Game of Thrones Season 8 episode 2

[Karalectric]

Let's talk about it. :)

So yea, another episode that was light on action. :yawn: but heavy on that feeling of doom. Like everyone is gonna die. :eek: also Tormund's story. WTF!!!!! Lots of great character moments. Brienne's was my favorite. :heart: and i was reading that when Maisie Williams read the script she thought her :wub: scene was a prank from the writers hahaaa nope.

[InternetTeen]

They showed Ghost so I'm happy. Jon revealing his heritage to Dany was a good scene.

[Karalectric]

They showed Ghost so I'm happy.

I did think of you when he made an appearance, I.T. :yes:

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

So yea, another episode that was light on action. :yawn: but heavy on that feeling of doom. i was reading that when Maisie Williams read the script she thought her :wub: scene was a prank from the writers hahaaa nope.

Well, that's usual for the show to be slowly building up before action scenes. At least this season there's only 6 episodes because it was even slower in seasons before, but we know it's coming in episode 3 and I'm reading about that right now haha.

[LiberalTurboprop]

Fun episode - a lot better than Episode 1. Glad Arya got some - Maisie is so pretty. Brienne getting knighted was the best part of the episode. Also Sansa and Theon. Grey Worm is so dead though and I doubt Beric is getting out alive either. They also keep saying how safe the crypts are which means that they're going to be anything but safe next episode.

[ShineintheDark]

Pretty much a filler but still some good scenes ie. Brienne's knighting, Arya getting some, Dany and Sansa bonding etc. Grey Worm's gonna die, so will Beric. As much as I love Sam he's sort of exhausted his storyline in the show and he's hardly the best warrior so I can see him dying too. At least one Lannister brother (bets on Tyrion after his 'one of you will be wearing this pin before this is all done' comment) will die before the finale, maybe even next episode. That said, I bet Sansa, Arya and Jon are likely safe - Bran's a toss-up since he's the bait and we all know the plan will definitely go horribly wrong.

[LiberalTurboprop]

Pretty much a filler but still some good scenes ie. Brienne's knighting, Arya getting some, Dany and Sansa bonding etc. Grey Worm's gonna die, so will Beric. As much as I love Sam he's sort of exhausted his storyline in the show and he's hardly the best warrior so I can see him dying too. At least one Lannister brother (bets on Tyrion after his 'one of you will be wearing this pin before this is all done' comment) will die before the finale, maybe even next episode. That said, I bet Sansa, Arya and Jon are likely safe - Bran's a toss-up since he's the bait and we all know the plan will definitely go horribly wrong.

If I had to bet on a Lannister brother dying, it would be Jaime in a final act of redemption. But I'm also feeling like Tyrion could die. I hope they do something with him because he hasn't really been doing anything for the last 3 seasons. Also, I don't think Dany and Sansa bonded at all. It's becoming increasingly clear that Dany is power-crazed and doesn't like challenge to her rule. Sansa is standing pretty firm for Northern independence. I'm really liking Sansa atm.

[BlackParadePixie]

Saw someone spin a theory that the night king isn't even going to be at winterfell. The attack there is a diversion and he is flying down to king's landing to turn everyone down there into more white walkers.

[Karalectric]

They also keep saying how safe the crypts are which means that they're going to be anything but safe next episode.

Haha yes that is what i was thinking. Hiding among the dead while off fighting the dead. What can possibly go wrong??

Saw someone spin a theory that the night king isn't even going to be at winterfell. The attack there is a diversion and he is flying down to king's landing to turn everyone down there into more white walkers.

OMG that would be crazy

[InternetTeen]

Pretty much a filler but still some good scenes ie. Brienne's knighting, Arya getting some, Dany and Sansa bonding etc. Grey Worm's gonna die, so will Beric. As much as I love Sam he's sort of exhausted his storyline in the show and he's hardly the best warrior so I can see him dying too. At least one Lannister brother (bets on Tyrion after his 'one of you will be wearing this pin before this is all done' comment) will die before the finale, maybe even next episode. That said, I bet Sansa, Arya and Jon are likely safe - Bran's a toss-up since he's the bait and we all know the plan will definitely go horribly wrong.

Sam can't die (imo). He's the Samwise Gamgee of Game of Thrones and will write A Song of Ice and Fire after the war.

[ShineintheDark]

Sam can't die (imo). He's the Samwise Gamgee of Game of Thrones and will write A Song of Ice and Fire after the war.

If that ends up being true then GOT has lost its edge - part of what we love about the show is that it drills the message home that you either scrap tooth and nail to survive or you're killed by those who will. If Sam makes it through unscathed all because he's the lovable guy we're all meant to like then the show isn't as gritty anymore.

If I had to bet on a Lannister brother dying, it would be Jaime in a final act of redemption. But I'm also feeling like Tyrion could die. I hope they do something with him because he hasn't really been doing anything for the last 3 seasons.

The writers will keep Jaime around to perpetuate the love triangle with Tormund and keep the romance with Brienne going. Plus he's the only person who can kill Cersei. As for Tyrion, his storyline has become like Baelish: either you STAY smarter than everyone in the room or your fate will catch up with you. Tyrion's time has come and I don't see him making it to the end.

Also, I don't think Dany and Sansa bonded at all. It's becoming increasingly clear that Dany is power-crazed and doesn't like challenge to her rule. Sansa is standing pretty firm for Northern independence. I'm really liking Sansa atm.
I disagree what I read from that scene was that they get on great as people but Dany can see that Sansa puts her people first - something that she empathises with and respects. It'll definitely cause conflict when the war is won but they as people are very similar, something that Dany states herself.

[jasondrums]

I agree that everybody in the crypts is probably going to wind up dead since they had about a dozen people make the point of "Crypts? LOL totally safe!" in this episode.

I have no clue what is going to happen. My only prediction going forward is that Arya makes it down to Kings Landing, slaps Littlefinger's face on and stabs Cersei to death.

[abcdeqwe]

(Attention spoilers!!)

So far, I prefer the season premiere. I found some scenes fairly boring and the pacing was honestly all over the place.
Also not enough Sansa. Give me the Sansa from the previous episode!
Also, calm the fuck down Danny, like seriously :rolleyes:

But with all that said, I am still here for Jamie’s redemption arc and Brienne getting knighted was excellent ��

[LiberalTurboprop]

Saw someone spin a theory that the night king isn't even going to be at winterfell. The attack there is a diversion and he is flying down to king's landing to turn everyone down there into more white walkers.

That would make sense. I mean defending Winterfell itself doesn't really make that much sense tactically, given that the dead could just surround them outside and starve them out (people need to eat but the dead don't) and send a separate force South by just bypassing Winterfell.

If that ends up being true then GOT has lost its edge - part of what we love about the show is that it drills the message home that you either scrap tooth and nail to survive or you're killed by those who will. If Sam makes it through unscathed all because he's the lovable guy we're all meant to like then the show isn't as gritty anymore.

The show lost its edge a while ago there. Especially, last season when John, Tormund, Gendry, Beric, etc. went beyond the wall and they only lost like one minor character and then a dragon which is really a plot device rather than a character people care about.


As for Tyrion, his storyline has become like Baelish: either you STAY smarter than everyone in the room or your fate will catch up with you. Tyrion's time has come and I don't see him making it to the end.

Well, like Baelish in that the writers realise they can't write smart or scheming characters well after the books end, he just kinda does stuff and then dies.

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

Saw someone spin a theory that the night king isn't even going to be at winterfell. The attack there is a diversion and he is flying down to king's landing to turn everyone down there into more white walkers.

He was there alright. His presence was felt haha. Another silly fan theory. Bran wasn't The Night King either.

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

They also keep saying how safe the crypts are which means that they're going to be anything but safe next episode.

Of course not, there were already corpses in the crypt that the Night King can rise haha. Nobody thought about that.

[InternetTeen]

RIP to all the characters especially Theon and Edd :(

[LiberalTurboprop]

He was there alright. His presence was felt haha. Another silly fan theory. Bran wasn't The Night King either.

Would have been better than what we got imo. I was pretty disappointed with the episode. They didn't really have to sacrifice much to stop this thing that has been built up for the whole series. It didn't feel earned. Like who died? The minor characters of Beric and Melisandre. And Theon and Jorah are major characters but they're not the biggest (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, Arya, even Bran). The show is too scared to kill off fan favourites tbh. It's gone from being about politicking and lore and longer character arcs to some fan-servicing Hollywood action.

[InternetTeen]

Would have been better than what we got imo. I was pretty disappointed with the episode. They didn't really have to sacrifice much to stop this thing that has been built up for the whole series. It didn't feel earned. Like who died? The minor characters of Beric and Melisandre. And Theon and Jorah are major characters but they're not the biggest (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, Arya, even Bran). The show is too scared to kill off fan favourites tbh. It's gone from being about politicking and lore and longer character arcs to some fan-servicing Hollywood action.

They might kill off one or two when they fight Cersei. I can see a major character dying.

[LiberalTurboprop]

They might kill off one or two when they fight Cersei. I can see a major character dying.

Maybe. I just never saw Cersei as much of a threat compared to like the supernatural force of nature that is the Others. It just seems unrealistic for so many of them to come out of it alive, especially when it looks like they're getting swarmed and then in the next scene they're like fine.

[InternetTeen]

Maybe. I just never saw Cersei as much of a threat compared to like the supernatural force of nature that is the Others. It just seems unrealistic for so many of them to come out of it alive, especially when it looks like they're getting swarmed and then in the next scene they're like fine.

I honestly thought it would've been worse. I thought they would've abandoned Winterfell and fled towards the Vale.
It's kinda hard to predict what will happen in the last episodes but I think another dragon and Dany will die.

[LiberalTurboprop]

I honestly thought it would've been worse. I thought they would've abandoned Winterfell and fled towards the Vale.
It's kinda hard to predict what will happen in the last episodes but I think another dragon and Dany will die.

I'm just hoping something that's not standard fantasy happens. Like having Dany and Jon die or something.

[InternetTeen]

I'm just hoping something that's not standard fantasy happens. Like having Dany and Jon die or something.

I'm also excited for cleganebowl :D

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

Would have been better than what we got imo. I was pretty disappointed with the episode. They didn't really have to sacrifice much to stop this thing that has been built up for the whole series. It didn't feel earned. Like who died? The minor characters of Beric and Melisandre. And Theon and Jorah are major characters but they're not the biggest (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, Arya, even Bran). The show is too scared to kill off fan favourites tbh. It's gone from being about politicking and lore and longer character arcs to some fan-servicing Hollywood action.

We had a battle that was of the same caliber as the assault on Helm's Deep from The Two Towers and you were disappointed? I guess some people just can't be pleased haha. The politics and lore was there to set the ground for wars to come. They established the universe and characters, now it's action time.

[Shaythen]

Is it bad that I’ve never seen a single episode?

[LiberalTurboprop]

We had a battle that was of the same caliber as the assault on Helm's Deep from The Two Towers and you were disappointed? I guess some people just can't be pleased haha. The politics and lore was there to set the ground for wars to come. They established the universe and characters, now it's action time.

I don't think the battle was a satisfying conclusion to the lore and character arcs though. I don't think this battle was nearly the calibre of something like Helm's Deep, especially story wise.

[ShineintheDark]

Would have been better than what we got imo. I was pretty disappointed with the episode. They didn't really have to sacrifice much to stop this thing that has been built up for the whole series. It didn't feel earned. Like who died? The minor characters of Beric and Melisandre. And Theon and Jorah are major characters but they're not the biggest (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, Arya, even Bran). The show is too scared to kill off fan favourites tbh. It's gone from being about politicking and lore and longer character arcs to some fan-servicing Hollywood action.
I disagree, the only people I felt that survived when they shouldn't have were Sam (who was shown to be as useless at fighting as I predicted), Brienne, Jaime (who were literally backed up against a wall at the end and should have definitely been ripped apart) and the Hound (who didn't really do anything). However, once again only Jaime would really be considered 'main'. The reasons why so many of the central characters survived was that they played it smart: Dany and Jon stayed on or by their dragons (with Jorah acting as a human shield for Dany when she was thrown off), Sansa and Tyrion stayed hidden in the Crypts and avoided fighting since they KNEW they were useless at fighting, Arya fought when she could and hid when she got too overwhelmed and Bran literally almost died. None of their actions were in any way out of character for them, the Night King easily swatted any character who tried to face him directly, including Jon and Dany and especially Theon - entire tension of the last sequence was that it was practically CERTAIN he would win. The audience could see no way that the living would make it out alive. Then Arya did what she's been training to do for 4 seasons: she assassinated a target using clever hand movements and daring maneuvers.

[LiberalTurboprop]

I disagree, the only people I felt that survived when they shouldn't have were Sam (who was shown to be as useless at fighting as I predicted), Brienne, Jaime (who were literally backed up against a wall at the end and should have definitely been ripped apart) and the Hound (who didn't really do anything). However, once again only Jaime would really be considered 'main'. The reasons why so many of the central characters survived was that they played it smart: Dany and Jon stayed on or by their dragons (with Jorah acting as a human shield for Dany when she was thrown off), Sansa and Tyrion stayed hidden in the Crypts and avoided fighting since they KNEW they were useless at fighting, Arya fought when she could and hid when she got too overwhelmed and Bran literally almost died. None of their actions were in any way out of character for them, the Night King easily swatted any character who tried to face him directly, including Jon and Dany and especially Theon - entire tension of the last sequence was that it was practically CERTAIN he would win. The audience could see no way that the living would make it out alive. Then Arya did what she's been training to do for 4 seasons: she assassinated a target using clever hand movements and daring maneuvers.

I still think that it is an unsatisfying way to end the Walker threat which has been built up for seven seasons. Arya's plotline has had nothing to do with the Walkers until the last few episodes. To the degree that the Walkers have been built up as this mythical force of nature, there should at least be some major sacrifice or at least something for our heroes but lo and behold all the most important ones and even the superfluous ones make it out. The show doesn't have the balls to kill fan favourites like Brienne or Davos. And the deaths aren't really matter-of-fact any more - they all get their big fantasy hero moment like everyone is MFing Boromir holding off the Uruk-hai.

And the thing is that out of those characters you said should have died, none of them did. This is supposed to be Game of Thrones. Some of them should have died. I also think that Jon was really a goner when the Night King surrounded him with an army of re-animated corpses but then in the next cut there are only like ten dudes around him. Jon acts like he's trying to commit suicide by combat but can't manage to die because of his immense plot armour :lol:. Like fine if the writers want Jon to live but don't put him in danger so many times just for a miraculous fake-out.

The biggest issue though isn't that the Walkers are defeated in a single episode. It's the lack of build up to the events that happen. To the pay off. We learn that the Night King wants Bran and the world's vaguest motivation like an episode before this one. What build up is there to Arya killing him? Just that she had a special weapon made the episode before. Her character goes from a girl tormented by war and death who turns to brutal revenge, to a cold assassin to a character who is risking it all and making a big heroic move for her family and the fight against the Walkers with little character growth to justify it. She doesn't have some believable and complex movement from being a Faceless Man to a Stark and learning the value of putting aside revenge for the good of humanity. She just does that. But I think even Jon killing the Night King instead of Arya (have him swinging in instead of her) would be disappointing due to the lack of sacrifice and build-up. The writing simply feels rushed and slapdash.

And while I would class it as a nitpick (because then a lot of Throne's battles fall apart), a lot of the tactics don't make sense at all. They just sent their cavalry out to die in a head-on charge rather than using them for like flanking manouvres, charging weakened positions in the enemy line or for picking off whites with archery. They just let the wights breach the fire trench without like having long-pikes and jabbing them to death. They don't use their dragons to destroy and harass the enemy host before it arrives, only when they actually attack. Dany literally lands her dragon and gets it covered with wights. When fighting an enemy who can raise the dead, they put their vulnerable in a freaking crypt. I mean come on.

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

I'm just hoping something that's not standard fantasy happens. Like having Dany and Jon die or something.

You wishing the death of Targaryens is treason. You deserve to be executed by dragon fire. Seriously though, Emilia said in an interview that she was upset when reading the ending of the show so your wish might just be granted then.

Is it bad that I’ve never seen a single episode?

You just have no idea what you're missing haha.

[hayley2003]

The whole Game Of Thrones reminds me of stories of King Arthur and the knights of the round table. In the case of GOT, John snow simular to King Arthur. Both are reluctant Kings that were outsiders that had no claim to the thrown, once they discover their true identity they strive to be honorable and ethical kings.

I have no idea how GOT ends, but I shall be very surprised if John Snow dies. I expect he will ultimately be the King over the seven kingdoms.

[InternetTeen]

The whole Game Of Thrones reminds me of stories of King Arthur and the knights of the round table. In the case of GOT, John snow simular to King Arthur. Both are reluctant Kings that were outsiders that had no claim to the thrown, once they discover their true identity they strive to be honorable and ethical kings.

I have no idea how GOT ends, but I shall be very surprised if John Snow dies. I expect he will ultimately be the King over the seven kingdoms.

He definitely won't die but I don't think he will be King unless he has too. Most of them time he has been forced into leading and he clearly doesn't enjoy it. Sansa will most likely be Queen as she's best suited for the role as we saw in Episode 2 when Theon chose Sansa over Dany. Jon will go back North and raise his kid Dany died giving birth too.

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

I have no idea how GOT ends, but I shall be very surprised if John Snow dies.

Just saying by the way, there's no h in Jon. And it's not Jon but Aegon anyway haha.

He definitely won't die but I don't think he will be King unless he has too.

Well he does have to since he is the only true heir to the Iron Throne.

[hayley2003]

Just saying by the way, there's no h in Jon. And it's not Jon but Aegon anyway haha.


What? Did I forget to use a period, not use uppercase correctly, or maybe had two spaces between words, instead of one space?

[InternetTeen]

Just saying by the way, there's no h in Jon. And it's not Jon but Aegon anyway haha.



Well he does have to since he is the only true heir to the Iron Throne.

Robert won the war and took the throne so you could say Gendry is the heir to the Iron Throne. I think Sansa should get it and will be the best for it. Can't Jon just refuse the throne?

[LiberalTurboprop]

Just saying by the way, there's no h in Jon. And it's not Jon but Aegon anyway haha.

Just because he was originally named Aegon as a baby, doesn't mean he can't still be Jon now. He grew up as Jon and as almost a Stark.

Well he does have to since he is the only true heir to the Iron Throne.

That really depends on what you consider the to be the true heir to the Iron Throne. Jon is further in line than Dany if you consider the Iron Throne to be only held by a Targaryen. And that claim means nothing if he can't provide proof. And armies defeat bloodline if it comes to it. Others might consider the Thron to be Baratheon because Robert Baratheon took it by right of conquest (with a bit of extra legitimacy from the Baratheons having recent Targaryen blood). The true heir to the throne is whoever can take and hold it.

[breaux]

Cersei or Jaime will take the throne.

oh, and shoutout to bran for being the MVP of that battle, great effort

[THE_D3_4D_3Y_35]

What? Did I forget to use a period, not use uppercase correctly, or maybe had two spaces between words, instead of one space?

Nah you didn't and even if you did it would be alright then because I'm not a grammar Nazi. It's just that misspelling the name of the most important character on the show was a bit too much for me to let slip haha.

Just because he was originally named Aegon as a baby, doesn't mean he can't still be Jon now. He grew up as Jon and as almost a Stark.

That really depends on what you consider the to be the true heir to the Iron Throne. Jon is further in line than Dany if you consider the Iron Throne to be only held by a Targaryen. And that claim means nothing if he can't provide proof. And armies defeat bloodline if it comes to it. Others might consider the Thron to be Baratheon because Robert Baratheon took it by right of conquest (with a bit of extra legitimacy from the Baratheons having recent Targaryen blood). The true heir to the throne is whoever can take and hold it.

Just because you were named Connor by your mother doesn't mean I can't call you some thing else then? Well yeah sure of course but I'll just stick to most characters considering him the true heir including Dany.

[ShineintheDark]

RIP my sweet baby Rhaegal, sacrificed too soon.

[breaux]

excellent aim from euron

#CerseitakesthethronewithJaimeasIpredicted

[LiberalTurboprop]

RIP my sweet baby Rhaegal, sacrificed too soon.

Not sure how a fleet managed to surprise a dragon. This show is lucky that it has a budget to pay for all the visual effects and a viewerbase already invested in the characters. It's sad how far the show has gone downhill.

[ShineintheDark]

Not sure how a fleet managed to surprise a dragon. This show is lucky that it has a budget to pay for all the visual effects and a viewerbase already invested in the characters. It's sad how far the show has gone downhill.

I wasn't TOO bothered by that considering I interpreted it as more Dany being so overjoyed to be home that she lets her attention slip so it doesn't occur to her that Cersei would anticipate her return to Dragonstone. After all, Euron's fleet were hidden behind some crags. That said, the billion scorpion blots tht miss Drogon when every shot hit Rhaegal perfectly was a little convenient.

All the same, all respect for Missandei whose last words were not to cry or beg for mercy but instead a defiant: 'Dracarys!'

[Karalectric]

All that work the cast and crew put into that episode of GoT and the biggest thing people are talking about is this!! :P

https://i.imgur.com/WwG63nX.jpg

[hayley2003]

If the TV show is ahead of the books because the books have not been published, how do they know how the story ends?

or... maybe the TV series ends where the current books end, but the story in the books continues.

[LiberalTurboprop]

If the TV show is ahead of the books because the books have not been published, how do they know how the story ends?

or... maybe the TV series ends where the current books end, but the story in the books continues.

The TV series runs out of book material around Season 5. George R.R. Martin is taking forever to write the next book. Apparently, he's given a vague outline to the showrunners on what the story ends up like but the books will probably get their differently and have a pretty different end result. Speculation is that he's taking so long to write the next book because he's not sure how to properly plot it out. The way the show has gone kinda shows that you want to plot things out right. The show has slowly devolved into some big dumb action drama without the books.

[hayley2003]

Yeah, I don't think its as good as it was during the first few seasons and its mostly that actions stuff that I kinda find boring.

[ShineintheDark]

George RR Martin has been involved in some of the l;arger points - he's given them plot points that he definitely plans on putting in the books (most of them probably in S6 like Battle of the Bastards and blowing up the Sept of Baelor though some more long term like who he currently plans to sit on the Iron Throne). It's true that he's kicked the can down the road for a release date for his book and so it's hard for the showrunners to really consult him about the show if he hasn't got to writing his version of the story. Best you an hope for is that George writes an ending you prefer over the show since he has the luxury of massive novels to fully flesh out character development and storylines whilst the show's been restricted to a handful of episodes to close it all up.

[ShineintheDark]

So um, what did we think lads?

[InternetTeen]

So um, what did we think lads?

Cleganebowl was the best part of the episode. Other than that it wasn't overly impressive. Cersei being killed by a brick was so stupid. Also where did all these Unsullied appear from?

The last two seasons have felt so rushed.

[breaux]

Waste to throw away Cersei and Jaime (especially after he just killed Euron)...

Who's even left of worthy people to sit on the throne?

Fuck Daenerys. Jon is alright, as well as Tyrion. Bran seems like he is high 24/7. Arya.. meh.

I think that either Jon or Arya will kill Daenerys in the last episode as well as claim the throne.

[LiberalTurboprop]

Waste to throw away Cersei and Jaime (especially after he just killed Euron)...

Who's even left of worthy people to sit on the throne?

Fuck Daenerys. Jon is alright, as well as Tyrion. Bran seems like he is high 24/7. Arya.. meh.

I think that either Jon or Arya will kill Daenerys in the last episode as well as claim the throne.

I think Jon will kill Dany and take the throne. I don't think Jon would be a good king really. He seems as dumb as a rock in the TV series. Sansa would be a good queen. I used to watch the episodes as soon as they came out but I'm not really doing that any more. The series is just kinda dumb now. The dialogue is pretty cringy.

[InternetTeen]

I think Jon will kill Dany and take the throne. I don't think Jon would be a good king really. He seems as dumb as a rock in the TV series. Sansa would be a good queen. I used to watch the episodes as soon as they came out but I'm not really doing that any more. The series is just kinda dumb now. The dialogue is pretty cringy.

There are theories that Dany will want to have Sansa executed for telling everyone about Jons heritage leading Jon to kill Dany.
Sansa would end up ruling I guess but since there is no Kings Landing it would be difficult to do.

[hayley2003]

Well I liked the ending. Like a typical girl I teared up.

While many of my predictions did not come true, one big one did. I predicted someone would kill Queen Dani, and thought most likely it would Jon Snow, but I also thought it could have been several others too because the show liked to have unexpected surprises.

My second prediction, sort came true. My prediction was that at the end they would kinda have knights of the round table, where all the lords would become equal "hands to the king".... That kinda happened when they named a King that would only be King for as long as he lived, then someone else would voted to become King by lords of the other kingdoms...... I should point out that such a system might be better, it still lends itself to corruption, which would lead to murdering the king so that power a hungry lord could take his place. But, that will be left for future stories in Song of Fire & Ice.

Clearly there are many characters that could spin off into future stories in the books. Even Queen Dani being sweep away by her Dragon; Jon Snow came back from the dead, so why not Queen Dani... Arya Stark sales off to whereabouts unknown, lots of stories could come from that. And of course, Jon Snow (True King of the Iron Throne) is banished once again to Knights Watch; like his entire past, he is forced to do things he does not want to do, for the greater good of others.

[ShineintheDark]

I actually quite liked the ending as well. Dany died how she always would: betrayed by the man she loved. Plus, the whole scene of Drogon nudging her lifeless body and letting out a screech of mourning was beautifully heartbreaking. As for the crown, I was really appreciative of the symbolism of the Iron Throne melting by dragonfire: by conquering Westeros and deposing the royal line, a 'Dragon' did technically end the competition for the throne (even if she didn't intend to).

I was a little thrown by the whole 'Bran should rule' thing (though the lords laughing at Sam's feeble proposition for democracy did make me smile) but I can let that be, it's a solution that doesn't hugely matter in the long run. I'd have preferred for ALL the kingdoms to break off and rule themselves after centuries of rule by foreign monarchs but I don't hate the ending either since at least the North did.

I think all the endings for the Stark clan made sense: Bran is best suited to governing fairly and wisely as the only man who can see for himself how the people live and what their lives are really like; Sansa is a Northern lady through and through so is the only person who would be respected as Queen of the North; Arya isn't suited for the quiet life of a Westerosi lady so may as well o out and explore the unknown lands; Jon is where he belongs now - he found love beyond the Wall, he found his closest friends beyond the Wall and so he will live happily and freely beyond the Wall (even if the existence of a Night's Watch makes 0 sense without a Wall to defend or Wildlings to keep out).

[InternetTeen]

The ending was fantastic in my opinion. Ned Stark's children won the Game of Thrones: The King of the Six Kingdoms, The King beyond the Wall, The Queen in the North and the Queen of the new world.

Jon killing Dany was sad especially because of Drogon. Drogon has nothing now. I hope Dany is reunited with Khal Drogo as in her visions it showed her in the throne room, then out beyond the wall she found Drogos tent.

Also did the directors forget that most the Dothraki and Unsullied die. Dany looked like she had more Unsullied then before :D

[Karalectric]

The ending was fantastic in my opinion. Ned Stark's children won the Game of Thrones: The King of the Six Kingdoms, The King beyond the Wall, The Queen in the North and the Queen of the new world.

Jon killing Dany was sad especially because of Drogon. Drogon has nothing now. I hope Dany is reunited with Khal Drogo as in her visions it showed her in the throne room, then out beyond the wall she found Drogos tent.

Also did the directors forget that most the Dothraki and Unsullied die. Dany looked like she had more Unsullied then before :D

Yea everything was wrapped up with a nice little bow on it.

My favorite line - "I know a killer when I see one." Umm... YATHINK? Thank you, Captain Aryabvious. :lol3:

[InternetTeen]

Yea everything was wrapped up with a nice little bow on it.

My favorite line - "I know a killer when I see one." Umm... YATHINK? Thank you, Captain Aryabvious. :lol3:

I liked Brans 'why do you think I came here' line. That guy had it planned out all season.

I also hope they make a spin-off with Arya exploring what's West of Westeros.

[Karalectric]

I also hope they make a spin-off with Arya exploring what's West of Westeros.

I would tune in for that!!!!

[InternetTeen]

I would tune in for that!!!!

I also wouldn't mind a Tormund, Jon and Ghost spin-off but I think Kit Harrington said he is done with Game of Thrones.

[Karalectric]

I also wouldn't mind a Tormund, Jon and Ghost spin-off but I think Kit Harrington said he is done with Game of Thrones.

I don't blame him. That hair looks like high maintenance. :P

[hayley2003]

I liked Brans 'why do you think I came here' line. That guy had it planned out all season.

I also hope they make a spin-off with Arya exploring what's West of Westeros.

Yeah, Now that I think about it, Bran was the first to rise from the dead. Technically, being pushed out a window from such a height is certain death, but he survived. And from the beginning it was clear he was an important part of the story, it just remained a big mystery when his importance would be central to the story. I thought maybe Bran would be kinda like a hand to Jon Snow, telling Jon key insights that would help him be a better King.

I Just read that HBO is exploring the idea of a Prequel. Several ideas have been proposed and HBO has ordered one pilot movie, and is considering other ideas for more pilots. Once the books are finished, they could always come back to do more if the books continue further than the series. The books could end up like Star War universe, where there are so many different side stories that could be told.

[InternetTeen]

Yeah, Now that I think about it, Bran was the first to rise from the dead. Technically, being pushed out a window from such a height is certain death, but he survived. And from the beginning it was clear he was an important part of the story, it just remained a big mystery when his importance would be central to the story. I thought maybe Bran would be kinda like a hand to Jon Snow, telling Jon key insights that would help him be a better King.

I Just read that HBO is exploring the idea of a Prequel. Several ideas have been proposed and HBO has ordered one pilot movie, and is considering other ideas for more pilots. Once the books are finished, they could always come back to do more if the books continue further than the series. The books could end up like Star War universe, where there are so many different side stories that could be told.

I don't really like the fact that Bran was made King. He has no emotions and wouldn't care about the people. He is also a cripple and would be seen as weak. He should've been made Master of Whisperers and Sansa should've been crowned Queen. I've also heard theories that Bran is actually evil.

I really want a Roberts Rebellion prequel though hopefully with better writers and possible new directors as the current ones are moving onto Star Wars. I don't know if George Martin will ever finish the books as he's had over 20 years to do it and hasn't managed too.

[hayley2003]

I don't really like the fact that Bran was made King. He has no emotions and wouldn't care about the people. He is also a cripple and would be seen as weak. He should've been made Master of Whisperers and Sansa should've been crowned Queen. I've also heard theories that Bran is actually evil.

I really want a Roberts Rebellion prequel though hopefully with better writers and possible new directors as the current ones are moving onto Star Wars. I don't know if George Martin will ever finish the books as he's had over 20 years to do it and hasn't managed too.

It's unlikely he ever will end because there are so many side stories that could be told, but lets hope he wraps up the Song of Ice and Fire. It would be sad if the books series remains unfinished.

[LiberalTurboprop]

I think the season as a whole was far too rushed. The plot points could make sense if done well but they simply weren't. Characters simply weren't developed enough and the plot not well written enough to be satisfying or convincing. I know people liked that their favourite characters survived or ended up in power but the way they got there was some pretty shoddy writing and I think the fan-service in it actually weakened the show as a whole. Like how many "haha, the person said the line that they said in a previous season" lines did we get? And the Bronn plotline made no sense and was a waste of time in a season without enough time. It's clear he was only really in it because he's a fan favourite. Fan-service doesn't make a stronger show. It get's points for being well acted, good effects and having a good soundtrack but it's all let down by shoddy writing. As a season on it's own, I don't think I could recommend it. Fortunately for it, it's the conclusion - however, disappointing - of a TV show that is much better as a whole due to it's top-notch first few seasons.

[InternetTeen]

I think the season as a whole was far too rushed. The plot points could make sense if done well but they simply weren't. Characters simply weren't developed enough and the plot not well written enough to be satisfying or convincing. I know people liked that their favourite characters survived or ended up in power but the way they got there was some pretty shoddy writing and I think the fan-service in it actually weakened the show as a whole. Like how many "haha, the person said the line that they said in a previous season" lines did we get? And the Bronn plotline made no sense and was a waste of time in a season without enough time. It's clear he was only really in it because he's a fan favourite. Fan-service doesn't make a stronger show. It get's points for being well acted, good effects and having a good soundtrack but it's all let down by shoddy writing. As a season on it's own, I don't think I could recommend it. Fortunately for it, it's the conclusion - however, disappointing - of a TV show that is much better as a whole due to it's top-notch first few seasons.

It should've been made into about 20-30 episodes. First half about Cersei and defeating Cersei, 2nd half all about the Army of the Dead.

[LiberalTurboprop]

It should've been made into about 20-30 episodes. First half about Cersei and defeating Cersei, 2nd half all about the Army of the Dead.

Yeah, the army of the dead was defeated way too fast and with far too little sacrifice.

I don't really like the fact that Bran was made King. He has no emotions and wouldn't care about the people. He is also a cripple and would be seen as weak. He should've been made Master of Whisperers and Sansa should've been crowned Queen. I've also heard theories that Bran is actually evil.

If you'll allow me to geek out for a little bit, I'm not sure Bran or Sansa being Queen of the "six kingdoms" (The original Seven Kingdoms had 9 regions - the Crownlands, the North, the Westerlands, the Riverlands, the Vale, the Iron Islands, the Stormlands, the Reach and Dorne, down to 8 when the North leaves) makes sense given what we know about the regions. You have to remember that there are minor houses who are vassals of their great lord and are often ambitious and have their own interests. And I'm not sure the council who decides who decide the King in the show have enough power or authority to legitimise their decisions.

The North: leaves the realm under Sansa, she will support a candidate who will allow this.

The Crownlands: go to whoever becomes monarch but the minor houses of the Crownlands will have to accept them.

The Westerlands: I guess Tyrion rules here though I'm not sure whether the Westerlands would accept the dwarf who was in the leadership in the war against Cersei, their previous ruler and murdered Tywin.

The Riverlands: Edmure Tully, will side with the Stark interests.

The Vale: Robery Arryn, will likely side with Stark interests.

The Iron Islands: have long wanted independence, will leave the realm.

The Stormlands: Given to Gendry. He has some chance of being accepted by the minor lords being legitimised (though by a contested queen who burned down the capital) but I think it's shaky whether he'd keep power without some force behind him. Gendry would probably go for Stark interests.

The Reach: The most militarily powerful and largest food producing region. No chance that the minor lords would accept Bronn as lord.

Dorne: Will go for independence.

So, I can see a Stark getting elected by the council with Dorne and the Iron Islands simply leaving but given that most of Dany's army seems to be gone, they'd rely on the forces of the Riverlands, depleted forces of the North and the depleted forces of the Vale (if these regions are even willing to go to war for it which is a big if) to install a loyalist lord (like Tyrion) in the Westerlands, threaten the Stormlands into accepting Gendry and they'd basically have to throw out Bronn as lord of the Reach and intervene in a likely civil war in the Reach to install a loyalist lord. And that's assuming that the Westerlands, Reach and Stormlands don't already rally around a house who wants independence. So at best the Kingdom the elected King would lead would be smaller, unstable and cost more lives.

[InternetTeen]

Yeah, the army of the dead was defeated way too fast and with far too little sacrifice.



If you'll allow me to geek out for a little bit, I'm not sure Bran or Sansa being Queen of the "six kingdoms" (The original Seven Kingdoms had 9 regions - the Crownlands, the North, the Westerlands, the Riverlands, the Vale, the Iron Islands, the Stormlands, the Reach and Dorne, down to 8 when the North leaves) makes sense given what we know about the regions. You have to remember that there are minor houses who are vassals of their great lord and are often ambitious and have their own interests. And I'm not sure the council who decides who decide the King in the show have enough power or authority to legitimise their decisions.

The North: leaves the realm under Sansa, she will support a candidate who will allow this.

The Crownlands: go to whoever becomes monarch but the minor houses of the Crownlands will have to accept them.

The Westerlands: I guess Tyrion rules here though I'm not sure whether the Westerlands would accept the dwarf who was in the leadership in the war against Cersei, their previous ruler and murdered Tywin.

The Riverlands: Edmure Tully, will side with the Stark interests.

The Vale: Robery Arryn, will likely side with Stark interests.

The Iron Islands: have long wanted independence, will leave the realm.

The Stormlands: Given to Gendry. He has some chance of being accepted by the minor lords being legitimised (though by a contested queen who burned down the capital) but I think it's shaky whether he'd keep power without some force behind him. Gendry would probably go for Stark interests.

The Reach: The most militarily powerful and largest food producing region. No chance that the minor lords would accept Bronn as lord.

Dorne: Will go for independence.

So, I can see a Stark getting elected by the council with Dorne and the Iron Islands simply leaving but given that most of Dany's army seems to be gone, they'd rely on the forces of the Riverlands, depleted forces of the North and the depleted forces of the Vale (if these regions are even willing to go to war for it which is a big if) to install a loyalist lord (like Tyrion) in the Westerlands, threaten the Stormlands into accepting Gendry and they'd basically have to throw out Bronn as lord of the Reach and intervene in a likely civil war in the Reach to install a loyalist lord. And that's assuming that the Westerlands, Reach and Stormlands don't already rally around a house who wants independence. So at best the Kingdom the elected King would lead would be smaller, unstable and cost more lives.


Well I agree with everything you said here. I reckon they would accept Gendry to be honest. House Tyrell is gone although I think in the books there Loras had two older brothers. Perhaps the eldest would become Lord even though they're not introduced in the show.