Canada holds children in immigration detention too

[Nicky47]

https://ihrp.law.utoronto.ca/page/working-group-and-clinic-reports/invisible-citizens wheres the outrage? If trump is hitler is trudeu stalin? Again educate yourself before you believe media hype trump isnt the first or last to detain illegal immigrants the story is just conducive to the narrative the media wants the sheep to hear

Italy https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/pack-your-bags-italys-new-leaders-tell-500000-illegal-migrants--but-itll-cost-them.html
Japan https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/social-issues/illegal-overstayers-re-detained-detention-centers-released/#.WzDrTv8pBhE

Double posts merged.

[Jinglebottom]

Reminder to please be respectful and discuss politely no matter what. Users who break the rules will be dealt with accordingly.

[Vlerchan]

The entire western establishment is bankrupt on immigration.

Though it's also worth noting that the Canadian law poses this as a last resort, and as a resort it must meet a host of criteria including the child's best interests.

In other words, you have to demonstrate it's essential to their safety of general welfare.

So your point is bankrupt, too.

[ShineintheDark]

Want some pepper to go with that salt? Jk, let's get into this.

First, let's tackle the Canada source: you are correct in asserting that the US is not the only country in the whole world to detain children separately from their parents and, if you took the time to read the source, you'd also see it clearly stated many times that the treatment and situation of these migrants has already been widely protested and debated to the point of the government taking active measures to try and rectify the situation. In short, Canadians protested and the government responded, no different to the US.
In terms of the Italian source, the policy s more to do with the populist far-right party in coalition rather than long-standing policy. Even then, literally every group involved in the situation bar the party in question have made it clear that it's a terrible and costly idea that does no good bar completing a campaign promise made by that party. Even then, we all know that policy will be abandoned ASAP as soon as attention turns away from it as even far-right populists wouldn't bankrupt their country just to make some voters happy. Migrants held in Sicily are done so less as a temporary immigration protocol and more of a humanitarian purpose as the alternative is letting them drown in the sea and, as much as Lauren Southern and her band of American conservatives love getting in the way of European humanitarian missions just to prove a point, no one's gonna let them die.
As for japan, well its migration problem is on a much lower scale to the US: it's an island off the cast of Asia, majority of the migrants that come there have already traveled through half of the continent to get there so the number of applicants and illegal arrivals are relatively low compared to the other developed nations. That said, Japan has had a famously harsh and restricted immigration system for a very long time. You can admire it or you can despise it, but their acceptance of migrants is little different to their treatment of people who have followed all of the regulations. it's unpopular but I'm no expert on Japanese politics and immigration.

Or, you know, we could follow the policy you stated in another forum and tell you that you're just some foreigner that knows nothing of these politics and denounce your points as rambling of media-obsessed sheep. You know, since that's how an open debate works. :)

[lliam]

So all states do that. What a surprise. Some mentioned that more or less a few times in similar ways in mattsmith48's own thread. And Matt never gots it. I'm afraid to say, that will not be any different with this thread.


btw: Researched for the UK too?

[Nicky47]

So all states do that. What a surprise. Some mentioned that more or less a few times in similar ways in mattsmith48's own thread. And Matt never gots it. I'm afraid to say, that will not be any different with this thread.


btw: Researched for the UK too?

Ask and ye shall receive http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-detention-in-the-uk/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6135773/immigration-crisis-laid-bare-as-27000-illegal-immigrants-arrested-in-britain-over-four-years/

BUt WEare the ones who need to ''educate'' ourselves and i guess the whole world is hitler now ay? Saw Australia had tortured detainees on an island

[Dalcourt]

So guess that just tells us that nobody in our world learned from the inhumane and evil deeds that where done in the past. We just repeat whatever ugly things have been done and just try to justify our deeds by pointing fingers at others.

A sad state our whole world is in.

[lliam]

A sad state our whole world is in.


As a pathological optimist, I think that should widen mattsmith48's perspective not just to focus on Trump.



Nicky47 - Thank's for the prompt delivery.

[mattsmith48]

Like Vlerchan said this is suppose to be last resort and the child's best interest is suppose to be priority.

I would add that it wasn't done on the same scale as what the US did, taking almost every children. It doesn't change that locking up children is a terrible thing that should never happen under any circumstances and if/when it happens we absolutely should all be outraged and protest the practice.

Also this shouldn't be used as justification that because someone else did something bad it means I can do the same thing.

[Max the Disenchanter]

So you're using this last resort policy to defend Trump's evil policies? Cool brio

[Nicky47]

So you're using this last resort policy to defend Trump's evil policies? Cool brio

So by that standard canada japan Australia and the UK are all evil too OMG its the WW3 Axis powers how could we have not seenthat all this time thank god for civil rights in Mexico

[Max the Disenchanter]

So by that standard canada japan Australia and the UK are all evil too OMG its the WW3 Axis powers how could we have not seenthat all this time thank god for civil rights in Mexico

Trump has systemically ripped children from their parents for seeking asylum in the United States. They had no system in place to reunite these families and there's a good chance that some children, specifically babies and toddlers, may never be reunited.

But please keep defending this evil practice.

[Nicky47]

Trump has systemically ripped children from their parents for seeking asylum in the United States. They had no system in place to reunite these families and there's a good chance that some children, specifically babies and toddlers, may never be reunited.

But please keep defending this evil practice.

Canada does it Australia tortured illegals on a remote island if blobama did this you wouldnt say a peep its just another convenient anti trump bull cuz thats whats 'hip'

[Max the Disenchanter]

Canada does it Australia tortured illegals on a remote island if blobama did this you wouldnt say a peep its just another convenient anti trump bull cuz thats whats 'hip'

It's horrible that this is happening in other countries, but that's not an excuse. It should never happen in the U. S. It never happened at this scale in any previous administration and when it did happen it was at last resort. Yeah, I'm anti Trump because his policies are racist and evil.

[Nicky47]

It's horrible that this is happening in other countries, but that's not an excuse. It should never happen in the U. S. It never happened at this scale in any previous administration and when it did happen it was at last resort. Yeah, I'm anti Trump because his policies are racist and evil.

Please do your research before you spew things you know nothing about http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

[Max the Disenchanter]

Please do your research before you spew things you know nothing about http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

Daily Caller? Wow. Anyway, I'm done talking to you.

[Bakingboy03]

As a Canadian citizen I do not agree with this practice at all, but I believe it is very difficult to compare these practices to Trumps Practices. First of all the recorded 200+ children who where under immigration detention where under the Conservative Prime minister Steven Harper. The whole practice started in 2011 under his government so there shouldn’t be any real blame on Justin Trudeau or his government. Canada also implemented polices where the parents where able to see and vist their children. something the Trump administration never did and only started to stop the practice after extreme pressure. Although there where some flaws in the Canadian visting system, I can say that comparing a act with separating 2000+ children with the act of 200+ is quite different. I think instead of trying to screw over other countries we need to work together so all immigrants are able to live normal and safe lives they deserve. Also its spelled Trudeau not Trudeu.
~Brandon

[Nicky47]

Daily Caller? Wow. Anyway, I'm done talking to you.

Your very good at avoiding when people prove you wrong a simple google will show thats not the only story you liberals think this stuff magically popped up clinton bush and blobama all had the same practice protecting our border and enforcement of LAWS if you want to immigrate here theres a procedure thousands do it every day you choose to break the law thats on you not the people enforcing it for the better of its own people you prob live in some cushy northern state but down here the closer to Mexico you get the greater danger you face thats a FACT because i LIVE here they scare the hell out of people here for how violent they are IE MS13 but you would never know that so for once walk in other peoples shoes who have to deal with the problems you ideology creates

[Max the Disenchanter]

Your very good at avoiding when people prove you wrong a simple google will show thats not the only story you liberals think this stuff magically popped up clinton bush and blobama all had the same practice protecting our border and enforcement of LAWS if you want to immigrate here theres a procedure thousands do it every day you choose to break the law thats on you not the people enforcing it for the better of its own people you prob live in some cushy northern state but down here the closer to Mexico you get the greater danger you face thats a FACT because i LIVE here they scare the hell out of people here for how violent they are IE MS13 but you would never know that so for once walk in other peoples shoes who have to deal with the problems you ideology creates

You didn't prove me wrong. Trump's policy is unique: as separating families is the default response. In previous modern administations have only separated families as alast resort and usually when the child's life was in danger. There's a procedure for asylum that the Trump Administration has completely ignored. They treat asylum seekers like trespassers, which goes against U.S. laws.

Most undocumented immigrants are escaping violence. Trump tries to compare all Hispanics to MS-13. It works because most of his supporters are racist.

I don't really believe a word you say. You have shown your true colors.

[Nicky47]

You didn't prove me wrong. Trump's policy is unique: as separating families is the default response. In previous modern administations have only separated families as alast resort and usually when the child's life was in danger. There's a procedure for asylum that the Trump Administration has completely ignored. They treat asylum seekers like trespassers, which goes against U.S. laws.

Most undocumented immigrants are escaping violence. Trump tries to compare all Hispanics to MS-13. It works because most of his supporters are racist.

I don't really believe a word you say. You have shown your true colors.

How is his policy new when if you took 5 min to google youd see blobama and bush and clinton all held the same policy its just a story now for some reason you dont have to believe anything i say ive been the only one of us to support what i post with facts research and links while you just spew opinions in a real debate it wouldnt even be close because of that you have no idea what real people deal with because of illegal Immigrants in my state but clearly you care about the safety of people who aren't supposed to be here over the safety of actual citizens

[Tim the Enchanter]

How is his policy new when if you took 5 min to google youd see blobama and bush and clinton all held the same policy its just a story now for some reason you dont have to believe anything i say ive been the only one of us to support what i post with facts research and links while you just spew opinions in a real debate it wouldnt even be close because of that you have no idea what real people deal with because of illegal Immigrants in my state but clearly you care about the safety of people who aren't supposed to be here over the safety of actual citizens

Chill bro haha, this policy isn't a Clinton or Obama era policy. This policy of family separation was first announced in May by Jeff Sessions.

http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/

[Nicky47]

Chill bro haha, this policy isn't a Clinton or Obama era policy. This policy of family separation was first announced in May by Jeff Sessions.

http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/

Yet blobama still held illegals and children in detention camps so explain that how about how blobama deported more illegals than any other president https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/

[Nicky47]

Chill bro haha, this policy isn't a Clinton or Obama era policy. This policy of family separation was first announced in May by Jeff Sessions.

http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/

Also for your supposed 'new' trump plan heres proof blobama did it too http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/years-backlash-obama-policy-on-illegal-immigrants-children-was-also-slammed-by-critics.html

[Tim the Enchanter]

Yet blobama still held illegals and children in detention camps so explain that how about how blobama deported more illegals than any other president https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-deported-more-people/

Sure I'll explain, firstly that just puts a strike through every single Republican's argument that Democrats are so in love with illegal immigrants. Not to mention the problem isn't detaining families, it's separating the children from the parents.

Also what's pretty funny is the link you gave just right now disproves what you just said. And I quote,

"That statistic was due in large part to a change in how "deportations" are defined rather than to an increase in the number of persons deported."

[Tim the Enchanter]

BUt WEare the ones who need to ''educate'' ourselves and i guess the whole world is hitler now ay? Saw Australia had tortured detainees on an island

Think you need to calm down

[Nicky47]

Sure I'll explain, firstly that just puts a strike through every single Republican's argument that Democrats are so in love with illegal immigrants. Not to mention the problem isn't detaining families, it's separating the children from the parents.

Also what's pretty funny is the link you gave just right now disproves what you just said. And I quote,

"That statistic was due in large part to a change in how "deportations" are defined rather than to an increase in the number of persons deported."

A change made by blobama to deport more!!!!!!

[Tim the Enchanter]

A change made by blobama to deport more!!!!!!

Ok? I'm not sure anyone is trying to defend Obama's policy, and frankly it doesn't make it alright for Trump to do it. That's some elementary school justifying of crap

[Nicky47]

Ok? I'm not sure anyone is trying to defend Obama's policy, and frankly it doesn't make it alright for Trump to do it. That's some elementary school justifying of crap

So wheres the Obama is hitler post?

[Tim the Enchanter]

So wheres the Obama is hitler post?

Obama is hitler, oops I said it, consider it already done let's move on now.

[Uniquemind]

So wheres the Obama is hitler post?

First off, not everyone agreed with that statement that max02 made about that comparison.

So it’s not even equal to come at the rest of us as if that statement was defensible at face value and I at least recognized sentiment of why that statement was made rather than criticizing it literally.


No doubt boarderline states need to round up illegals who are causing grief for people like you.

The problem is the laws on the books already allow for violent or criminal offenders to be deported and not protected under DACA or any asylum laws.


All your grievances seem to imply criminal behavior or rape or murder or battery or assault do too illegals in your area. That sounds like a local law enforcement problem to me, not something to blame federal laws for.

[Nicky47]

First off, not everyone agreed with that statement that max02 made about that comparison.

So it’s not even equal to come at the rest of us as if that statement was defensible at face value and I at least recognized sentiment of why that statement was made rather than criticizing it literally.


No doubt boarderline states need to round up illegals who are causing grief for people like you.

The problem is the laws on the books already allow for violent or criminal offenders to be deported and not protected under DACA or any asylum laws.


All your grievances seem to imply criminal behavior or rape or murder or battery or assault do too illegals in your area. That sounds like a local law enforcement problem to me, not something to blame federal laws for.

Its federal if those people shouldnt have been here to begin with local still handles them they serve a prison sentence (at our tax expense ) then get deported after the time is up

[Max the Disenchanter]

Its federal if those people shouldnt have been here to begin with local still handles them they serve a prison sentence (at our tax expense ) then get deported after the time is up

Crossing the border illegally is federal misdemeanor. Misdemeanors should not result in indefinite detention and the separation of your child. Seeking asylum is a legal process that the Trump Administration pretends doesn't exist.

[Nicky47]

Crossing the border illegally is federal misdemeanor. Misdemeanors should not result in indefinite detention and the separation of your child. Seeking asylum is a legal process that the Trump Administration pretends doesn't exist.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/09/un-reports-australias-immigration-detention-breaches-torture-convention