About non believers?

[Natacha]

Hello

For those who are true believers of a faith

Which religion do you practice/believe in?

What does your Church, priest, minister (or what ever it's called where you are) say about non believers?

And do you believe them?

[ska8er]

Ur heading is a misnomer if u ask
for answers for believers. Anyway:

Im Catholic
I believe in a Supreme Being and
a hereafter. My priest preaches a
heaven and a hell but I don't believe
in fire and brimstone so I take that
along with some of the Bible with a
grain of salt as less seriously. No one
really knows if there is a hereafter but
I would rather b on the right side rather
than the wrong when the time comes.

[Natacha]

Ur heading is a misnomer if u ask
for answers for believers. Anyway:

Im Catholic
I believe in a Supreme Being and
a hereafter. My priest preaches a
heaven and a hell but I don't believe
in fire and brimstone so I take that
along with some of the Bible with a
grain of salt as less seriously. No one
really knows if there is a hereafter but
I would rather b on the right side rather
than the wrong when the time comes.

Whats a misnomer?
And your church don't preach anything about non believers?

[ska8er]

Whats a misnomer?
And your church don't preach anything about non believers?

Misnomer is wrong use of the term.
Of course the Catholic church teaches that
sinners or non believers will end up in damnation
and repentance will b the only salvation.

[Natacha]

Misnomer is wrong use of the term.
Of course the Catholic church teaches that
sinners or non believers will end up in damnation
and repentance will b the only salvation.

So they preach that non believers are the same as sinners and we will be punished. Okay. That was what I was looking for. Do you believe that?

[Pultost]

I'm a protestant. We don't make much of a deal about non-believers, just shrug and think "their loss". xD

[Natacha]

I'm a protestant. We don't make much of a deal about non-believers, just shrug and think "their loss". xD

Okay. Thank you

[ska8er]

So they preach that non believers are the same as sinners and we will be punished. Okay. That was what I was looking for. Do you believe that?

I believe that if one is not Christian that it
doesn't mean they r sinners or bad. I cant
say Im devout cause Im not but a lot of
things I take less seriously. Like I said
before I rather b on the right side rather
than the wrong. I don't know if there is a
heaven or hell but believe in a hereafter
whatever that is.

[Adamant]

Still finding my round this Christianity thing.
TBH I don't want to get into a real debate on this as I am not sure about how to express it or 100% what i think. Sorry if thats not what you want.
Not brought up in a church family or anything but i get a lot out of going to church.
They are nice and kind and not at all harsh when you meet them but some of their beliefs sound a bit like it. Unless you are a follower of Jesus you don't get to Heaven.
I think its a lot moire complicated than that in real life but thats how they would say it.

[Catt]

So they preach that non believers are the same as sinners and we will be punished. Okay. That was what I was looking for. Do you believe that?

In all forms of Christianity - the teaching is that the only perfect person without sin was Jesus, as he was of/was God and so could take everyone’s sins away and defeat death and allow for sins to be forgiven and all that
So to them Christian or not, everyone is a sinner.
It’s just in the Christian faith the believer can have their sins forgiven and be good with God
Repeatedly

[Natacha]

In all forms of Christianity - the teaching is that the only perfect person without sin was Jesus, as he was of/was God and so could take everyone’s sins away and defeat death and allow for sins to be forgiven and all that
So to them Christian or not, everyone is a sinner.
It’s just in the Christian faith the believer can have their sins forgiven and be good with God
Repeatedly

Also when we deny his existence?

[Catt]

Also when we deny his existence?

That’s just their perspective
That everyone is a sinner, Christians included

[Oscar-V3.0]

Also when we deny his existence?

Usually church says that only those who believe in God will be allowed in his kingdom

I, for one, dont think god is selfish and self centered to the point that he would reject every one else, for the one sole reason they didn't want to believe he exists

I believe that what you do on earth will determine whether you belong with him or not, even if you didn't believe in him

[Uniquemind]

Usually church says that only those who believe in God will be allowed in his kingdom

I, for one, dont think god is selfish and self centered to the point that he would reject every one else, for the one sole reason they didn't want to believe he exists

I believe that what you do on earth will determine whether you belong with him or not, even if you didn't believe in him
Natacha as well, this post is my “short” answer to you as well.



But that is a direct contradiction to what Christian scripture says actually.

The unforgivable sin that will send you to hell, IS rejection of Jesus Christ and his teachings.

The only reason why some Christians today, are walking away from that claim is because it’s unpalatable and politically incorrect to say. That apologist view is not supported by scripture.

And a lot of the Christian pastors, ministers, reverend, & Catholic father’s fail to teach what the angelic rebellion was about, or why Satan and unrepentant human beings end up sharing the same punishment of hell and later the eternal lake of fire. (Yeah they’re separate places).

They also fail to address their critics regarding the overt translation of Gehenna and Sheol, into hell when it got translated into modern King James and later modern NIV English.


Now the Jews, hold onto many verses i the OT, to justify the NT is a God given test of their loyalty to the OT covenant, citing specifically flaws in the trinity of the Godhead most Christians believe in. Baptists, like Jewish people, reject a Trinitarian God 3 in 1, but believe in Christ as a man prophet who God sent to forgive sin.


Many versions of Islam have similar views to Jewish faith actually, but go further to accept Mohammad as the seal of the prophets and harbinger of God’s return to save them. They also have a different system of how one repents for sins, and they have sharia law, and the Hadith. Their qualms with Jewish people mainly has to do with that, and inheritance rights over Holy landmarks or places because of The Who is Abraham’s real firstborn son issue, mentioned in OT.



So there’s a lot of disagreement with multiple fracture points in the history of the 3 Abrahamic beliefs, and that’s before you get politics over countries involved.

[LiberalTurboprop]

In all forms of Christianity - the teaching is that the only perfect person without sin was Jesus, as he was of/was God and so could take everyone’s sins away and defeat death and allow for sins to be forgiven and all that
So to them Christian or not, everyone is a sinner.
It’s just in the Christian faith the believer can have their sins forgiven and be good with God
Repeatedly

I know that there are a few sects of Christianity which believed that everyone before Jesus ended up in hell because they didn't have Jesus which is an...interesting take.

[NoLimitGuy]

Oh boy... I don't remember laughing so much in a long time. Do children and grown-ups really believe in all that? Haha... Thanks OP for some good read, this could be published as some anecdotes.

[Catt]

I know that there are a few sects of Christianity which believed that everyone before Jesus ended up in hell because they didn't have Jesus which is an...interesting take.

That’s really sad

[SouthernDude]

For those who are true believers of a faith

Which religion do you practice/believe in?

Christianity

What does your Church, priest, minister (or what ever it's called where you are) say about non believers?

Lost followers of the World who need the Word of God

And do you believe them?

Absolutely

I could go far into this debate, but I just want to keep this short

[Oscar-V3.0]

I know that there are a few sects of Christianity which believed that everyone before Jesus ended up in hell because they didn't have Jesus which is an...interesting take.

You bring up an interesting point...
Have people who lived before Jesus Christ gone to hell for not believing in him while they didn't even know he could exist?

[ska8er]

You bring up an interesting point...
Have people who lived before Jesus Christ gone to hell for not believing in him while they didn't even know he could exist?

Before the birth of Jesus Christ most Jews
believed in the teachings of God whether or
not they believed there was a heaven or hell.

[Stanley]

Ur heading is a misnomer if u ask
for answers for believers. Anyway:

Im Catholic
I believe in a Supreme Being and
a hereafter. My priest preaches a
heaven and a hell but I don't believe
in fire and brimstone so I take that
along with some of the Bible with a
grain of salt as less seriously. No one
really knows if there is a hereafter but
I would rather b on the right side rather
than the wrong when the time comes.


how do you know that you'll be on 'the right side' of the right religion? there are thousands of them! Furthermore, surely you need evidence to believe something?

[Oscar-V3.0]

Before the birth of Jesus Christ most Jews
believed in the teachings of God whether or
not they believed there was a heaven or hell.

Jews came about 2.000 years ago. And this was so occidental
How about ancient egyptians who were on Earth way before that? How about other civilizations? Indians, Mayas, Aztecs, Africans, Asia?

[Uniquemind]

A lot of those other cultures developed their spirituality around naturalistic events, specifically the seasons, and the Sun.

Christianity and Judaism really were a new concept focusing on 1 monotheistic God. In fact for Jewish people they believed in 1-God so strongly that they outright rejected the concept of Jesus being a savior.

There was a sense of order, and sacredness within their own people that really set the OT Jewish people apart from contemporaries for their time.






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The maya also had a lot of sacrifices (burning of a Virgin etc) so beware if you were a super attractive person, they might think you were a good offering.

Various tribes in Africa also differ from what I can tell too, some more into voodoo than others.

[LiberalTurboprop]

You bring up an interesting point...
Have people who lived before Jesus Christ gone to hell for not believing in him while they didn't even know he could exist?

From what I understand, a lot of it has to do with a rather harsh application of the ideas that everyone has original sin (inherited from Adam and Eve consuming the forbidden fruit in Eden) and that only faith and obedience in Jesus Christ can save you from sin. But like a lot of Christian doctrine the idea goes in and out of vogue with the times and with different sects.

To me it doesn't seem very fair but I'm not religious so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LiberalTurboprop]

Jews came about 2.000 years ago. And this was so occidental
How about ancient egyptians who were on Earth way before that? How about other civilizations? Indians, Mayas, Aztecs, Africans, Asia?

Judaism is a bit older than 2000 years

A lot of those other cultures developed their spirituality around naturalistic events, specifically the seasons, and the Sun.

Christianity and Judaism really were a new concept focusing on 1 monotheistic God. In fact for Jewish people they believed in 1-God so strongly that they outright rejected the concept of Jesus being a savior.

I think that's a little too broad, considering other monotheistic religions like Zoroastrianism and religions in other places of the world.

[Uniquemind]

Judaism is a bit older than 2000 years



I think that's a little too broad, considering other monotheistic religions like Zoroastrianism and religions in other places of the world.

It’s a little broad, and I was a bit disingenuous because I was aware of Zoroastrianism, but didn’t mention it because I fail to find deep research sources to explain what that is.


I’m also aware of the Enki and Enlil myths of Ancient Sumar, elements of some of these beliefs come up in “new age” doctrine which most modern day Christians deem as demonically influenced.

[ska8er]

how do you know that you'll be on 'the right side' of the right religion? there are thousands of them! Furthermore, surely you need evidence to believe something?

I don't know and no one else knows
and even those that don't believe in
something could b their religion to
not believe.

[RCT109]

I was raised Catholic and everything, sure we were taught that those who did not believe and accept Christ would not be granted eternal life and salvation.

However, after growing up Ive chosen to go more Norse-Pagan, finding comfort in the Norse Gods

With that said there is no 'non believers' so to speak. It is more of who is righteous and honorable to gain access to Valhalla, for the coming battle of Ragnarok.



I dare ask
what sparked your questions Natacha

[Natacha]

I was raised Catholic and everything, sure we were taught that those who did not believe and accept Christ would not be granted eternal life and salvation.

However, after growing up Ive chosen to go more Norse-Pagan, finding comfort in the Norse Gods

With that said there is no 'non believers' so to speak. It is more of who is righteous and honorable to gain access to Valhalla, for the coming battle of Ragnarok.

I dare ask
what sparked your questions Natacha

Just asking because I'm an atheist

[RCT109]

Just asking because I'm an atheist


cool

Lets turn the question around on you,

what are your feelings towards those of a faith?

[Oscar-V3.0]

Judaism is a bit older than 2000 years

I meant 2 000 bc so that would be about 4 000 years ago indeed lol. My bad

But my point was what about other civilizations, who were unaware of God's existence? Can you blame them and send them to hell for that?

[Oscar-V3.0]

From what I understand, a lot of it has to do with a rather harsh application of the ideas that everyone has original sin (inherited from Adam and Eve consuming the forbidden fruit in Eden) and that only faith and obedience in Jesus Christ can save you from sin. But like a lot of Christian doctrine the idea goes in and out of vogue with the times and with different sects.

To me it doesn't seem very fair but I'm not religious so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I dont think we should be accountable and blamed for what our ancestors did hundreds years ago. Makes no sense to me

[Kastanis]

Well im atheist,but my family are luterans, so i go to luteran church every time someone get married or ...(i dont know how it is in english when babies are wahed in holy water)
Luterans doesnt say anything about non believers, just that God love us all. Actually i like luterans, because their church isnt so much about donating money for church. Not like chatols (at least in europe)

[Snowfox]

Well im atheist,but my family are luterans, so i go to luteran church every time someone get married or ...(i dont know how it is in english when babies are wahed in holy water)
Luterans doesnt say anything about non believers, just that God love us all. Actually i like luterans, because their church isnt so much about donating money for church. Not like chatols (at least in europe)

Main stream lutheran church sounds like. Actually teachings say lots of nonbelievers but it is secular church mostly today. Anyway some nondenominational sects of Lutheran church do exist who are true to Bible

[nikkimelan]

If God can do anything let him say "Hi". But he never does.