Incest (no, not what you think)

[Zika]

What do you consider incest?
They say the only universal taboo is incest, meaning sex between first degree relatives: siblings, parent/child.

But others consider sex between more distant relatives to be incest as well.

What do you consider incest?

Without being vulgar, what acts do you consider incestuous amongst those people?

According to threads on this site (which are questionable, I know), 'experimenting' with siblings is not uncommon. At what point does it become incest?
Is it different if it's temporary experimentation, rather than an ongoing activity?

Does it matter if they grew up in the same household or not? For example, strictly speaking, sex between step-siblings is generally not considered incest. But say they've lived in the same house since they were children. Does that make a difference?

Should there be laws against incest amongst consenting adults, or minors of consenting age? Aside from the genetic issues of inbreeding, what affect does this have on society?

Does this sound too much like a school assignment? :rolleyes:

[Emilyfox]

I think it’s actual sex that can make a baby, so m + f with potential to you know, put semen inside
And like with immediate family + aunt uncle and first cousins

I don’t think playing or doing things like bjs with a close relative is incest, it’s experimentstion or helping
But I think like, to be acceptable it has to be same generation - like a parent or aunt uncle with a teen is abuse

[Spooky_Eli]

I think it’s actual sex that can make a baby, so m + f with potential to you know, put semen inside
And like with immediate family + aunt uncle and first cousins

I don’t think playing or doing things like bjs with a close relative is incest, it’s experimentstion or helping
But I think like, to be acceptable it has to be same generation - like a parent or aunt uncle with a teen is abuse

you know it hightens the risk of STD's right? regardless of f+m or m+m

[Emilyfox]

you know it hightens the risk of STD's right? regardless of f+m or m+m

Being related heightens the risk of std’s?

[Spooky_Eli]

Being related heightens the risk of std’s?

Yes!

[Zika]

I think it’s actual sex that can make a baby, so m + f with potential to you know, put semen inside
And like with immediate family + aunt uncle and first cousins

I don’t think playing or doing things like bjs with a close relative is incest, it’s experimentstion or helping
But I think like, to be acceptable it has to be same generation - like a parent or aunt uncle with a teen is abuse


That makes sense.
What about anal between siblings for example? It won't lead to pregnancy.

How about an adult child with a parent? 25 year old boy with his mom?

Why do you include first cousins as being incestious?
I know some people do, and in some states marriage between first cousins is illegal. I'm just curious why you think it's wrong.

[Emilyfox]

Yes!

How??

[Zika]

Yes!

What gives you that idea?
Over a period of generations it increases the risk of genetic disorders, but not STD's.

[Emilyfox]

That makes sense.
What about anal between siblings for example? It won't lead to pregnancy.

How about an adult child with a parent? 25 year old boy with his mom?

Why do you include first cousins as being incestious?
I know some people do, and in some states marriage between first cousins is illegal. I'm just curious why you think it's wrong.

I’m not sure I’d call anal incestuous, maybe it is. I haven’t done it lol
But it’s not a gene sharing thing

I don’t have a problem with first cousins marrying/hooking up - I’ve known a few who have... heck I’m related to a married couple who were first cousins
But I think it’s incestuous because of the genetic thing, it’s fine once or twice but if successive generations of first cousins have kids it can be an issue I believe, not enough diversity to keep things fresh n strong
That’s how it was described to me anyway

[Spooky_Eli]

How??

What gives you that idea?
Over a period of generations it increases the risk of genetic disorders, but not STD's.

An ask.com post i read a while back... well, thats the last time i refrain from fucking my cuz.

[Zika]

I’m not sure I’d call anal incestuous, maybe it is. I haven’t done it lol
But it’s not a gene sharing thing

I don’t have a problem with first cousins marrying/hooking up - I’ve known a few who have... heck I’m related to a married couple who were first cousins
But I think it’s incestuous because of the genetic thing, it’s fine once or twice but if successive generations of first cousins have kids it can be an issue I believe, not enough diversity to keep things fresh n strong
That’s how it was described to me anyway

Yeah, that's my understanding: the issue arises with multiple generations of inbreeding, not one time.

A friend of our family, who's a doctor and did his residency in Indiana, where they have a lot of Amish, told us the Amish have to marry within their community, and it's arranged by the parents. They have a very sophisticated system of keeping track of the blood lines and preventing as much intermarriage as possible and they're pretty successful at not having genetic disorders related to inbreeding.

Do you think there are any reasons for people to not engage in incest, besides the genetic issue?
Say brother and sister if they're careful to not get pregnant?
Or parent and adult child, with the same precaution?

An ask.com post i read a while back... well, thats the last time i refrain from fucking my cuz.

I guess you can go for your cuz without worry then ;)

Posts merged. Use the multi quote button next time ~Mars

[Spooky_Eli]

I guess you can go for your cuz without worry then ;)
:lol3: I guess so

[Emilyfox]

Yeah, that's my understanding: the issue arises with multiple generations of inbreeding, not one time.

A friend of our family, who's a doctor and did his residency in Indiana, where they have a lot of Amish, told us the Amish have to marry within their community, and it's arranged by the parents. They have a very sophisticated system of keeping track of the blood lines and preventing as much intermarriage as possible and they're pretty successful at not having genetic disorders related to inbreeding.

Do you think there are any reasons for people to not engage in incest, besides the genetic issue?
Say brother and sister if they're careful to not get pregnant?
Or parent and adult child, with the same precaution?

Yeah the Amish/Menanites/Pennsylvania Dutch have had issues with it
They do have a system that’s similar to some of First Nations people’s aroubd the world for that, but they still have a higher rate of birth defects because it’s still a fairly closed system
They often make arrangements with other communities in other states now to freshen it up a bit

[Zika]

Yeah the Amish/Menanites/Pennsylvania Dutch have had issues with it
They do have a system that’s similar to some of First Nations people’s aroubd the world for that, but they still have a higher rate of birth defects because it’s still a fairly closed system
They often make arrangements with other communities in other states now to freshen it up a bit

They will go out of their geographic community, but they still have to be from the same 'group' of Amish.

[hayley2003]

I remember my GYN Dr. telling me that incest was sexual touching between family relatives.

then she said there was consensual and non-consensual touching. Often, but not always, incest is non-consensual, like when somebody older take advantage of somebody younger.

her general thinking has always been what two people consensual do together is their business, but they need to do it safely. She even told me that its not unusual for brothers and sisters to experiment a little when they are younger and some even have sex.

[Zika]

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then she said there was consensual and non-consensual touching. Often, but not always, incest is non-consensual, like when somebody older take advantage of somebody younger.
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That's molestation, which shouldn't be confused with incest.

I think the implication of incest is that it's consensual. We're talking about sexual activity between relatives, not lack of consent. I think where there's overlap, most people would refer to it as molesting or rape.

[Emilyfox]

I remember my GYN Dr. telling me that incest was sexual touching between family relatives.

then she said there was consensual and non-consensual touching. Often, but not always, incest is non-consensual, like when somebody older take advantage of somebody younger.

her general thinking has always been what two people consensual do together is their business, but they need to do it safely. She even told me that its not unusual for brothers and sisters to experiment a little when they are younger and some even have sex.

Yeah I think it happens a lot more than people admit

[hayley2003]

That's molestation, which shouldn't be confused with incest.

I think the implication of incest is that it's consensual. We're talking about sexual activity between relatives, not lack of consent. I think where the

I'm pretty sure the term 'incest' can be either. It's about sexual touching between family members.

The meaning of the term does not imply its always two people consenting. If there sexual touching its incest.


Yeah I think it happens a lot more than people admit

I kinda think so too. I've heard rumors at school and some people online have said they done certain things. And my GYN Dr also hinted that she's talked to girls about stuff they done that includes sexual touching with a family member.

[ashleigh7]

Yeah I think it happens a lot more than people admit

Can I ask your opinion on consensual relationship between sister and brother?

[Zika]

I'm pretty sure the term 'incest' can be either. It's about sexual touching between family members.

The meaning of the term does not imply its always two people consenting. If there sexual touching its incest.


I agree. What I meant was, in the case that there was a lack of consent, that usually is the issue that's raised, not that it was familial.

At what degree of relationship would you not consider it incest? Like first cousins, second cousins...?

[Emilyfox]

Can I ask your opinion on consensual relationship between sister and brother?

Like the usual experimentation or helping each other but sometimes more I expect happens but like, just for the feeling not relationships

[breaux]

Two related people doing more than just family love.

[Zika]

Two related people doing more than just family love.

But related how closely for you to consider it incest?

[hayley2003]

I agree. What I meant was, in the case that there was a lack of consent, that usually is the issue that's raised, not that it was familial.

At what degree of relationship would you not consider it incest? Like first cousins, second cousins...?

well i'd say all bio relatives technically would be incest no matter how steps away, but clearly it gets kinda absurd pretty fast, and the only way to know for sure would be to use a DNA test. I read that almost half the world is related to Genghis Khan because got 100s of girls pregnant during his life.

then there's adopted people, which might not technically meet the definition, most people would think it applies no differently than if they weren't adopted.

kinda comes down to the what the law says it is, which is something like first cousins or closer, and any steps further away, like second cousins is not.

[Falcons_11]

Can I ask your opinion on consensual relationship between sister and brother?

I don't think that consent has anything to do with it. If you have a sexual relationship with your sister or brother it's still incest. If the relationship is non-consensual it's abuse or rape.

[NudistFun]

Ive cited elsewhere but the studies done on it define harmless incest as only occurring between family members of close age and so long as it is completley mutual and there is not a power disparity between the two. Obviously actually conceiving would be bad.

[breaux]

But related how closely for you to consider it incest?
If you are related in any way by blood. If you descent from the same people.

[melissa16]

I think it would be actual sex.

[Uniquemind]

I think the going rate is you have to be 28 times removed from the person. Which at that point places most individuals in differing centuries of existence. Meaning their lifetimes won’t overlap.

I feel the main reason why incest is taboo, is because of the genetic thing, and even the risk of conception, and once a society starts saying it’s okay, there is a high risk society over the long term would habitualize it successively which is where you get the really bad effects of the practice; which harms a nation’s population’s health and can cause a crisis.

My grey area for me is if like you have siblings or cousins and you’re young and are doing the “show me yours and I’ll show you mine” and it’s real innocent comparing differences.

The line for me is crossed when oral, anal, or intercourse is involved, between blood relations. It’s debatable if psycho-emotionally close, but non-blood relations like step siblings who categorize each other as sibling-relationship, would be incestuous if they cross that line.

Only the last scenario is debatable to me, the others are pretty concrete.

The thing with isolated populations who repeatability breed amongs themselves generation upon generation, is that they increase the likelihood of mutations to occur through the process of Genetic Drift, which can produce advantage mutations, but also horrible ones as well that could doom that population, it really is a roll of the dice.

[Hoopsgirl]

Yes!
Sorry quoted wrong person

[Hoopsgirl]

you know it hightens the risk of STD's right? regardless of f+m or m+m

Where on earth did you hear that? That’s completely false. It increases the risk or birth defects and mental disabilities supposedly, but not STD. That doesn’t make sense

[Nnoki]

I'd say any sexual contact involving more than hands between someone who shares at least 25% of your blood, (Parents, cousins, first siblings, uncle/aunt), although I wouldn't get involved intentionally with 2nd cousins either.
It doesn't apply to step-siblings or step-parents since you don't share genes.

[Wallky]

I believe that you should not have sex with a parent, aunt, uncle or brother / sister. For me, this is unnatural and immoral. No difference. they want to have a baby or not.

[hayley2003]

I'd say any sexual contact involving more than hands between someone who shares at least 25% of your blood, (Parents, cousins, first siblings, uncle/aunt), although I wouldn't get involved intentionally with 2nd cousins either.
It doesn't apply to step-siblings or step-parents since you don't share genes.

techically, step brothers, step sister, and step parents don't count. But most people kinda have the same feelings about it even if they are not directly related. if a step brother and step sister are messing around, people are going to think it is weird

But, one thing I have learn about people on internet, they like doing all kinds of stuff that I would never do. People love eating raw seaweed fresh off the beach, but I doubt I ever will...lol :)

[Nnoki]

techically, step brothers, step sister, and step parents don't count. But most people kinda have the same feelings about it even if they are not directly related. if a step brother and step sister are messing around, people are going to think it is weird

But, one thing I have learn about people on internet, they like doing all kinds of stuff that I would never do. People love eating raw seaweed fresh off the beach, but I doubt I ever will...lol :)

Yeah, I wouldn't do anything with step siblings or step partents, but on my definition I wouldn't call it Incest, it's just family respect to not do it

[mixel19]

I think incest is sexual intercourse between 2 people who are family, at least as close in "separation" as 1st cousins

[MasonBA]

I think incest is sexual intercourse between 2 people who are family, at least as close in "separation" as 1st cousins

I agree

[Catt]

I think it’s just m-f sex in the traditional / penis in vagina way that would lead to children (even if contraception used)
Otherwise it’s experimentation

[Riley2015]

hmmmm well incest is bad but sometimes it happens i guess, people experiment or get curious

[ashleigh7]

I think it's how ever you define sex. Penetration..touching...kissing...all or any combination of the 3. Personally, if it's safe and consenual, and the 2 people are close in age, and happy :) then be happy:)

[Zika]

I think it's how ever you define sex. Penetration..touching...kissing...all or any combination of the 3. Personally, if it's safe and consenual, and the 2 people are close in age, and happy :) then be happy:)

I think it’s just m-f sex in the traditional / penis in vagina way that would lead to children (even if contraception used)
Otherwise it’s experimentation

But what relationships would constitute incest? Not the acts, but the blood line.

[BJade]

Well I think any sexual activity between close relatives is technically incest. But if a brother and sister (who were close in age) who started by talking about sex and the others body, might end up getting naked, which could lead to them exploring the others body. I'd guess that would be ok (if they keep it private) as learning about yours and the other sexes body is part of growing up, and they'd be someone who you'd know well and trust, which is an important quality for someone you experiment in that way with.

If they had sex that would definitely be to much in my opinion. Though they'd be someone you know and trust, which is what you want in a partner to have sex with. It can be a rather emotional experience which could mess you there normal sibling relationship, which could end with them getting romantic for each other or going bad and not being able to stand each other. As well as the chance it could end up with them getting pregnant which would be horrible to explain to anyone, or require them to lie to cover it up

[ashleigh7]

But what relationships would constitute incest? Not the acts, but the blood line.

I guess brother and sister would be one. If you wanted to put a label on it.

[HFrint]

I would say that biologically it’s not incest but she me might say it is because step sibs are considered to be part of the family after marriage.

[BJade]

I would say that biologically it’s not incest but she me might say it is because step sibs are considered to be part of the family after marriage.

How about if there parents never got married but they were all living together like a stepfamily?

And would it be ok or technically incest if they were in there teens when there parents got together, so fell for each other at nearly the same time as there parents? Or they could even have been dating and that how there parents might have met?

[ashleigh7]

How about if there parents never got married but they were all living together like a stepfamily?

And would it be ok or technically incest if they were in there teens when there parents got together, so fell for each other at nearly the same time as there parents? Or they could even have been dating and that how there parents might have met?

Good point. Me personally....like in all relationships, if it’s consensual and the couple is happy...then people should be happy:) but that’s just my 2 cents:)

[xELENAx]

I think it’s actual sex that can make a baby, so m + f with potential to you know, put semen inside
And like with immediate family + aunt uncle and first cousins

I don’t think playing or doing things like bjs with a close relative is incest, it’s experimentstion or helping
But I think like, to be acceptable it has to be same generation - like a parent or aunt uncle with a teen is abuse

i agree