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Max the Disenchanter
July 1st, 2018, 01:43 AM
When Donald Trump ran for president, he pledged he would be an LGBT ally, even carrying an "LGBTs for Trump" rainbow pride flag at a rally in 2016. Shortly after he reached the Oval Office, the White House announced, “President Trump continues to be respectful and supportive of LGBTQ rights."

It hasn’t worked out that way.

This is now the second year Trump has gone without acknowledging LGBT Pride Month. But more critically, Trump and his administration have aggressively rolled back and fought against LGBT rights.

For the end of Pride Month, BuzzFeed News has compiled a list, based on their reporting from the past 17 months, of those anti-LGBT efforts. They include:


1. Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.

Last October, Attorney General Jeff Sessions reversed a federal policy that said transgender workers were protected from discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This new position runs contrary to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission — a federal agency — and numerous federal courts, which have found Title VII does protect transgender workers. For example, the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in March that Title VII protects transgender workers even if the employer raises a religious objection.

2. Arguing that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay.

The Justice Department made an unexpected move last July when it stepped into in a major federal lawsuit to argue the Civil Rights Act of 1964 doesn’t protect gay workers from discrimination. The Trump administration’s filing was unusual in part because the Justice Department wasn’t a party in the case, and the department doesn’t typically weigh in on private employment lawsuits. Further, the Justice Department was fighting against a separate, autonomous federal agency that had supported a gay man's case. The court ruled in favor of gay rights, but the Trump administration hasn’t reversed its stance that it’s legal under federal law to fire employees for being gay.

3. Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners.

The Bureau of Prisons rolled back rules on May 11 that had allowed transgender inmates to use facilities, including cell blocks and bathrooms, that match their gender identity. The Trump administration was reversing course on an Obama administration effort to protect transgender prisoners from sexual abuse and assault. Federal officials now “will use biological sex” to determine the type of housing transgender inmates are assigned, resulting in conditions that increase the likelihood of rape for transgender women. The administration won't explain how they will determine who is transgender and who isn’t.

4. Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBT customers.

In a surprise move last September, the Trump administration supported a Christian bakery owner in Colorado who refused to make a cake for a gay couple's wedding. The Justice Department filed a brief at the Supreme Court that argued the baker's religious convictions allow him to sidestep Colorado law, which bans businesses from anti-LGBT discrimination. US Solicitor General Noel Francisco also took up argument time at the Supreme Court's oral hearing in December to support the baker, even though the federal government wasn’t a party to the case.

5. Withdrawing protections for transgender students.

Weeks after taking office, the Trump administration withdrew guidance that said Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 bans anti-transgender discrimination in federally funded schools. That Obama era policy had said transgender students must be treated in accordance with their gender identity in classes, sports, and school facilities. As such, it instructed schools to give transgender students access to gender-appropriate restrooms and locker rooms.

6. Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools.

In April 2018, the Education Department told BuzzFeed News that it wasn’t investigating or taking action on any complaints filed by transgender students banned from restrooms that match their gender identity. Up to that point, Trump administration officials had simply said they were still considering the whether Title IX covered transgender students. Officials did not answer questions about how the department reconciles its new position with circuit court rulings that conflict with their position. The Education Department also hasn’t said why it won’t accept complaints arising from students inside those circuits (which encompass Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, Tennessee, and Wisconsin).

7. Trying to kick transgender people out of the military.

In July 2017, Trump announced he would ban transgender people from serving in the military in any capacity, thereby reversing a policy created under the Obama administration. He claimed he had consulted "[his] generals" and determined that transgender people would harm troop readiness. But his top general wasn’t consulted and federal courts found no evidence to support the president’s claims. One judge called the president’s claims "capricious, arbitrary, and unqualified," and added they were “shocking.” Four courts blocked his ban, but the Justice Department is still fighting to enact it and the Pentagon has issued recommendations on how to fully implement the policy.

8. Issuing a religious liberty policy.

Attorney General Sessions instructed federal agencies and attorneys in October to protect religious liberty in a broad, yet vague, guidance memo that critics fear could give people of faith — including government workers and contractors — a loophole to ignore federal bans on discrimination against women and LGBT people. The memo says officials should construe the Constitution and existing federal law in favor of religious rights. Sessions was asked by Congress in October if the guidance would allow federal employees and federal contractors to discriminate against LGBT people, but Sessions refused to answer.

9. Starting to rescind protections for transgender patients.

After a US District Court judge in Northern Texas blocked the Obama administration's protections for transgender patients and women seeking abortions, the Trump administration stopped defending the rules. The Department of Health and Human Services rewrote the policy, which is currently pending at the Office of Management and Budget.

10. Declining to appoint an LGBT liaison for the White House.

Trump doesn’t have an LGBT liaison at the White House, a position that previously served under President Barack Obama as a conduit between the executive branch and organizations — and individuals — when decisions were made on LGBT policies. The last White House LGBT liaison under President Obama had said she was afraid this would happen.

11. Protecting healthcare workers who don’t help transgender patients.

The Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Civil Rights created a division in January to protect health workers with moral or religious objections to performing certain procedures, including abortions or sex-reassignment surgery for transgender patients.

12. Dropping its lawsuit against North Carolina’s anti-transgender law.

The Department of Justice dropped a lawsuit, which began under President Obama, that challenged a North Carolina law that restricted transgender people’s use of bathrooms. The move last year came weeks after North Carolina lawmakers repealed part of the state's anti-transgender law and replaced it with a different anti-LGBT law. Transgender people sued the state again, this time, without the Justice Department’s assistance.

13. Retracting plans to count LGBT people in the Census.

Last year, the Trump administration retracted a proposal to collect demographic information on LGBT people in the 2020 Census. Critics say that not asking citizens about their sexual orientation and gender identity — like other characteristics — undermines the government’s ability to craft policies that serve LGBT people’s health, safety, and other needs. The Department of Health and Human Services, meanwhile, has also said that a survey of older Americans would no longer collect information on LGBT people.

[Source (https://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/trump-lgbt-anti-actions-administration-pride-month?utm_term=.bizl3dJKW#.xo5xQM9mz)]

samuel15
July 1st, 2018, 03:07 AM
I don't think Trump is anti-LGBT. Being president is a hard job and trying to please everyone is impossible, I'm not saying this is fair for LGBT- people but you have to Consider the rest of the country as well.

Max the Disenchanter
July 1st, 2018, 11:12 AM
I don't think Trump is anti-LGBT. Being president is a hard job and trying to please everyone is impossible, I'm not saying this is fair for LGBT- people but you have to Consider the rest of the country as well.

I literally just gave you a list 13 examples that document Trump Administration's anti-LGBT actions. What more evidence do you need?

Brandon618
July 1st, 2018, 11:18 AM
Thanks Max for this. For a self assured straight boy you are a welcome friend.

HeyCameron
July 1st, 2018, 11:57 AM
I don't think Trump is personally against LGBT people, but he will do anything to please his base so he is going to find himself in a position to support policies that ultimately harm LGBT people. For example, he once stated before he was president that he didn't care if people were trans, he seemed to have no issue with it, but then he supported the move to ban trans people from the military. I doubt it was out of any personal opinion on the matter, but if it's what the people he works with want, then he will support it. That's part of why I never would've voted for him.

samuel15
July 1st, 2018, 11:59 AM
I literally just gave you a list 13 examples that document Trump Administration's anti-LGBT actions. What more evidence do you need?

I guess I like to see the positive side of life.

I don't think Trump is personally against LGBT people, but he will do anything to please his base so he is going to find himself in a position to support policies that ultimately harm LGBT people.

That's what I was trying to say, you expressed it way better than me!

Posts merged. Use the multi quote button next time. ~Mars

lliam
July 1st, 2018, 12:46 PM
I see it this way:

By not being as supportive as Donald claims to be, LGBT people now have the evidence that they need to do even more lobbying until their goals, whatever they may be, come true.

This means they need to develop new strategies that are more effective than those they have used in the past.

The learning process continues.

Imo, that's rather better than being happily satiefied with what you think you've achieved, but then being brutally awakened by reality, to realize that one has actually accomplished nothing, or much less than imagined.


So Trump is in the opposite sense a good supporter of the LGBT community. Even if just on an involuntary basis.

HeyCameron
July 1st, 2018, 12:50 PM
^I think that's also true. Many of these issues I didn't even know about. And many LGBT people became complacent once same-sex marriage was passed. There are many more issues at stake than just SSM. It was never the be-all end-all.

PlasmaHam
July 1st, 2018, 01:06 PM
I don't think Trump particularly cares about LGBTQQIP2SAA+ issues. While a big part of the Obama administration was social change, Trump is focusing moreso on economic and foreign relations. Most of these things you cited, like not mentioning pride month, not having a White House LGBT+ liaison, not including it in the 2020 census, seem rather petty to me. As for the other things, they are either Trump continuing standard conservative policy that businesses should have fair rights in hiring, firing, and service, that there shouldn't be special protections and rights for certain groups, and that religious liberty should be protected. And to be honest, I think most of that either stems from Trump's advisors or attempts to appeal to his conservative base. After all, even if Trump fully supports LGBT+ rights, he is very unlikely to actually persuade the largely leftist LGBT+ community to vote for him.



As for Trump not being so aggressive to employ the Justice Department to fight against so-called anti-LGBT laws, one of the major critiques of the Obama Administration was their frequent use of the Justice Department to pursue political ends. Jeff Sessions, the Trump Admin Attorney General, is especially against it. Of course that doesn't mean that the Justice Department is not defending LGBT+ at all. A case back in October which involved the murder of a transgender kid got special attention and backing from the Trump Justice Department. But it does mean that you are unlikely to see the Justice Department involved in attempting to repeal state or local laws which some say are LGBT+ discriminatory.

mattsmith48
July 2nd, 2018, 12:23 PM
Trump is not more anti-LGBTQ then anyone else in that party, he's actually one of the less bad ones in that party. On this the party is the problem, not the person.

Dmaxd123
July 2nd, 2018, 05:06 PM
I don't think Trump is anti-LGBT. Being president is a hard job and trying to please everyone is impossible, I'm not saying this is fair for LGBT- people but you have to Consider the rest of the country as well.

i think you hit the nail on the head. not that the LGBT community isn't important but the president has to choose where to put his focus and he is a business man not a feel good try to please everyone man.

doesn't mean he is anti-LGBT just not a top priority and some of the stuff is just being pulled on a national level so a state, school district, or individual business can make informed decisions for themselves without as much federal oversight.

all in all i think it's just trumps way of saying a lot of the buzzfeed grievances could really be handled on a state or lower basis not using federal taxpayer money

mattsmith48
July 7th, 2018, 11:12 AM
i think you hit the nail on the head. not that the LGBT community isn't important but the president has to choose where to put his focus and he is a business man not a feel good try to please everyone man.

doesn't mean he is anti-LGBT just not a top priority and some of the stuff is just being pulled on a national level so a state, school district, or individual business can make informed decisions for themselves without as much federal oversight.

all in all i think it's just trumps way of saying a lot of the buzzfeed grievances could really be handled on a state or lower basis not using federal taxpayer money

A normal president can focus on more then one issue at the time, I know this one is different, but come on.

kyle2003
July 8th, 2018, 01:13 PM
I don't think Trump particularly cares about LGBTQQIP2SAA+ issues. While a big part of the Obama administration was social change, Trump is focusing moreso on economic and foreign relations.

I would agree that LGBT issues are not his primary concern. I would also add that another one of his primary concerns has been peeling back what he believers to be executive and judicial branch over reaches. Thus his administrations repealing of DACA, the ruling on transgender student accommodations, and EPA rules along with the appointment of constructionist judges. So I don’t believe he is targeting the LGBT community.

Let’s not forget that Trump only cares about the things that personally affect him. Until he is personally affected by LGBT issues he won’t really focus on LGBT rights. But I don’t think this means he is against the LGBT community.

Uniquemind
July 8th, 2018, 07:53 PM
I would agree that LGBT issues are not his primary concern. I would also add that another one of his primary concerns has been peeling back what he believers to be executive and judicial branch over reaches. Thus his administrations repealing of DACA, the ruling on transgender student accommodations, and EPA rules along with the appointment of constructionist judges. So I don’t believe he is targeting the LGBT community.

Let’s not forget that Trump only cares about the things that personally affect him. Until he is personally affected by LGBT issues he won’t really focus on LGBT rights. But I don’t think this means he is against the LGBT community.

Maybe not, but he did make and get behind trying to get LGBTQ soldiers out of the branches of the military.

We must not forget that about a president, the people who surround them and seem to have effective ways of whispering in their ears and therefore only have 1 degree of separation from shaping policy.



But I agree he's targeting more than one issue, but he's changing things across the board in a bad way, especially economically and unofficially in terms of resetting norms of what is acceptable behavior for people both as citizens and "in-office".

mattsmith48
July 9th, 2018, 01:43 PM
Let’s not forget that Trump only cares about the things that personally affect him. Until he is personally affected by LGBT issues he won’t really focus on LGBT rights. But I don’t think this means he is against the LGBT community.

Would Mike Pence coming out of the closet affect him enough to care about LGBTQ issues?

Merk
July 9th, 2018, 03:55 PM
That's actually pretty funny xD

To respond to the main topic, I don't think Trump is at all Anti LGBT, he just hasn't been pushing the harmful, feel-good Lefty policies. Laws don't change ideologies. I someone doesn't like gay people, no law will change that. Ever. But that's not what I'm here for.

I would like to point out that if there's a single demographic of any people who are many times more likely to commit suicide due to mental illness, would you want them to be in charge of protecting our country? At least until we find the real source of this illness, and find a way to mitigate the illness?

Max the Disenchanter
July 9th, 2018, 04:55 PM
That's actually pretty funny xD

To respond to the main topic, I don't think Trump is at all Anti LGBT, he just hasn't been pushing the harmful, feel-good Lefty policies. Laws don't change ideologies. I someone doesn't like gay people, no law will change that. Ever. But that's not what I'm here for.

I would like to point out that if there's a single demographic of any people who are many times more likely to commit suicide due to mental illness, would you want them to be in charge of protecting our country? At least until we find the real source of this illness, and find a way to mitigate the illness?

Let's pretend that what you wrote has any merit. What do you think causes mental illness among LGBT that leads to suicide? Could it be social exclusion hardened by discriminatory laws and practices from an oppressive, ignorant majority?

Arkansasguy
July 9th, 2018, 05:17 PM
God bless Trump.

bonbon
July 9th, 2018, 07:46 PM
I would like to point out that if there's a single demographic of any people who are many times more likely to commit suicide due to mental illness, would you want them to be in charge of protecting our country? At least until we find the real source of this illness, and find a way to mitigate the illness?
And following the same logic, shouldn't everyone taking anti-depressant drugs regularly alsi be excluded from any such job? And what about those who suffered from a burnout in the past? And those who had under-average IQ? Following your argument, you could exclude pretty much anybody you don't agree with, on totally subjective assumptions ("those guys could maybe commit more suicide, it could be because of a mental illness, and that could make them unsuitable for work").

I don't see how being suicidal would prevent someone to protect his country in time of needs (actually, it could be the opposite: one could postulate that someone like that wouldn't fear death, and thus would be better-suited for dangerous tasks!). And I don't think any study ever established that the suicide percentage in the LGBT communities was higher due to a mental illness.

Uniquemind
July 11th, 2018, 06:03 AM
God bless Trump.

He might be referenced in the Bible as the treacherous dealer who deals treacherously in Revelation.

Obviously that line of scripture alone doesn’t speak well of God’s opinion of him. I’d watch out who you bless, when the blessings aren’t warranted according to scriptural contexts.

Murk, your statement is unfair as it presupposes a linear cause for mental illness which goes against everything psychology and biology teach us in middle and high school. The environment is a multi variable causation source that triggers multiple illness both medical and psychological.

IfI had a super power to change the environment to one that did not put downward social negative judgments on non-straight individuals, the foundation of why they are mentally ill to use your vernacular might go away....meaning it’s not gene related, it’s social judgment culture that is more of the cause.

Merk
July 11th, 2018, 02:48 PM
I didn't specify any definitive group, I said a single demographic of any people this would apply to anyone. If there was a problem with white males between the ages of 27-31 who have a 5x greater likelyhood to kill themselves, with reason not yet definitive my selection of words would apply to then as well.

I didn't want to go down this road, I could go further, with facts and research, but I didn't and still don't. I provided the necessary amount to make my point. And I'm very surprised you guys were so fast to be prejudice about my statement.

hayley2003
July 28th, 2018, 10:21 PM
I am surprised trump has not out-ed Senator Lindsey Graham using one of trump's offense nicknames. probably already has one pick out, just waiting for the right time to use it.

mattsmith48
July 28th, 2018, 11:20 PM
I am surprised trump has not out-ed Senator Lindsey Graham using one of trump's obsessive nicknames. probably already has one pick out, just waiting for the right time to use it.

Usually he keeps his nicknames for his closest opponents as far as I remember Lindsey Graham never really threaten Trump from the moment he started his campaign up until now.

hayley2003
July 29th, 2018, 02:29 AM
... as if he has ethical standards for when and who he decides to belittle as president. love to see his ethical logic written down. "whenever" ..lol

mattsmith48
July 29th, 2018, 12:02 PM
hayley2003 just a little piece of advice here when you respond to someone in these threads better to quote the person you are responding to so they can find the reply quicker and that someone doesn't take something out of context.

... as if he has ethical standards for when and who he decides to belittle as president. love to see his ethical logic written down. "whenever" ..lol

Its not really ethical standards its more a 'you're not worth wasting my time on you' mentality