Mississippi passed a "right to discriminate" law

[Troy35216]

just like the one in Arizona that was in the news a while ago. the Mississippi Religious Freedom act. it's an amendment to a law about the state seal! they couldn't get it on the floor by itself so they had to tack it on to a bill about requiring the state seal on official stationary.

So if the governor signs it, which they say he will, restaurants, taxi cabs, movie theaters, and so on can refuse to serve gay people or interracial couples or single moms or Jews or atheists or muslims etc. cuz it's against their religion.

do you think the courts will strike it down? do you think it will damage the state economically the way arizona was being threatened with canceled conventions and stuff like that?

[Melodic]

The White Padded Room ---> Ramblings of the Wise

[Gamma Male]

I don't really think small, unincorperated businesses should be forced to serve anyone they don't want to, but you shouldn't need a religious reason. And for big corporations and multi-million dollar chains anti-discrimination laws should still apply. We give waaaayy too much respect to religion in this county. Having religious beliefs does not entitle you to act above the law.

[PinkFloyd]

I am honestly speechless. I was sure that the Arizona bill wouldn't get passed but Mississippi? They will probably end up passing it.

Oh, another thing, it loos as though the Jewish, homosexuals, and muslims are going to be discriminated against. Gee, this resembles a certain thing that happened in World War II where 11 million people died....

[EddietheZombie]

It would be just as offending as this. Can't they just go to another store? Just get the fuck over it and go 2 miles away to get whatever you need. I hate when people cry and get easily offended.

http://picpaste.com/kkk-KmLPw1tS.png

[phuckphace]

Oh, another thing, it loos as though the Jewish, homosexuals, and muslims are going to be discriminated against. Gee, this resembles a certain thing that happened in World War II where 11 million people died....

are you really equating benign disenfranchisement with mass murder? doesn't sound very honest to me.

[Troy35216]

I don't really think small, unincorperated businesses should be forced to serve anyone they don't want to, but you shouldn't need a religious reason. And for big corporations and multi-million dollar chains anti-discrimination laws should still apply. We give waaaayy too much respect to religion in this county. Having religious beliefs does not entitle you to act above the law.

so it's okay for a small business to refuse to serve black people if they don't want to? or white people? or blonds? or republicans?

The White Padded Room ---> Ramblings of the Wise

gah. one day i will post in the right room! I didn't put this in Ramblings of the Wise cuz even tho I ramble I'm as un-wise as you can get. :P

It would be just as offending as this. Can't they just go to another store? Just get the fuck over it and go 2 miles away to get whatever you need. I hate when people cry and get easily offended.

http://picpaste.com/kkk-KmLPw1tS.png but what if the "other" store 2 miles away also refuses to serve you? this is mississippi. it has a reputation for racist and anti-gay stuff. if you can buy a big mac at the locally owned mcdonalds why shouldn't I be able to buy one too? Can a gas station owned by a muslim refuse to sell gas to christians? can the clerk at the power company refuse to turn your lights on? not like you can go 2 miles down the road to another power company


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[Gamma Male]

so it's okay for a small business to refuse to serve black people if they don't want to? or white people? or blonds? or republicans?

Yes. If YOU own a business, you should be able to refuse service to whomever you want. It's your business. I don't think the same should be true for larger businesses because ownership isn't as simple.

[EddietheZombie]

Yes exactly^^^

[Miserabilia]

It would be just as offending as this. Can't they just go to another store? Just get the fuck over it and go 2 miles away to get whatever you need. I hate when people cry and get easily offended.

http://picpaste.com/kkk-KmLPw1tS.png

This is completely ridiculous.
If you give stores the right to not serve people because of the store owners beleifs, you are allowing discrimination.
If you are a homosexual in a state where it's completely against everyone's beleifs, what are you supposed to do? Just move away? Because nobody will do services for you, so you just need to leave the state?
Let's say there may still be a few stores that do let you in; are all homosexuals then forced to go to the same shops?

[EddietheZombie]

This is completely ridiculous.
If you give stores the right to not serve people because of the store owners beleifs, you are allowing discrimination.
If you are a homosexual in a state where it's completely against everyone's beleifs, what are you supposed to do? Just move away? Because nobody will do services for you, so you just need to leave the state?
Let's say there may still be a few stores that do let you in; are all homosexuals then forced to go to the same shops?

Well what about the picture I posted? It's the same thing. What about Christians and whites getting discriminated against? It's their business and they should do what they want. And what about the boycott of a Christian Mom and Pop businesses because they won't service them? Isn't your "Right to gather peacefully" just as important? What if they made it illegal to boycott because of your belief?

[Typhlosion]

Yes. If YOU own a business, you should be able to refuse service to whomever you want. It's your business. I don't think the same should be true for larger businesses because ownership isn't as simple. Precisely.

[Gamma Male]

This is completely ridiculous.
If you give stores the right to not serve people because of the store owners beleifs, you are allowing discrimination.
If you are a homosexual in a state where it's completely against everyone's beleifs, what are you supposed to do? Just move away? Because nobody will do services for you, so you just need to leave the state?
Let's say there may still be a few stores that do let you in; are all homosexuals then forced to go to the same shops?

I seriously doubt that there's going to be a shortage of businesses willing to serve gays, even in rural bible belt states. Very few big corporations like Walmart and McDonalds will discriminate because all they care about is profit, and most smaller privately owned businesses simply won't care about your sexuality. As for the few that are going to discriminate, fuck them. I wouldn't wanna give those assholes my money anyway.
But I really don't think there is going to be a shortage of non-discriminatory businesses.

[Vlerchan]

I'm confused as to why someone would want to hand-over their hard-earned cash to an individual who given the chance would actively discriminate against them in the first place. It seems like a rather unusual reaction to me.

[Miserabilia]

Well what about the picture I posted? It's the same thing. What about Christians and whites getting discriminated against? It's their business and they should do what they want. And what about the boycott of a Christian Mom and Pop businesses because they won't service them? Isn't your "Right to gather peacefully" just as important? What if they made it illegal to boycott because of your belief?

I don't understand you, what do you mean?
THe picture was about KKK, no?


I seriously doubt that there's going to be a shortage of businesses willing to serve gays, even in rural bible belt states. Very few big corporations like Walmart and McDonalds will discriminate because all they care about is profit, and most smaller privately owned businesses simply won't care about your sexuality. As for the few that are going to discriminate, fuck them. I wouldn't wanna give those assholes my money anyway.
But I really don't think there is going to be a shortage of non-discriminatory businesses.

There probably won't be; but it's the fact that they make it possible that frightens me, know what I mean?
It's the legalisation of it that doesn't feel right, even if only few stores will use it.

[phuckphace]

I'm confused as to why someone would want to hand-over their hard-earned cash to an individual who given the chance would actively discriminate against them in the first place. It seems like a rather unusual reaction to me.

agreed. if you're gay and a business run by UGH XTIANS like Chic-fil-A doesn't want to take your money, take it to someplace that does.

[ksdnfkfr]

I think it's wonderful to see this level of barbaric stupidity in the 21st century. Gives me so much hope for the future. This thing will just cause a huge shit storm and anyone involved in it is going to make themselves look horrible. What scares me about this is, it's this level of complete stupidity that runs government.

[phuckphace]

barbaric

that's some potent hyperbole there m8

[Miserabilia]

I think it's wonderful to see this level of barbaric stupidity in the 21st century. Gives me so much hope for the future. This thing will just cause a huge shit storm and anyone involved in it is going to make themselves look horrible. What scares me about this is, it's this level of complete stupidity that runs government.

that's some potent hyperbole there m8

I love both these posts

[Troy35216]

What if they made it illegal to boycott because of your belief?
How are you going to make it illegal NOT to shop somewhere? Do you really think someone will be able to pass a law saying "You MUST shop at Ace Hardware are you will be thrown in jail"? get real.

Very few big corporations like Walmart and McDonalds will discriminate because all they care about is profit, and most smaller privately owned businesses simply won't care about your sexuality.
but with this new law it doesn't make any difference what the "corporations" policy is. any individual who WORKS at walmart or mcdonalds can refuse to serve someone and cannot be punished for it. can't be fired, can't be fined. so if only right wing christians are working the cash registers you're screwed. what about landlords? people can be kicked out of places they ALREADY are living in if the landlord has religious problems with them. it's one thing to say "i won't shop at Chik-Fil-A" cuz there are other places to eat. But what if the person at the power company refused to turn on your lights when you moved to a new place? it's not like you can go to another power compnay.

[yviedarling]

I agree with the small business freedom. If I owned my own business (which I plan to one day) and I saw people with anti-gay or rape apology shirts on, I would totally refuse to do anything for them. Why? Because to me, my morals are more important than money, business is not everything, and I would not want to be associated with serving those types of people. If there are really that many people that would refuse to serve a gay couple in that town, then I would probably move if I were them because you never know who would turn violent.

[Troy35216]

you're missing the point...it's not just gays. ANYONE can be refused service for religious reasons.

[phuckphace]

I agree with the small business freedom. If I owned my own business (which I plan to one day) and I saw people with anti-gay or rape apology shirts on, I would totally refuse to do anything for them. Why? Because to me, my morals are more important than money, business is not everything, and I would not want to be associated with serving those types of people. If there are really that many people that would refuse to serve a gay couple in that town, then I would probably move if I were them because you never know who would turn violent.

the fuck is a "rape apology" shirt? sounds like some made-up microagression that only exists in the minds of people who spend too much time on Tumblr

[Luminous]

While it's true that I wouldn't want to go to a store that discriminates, sometimes there are no other options. If they are respectful about their beliefs and keep it to themselves and don't spit in my face for being gay, I don't care, and I will respect that. Though I don't exactly understand why people discriminate, if people keep their beliefs and dislikes respectful, that's fine. That is why I think this law should not be passed. Besides, if they're getting customers, who cares who they are?

[Miserabilia]

the fuck is a "rape apology" shirt? sounds like some made-up microagression that only exists in the minds of people who spend too much time on Tumblr

That entire response sounds like a microaggression :P
(just kiddin)

I agree with the small business freedom. If I owned my own business (which I plan to one day) and I saw people with anti-gay or rape apology shirts on, I would totally refuse to do anything for them. Why? Because to me, my morals are more important than money, business is not everything, and I would not want to be associated with serving those types of people. If there are really that many people that would refuse to serve a gay couple in that town, then I would probably move if I were them because you never know who would turn violent.

You would be doing that for their ideas though; not for who they are.
I mean, what's the difference between not letting homosexuals enter your store and not let black people enter your store?

[yviedarling]

the fuck is a "rape apology" shirt? sounds like some made-up microagression that only exists in the minds of people who spend too much time on Tumblr

shirts that encourage rape, mostly covered up by the people making it by saying it's for comedy (http://www.missrepresentation.org/media/nbi/amazon-uk-selling-keep-calm-and-rape-a-lot-t-shirts/) the link is just one instance that i've seen, but it does happen and people have bought them before.

That entire response sounds like a microaggression :P
(just kiddin)



You would be doing that for their ideas though; not for who they are.
I mean, what's the difference between not letting homosexuals enter your store and not let black people enter your store?

One is religious, the other is just for the pigmentation of their skin, as far as I understand the anti-gay's viewpoint. And people's ideas are what make them who they are, I'm not friends with people who openly hate on gays, so why would I serve one? I'm not saying that if someone walks in the store I'll ask them their opinion and tell them to leave if they disagree with me, I'm saying if someone comes into my store and openly bashes my beliefs, then I will refuse them service. No signs out front (at least not for me), no hostility, just refusal of service based on my personal opinions. Again, for privately-owned, local businesses only. When you go to a small business (or at least when I do) there's a certain personal touch that the owners put into it. Forcing them to serve all despite their beliefs, takes away some of said touch. However, once a business goes corporate, I think the experience for buyers should be more professional, so they shouldn't be able to turn anyone down.

[Miserabilia]

shirts that encourage rape, mostly covered up by the people making it by saying it's for comedy (http://www.missrepresentation.org/media/nbi/amazon-uk-selling-keep-calm-and-rape-a-lot-t-shirts/) the link is just one instance that i've seen, but it does happen and people have bought them before.



One is religious, the other is just for the pigmentation of their skin, as far as I understand the anti-gay's viewpoint. And people's ideas are what make them who they are, I'm not friends with people who openly hate on gays, so why would I serve one? I'm not saying that if someone walks in the store I'll ask them their opinion and tell them to leave if they disagree with me, I'm saying if someone comes into my store and openly bashes my beliefs, then I will refuse them service. No signs out front (at least not for me), no hostility, just refusal of service based on my personal opinions. Again, for privately-owned, local businesses only. When you go to a small business (or at least when I do) there's a certain personal touch that the owners put into it. Forcing them to serve all despite their beliefs, takes away some of said touch. However, once a business goes corporate, I think the experience for buyers should be more professional, so they shouldn't be able to turn anyone down.

I understand and completely aggree,
and I encourage this:

- Denying service to those whose ideas you do not accept

I do not encourage this:

- Denying service to those who can't help being any way.

(For example skin colour and sexuality)

[yviedarling]

I understand and completely aggree,
and I encourage this:

- Denying service to those whose ideas you do not accept

I do not encourage this:

- Denying service to those who can't help being any way.

(For example skin colour and sexuality)


Yeah, I get that. I see where you're coming from, and I agree, I guess it is unfair to treat something they can't help as a problem with your beliefs, I was wrong for that.

[Vlerchan]

What about Christians and whites getting discriminated against?
"The law, in its majestic equality, [also] forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France

Do you really think someone will be able to pass a law saying "You MUST shop at Ace Hardware are you will be thrown in jail"? get real.
In 1950s Alabama there was a law against organised boycotts and the MIA were fined for breaking it - and MLK almost imprisoned. (Source) (http://blogs.kentlaw.iit.edu/library/exhibits/montgomery-1955/timeline-of-the-boycott/). I've no idea if the law is still in place but the situation you outlined is not an impossibility.

[Hyper]

I want to see this get thrown to the supreme court in the US.

The amount of entertainment to follow would be amazing.

Peronally:

A business owner should have the right to deny service to anyone for any reason. That's what freedom is.

Making it illegal to say something or do something because a person is gay/black/asian/latino/jewish/a green alien from Mars does not fix the root of the issue.

Attitudes in society need to change and acceptance needs to actually happen then you can give people freedom to be assholes and everyone will have the freedom not to visit an assholes business as well.

[EddietheZombie]

I don't understand you, what do you mean?
THe picture was about KKK, no?
Yes, would it not be the same and just as offensive? A Christian won't make a cake for a gay couple, and the Christian is seen as the bad person, but if a man and wife dressed in KKK uniform try to get a cake from black bakery owner then the husband and wife are bad? How does that work?
How are you going to make it illegal NOT to shop somewhere? Do you really think someone will be able to pass a law saying "You MUST shop at Ace Hardware are you will be thrown in jail"? get real.
I meant what if they make a law that keeps your from posting on facebook, making posters, picketing outside, ect. to boycott?


And, probably news to the lot of you, I'm Christian and American Indian. I would get just as much discrimination as anyone else, so suck it up and join the fucking club.

[Miserabilia]

Yes, would it not be the same and just as offensive? A Christian won't make a cake for a gay couple, and the Christian is seen as the bad person, but if a man and wife dressed in KKK uniform try to get a cake from black bakery owner then the husband and wife are bad? How does that work?

I meant what if they make a law that keeps your from posting on facebook, making posters, picketing outside, ect. to boycott?


And, probably news to the lot of you, I'm Christian and American Indian. I would get just as much discrimination as anyone else, so suck it up and join the fucking club.

Yes, would it not be the same and just as offensive? A Christian won't make a cake for a gay couple, and the Christian is seen as the bad person, but if a man and wife dressed in KKK uniform try to get a cake from black bakery owner then the husband and wife are bad? How does that work?

I'll tell you how it works;

- gay people don't choose to be gay

- KKK people choose to be extremely racist

It's perfectly fine to not allow someone to buy from you because they have hateful or discriminatory ideas to you,
it's NOT fine to not allow someone to buy from you because they are gay;

what's next, allowing the same for different ethnicities?
Not allowing people in because they are black?
There's a very very thin line between discrimination for "personal beleifs" and pure discrimination and racism.

[EddietheZombie]

I'll tell you how it works;

- gay people don't choose to be gay

- KKK people choose to be extremely racist

It's perfectly fine to not allow someone to buy from you because they have hateful or discriminatory ideas to you,
it's NOT fine to not allow someone to buy from you because they are gay;

what's next, allowing the same for different ethnicities?
Not allowing people in because they are black?
There's a very very thin line between discrimination for "personal beleifs" and pure discrimination and racism.

And how do you know that some gays choose it or not? I've seen some do it for attention. Like I said, I would get just as much discrimination, so everyone should just suck it up and join the club. What if I choose to discriminate against people who live off of welfare for 8 years? They are taking my hard earned money without batting an eye. They choose not to work and live off of us and the gov.

[Miserabilia]

And how do you know that some gays choose it or not? I've seen some do it for attention. Like I said, I would get just as much discrimination, so everyone should just suck it up and join the club. What if I choose to discriminate against people who live off of welfare for 8 years? They are taking my hard earned money without batting an eye. They choose not to work and live off of us and the gov.

Being gay IS NOT a choise, get over it like the rest of the world.
You should NOT discriminate against people for something they DID NOT choose to do, this is the 21'st century, get over it, I think it's about time we don't get personally offended by other people for EXISTING.

[EddietheZombie]

Being gay IS NOT a choise, get over it like the rest of the world.
You should NOT discriminate against people for something they DID NOT choose to do, this is the 21'st century, get over it, I think it's about time we don't get personally offended by other people for EXISTING.

I laugh at this. I've personally talked to people (who I no longer associate with) that admitted that they were "gay" to get their parents attention. So it's not all "We didn't choose this" bullshit. I've also seen people do it just to get attention in public. Ever see to gays hugging on each other and kissing dressed in leather assless chaps and leather vests....... At a preschool day, at the public zoo..... They didn't even have a kid there...... If you say I should get over THAT then you should as easily get over not being able to shop at a Christian store.

[Miserabilia]

I laugh at this. I've personally talked to people (who I no longer associate with) that admitted that they were "gay" to get their parents attention. So it's not all "We didn't choose this" bullshit. I've also seen people do it just to get attention in public. Ever see to gays hugging on each other and kissing dressed in leather assless chaps and leather vests....... At a preschool day, at the public zoo..... They didn't even have a kid there...... If you say I should get over THAT then you should as easily get over not being able to shop at a Christian store.

Right, because just because you are appearently personally in contact with people that admit to be gay "for attention", being gay is a choise?
How does that even justify allowing store owners to not allow gay people to enter their store?

[Cygnus]

I laugh at this. I've personally talked to people (who I no longer associate with) that admitted that they were "gay" to get their parents attention. So it's not all "We didn't choose this" bullshit. I've also seen people do it just to get attention in public. Ever see to gays hugging on each other and kissing dressed in leather assless chaps and leather vests....... At a preschool day, at the public zoo..... They didn't even have a kid there...... If you say I should get over THAT then you should as easily get over not being able to shop at a Christian store.

Right, because just because you are appearently personally in contact with people that admit to be gay "for attention", being gay is a choise?
How does that even justify allowing store owners to not allow gay people to enter their store?

You two are creating a "sub-debate" here and derailing the thread, so I'll ask you to please get back on topic.

[Stronk Serb]

If someone declined service because of my beliefs/sexuality/ethnicity means he doesn't deserve my money. I will go someplace else.

[Dalcourt]

If someone declined service because of my beliefs/sexuality/ethnicity means he doesn't deserve my money. I will go someplace else.

If there's still a place left you can go to.

I think that the whole thing is kinda dangerous. I mean Mississippi is, well Mississippi, I lived there once for a bit and would never go back to rural Mississippi but it's a dangerous sign about how prejudiced people are. Law's like that are always made for the wrong reasons. It's not people who want to get rid off a big white guy with a anti gay shirt on who want this law, it's Whites who want to keep Gays, Blacks or Muslims or whoever else they dislike away. There were times when different groups of people had to sit on different places on the bus weren't allowed at restaurants and stores and so on and. It's people who want to go back to these times who want this laws, not decent people.

So there's no need for laws like that, we have to learn to accept each other no matter what we are and what we believe in, there's simply no other solution to end hate and discrimination.

[Miserabilia]

If there's still a place left you can go to.

I think that the whole thing is kinda dangerous. I mean Mississippi is, well Mississippi, I lived there once for a bit and would never go back to rural Mississippi but it's a dangerous sign about how prejudiced people are. Law's like that are always made for the wrong reasons. It's not people who want to get rid off a big white guy with a anti gay shirt on who want this law, it's Whites who want to keep Gays, Blacks or Muslims or whoever else they dislike away. There were times when different groups of people had to sit on different places on the bus weren't allowed at restaurants and stores and so on and. It's people who want to go back to these times who want this laws, not decent people.

So there's no need for laws like that, we have to learn to accept each other no matter what we are and what we believe in, there's simply no other solution to end hate and discrimination.

I aggree.

[Lovelife090994]

I do not see this as going well for Mississippi. I have family in Mississippi and they are not the same as most would expect. My family is blind to one's color and beliefs but we do notice character. No one should discriminate, but no one should be forced to serve either. To me all businesses have a right to serve who they please. There are some places that I don't go because the area is not friendly to people like me and I know to not be where I am not wanted. I can see how this law is bad but it helps some religious groups who have a long standing of not wanting to serve one another.

[Harry Smith]

No one should discriminate, but no one should be forced to serve either. .

What's the difference between the two? If you refuse to serve someone that's discrimination

[Lovelife090994]

What's the difference between the two? If you refuse to serve someone that's discrimination

Yeah but I can't force someone to serve me. If someone refuses me then I shall leave or protest if necessary.

[Miserabilia]

Yeah but I can't force someone to serve me. If someone refuses me then I shall leave or protest if necessary.

If someone only serves to white people than they are discriminating against black people.

[Lovelife090994]

If someone only serves to white people than they are discriminating against black people.

Is this a bill to do with race? No. This may be related to that Christian baker put out of business for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The lady refused politely but her religious rights were seen as null and void. Why force someone to break their beliefs or comfort zone?

[Miserabilia]

Is this a bill to do with race? No. This may be related to that Christian baker put out of business for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The lady refused politely but her religious rights were seen as null and void. Why force someone to break their beliefs or comfort zone?

Sexuality and race should be treated equally.

[Harry Smith]

Is this a bill to do with race? No. This may be related to that Christian baker put out of business for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The lady refused politely but her religious rights were seen as null and void. Why force someone to break their beliefs or comfort zone?

You can't pick your race in the same way you can't pick your sexuality despite what the religious right say.

Religion is pretty much in place to deny rights to certain groups such as gays, women and ethnic minorities.

Why force someone to break their beliefs or comfort zone?

This argument could be used to support slavery, do you know that? You make someone break their beliefs if they go against the rules and laws of the land

[Lovelife090994]

Sexuality and race should be treated equally.

My race is not my lifestyle. Sexuality is something that transcends race. Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, any sexuality is not a race nor is any race more or less sexual than another. If you want equal treatment then live as most do, not on your sexuality. If you hate discrimination as I do, stamp it out.

But the law was to allow businesses to serve or to not serve who they see fit. Discrimination Indiscriminately since it is not against one set person. This law helps Muslims too since many have an issue with serving Christians. Businesses can serve who they see fit. Same principle to refusing service to those dressed inappropriately, it violates that business' principles.
Do I like the law? No. But I hate seeing religious businesses get hit with charges for sticking to their beliefs no matter what they are. We have a Constitution for this too. Do I like all of it? Again, no I don't like all of it.

[Lovelife090994]

You can't pick your race in the same way you can't pick your sexuality despite what the religious right say.

Religion is pretty much in place to deny rights to certain groups such as gays, women and ethnic minorities.



This argument could be used to support slavery, do you know that? You make someone break their beliefs if they go against the rules and laws of the land

Your antitheism and hate are showing. Did I say I support slavery? No, my family was in it, that is terrible. Is all religion hate? No. Is religion a race? No. Is sexuality a race? No. Is my race a sexuality? No. My life unlike yours is not governed by my sexuality.

[Miserabilia]

My race is not my lifestyle. Sexuality is something that transcends race. Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, any sexuality is not a race nor is any race more or less sexual than another. If you want equal treatment then live as most do, not on your sexuality. If you hate discrimination as I do, stamp it out.

But the law was to allow businesses to serve or to not serve who they see fit. Discrimination Indiscriminately since it is not against one set person. This law helps Muslims too since many have an issue with serving Christians. Businesses can serve who they see fit.
Do I like the law? No. But I hate seeing religious businesses get hit with charges for sticking to their beliefs no matter what they are. We have a Constitution for this too. Do I like all of it? Again, no I don't like all of it.
My race is not my lifestyle. Sexuality is something that transcends race. Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, any sexuality is not a race nor is any race more or less sexual than another. If you want equal treatment then live as most do, not on your sexuality. If you hate discrimination as I do, stamp it out.
Homosexuality is not a choise, just like race is not a choise.
Lots of people are gay and you can't even tell, it's not like they are shoving it in your face.

But the law was to allow businesses to serve or to not serve who they see fit.
Right, it allows them to discriminate against certain customers.
Discrimination.

since it is not against one set person.
Discrimination doesn't have to be against a single person.
If a store owner won't let in any homosexuals, he's discriminating against them. By definition of the word discriminate.

Same principle to refusing service to those dressed inappropriately, it violates that business' principles.
Dress= a choise.

[Harry Smith]

Your antitheism and hate are showing. Did I say I support slavery? No, my family was in it, that is terrible. Is all religion hate? No. Is religion a race? No. Is sexuality a race? No. Is my race a sexuality? No. My life unlike yours is not governed by my sexuality.

My hate? Please quote something that I said that can be defined as hateful. I'd say your last line is pretty hateful, us gays do have feelings you know

[Lovelife090994]

Homosexuality is not a choise, just like race is not a choise.
Lots of people are gay and you can't even tell, it's not like they are shoving it in your face.


Right, it allows them to discriminate against certain customers.
Discrimination.


Discrimination doesn't have to be against a single person.
If a store owner won't let in any homosexuals, he's discriminating against them. By definition of the word discriminate.


Dress= a choise.

We reserve the right to refuse service to ... and ... Only a hospital or other service cannot do this.

[Lovelife090994]

My hate? Please quote something that I said that can be defined as hateful. I'd say your last line is pretty hateful, us gays do have feelings you know

Gays have feelings but you lack tact and compassion. You like playing coy. You said religion is used to hate. No, religion is understanding, hope, and or an outlet.

[Miserabilia]

We reserve the right to refuse service to ... and ... Only a hospital or other service cannot do this.

Gays have feelings but you lack tact and compassion. You like playing coy. You said religion is used to hate. No, religion is understanding, hope, and or an outlet.

Your antitheism and hate are showing. Did I say I support slavery? No, my family was in it, that is terrible. Is all religion hate? No. Is religion a race? No. Is sexuality a race? No. Is my race a sexuality? No. My life unlike yours is not governed by my sexuality.

My life unlike yours is not governed by my sexuality.

First of all, that's really insulting,
secondly,
your life IS governed by your heterosexuality as well as your religion.

We reserve the right to refuse service to ... and ... Only a hospital or other service cannot do this.
So?
What's your point?

No, religion is understanding, hope, and or an outlet.

Yeah, I'm really getting a good look of all that understanding here. [/sarcasm]

Did I say I support slavery?

Did he say you support slavery?
No, he said that argument CAN be USED for it, which is true.

[Harry Smith]

Gays have feelings but you lack tact and compassion. You like playing coy. You said religion is used to hate. No, religion is understanding, hope, and or an outlet.

Can you please quote where I said something hateful in my 2nd last post-that was what you claimed.

Your hate is showing.

[Lovelife090994]

Can you please quote where I said something hateful in my 2nd last post-that was what you claimed.

I can't copy and paste on my browser. I would if I could. Can't you reread? And can you please read my first post in the thread before you replied? I said my opinions. I don't like the law but no business in America is forced to serve all.

[Lovelife090994]

First of all, that's really insulting,
secondly,
your life IS governed by your heterosexuality as well as your religion.


So?
What's your point?



Yeah, I'm really getting a good look of all that understanding here. [/sarcasm]



Did he say you support slavery?
No, he said that argument CAN be USED for it, which is true.

Prepare to be shocked, I am not as religious as I seem. I do not go to church, my ideals are from the Bible and my mother's teachings. Sexually I am very null, neutral, and at times what I feel changes on a day. You can't be mad at me for standing by my beliefs.

I treat all people equally. I do not like the law you know. I wish you quit ganging up on me for saying what was on my mind.

[Miserabilia]

Prepare to be shocked, I am not as religious as I seem. I do not go to church, my ideals are from the Bible and my mother's teachings. Sexually I am very null, neutral, and at times what I feel changes on a day. You can't be mad at me for standing by my beliefs.

I treat all people equally. I do not like the law you know. I wish you quit ganging up on me for saying what was on my mind.

If you go to a debate thread and state your opinion, be prepared to debate it.

I can't copy and paste on my browser. I would if I could. Can't you reread? And can you please read my first post in the thread before you replied? I said my opinions. I don't like the law but no business in America is forced to serve all.

Here's what he said:

"You can't pick your race in the same way you can't pick your sexuality despite what the religious right say.

Religion is pretty much in place to deny rights to certain groups such as gays, women and ethnic minorities.

Why force someone to break their beliefs or comfort zone?
This argument could be used to support slavery, do you know that? You make someone break their beliefs if they go against the rules and laws of the land"


Where is the hate you were describing?
Not being able to copy and paste is no reason not to point it out

[Lonely teen]

The world never changes ._.

[Lovelife090994]

If you go to a debate thread and state your opinion, be prepared to debate it.



Here's what he said:

"You can't pick your race in the same way you can't pick your sexuality despite what the religious right say.

Religion is pretty much in place to deny rights to certain groups such as gays, women and ethnic minorities.

Why force someone to break their beliefs or comfort zone?
This argument could be used to support slavery, do you know that? You make someone break their beliefs if they go against the rules and laws of the land"


Where is the hate you were describing?
Not being able to copy and paste is no reason not to point it out

I just pointed out his hate. You say religion is only for hate, it is not. If anything, you hate me because I disagree with homosexuality.

[Harry Smith]

I just pointed out his hate. You say religion is only for hate, it is not. If anything, you hate me because I disagree with homosexuality.

Sigh thanks Cheese for going into more depth because I too am struggling to find where I've been hateful towards you/religion.

Can you please quote where I've been hateful?

[Miserabilia]

I just pointed out his hate. You say religion is only for hate, it is not. If anything, you hate me because I disagree with homosexuality.

ou say religion is only for hate, it is not.

You say religion is only for hate

No, I don't. I do not say religion is only for hate, I have never said that, I have never implied it.

you hate me because I disagree with homosexuality.

you hate me

No, I don't. I do not hate you, nor have I ever said I do.

I disagree with homosexuality.

You can't disaggree with something that is not a choise or beleif.

[Lovelife090994]

Sigh thanks Cheese for going into more depth because I too am struggling to find where I've been hateful towards you/religion.

Can you please quote where I've been hateful?

You saying religion is for hate is hateful. Look, I don't know if your ways are sinful or not but I know you hate me so I must avoid you. Bye.

[Miserabilia]

You saying religion is for hate is hateful. Look, I don't know if your ways are sinful or not but I know you hate me so I must avoid you. Bye.

Well, actualy, he NEVER said religion is for hate, like, it's just not there.
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but this is the reason you are supposed to quote stuff like this.

but I know you hate me

Why do you think he hates you? :confused:

[Lovelife090994]

Well, actualy, he NEVER said religion is for hate, like, it's just not there.
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but this is the reason you are supposed to quote stuff like this.



Why do you think he hates you? :confused:

I know he must hate me. Every time I try to say what I think is true, debate happens! Plus I can't accept everything homosexual, like with many heterosexual acts they either unnerve or scare me and I can't change that. Call me homophobic, in my area I'm used to it. Just the sad confused Christian with no friends or future. This is the truth, I'm messed up.

[Miserabilia]

I know he must hate me. Every time I try to say what I think is true, debate happens! Plus I can't accept everything homosexual, like with many heterosexual acts they either unnerve or scare me and I can't change that. Call me homophobic, in my area I'm used to it. Just the sad confused Christian with no friends or future. This is the truth, I'm messed up.

Every time I try to say what I think is true, debate happens!

- This is a debate thread
- In a debate subforum
- You say what you think is true
- People debate over it


Plus I can't accept everything homosexual, like with many heterosexual acts they either unnerve or scare me and I can't change that. Call me homophobic, in my area I'm used to it. Just the sad confused Christian with no friends or future. This is the truth, I'm messed up.

):
Well atleast think that if you are afraid of it, that doesn't mean homosexuals should be denied anything.

[Lovelife090994]

- This is a debate thread
- In a debate subforum
- You say what you think is true
- People debate over it




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Well atleast think that if you are afraid of it, that doesn't mean homosexuals should be denied anything.

This is General Discussion, I denied people nothing.

[Miserabilia]

This is General Discussion, I denied people nothing.

No I mean,
they shouldn't be denied service just for being homosexual.

[Lovelife090994]

No I mean,
they shouldn't be denied service just for being homosexual.

That's the thing, I never said they should be. I want them to be served. I just want people not to erupt in a right and blame the churches that said nothing on this.

[Miserabilia]

That's the thing, I never said they should be. I want them to be served. I just want people not to erupt in a right and blame the churches that said nothing on this.

To me all businesses have a right to serve who they please. There are some places that I don't go because the area is not friendly to people like me and I know to not be where I am not wanted. I can see how this law is bad but it helps some religious groups who have a long standing of not wanting to serve one another.

If busineses can choose who not to serve, they can discriminate against homosexuals, no?

[Lovelife090994]

If busineses can choose who not to serve, they can discriminate against homosexuals, no?

Guess not, but businesses have a right to refuse services and business to whom they see fit.

[Miserabilia]

Guess not, but businesses have a right to refuse services and business to whom they see fit.

"Specifically, the bill protects all individuals, businesses and religious institutions from discrimination lawsuits if they can show that their discriminatory actions were motivated by religious convictions.

Under the guise of religious freedom, however, the bill would enable businesses potentially to discriminate against virtually anyone -- not just Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, agnostics and atheists, but also unwed mothers, Rastafarians and Budweiser T-shirt wearers. This bill is arbitrary, capricious and antithetical to the spirit of brotherhood and sisterhood that inform our documents of freedom.

It will lead to marginalization and oppression by allowing bigots to deny gay people access to virtually any business or service." (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/22/opinion/whitaker-arizona-law/)

[Landbuscus97]

I think it's wonderful to see this level of barbaric stupidity in the 21st century. Gives me so much hope for the future. This thing will just cause a huge shit storm and anyone involved in it is going to make themselves look horrible. What scares me about this is, it's this level of complete stupidity that runs government.

I agree, having lived in Mississippi, our generation there isn't too promising, I was messed with a TON because of my sexuality. It could have been the area or age range, but the kids there weren't very accepting :/