Comparison Between The US and Nazi Germany

[mattsmith48]

I am of course referring to the situation with the child prisons. My question is it a fair comparison? The people during the campaign who compared Trump to Hitler, can they say ''I told you so'' yet or is it too soon? Do we really have to wait until they start killing those children?

[Vlerchan]

My question is it a fair comparison?
Efforts to associate the Trump administration with the Nazi's significantly underplay the scale of the atrocities committed by the Nazis.

Unnecessarily leveraging the memory these atrocities for rhetorical advantage--as has been, is being, and will be done--is bad.

[ShineintheDark]

The comparisons made are true for all nations run by Populist figures: Nazi Germany, Musselini's Italy, modern day US, Syria etc etc. I think Trump's administration is far from the best and has a lot of improvements to make before they earn my respect but immediately going to the 'Nazi' end is a little trigger-happy.

[inactiveguy678]

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We all know what you doing lol. But I'll answer anyway.

No of course not we may argue its racially targeted but its obviously not about ethnic cleansing. Its just a more extreme version of enforcing the law. Before anyone asks "it's only a matter of time before he goes too far". I think you just too little faith and underestimate Americans too much. If the thousands of students who marched against gun violence could do it what more if this happens and you better be sure it going to go on a much larger scale.

Its just some privileged white person pushing the right buttons to send a message non genocidically. Do you think a massacre or a genocide would fly in 2018 Post PC tumblrina world. No unless you live in a 3rd world council where the Commission on Human Rights gets a $20 budget. McDonald's what!?!

http://time.com/4939044/philippines-human-rights-budget-rodrigo-duterte/

[Nicky47]

Shouldnt you focus on your own country? People compared obama to dictators too your just feeding shock journalists....child prisons give me a break

[PlasmaHam]

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I haven't used this in awhile now, I thought you had finally grown out of insisting that everything everything Trump does make him Hitler 2.0. I guess I was wrong.

[Nicky47]

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I haven't used this in awhile now, I thought you had finally grown out of insisting that everything everything Trump does make him Hitler 2.0. I guess I was wrong.

You made my day!

[Jinglebottom]

Please keep this discussion constructive.

[inactiveguy678]

Please keep this discussion constructive.

No offence but I don't think this discussion will be constructive its just part 2: the remix of the Trump is Evil thread and we all know people will go Mortal Combat on each other here in the next few hours...

[Dmaxd123]

honest question:

In Canada if the parents of a minor break the law and go to jail what happens to the kid?

[Jinglebottom]

No offence but I don't think this discussion will be constructive its just part 2: the remix of the Trump is Evil thread and we all know people will go Mortal Combat on each other here in the next few hours...
Hey, we'll see ;)

[lliam]

In Canada if the parents of a minor break the law and go to jail what happens to the kid?

It'll live with relatives or face foster care


btw 2t:

Please never compare Trump with Hitler again. That's cultural appropriation.


But you can have Merkel. For free.

[inactiveguy678]

It'll live with relatives or face foster care


btw 2t:

Please never compare Trump with Hitler again. That's cultural appropriation.


But you can have Merkel. For free.

i'll take her as long as you take D*30 and I'll add in [email protected] U$0n for free! (lol gotta scramble the names coz you never know if they google alert themselves lol

[Dmaxd123]

It'll live with relatives or face foster care


For free.

exactly the current situation at the border is the parents are breaking the law so the children are sent into a temporary social services situation until everything can be sorted out.


so we aren't treating the children of illegals any differently than we would the children of US citizens who are breaking laws this is just a larger number of law breakers concentrated in one location therefore they have to adjust how they house the kids

does it suck? absolutely but it could be resolved by going through the process of crossing the boarder legally

has zero to do with us/nazi germany it's just a simple thing of following the rules

[TheMagicPotato]

The fact that people think that Trump's management compares to the horrific actions made by the Nazis is very depressing.

I don't like Trump, not by a long shot. But, it's not like I'm going to compare him to one of the most terrible persons that ever lived on this planet. That's just plainly stupid.

[mattsmith48]

So I guess the answer is we have to wait for the US government to start killing them before comparing it to Nazi Germany.


Please never compare Trump with Hitler again. That's cultural appropriation.


Wow claiming cultural appropriation on the Nazis, thats gotta be a first.

Actually cultural appropriation would be acting like the Nazis not comparing someone to them.

[lliam]

Wow claiming cultural appropriation on the Nazis, thats gotta be a first..

There's always a first.


Anyway, I now lived in Canada for 275 days and know that Canadians are friendly, but also very serious people.

So I apologize for your inconvenience to have taken my unfortunate arranged post seriously, which is why the implied slightly irony of the post didn't get your attention. But you know, we Germans and humor ... :(


Have a nice summer !

[Vlerchan]

So I guess the answer is we have to wait for the US government to start killing them before comparing it to Nazi Germany.
If by "start killing [children]" you mean "emulate Nazi policy" then, yes, that would be correct.

[PlasmaHam]

Wow claiming cultural appropriation on the Nazis, thats gotta be a first.

Please be respectful of German culture. You got to remember that the Germans have long been an oppressed group in America, and your flagrant disregard for their culture and history is just perpetuating it. My own ancestors came from Germany and faced persecution and hardships that still affect me to this day. You mocking their people, my people, is greatly disheartening.

[BlackParadePixie]

No, it is not a fair comparison at all. This is a great troll thread.

[Nicky47]

Democrats have serious become the biggest drama queen divas in the world it truly bothers me college kids actually needed cry rooms and petting zoos to console them for losing a election seriously

[DriveAlive]

The Nazis are the reason why my family is so small. I lost so much in the Holocaust and I find your attempt at associating that with Trump to be simply disgusting.

[Nicky47]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDsYV-L9O90 this guy is my hero you dont get to pet a pony lmao!!!!

[Vlerchan]

It's notable that Kaufman removed the component of the bill which limited state funding to schools which had safe spaces and cry-ins and what not.

[Stronk Serb]

I feel offended by this, my family was victims of ethnic cleansing by Nazis and their Croat puppets.

Ustash soldiers barging into a school, raping a teacher in front of the children, then gutting the children and spreading their entrails around the classroom as if it were christmas decorations, seeing a boy hide, flaying his arms and putting salt at them. Is that equal to the Trump administration? I mean the Croat Ustashe government which was a client state to Italy and Germany commited so much attrocities and cases of genocide against Serbs, Jews and gypsies. The Italian authorities many times tried to prevent massacres like this because those were so horrible that Serbs who lost everything would literally go on to join the resistance and take a vow of vengeance.

Or German soldiers coming to a school in Kragujevac and shooting 350 children because a few Germans were wounded and some died during a clash with resistance forces. Is the Trump administration like that?

Did it start sending racially inferior peoples to death camps and labor camps?

Comparing that orange buffoon to Hitler and his government to the genocidal apparatus of Nazi Germany is an insult to everyone who suffered from it, died from it and fought against it.
mattsmith48

Read up on what the Nazis actually did and stop comparing the Trump administration to Nazi Germany.

[mattsmith48]

The Nazis are the reason why my family is so small. I lost so much in the Holocaust and I find your attempt at associating that with Trump to be simply disgusting.

Except that they haven't killed anyone, yet, tell me what's the difference between the US government rounding up immigrants, putting their children concentration camps and just randomly dumb people into Mexico, and what the Nazis did?

[PlasmaHam]

Except that they haven't killed anyone, yet, tell me what's the difference between the US government rounding up immigrants, putting their children concentration camps and just randomly dumb people into Mexico, and what the Nazis did?
The US government detains people who enter the country illegally per long-standing immigration law. They are then detained until an immigration judge is available to them, at which point they can make their case for asylum to be granted for them. If the judge decides not to grant them asylum, then they are returned back safely to their country of origin.

The Nazis forced millions of native, law-abiding German citizens into concentration camps simply because of their ethnicity. They tortured, killed, and experimented of those people simply out of a twisted sense of eugenics. They killed over 6 million people simply because of their bloodline.

Do you seriously not see a difference here?

[Nicky47]

The US government detains people who enter the country illegally per long-standing immigration law. They are then detained until an immigration judge is available to them, at which point they can make their case for asylum to be granted for them. If the judge decides not to grant them asylum, then they are returned back safely to their country of origin.

The Nazis forced millions of native, law-abiding German citizens into concentration camps simply because of their ethnicity. They tortured, killed, and experimented of those people simply out of a twisted sense of eugenics. They killed over 6 million people simply because of their bloodline.

Do you seriously not see a difference here?


Just like every other country will detain you if you try to sneak into it... try to sneak into Canada and see what happens, Mexico too... they will ALL detain you and send you back to your own country. USA isn't the exception to this, just liberals want to make you think that we are being lead by the extremists

[Drewboyy]

No offence but I don't think this discussion will be constructive its just part 2: the remix of the Trump is Evil thread and we all know people will go Mortal Combat on each other here in the next few hours...

I don't know about Trump, but you misspelling Mortal *Kombat is enough to make you literally Hitler.

!roleeyes

[inactiveguy678]

I don't know about Trump, but you misspelling Mortal *Kombat is enough to make you literally Hitler.

!roleeyes

Lol sorry autocorrect...

[PlasmaHam]

It's really hard to believe that we live in a day and age where people equate US border security to Nazi ethnic cleansing.


Get over your Trump obsession dude, it is unhealthy.

[Sailor Mars]

If this thread is repeatedly replied to with off topic comments or insulting remarks, it will be locked. ~Mars

[Nicky47]

It's really hard to believe that we live in a day and age where people equate US border security to Nazi ethnic cleansing.


Get over your Trump obsession dude, it is unhealthy.

Try to sneak into canada they dont exactly rolll out a red carpet for you but for some reason usa is expected to be held to do things no other country does

[PlasmaHam]

Tell me, Mattsmith, since you believe that the Trump Administration is the Fourth Reich, do you believe that violence against it is justified? Do you think that we ought to be getting up in arms and fighting against the Trump government? Do you think other countries should be declaring all-out war on the USA because of it's border policy? After all, what's the difference between the temporary detainment and removal of foreign nationals, and genocidal ethnic cleansing?


Try to sneak into canada they dont exactly rolll out a red carpet for you but for some reason usa is expected to be held to do things no other country does
There is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to immigration. Almost every other developed country in the world has an immigration policy equal to or stricter to that of the USA's, that is a fact. Yet foreigners act like the USA is wrong when they try to enforce laws that their own countries enforce, and they seem to have no problems with it. Now I'll be fair and remember that the US has a much different situation from most of the other developed countries. Most developed countries don't have such a long land border with a poorer country like Mexico, and most don't have 3%+ of their current population being illegal immigrants. However, these people advocating that the USA loosen its immigration laws are almost always the same people who say that America isn't any different from Europe and that we should be more like Europe, which means America should strengthen its immigration laws.

[mattsmith48]

The US government detains people who enter the country illegally per long-standing immigration law. They are then detained until an immigration judge is available to them, at which point they can make their case for asylum to be granted for them. If the judge decides not to grant them asylum, then they are returned back safely to their country of origin.

The Nazis forced millions of native, law-abiding German citizens into concentration camps simply because of their ethnicity. They tortured, killed, and experimented of those people simply out of a twisted sense of eugenics. They killed over 6 million people simply because of their bloodline.

Do you seriously not see a difference here?

You are taking away the children of people trying to get a better live for themselves and their family and putting all of them in jail because of where they came from. I'm sorry, but that's kinda sounds at least Nazi adjacent.

Tell me, Mattsmith, since you believe that the Trump Administration is the Fourth Reich, do you believe that violence against it is justified? Do you think that we ought to be getting up in arms and fighting against the Trump government? Do you think other countries should be declaring all-out war on the USA because of it's border policy? After all, what's the difference between the temporary detainment and removal of foreign nationals, and genocidal ethnic cleansing?

Violence is never justify and almost every time violence was used to overthrow the government whether it was their own population, own military or another country it almost always got worst.

As for what other countries should do all-out war not really the best idea this is the biggest, most powerful military in history. But I think sanctions against the US, not only for this but other things as well, would absolutely be justified. And thats from someone who lives in a country that would be greatly affected by this.

Try to sneak into canada they dont exactly rolll out a red carpet for you but for some reason usa is expected to be held to do things no other country does

There is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to immigration. Almost every other developed country in the world has an immigration policy equal to or stricter to that of the USA's, that is a fact. Yet foreigners act like the USA is wrong when they try to enforce laws that their own countries enforce, and they seem to have no problems with it. Now I'll be fair and remember that the US has a much different situation from most of the other developed countries. Most developed countries don't have such a long land border with a poorer country like Mexico, and most don't have 3%+ of their current population being illegal immigrants. However, these people advocating that the USA loosen its immigration laws are almost always the same people who say that America isn't any different from Europe and that we should be more like Europe, which means America should strengthen its immigration laws.

Well if you take the thousands of people who illegally crossed the border from the US last year as an example they were received by the RCMP who checked their identification and if they didn't pose any danger to anyone, they were given temporary accommodations where they could stay until their application for asylum was processed. They weren't treated like criminals, families weren't separated. They were treated like anyone else legally trying to cross the border or to claim refugee status here, with the small exception that people in the US legally crossing the border can't claim asylum here because of the Safe Third Country Agreement, which to quote Trump ''is a terrible deal''

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/rcmp-says-it-has-intercepted-3-800-asylum-seekers-crossing-illegally-into-quebec-since-aug-1-1.4250806

As for the other part it is understandable that countries that offer more socially will have higher requirements for immigrants with exceptions for refugees and asylum seekers. Also the criticism of the US from other countries is on how hard it is for refugees to get in and their treatment of undocumented immigrants.

[lliam]

You are taking away the children of people trying to get a better live for themselves and their family and putting all of them in jail because of where they came from. I'm sorry, but that's kinda sounds at least Nazi adjacent.


Please complete your "VT voice of reason" into "VT voice of no reason" or delete it totally.

This formulation and even the whole comparison with the Nazis is really pure idiocy. You can also phrase it strict but differently without being offensive.

[PlasmaHam]

You are taking away the children of people trying to get a better live for themselves and their family and putting all of them in jail because of where they came from. I'm sorry, but that's kinda sounds at least Nazi adjacent.

No, it doesn't. I don't even know why I'm trying to argue this with you, as you are just completely ignoring my facts I present. The fact that almost every developed country detains and deports illegal aliens? Ignored. The fact that the USA has some of the least stringent immigration laws among developed nations? Ignored. The fact there is a huge difference between genocide and the temporary detainment and deportment of illegal aliens? Ignored. I'm not even going to address any of your other points, as they are all just the same.

Mattsmith, please just stop trying to convince us your position is morally right, or has any similitude of reason. All you are doing is repeating your argument without providing anything of substance. You aren't trying to win this debate by facts and reason, you are trying to win it by repeating yourself until any opponent of yours quit after realizing what a waste of time trying to argue with you is. That is very unreasonable, your whole argument here is very unreasonable. You like to accuse others of being brainwashed conspiracy theorists, all the while acting just like one. I'll let you get back into your Hitler-Trump fantasies, but just remember even though the staff will permit you to act like you do, I'm not going to keep standing for it.

[mattsmith48]

I would just like to thank President Pennywise in helping me out here

We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents

In other words now its just doesn't matter why they are here just dump them back into Mexico. PlasmaHam What other country does this or something worst?

PlasmaHam I didn't deny or ignore anything you said or what other countries all I am saying is they treat them better and are more welcoming and willing to help people who need help. When its someone who just want to work in a different country like I explained it is more difficult to get in because those countries give more socially to their population, but when it comes to receive people in need it is much easier much easier for them to get in other countries then the US.

If you really want to prove me wrong just tell me what other country are taking away the children of people trying to get a better live for themselves and their family and putting all of them in jail just because of where they came from.

[Gumbo00]

Yeah trump is not Hitler he doesn’t commit genocide and doesn’t resemble hitler

[BlackParadePixie]

You are taking away the children of people trying to get a better live for themselves and their family and putting all of them in jail because of where they came from.
yes...because we have what we like to call a BORDER and IMMIGRATION LAWS here. Just because you show up at the border, doesn't mean you are just automatically granted access.

[mattsmith48]

yes...because we have what we like to call a BORDER and IMMIGRATION LAWS here. Just because you show up at the border, doesn't mean you are just automatically granted access.

Does it mean you have the right to take the kids away from their parents and put them in child prisons?

[Leprous]

https://i.imgur.com/joZl9WZ.jpg

[BlackParadePixie]

Does it mean you have the right to take the kids away from their parents and put them in child prisons?
yes, it's the law. I already explained this to you before. Each individual has to be interviewed to determine if they have a real legitimate reason for seeking asylum...because not all of these people being separated are actually families. Some of these children have been kidnapped along the way and are being used as leverage by drug smugglers or human/sex traffickers as a means to try and gain entry to the U.S.

You can keep using flowery and sensational language like "prison" and "concentration camp" if you think it helps your argument, but where else are we supposed to keep these people? That's what these facilities are designed for, to temporarily house undocumented individuals until we can determine if...
a) they have a legitimate reason to seek asylum, and can therefor be granted temporary entry into the U.S. until their case is approved.
b) any citizens within the U.S. are a relative or can vouch as a sponsor for any child who made it to the border without a legal guardian.

should we be putting them up in 5 star hotels every night?

[Stronk Serb]

You are taking away the children of people trying to get a better live for themselves and their family and putting all of them in jail because of where they came from. I'm sorry, but that's kinda sounds at least Nazi adjacent.



Violence is never justify and almost every time violence was used to overthrow the government whether it was their own population, own military or another country it almost always got worst.

As for what other countries should do all-out war not really the best idea this is the biggest, most powerful military in history. But I think sanctions against the US, not only for this but other things as well, would absolutely be justified. And thats from someone who lives in a country that would be greatly affected by this.





Well if you take the thousands of people who illegally crossed the border from the US last year as an example they were received by the RCMP who checked their identification and if they didn't pose any danger to anyone, they were given temporary accommodations where they could stay until their application for asylum was processed. They weren't treated like criminals, families weren't separated. They were treated like anyone else legally trying to cross the border or to claim refugee status here, with the small exception that people in the US legally crossing the border can't claim asylum here because of the Safe Third Country Agreement, which to quote Trump ''is a terrible deal''

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/rcmp-says-it-has-intercepted-3-800-asylum-seekers-crossing-illegally-into-quebec-since-aug-1-1.4250806

As for the other part it is understandable that countries that offer more socially will have higher requirements for immigrants with exceptions for refugees and asylum seekers. Also the criticism of the US from other countries is on how hard it is for refugees to get in and their treatment of undocumented immigrants.

STOP COMPARING THEM TO NAZIS. It deeply offends me. I lost family to the Nazis. Not just in combat, but in genocide. Stop comparing this to Nazis. I am tagging you in my previous post where you can read upon what the Nazis and their puppets did, and trust me, it is not even close to this. We feel the consequences even today.

Those illegal immigrants are under arrest, what happens when you get arrested? You get taken into custody until you go to court. Even when a regular citizen or resident of the US is arrested, he is separated from their child. Also, Trump is not the only one to blame for this. This happened under previous administrations. While yes, the conditions are bad and could be improved, it is common sense policy. Still, do not compare them to Nazis.

[Jinglebottom]

This has pretty much led to chaos, so I will lock it. :locked: