Trump is evil

[Max the Disenchanter]

Agree or disagree? Also not interested in "evil is relative". Just tell me from your perspective, if you think Trump is evil or not and why.

I think Trump is the great evil of our time. He's basically the physical manifestation of hate, greed, and ignorance. He's anti-democratic, anti-American, anti-science, and anti-facts.

[Jinglebottom]

Trump is a Russian puppet.

[Zachary G]

Agree or disagree? Also not interested in "evil is relative". Just tell me from your perspective, if you think Trump is evil or not and why.

I think Trump is the great evil of our time. He's basically the physical manifestation of hate, greed, and ignorance. He's anti-democratic, anti-American, anti-science, and anti-facts.

I agree with you 100%. Plus I think he is a big whimp. He cant accept responsibility for anything he does, he always has to put the blame on someone else. The man is a clown and I cant stand him.

[Abyssal Echo]

Disagree Trump isn't evil.... he's probably the best thing that's happened to this country in a long time...Hilary is the evil Sorros loving Russian puppet

[inactiveguy678]

For some reason I don't think he is evil. I think he just got away with too much because of his rich white privilege.

Hear me out...

Unlike our president who got kicked out of law school for shooting someone. Got criticised by the Human Rights Council and even got offended that the HRC was criticising him and declared the HRC has no right to intervene. Admitted on his nightly "speech" rants broadcast by the local and international media that as mayor his nightly hobbies were to take his gun and shoot drug addicts he caught on his street with his gun while riding his big bike. Oh lets not forget how on another nightly rant he shamed his daughter (who punched a police man on live television) about being a drama queen for crying when she shared her rape story. I don't think Trump compares.

Like Trump like to talk some sh*t but I don't know compared to the wasteful death toll our president did. I think he is just some spoiled man child acting out his power trip fantasies to make himself more known and famous.

[Max the Disenchanter]

For some reason I don't think he is evil. I think he just got away with too much because of his rich white privilege.

Hear me out...

Unlike our president who got kicked out of law school for shooting someone. Got criticised by the Human Rights Council and even got offended that the HRC was criticising him and declared the HRC has no right to intervene. Admitted on his nightly "speech" rants broadcast by the local and international media that as mayor his nightly hobbies were to take his gun and shoot drug addicts he caught on his street with his gun while riding his big bike. Oh lets not forget how on another nightly rant he shamed his daughter (who punched a police man on live television) about being a drama queen for crying when she shared her rape story. I don't think Trump compares.

Like Trump like to talk some sh*t but I don't know compared to the wasteful death toll our president did. I think he is just some spoiled man child acting out his power trip fantasies to make himself more known and famous.

Except what he's doing to undocumented immigrants is pretty damn evil.

[inactiveguy678]

Except what he's doing to undocumented immigrants is pretty damn evil.

I actually thought of that but then I realised at least he doesn't enforce a shoot first ask questions later approach. Like did he literally tell border patrol to shoot illegal immigrants on the spot like what our president did to drug addicts? its only recently that police officers now have to bring a Bible and beseech the addicts before escalating the approach.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/deadly-drug-war-in-the-philppines/3/

Lets not forget how common that image is to be honest. And the sad part is it might look like gang violence but actual police officers did that upon orders from the President....

[Max the Disenchanter]

I actually thought of that but then I realised at least he doesn't enforce a shoot first ask questions later approach. Like did he literally tell border patrol to shoot illegal immigrants on the spot like what our president did to drug addicts? its only recently that police officers now have to bring a Bible and beseech the addicts before escalating the approach.

Not yet. Only a matter of time.

I guess you live in the Philippines. Yeah, that guy is bad.

[inactiveguy678]

Not yet. Only a matter of time.

I guess you live in the Philippines. Yeah, that guy is bad.

If Trump crosses that line yes he is evil. But until violence against African Americans gets semi officially sanctioned by trump (because they are criminal violent or whatever racist bullshit I still don't think he is evil). To clarify, i'm only using this flawed analogy as an example of police brutally (sanctioned by the president vs caused by other factors) as an example because its the only one that our two countries share. i'm not undermining BLM or racial biases of certain police officers.

[Dmaxd123]

Except what he's doing to undocumented immigrants is pretty damn evil.

i think you meant illegal not undocumented


so far I'm fairly neutral trump, better than Hillary by far, certainly not evil

As far as the splitting up illegal alien families... don't bring the family here illegally they may immigrate here by going through the proper channels then they will be documented, legal, immigrants which i'm completely cool with

Trump has at least had a decent meeting with N. Korea what comes of it? who knows, but at least he has the ball rolling

[Max the Disenchanter]

i think you meant illegal not undocumented


so far I'm fairly neutral trump, better than Hillary by far, certainly not evil

As far as the splitting up illegal alien families... don't bring the family here illegally they may immigrate here by going through the proper channels then they will be documented, legal, immigrants which i'm completely cool with

Trump has at least had a decent meeting with N. Korea what comes of it? who knows, but at least he has the ball rolling

trump went out of his way to praise a ruthless dictator who has 100,000 people in forced labor camps on par with the Nazi's concentration camps. Not to mention forced rape, death camps, torture, and mass starvation. Yeah, that's the kind of ruler we want to elevate. And for what? Trump conceded for absolutely nothing. Meanwhile, Trump takes a huge shit on our true allies, e.g., Canada, by spouting out falsehoods about our trade imbalance, which he doesn't even understand.

Yeah, keep telling the little kid who now lives in a open air tent with a bunch of other little kids on the border of Mexico and Texas (100 degree temperatures) that he can't see his mother because she shouldn't tired to cross the border to seek a better life.

your ignorance disgusts me.

[Gvanni]

I wouldn't call Trump evil but a bad person for sure. I don't really care too much about Trump as I thought I would when he was running for president. Like who would vote for some old quack businessman who never held a political office a day in his life to be the president of the United States is beyond me, but he actually turned out to be some lowly figurehead. It's clear the rest of the executive branch and the senate doesn't treat him like an able president and often guide him on what to do, so he is more like a puppet. He just talks big and bad, especially on Twitter, so he appears to be the one in charge. I just feel like Trump is a sad delirious old man that will die within the next 5 years, not evil, not good, just there. Millions of people are already beginning to not care what he does and are just waiting for him to leave office.

[inactiveguy678]

trump went out of his way to praise a ruthless dictator who has 100,000 people in forced labor camps on par with the Nazi's concentration camps.

Ok I'm not contradicting you but another VT member and friend of mine contacted me to tell me "Didn't Trump praise your president on his war against drugs".

I think given this part of your comment above and what that member said which is true by the way, this is the point I was making about him earlier. He sounds like a typical internet troll by agreeing and praising genuine bad people which is why in my view it kinda diminishes his "evil" somewhat. Its like yes I agree with this @$$hole but you know what I'm just gonna leave it at that. But good for this @$$hole I wish I could do it too at his level too but I'll be vocal about supporting them and stick to saying some nasty sh!t.

[lliam]

he isn't evil by any means but kinda dumb and infantile.

dangerous combination anyway - if you do a president's job.

[ShineintheDark]

Just waiting for the collective REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE of the right-wing posters.

I don;t believe Trump is evil. I've never cared for him nor his brand of politics, not when he was the attention-seeking candidate nor as the puppet of the extreme voices as president nor as the hyped-up cyberbully. Terrible things have occured under his watch and of course he shouldn't be absolved of all the blame for them but in all honesty, I don't think he's actually aware of most of it. He doesn't write policy; if you wanna criticise Republican lawmaking under this administration, focus your attentions on the real trash like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon et al who write and push all these policies for him, just using ol' Donnie as the final signature. Trump is the big show; the symptom of the disease, not the cause.

[Max the Disenchanter]

Ok I'm not contradicting you but another VT member and friend of mine contacted me to tell me "Didn't Trump praise your president on his war against drugs".

I think given this part of your comment above and what that member said which is true by the way, this is the point I was making about him earlier. He sounds like a typical internet troll by agreeing and praising genuine bad people which is why in my view it kinda diminishes his "evil" somewhat. Its like yes I agree with this @$$hole but you know what I'm just gonna leave it at that. But good for this @$$hole I wish I could do it too at his level too but I'll be vocal about supporting them and stick to saying some nasty sh!t.

Evil doesn't have to be cunning.

[Ace.]

He's not evil. He is dumb and ignorant. He doesn't notice the reality about everything.

[PlasmaHam]

Just waiting for the collective REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE of the right-wing posters.
I'm not posting because there is no need. No offense to anyone here, but the extremist posts here equating Trump to pure evil or claiming Trump is too stupid to tie his own shoes (but still somehow capable of hiding supposed vast Russian interference) really shows how irrational the ardent Trump-haters can get. The Right has learned to love this behavior from the Left, because it legitimizes their position, ironically, that the Far-Left has a disconnect from reality.

[Nicky47]

I disagree, the media hates him so they make people believe what they want them to think, obama started the racial issues here on a few occasions

[Max the Disenchanter]

I disagree, the media hates him so they make people believe what they want them to think, obama started the racial issues here on a few occasions

Explain how Obama started "the racial issues"? Besides being the first African-American president.

[Nicky47]

Explain how Obama started "the racial issues"? Besides being the first African-American president.

Failure to act and defend police in Baltimore riots,ferguson riots, and Failure to defend court system in zimmerman case all which sparked racial accusations against police and dont forget the beer summit where he completely undermined a white cop for arresting a black man...we can also talk how he wanted a mosque on the9/11 site or how he gave our enemies weapons and money.....

[ShineintheDark]

I'm not posting because there is no need. No offense to anyone here, but the extremist posts here equating Trump to pure evil or claiming Trump is too stupid to tie his own shoes (but still somehow capable of hiding supposed vast Russian interference) really shows how irrational the ardent Trump-haters can get.
I tend to agree with that. That's why I made it pretty clear in my own response that the idea of Trump being some evil, spiteful man is pretty stupid and a very shallow take on both modern affairs and the political system.

The Right has learned to love this behavior from the Left, because it legitimizes their position, ironically, that the Far-Left has a disconnect from reality.
I wouldn't use 'Far-Left' to describe Democrats since it's just compliling something Conservatives oppose (left) and adding 'far' to it to make it seem like it's deeply embedded in the ideology. Your opposition is to Liberals in the American lexicology, whom I assure you Leftists pretty much despise too.

[inactiveguy678]

Evil doesn't have to be cunning.

Umm nowhere did I say in this comment you responded to that evil has to be cunning. In fact, Trump may be seen as more evil because he cunningly supports and congratulates the actions of even worse people without actually doing comparable acts especially when you think about his status as the worlds most powerful world leader into consideration.

The main point of this comment is basically agreeing on some extreme made by some genuinely bad or evil people does not necessarily make you evil.

The main demarkation I'm pointing out in all of the points I was making in the previous posts were in today's age wherein people can some nasty stuff and be notorious on the internet, it may not necessarily translate to a person being evil.

Remember Trump is a businessman by trade who gains fame and advertisement for his businesses by doing a lot of cameos (TV shows movies) and later on even starring in his own reality TV show. Plus, wasn't he a huge Democratic supporter back in the day (donation history)?

Does he do racially insensitive stuff favouring white people? yes

Is his targeting of illegal immigrants insensitive and unfair? Grey area because as one user said why are people not going through the proper channels in the first place. Plus, its not as if he has gone over the line with the mistreatment of familial separations. I'd rather be separated with my family now and hoping to be reunited one day than a member being shot dead in the street or gassed in a chamber even without provocation if you know what I mean.

TL;DR Given the complexity of his character and the counter example I gave of another current more objectively evil person, I don't think its fair to label him as evil when all he does is support questionable methods.

[mattsmith48]

Hes not evil, hes a useful idiot controlled by the wrong people.


so far I'm fairly neutral trump, better than Hillary by far, certainly not evil


Its been 2 years, get over her already

Failure to act and defend police in Baltimore riots,ferguson riots, and Failure to defend court system in zimmerman case all which sparked racial accusations against police and dont forget the beer summit where he completely undermined a white cop for arresting a black man...

Yeah just let the police continue to constantly murder unarmed black people.

how he gave our enemies weapons and money.....

Wait Israel and Saudi Arabia is your enemies now? Sure one as one of the worst human rights record rightnow and the other is responsible for 9/11 but I thought you guys were friends.

[ShineintheDark]

Failure to act and defend police in Baltimore riots,ferguson riots,

Not his job to. Also, same can be said for every president that's in office during major racial unrest. What makes Obama special in this?

and Failure to defend court system in zimmerman case all which sparked racial accusations against police

There have been hundreds of legal cases against cops who have abused their power and killed needlessly. It wasn't Obama's fault that this one blew up larger than the others. Also not defending a white cop doesn't equate to being the mastermind of some perceived race war.

and dont forget the beer summit where he completely undermined a white cop for arresting a black man...we can also talk how he wanted a mosque on the9/11 site or how he gave our enemies weapons and money..... I'm no expert on the beer summit and cba googling that so I'll let that point stand on a neutral.
I very much doubt he actually proposed and designed that mosque proposal and I don't even think it was planned to ever be on the Ground 0 site since that will pretty much always remain a public memorial but the mosque was planned fairly close to the site, which is both A. perfectly normal since there is no auspicious zone around Ground 0 that prevents new religious buildings being built and B. not at all the same as building on the site but rather an overbloated right-wing screeching point.
As for giving our enemies weapons and money, well pretty much every leader is currently doing so and I oppose it just as much as you. But Trump is selling weapons to America's enemies. As did Bush and Clinton and Reagan and Bush Sr. and Carter and pretty much every president since the US became a major weapons dealer. Hell, Nazis fought with American-made bullets: war doesn't stop business.

[Jinglebottom]

Keep this thread on topic and do not bash others, or else posts will be deleted.

[Nicky47]

I like how they accuse trump of being racist for wanting players to not disrespect military which oh btw my father did 3 tours in iraq to defend our flag .... Also police shoot more black people because there are MORE black people in this country and more committing violent crimes look up the stats again if you run from the cops you risk getting shot

Unnecessary bits removed. ~Jinglebottom

[Leprous]

I like how they accuse trump of being racist for wanting players to not disrespect military which oh btw my father did 3 tours in iraq to defend our flag .... Also police shoot more black people because there are MORE black people in this country and more committing violent crimes look up the stats again if you run from the cops you risk getting shot

Actually there are not more black than white people in the US, not sure where you got that statistic.

Also they are not being killed more (when speaking in raw numbers that is), however compared to the population of black people compared to white people they are, and it's quite concerning.

[Nicky47]

Not his job to. Also, same can be said for every president that's in office during major racial unrest. What makes Obama special in this?

There have been hundreds of legal cases against cops who have abused their power and killed needlessly. It wasn't Obama's fault that this one blew up larger than the others. Also not defending a white cop doesn't equate to being the mastermind of some perceived race war.
I'm no expert on the beer summit and cba googling that so I'll let that point stand on a neutral.
I very much doubt he actually proposed and designed that mosque proposal and I don't even think it was planned to ever be on the Ground 0 site since that will pretty much always remain a public memorial but the mosque was planned fairly close to the site, which is both A. perfectly normal since there is no auspicious zone around Ground 0 that prevents new religious buildings being built and B. not at all the same as building on the site but rather an overbloated right-wing screeching point.
As for giving our enemies weapons and money, well pretty much every leader is currently doing so and I oppose it just as much as you. But Trump is selling weapons to America's enemies. As did Bush and Clinton and Reagan and Bush Sr. and Carter and pretty much every president since the US became a major weapons dealer. Hell, Nazis fought with American-made bullets: war doesn't stop business.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/us/politics/14obama.html as far as the weapons when those same weapons are being used to shoot at people like my father screw business we protect our own Obama crippled our military to the point my father working in dc at the time said russia was way ahead of us and would win a war with us easy say what you want about trump but hes clearly focused on PROTECTING usa not empowering others

Actually there are not more black than white people in the US, not sure where you got that statistic.

Also they are not being killed more (when speaking in raw numbers that is), however compared to the population of black people compared to white people they are, and it's quite concerning.

I mistyped im typing on my ps4 more black people in usa than ever before and is the highest growth population black people commit half the murders in usa yet account for 15% total population yet white people account for 53% Of muder VICTIMS the highest with black at 43% Yet weignore those stats....

Double posts merged. ~Jinglebottom

[Jinglebottom]

Inappropriate posts have been deleted. Please be civil to each other.

[BlackParadePixie]

Except what he's doing to undocumented immigrants is pretty damn evil.
what separating them at the border? that's standard policy for aliens seeking asylum. you can look it up in the US immigration code. they do that because, believe it or not, not every person coming to our border is being truthful about their reason for seeking asylum. there have been instances of drug and human smugglers kidnapping children along the way and pretending that they are family members in an attempt to gain entry.

[ShineintheDark]

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/us/politics/14obama.html
Cool. In no way proved me wrong. He still didn't first propose the mosque, just said he agreed with the idea. Not in any way his fault.

as far as the weapons when those same weapons are being used to shoot at people like my father screw business we protect our own Obama crippled our military to the point my father working in dc at the time said russia was way ahead of us and would win a war with us easy say what you want about trump but hes clearly focused on PROTECTING usa not empowering others

Like I said, I oppose selling arms to those who wish us harm also. I have many times criticised my own government for laying down the red carpet and courting dictators. However, you make it seem like Obama started the tradition of selling arms to our enemies and I retorted that many have done so before him, he just didn't change it which is terrible but again nothing he started.

The US military complex has far exceeded its purpose. The US is not officially at war with anyone and therefore doesn't warrant spending such an obscene amount on its military. It doesn't matter if Russia has a better army, Russia can waste what it likes on its army since it doesn't affect the US in any way. The US will never enter armed conflict with another major superpower, those days are over. Trump doesn't give a damn about the army either, he wants them as a base. If he cared, he'd also help to de-escalate global conflicts and remove troops from where they aren't needed so that fewer lives are wasted needlessly on conflicts that do not involve the US. The whole flashy military budget and speeches are for the conservative base at home, not for the actual soldiers.

[Uniquemind]

I disagree, the media hates him so they make people believe what they want them to think, obama started the racial issues here on a few occasions

I don’t believe you are correct I think you are overlooking and simplifying the comparison on false equivocation.

There are many varying factors but a lot of trump supporters are expressing confirmation bias for trump that they didn’t show when trump tweeted a firestorm of criticism when Obama was in power doing similar actions trump is doing now.

The playing golf comments Vs doing the job of a pres, is one such example both men have been in, and Trump does not seem to judge himself consistently as he likes to judge others...that’s not fair nor is it the sign of a consistent leader. He’s fickle and makes excuses for himself when it suits his ego to deny failure.


He even said recently “I’m sure I’ll find some excuse” in context of admitting maybe he could be wrong about N.Korea. He’s too non-chalant when context should be serious thoughtful and vetted actions and policies.


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On military spending, I disagree I think where the waste is occurring is that we aren’t spending smartly, there’s a lot of $ wasted on government contracts and non-IT data security movements. It’s mismanagement but spending does need to be maintained and updated.

So these are separate issues, and bodies alone doesn’t solve. Average citizens can help though by being fitter and prepared and trained to fight in general though.

[Nicky47]

. Trump doesn't give a damn about the army either, he wants them as a base. If he cared, he'd also help to de-escalate global conflicts and remove troops from where they aren't needed so that fewer lives are wasted needlessly on conflicts that do not involve the US. The whole flashy military budget and speeches are for the conservative base at home, not for the actual soldiers.

You mean like he just did in n. Korea? Or how hes pulled out many from the ME since elected?

[Nicky47]

what separating them at the border? that's standard policy for aliens seeking asylum. you can look it up in the US immigration code. they do that because, believe it or not, not every person coming to our border is being truthful about their reason for seeking asylum. there have been instances of drug and human smugglers kidnapping children along the way and pretending that they are family members in an attempt to gain entry.

I agree 100% When we moved overseas for my dads work it was such a hassle to live anywhere because of strict laws for non citizens but noone calls European countries racist for those policies

[abcdeqwe]

I don’t think he’s evil I just think he’s dumb and crooked.

[Merk]

I'm not going to reply to anyone here, because that would just be a useless trip through a rabbit hole infested with ticks and rabid rats. Lol...

The extremes here are so blatant. Aside from the few probe here who are smarter, (you know who you are, thank you.) Most people here are going directly to. He's evil, or idiotic. Neither of which can be be proven with any substantial (truthful) evidence.

The man has to make alliances. If that means calling noko Kim smart and talented, so be it. It's not like Trump is in any way saying Kim has great morals.

When the leftists get TDS, it's very amusing to me. Left goes so far, that they show just how stupid they are...

Obama didn't give the money with the iran deal to Isreal or Saudi Arabia. He gave to to Iran. The largest funder of terror organizations in the region.

What else....

Oh yeah, my answer to the original thread.
The Donald is not evil, nor stupid. He is a businessman, he has our unemployment rate at the lowest it's ever been. Taxes are down, wages are up. So many more great things, and did I mention? North Korea is on the path to denuclearization.

TRIGGER WARNING
Leftist tears are great. Long live Trump Derangement Syndrome. Melted snowflakes... Yummm... Lol

[inactiveguy678]

Wow returning to this post i can't believe it turned to sh!t in such a short time.

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[Uniquemind]

I'm not going to reply to anyone here, because that would just be a useless trip through a rabbit hole infested with ticks and rabid rats. Lol...

The extremes here are so blatant. Aside from the few probe here who are smarter, (you know who you are, thank you.) Most people here are going directly to. He's evil, or idiotic. Neither of which can be be proven with any substantial (truthful) evidence.

The man has to make alliances. If that means calling noko Kim smart and talented, so be it. It's not like Trump is in any way saying Kim has great morals.

When the leftists get TDS, it's very amusing to me. Left goes so far, that they show just how stupid they are...

Obama didn't give the money with the iran deal to Isreal or Saudi Arabia. He gave to to Iran. The largest funder of terror organizations in the region.

What else....

Oh yeah, my answer to the original thread.
The Donald is not evil, nor stupid. He is a businessman, he has our unemployment rate at the lowest it's ever been. Taxes are down, wages are up. So many more great things, and did I mention? North Korea is on the path to denuclearization.

TRIGGER WARNING
Leftist tears are great. Long live Trump Derangement Syndrome. Melted snowflakes... Yummm... Lol


The problem with crediting Trump with the economy is that historically the stock market rises and falls indirectly with what the president is doing, there is a relationship, but it’s not really accurate to draw a positive correlation with a president performance with a snapshot moment in th DOW, or NASDAQ.


You also overlook misattributing decisions and foundational work in Obama’s presidency that might have given the torque to recovery as a national timing default to when Trump’s presidency began; lag effects do exist.

This is why the private sector has a significant separation from government and is semi-autonomous from it hence per board of directors per company etc.

It’s also very dangerous to say government is functional when there aren’t large job vacancies in the White House, and staffers are reportedly extremely stressed out they might do something and have their boss not be supportive or offer clear directives in leadership.

During the campaign didn’t trump promise to turn his company over to his kids? What did he actually do? He started passing out high level security clearances to kin, and you bet you those hold value in terms of travel and know-how on where to push $ where overseas or strike supply-manufacturing and marketing selling of product lines.

Taxes are down, unpaid for and lumped into the federal deficit, and the debt, meaning future generations will pay for it, our own great-grandchildren, wages are not up necessarily because of federal laws, but rather state or city efforts, and this comes after a statistical drought of raises for the middle class and poor; translation they’re playing wage-catch-up to where they should’ve been all along these past 7 years.

He’s also about to undo the gains with this trade war, spiking the price of home appliances by hundreds of dollars. (Washers, dryers, refrigerators, microwaves, vehicles). Any wage gains just got erased if you need to buy one of those products.


Need I go on?



FYI: he’s not evil, on that I agree with you. But I disagree with your judgment of the situation and the attribution of credit Vs fault.


Also he’s put us in a situation where you can’t verify whether one side of N.Korea and US deal is actually carried out.

It takes logistical time to move military assets out or back into a situation, should a situation collapse. It risks leaving South Korea exposed on a complete whim of faith.

Also S.Korea goes the we’re really gonna see war, death, and economies worldwide collapse.

[Stronk Serb]

He is just a puppet. His foreign policy, just like every other president's is pretty much the same, while he gets to do something in the interior.

[Vlerchan]

he man has to make alliances. If that means calling noko Kim smart and talented, so be it.
He's not making alliances. He's making hard concessions in return for vaguely-worded, largely aspirational agreements, which don't even have a mechanism to observe that the nuclearisation process is even occurring.

But speaking of alliances, he has managed to alienate the South Koreans during this process and push both themselves and Japan towards China--undermining the aims of about 60 years IndoPacific in about 6 months. He has literally no Central Asia policy to speak of. He's engaged in a needless trade war with European and North American allies, to the detriment of Western soft power. Has been more or less conciliatory on Crimea, while allowing Russia to further entrench themselves in the East Mediterranean (following on from Obama).

It's also not required that he call Kim smart, or talented, or praise how his people snap to attention (even if, he later suggests, it's being sarcastic).

Obama didn't give the money with the iran deal to Isreal or Saudi Arabia. He gave to to Iran. The largest funder of terror organizations in the region.
The reason the West sanctioned Iran was because of it's nuclear program, and not it's funding of terror organisations. The Iran Deal introduced a framework to bring an end to their nuclear programme, which is going to require eliminating the sanctions we impose originally to bring about that end.

Of course, it's bad that the Iranian regime will be further empowered. But it's a fine cost to pay in return for an effort to nuclearise the state.

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Considering that half our middle east allies are funding Al Qaeda offshoots in the ME, and we don't care, it's a bizarre standard to hold irrespective.

he has our unemployment rate at the lowest it's ever been
This has very little to do with Trump.

Taxes are down
The United States should be reducing the deficit.

North Korea is on the path to denuclearization.
Lol.

[ShineintheDark]

To just tackle the whole NK scenario here, you guys do realise it wasn't just the US negotiating, right? Britain has been sending diplomats, South Korea has been negotiating, China has been involved, Russia has been sending diplomats. Pretty much every nation in the world has a slice of that peace pie. Hell, the South Korean president met Kim Jong Un multiple times before Trump did. The Singapore Summit was only covered as heavily and given so much attention because the US is the US, not because the Trump Administration has put any special effort into the negotiations. To claim Trump's doing great cos he got NK to the table spits in the face of decades of British, Russian, South Korean, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani and many more involvement before Trump even learned to spell his own wife's name.

[trackinglife]

Agree or disagree? Also not interested in "evil is relative". Just tell me from your perspective, if you think Trump is evil or not and why.

I think Trump is the great evil of our time. He's basically the physical manifestation of hate, greed, and ignorance. He's anti-democratic, anti-American, anti-science, and anti-facts.

Yeah ummmm he isn't anti-democratic after all he was elected through an electoral democratic process. Plus he supported several beauty pageants that used judges votes to determine the winner which was just another form of democracy really. He definitely isn't anti-American. If anything he goes too far the other way and thinks America is just the most exceptional place ever and tends to overlook some of our failures. Anti-science and anti-facts well that is just a silly point to make. At the end of the day literally everyone on the planet has some aspect of scientific theory they disagree with or even facts they disagree with.

As for being the physical manifestation of hate, greed, and ignorance I could easily make the case that virtually everyone on the planet is guilty of at least ONE of those and many at guilty of all three. I don't really think Trump is more guilty than anyone else of those things. Trumps greatest sin is actually pride not any of those things.

[mattsmith48]

Incredible how its people who don't live in the US who are educating Americans on their own president. Shows you how bad things have gotten down there.

I like how they accuse trump of being racist for wanting players to not disrespect military which oh btw my father did 3 tours in iraq to defend our flag .... Also police shoot more black people because there are MORE black people in this country and more committing violent crimes look up the stats again if you run from the cops you risk getting shot


1. They are having a peaceful protest against police brutality, as is their right protected by the constitution. And the government including the President cannot restrict or prevent them from doing so.

2. If Trump fight with the NFL is what made you realize that Trump is a racist you haven't been paying attention, I mean come on that started not even a month after he openly White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis after a terrorist attack in Virginia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/us/politics/14obama.html as far as the weapons when those same weapons are being used to shoot at people like my father screw business we protect our own Obama crippled our military to the point my father working in dc at the time said russia was way ahead of us and would win a war with us easy say what you want about trump but hes clearly focused on PROTECTING usa not empowering others

They are no winners in a nuclear war only one big loser, humanity.

I mistyped im typing on my ps4 more black people in usa than ever before and is the highest growth population black people commit half the murders in usa yet account for 15% total population yet white people account for 53% Of muder VICTIMS the highest with black at 43% Yet weignore those stats....

I don't believe those stats are true, but even if they were does that give the right to the police to murder or beat up unarmed black people for the crime of not doing anything illegal while black?

what separating them at the border? that's standard policy for aliens seeking asylum.

Wait, aliens? Really? Whats next hunting down Bigfoot?

you can look it up in the US immigration code. they do that because, believe it or not, not every person coming to our border is being truthful about their reason for seeking asylum. there have been instances of drug and human smugglers kidnapping children along the way and pretending that they are family members in an attempt to gain entry.

Tell us where, Where exactly in the immigration code does it say children have to be separated from their parents in the small chance they might be actually be trafficking those kids or using them to bring in drugs more easily?

I agree 100% When we moved overseas for my dads work it was such a hassle to live anywhere because of strict laws for non citizens but noone calls European countries racist for those policies

What laws?

The man has to make alliances. If that means calling noko Kim smart and talented, so be it. It's not like Trump is in any way saying Kim has great morals.

Does that also include having to destroy all previous alliances with the EU and Canada?


Obama didn't give the money with the iran deal to Isreal or Saudi Arabia. He gave to to Iran. The largest funder of terror organizations in the region.

Saudi Arabia is responsible for 9/11, you know that right? And Israel it might not be terrorism but they got a lot of blood on their hands. But the US keep selling them weapons like nothing wrong ever happen.

Also Obama didn't give money to Iran from the nuclear deal?


What else....

Oh yeah, my answer to the original thread.
The Donald is not evil, nor stupid. He is a businessman, he has our unemployment rate at the lowest it's ever been. Taxes are down, wages are up.

A businessman that went bankrupt 4 times with Casinos, a business were people literally give you money for nothing. It would be like if a religion went bankrupt.

Unemployment rate is only following the trend it was going on when Obama was in office. Also unemployment rate tells only a small part of the story, that number doesn't tell you how good those jobs are or how much they pay.

The tax rate is actually set to raise after a few years for the middle class and lower class to pay for the giant hole those tax cuts at the top will be leaving.

You are forgetting all the bad parts like that nothing was done to prevent another crash after 2008, that part is Obama's fault, but Trump is not doing anything to correct that and is even accelerating and making things worst. Add is fight to keep dying industries alive like coal or fossil fuels and the trade war on top of that. Its gonna be bad.

Yeah ummmm he isn't anti-democratic after all he was elected through an electoral democratic process.

1. You have one of the least democratic system in the world.
2. The majority of dictators were elected at first.

Plus he supported several beauty pageants that used judges votes to determine the winner which was just another form of democracy really. He definitely isn't anti-American.

Remember during PussyGate when it was revealed that Trump was using his connections with those beauty pageants to go in the girls dressing rooms to take a look at the naked contestant.

[trackinglife]

1. You have one of the least democratic system in the world.
2. The majority of dictators were elected at first.

1. That is because we are not a full democracy because full democracies historically have not worked out well. Turns out mob rule (which is what a true pure democracy is, is actually a horrible form of government).
2. Yes this is true and usually it was because they were a full democracy....Not always but usually and they also tended to already have control of say the police or strong arm groups that they used to fix elections. Hitler may have been "elected" but he killed people to get elected.....so....that is a bit different.

Remember during PussyGate when it was revealed that Trump was using his connections with those beauty pageants to go in the girls dressing rooms to take a look at the naked contestant.

Completely irrelevant to the topic. But if you want to go there then lets go there. Remember when Clinton used his position to actually have sexual relations with a woman then he went and perjured himself over it. And normally the penalty for perjury is a fine and/or jail time. Pretty sure Clinton faced neither.....which shouldn't be the case.

[Uniquemind]

To just tackle the whole NK scenario here, you guys do realise it wasn't just the US negotiating, right? Britain has been sending diplomats, South Korea has been negotiating, China has been involved, Russia has been sending diplomats. Pretty much every nation in the world has a slice of that peace pie. Hell, the South Korean president met Kim Jong Un multiple times before Trump did. The Singapore Summit was only covered as heavily and given so much attention because the US is the US, not because the Trump Administration has put any special effort into the negotiations. To claim Trump's doing great cos he got NK to the table spits in the face of decades of British, Russian, South Korean, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani and many more involvement before Trump even learned to spell his own wife's name.


But they have competing interests. What they gain from that pie benefits them in the long term of having western alliances steeped in history, break apart, it basically is a piñata game when an alliance breaks, and all th the countries you listed start hordeing special alliances and contracts on the business side of each’s economy.

In a way that doesn’t help the USA’s budget or world influence.



He is just a puppet. His foreign policy, just like every other president's is pretty much the same, while he gets to do something in the interior.

His foreign policy is far and wide different from presidents before. How he behaves and treats allies is vastly different.




1. You have one of the least democratic system in the world.
2. The majority of dictators were elected at first.

1. That is because we are not a full democracy because full democracies historically have not worked out well. Turns out mob rule (which is what a true pure democracy is, is actually a horrible form of government).
2. Yes this is true and usually it was because they were a full democracy....Not always but usually and they also tended to already have control of say the police or strong arm groups that they used to fix elections. Hitler may have been "elected" but he killed people to get elected.....so....that is a bit different.

Remember during PussyGate when it was revealed that Trump was using his connections with those beauty pageants to go in the girls dressing rooms to take a look at the naked contestant.

Completely irrelevant to the topic. But if you want to go there then lets go there. Remember when Clinton used his position to actually have sexual relations with a woman then he went and perjured himself over it. And normally the penalty for perjury is a fine and/or jail time. Pretty sure Clinton faced neither.....which shouldn't be the case.

But Clinton’s blowjob was consensual, what Trump and other men did as disclosed to the public during Metoo, describe forced nature peeping or sexual assault or rape. Society should not conflate the two especially since man’s law only concerns itself with non-consensual sexual relations. The Bible and other religious books have a higher standard of course but that’s a separate platform of context not one courts can base convictions and judgments on.

[PlasmaHam]

1. They are having a peaceful protest against police brutality, as is their right protected by the constitution. And the government including the President cannot restrict or prevent them from doing so.
Peaceful protest is protected under the First Amendment, yes. However, protests which are violent or directly lead to violence are illegal [1] (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/465/46/544540/), and can be legally be shut down by the government. Additionally, protests can be regulated by the government by requiring permits [2] (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/312/569/case.html), and are prohibited from blocking legal traffic on both roads and sidewalks [3] (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/465/46/544540/). It can be easily argued that many protests against police brutality have violated at-least one of these restrictions and thus legally became an illegal and/or violent protest.

Wait, aliens? Really? Whats next hunting down Bigfoot?"Alien" is an official legal term in the USA to refer to non-citizens residing in the country. [4] (http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=2382) It has been used in US legal doctrine as far back as 1798, and still consistently to this day. The term "Bigfoot" is not a legal term as far as I know. Perhaps it is in Canada, idk

Tell us where, Where exactly in the immigration code does it say children have to be separated from their parents in the small chance they might be actually be trafficking those kids or using them to bring in drugs more easily?Where exactly in the immigration code does it say illegal aliens have a right to reside within the USA?

What laws?It's simply amazing that you require exact details and sources from others, while failing to provide them from others. It isn't exactly a secret that European and similar countries like New Zealand, Japan, and even Canada have quite stringent immigration laws. Factors like age, health, skills, and level of education can all be factors, depending on the exact country. Most of these countries have made recent exceptions to their immigration laws to allow for relatively easy immigration for Syrian migrants, which might be why you think they have lax immigration laws compared to the USA. But besides those exceptions specifically aimed for Syrians, the USA is still more immigration friendly.

The tax rate is actually set to raise after a few years for the middle class and lower class to pay for the giant hole those tax cuts at the top will be leaving.Please provide the exact quote from the tax law please. :)

1. You have one of the least democratic system in the world.Please provide sources for this claim.

[Vlerchan]

But Clinton’s blowjob was consensual[.]
It was legal. But it was still immoral given the gross power differentials.

Though the allegations against Trump are much worse.

[Uniquemind]

It was legal. But it was still immoral given the gross power differentials.

Though the allegations against Trump are much worse.

Which was my point, they aren’t comparable like people are trying to paint with a broad brush.

[BlackParadePixie]

Wait, aliens? Really? Whats next hunting down Bigfoot?
no...

alien
(3)The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

Tell us where, Where exactly in the immigration code does it say children have to be separated from their parents in the small chance they might be actually be trafficking those kids or using them to bring in drugs more easily?

U.S. Code › Title 8 › Chapter 12 › Subchapter II › Part IV › § 1222

States that each alien must be detained...
"For the purpose of determining whether aliens (including alien crewmen) arriving at ports of the United States belong to any of the classes inadmissible under this chapter,... such aliens shall be detained by the Attorney General for a sufficient time to enable the immigration officers and medical officers to subject such aliens to observation and an examination sufficient to determine whether or not they belong to inadmissible classes.

[Ragle]

If Trump ist evil, that goes for supporters too.
This means that the axis of evil now includes the US.

Personally I think, he's just a ordinary jerk who was made a president by other supporting jerks.

[BlackParadePixie]

If Trump ist evil, that goes for supporters too.
This means that the axis of evil now includes the US.

Personally I think, he's just a ordinary jerk who was made a president by other supporting jerks.

basket of deplorables theory? that's the attitude that got him elected in the first place.

[Uniquemind]

basket of deplorables theory? that's the attitude that got him elected in the first place.

I don’t think they’re deplorable. But I do think people had opinions they couldn’t justify using logic; they voted on emotion. Which implies willful ignorance shaped who voted for whom like a high school popularity homecoming queen and king contest.


To be truely evil, to me, would be a consistent pattern of giving up the good moral fight in intent, while also balancing human empathy to understand and push through how you’d like others to treat you if you were in their shoes. Frankly their getting a failing grade because at some level one is saying:

I recognize this is wrong, but I’ll put doing the right thing to solve a problem at a lower priority because of symbolic ideological power struggle, even though there is psychological damage due to prolonged separation anxiety between mothers and children during this process. It’s seen as a lesser More I can pass off the blame to someone else situation which is extremely inaccurate to the truth.


It’s not like there aren’t genetic testing companies that can’t verify paternity here in cases where illegal human trafficking or smuggling is occurring.

I.e. 23&me etc. except they just need to test within 1-2 generations maybe.


Create a spike in social workers from Psychology majors with BA’s and fast track what you can with PH.D oversight.

It’s not that hard people are being sucked into emotional tunnel vision and anger on how to manage such a crisis humanely.


It’s become a masculine “who can piss the farthest contest” it’s ridiculously upsetting to me and frustratingly illogical to see why the public even is mindtricked so easily.

Yes they have to be separated but families can be separated together, and if nobody is coming into the country armed and they aren’t carrying drugs or anything I think this outcry is uncalled for especially given what they are fleeing from.

[Vlerchan]

States that each alien must be detained...
"For the purpose of determining whether aliens (including alien crewmen) arriving at ports of the United States belong to any of the classes inadmissible under this chapter,... such aliens shall be detained by the Attorney General for a sufficient time to enable the immigration officers and medical officers to subject such aliens to observation and an examination sufficient to determine whether or not they belong to inadmissible classes.
Please note the portion of text I bolded. Please note, in particular, how it does not require that illegal immigrants be detained separate from their children, and until quite recent families that did attempt to cross where detained in family detention centres. Separating families is a product of this administration, it's an active decision on their behalf.

Even if it was the law, the executive has the power to stop its enforcement and bring an end to a situation which, to be frank, is at best disgusting, and more arguably a violation of the international human rights of migrants.

[Jinglebottom]

This thread has devolved into useless flaming and name-calling. :locked: