What is the biggest threat to humanity right now?

[Thunderstorm]

Of course there is no right answer, but there have been several studies done and they all seem to come to the same conclusion. Can you guess which one? Which one do you personally think is most threatening? (They are in no particular order)

[mattsmith48]

If you don't answer climate change you are either an idiot or a conspiracy theorist

[lliam]

I voted for the climate change conspiracy

[Caycedilla]

Most likely climate change, but ridiculous Puberty Forum posts are a close second

[Ace.]

All of them. The scariest fact is we are near through all of this. one wrong move we're done.

[Dalcourt]

The biggest threat is and always was ignorance and arrogance displayed by the people in power.

[rohancool]

Ignorance among common people. All wrong acts are carried out as no one questions the meaningfulness or sense behind certain actions.

THB, only common people see reasonable and peaceful solutions while politicians and decision makers are only interested in a profitable solution on their conditions.

[JustHaveFun]

Most of these are not proven to be a major threat, terrorism is a very minor threat. Even the largest terror attack ever (9/11) only killed a little over two thousand people which is a small number in the grand scheme of things. I could see over population, global warming, or running out of resources being a issue in the distant future. A massive natural disaster like an asteroid would be devistating. We recently had a near miss from an asteroid in April, astronomers did not discover the object until 21 hours before it passed Earth (half the distance of the moon! That's scary close.)

https://www.space.com/40315-asteroid-2018-ge3-surprise-flyby.html

[ShineintheDark]

I could see over population, global warming, or running out of resources being a issue in the distant future.
It's all too common for people to think global warming is something that's going to affect us in the future rather than something that's affecting us right now. The Great Barrier Reef was declared dead only a matter of months ago, bee populations are in a nosedive, the cocoa plant is close to extinction also, natural disasters are becoming increasingly frequent and more intense than ever before; the list of global warming's effects on the planet is endless. We're lucky in more developed nations to not yet be facing the brunt of it but we soon will if we don;t tackle it now. I chose it as the no.1 threat because, whilst many if not all the others do pose great threats of their own to different extents, global warming encompasses many of the major ones affecting the most people.

[JustHaveFun]

It's all too common for people to think global warming is something that's going to affect us in the future rather than something that's affecting us right now. The Great Barrier Reef was declared dead only a matter of months ago, bee populations are in a nosedive, the cocoa plant is close to extinction also, natural disasters are becoming increasingly frequent and more intense than ever before; the list of global warming's effects on the planet is endless. We're lucky in more developed nations to not yet be facing the brunt of it but we soon will if we don;t tackle it now. I chose it as the no.1 threat because, whilst many if not all the others do pose great threats of their own to different extents, global warming encompasses many of the major ones affecting the most people.

I agree that it's affecting us right now, but its not killing humans on a mass scale right now, and it is not the number one threat because it is not too late to make changes to affect the worst potential effects that can destroy humanity. Yes, we are feeling effects from it right, but it's killing us slowly and I have enough faith in mankind that we will be able change our habits in the future.

[mattsmith48]

Most of these are not proven to be a major threat, terrorism is a very minor threat. Even the largest terror attack ever (9/11) only killed a little over two thousand people which is a small number in the grand scheme of things. I could see over population, global warming, or running out of resources being a issue in the distant future. A massive natural disaster like an asteroid would be devistating. We recently had a near miss from an asteroid in April, astronomers did not discover the object until 21 hours before it passed Earth (half the distance of the moon! That's scary close.)

https://www.space.com/40315-asteroid-2018-ge3-surprise-flyby.html

I don't see asteroid as that big of a threat, we are getting better at finding them and we have the technology rightnow to deflect a asteroid away all we need is the money to build the thing and have it ready to use when it is needed.

I agree that it's affecting us right now, but its not killing humans on a mass scale right now, and it is not the number one threat because it is not too late to make changes to affect the worst potential effects that can destroy humanity. Yes, we are feeling effects from it right, but it's killing us slowly and I have enough faith in mankind that we will be able change our habits in the future.

Well the hurricanes are killing people right now, so are the droughts and famines caused by climate change, the constant massive wildfires can't be good for you either.

Its not too late, its gonna get a lot worse but we still have time to make changes to avoid the worst. If we really committed to it and really invested in it not as individual countries but as one species fighting for the same goal we could realistically completely stop using fossil fuels within 10 years.

[Stronk Serb]

Global warming is just a cycle that happens as a prelude to every ice age, it is normal. What I am scared about is the resource shortage.

[Dmaxd123]

Global warming is just a cycle that happens as a prelude to every ice age, it is normal. What I am scared about is the resource shortage.

i agree 100% i'm aware of climate change and aware that we can accelerate it if we aren't careful but i'm not looking at it as a threat

[trackinglife]

I am laughing at all the people who voted for climate change. The History channel actually did a countdown of top ten most likely ways the world will end. Number 1 was a bioengineered pandemic. There are good reasons why that is most likely. There are 10's of thousands of chemists and biologists out there with relatively little government oversight compared to say nuclear engineers or atomic scientists. And this is true all over the world. So with that in mind lets look at Smallpox. Normally smallpox kills 1 out of every 3 people. But a Russian scientist was able to create a strain that kills darn near 3 out of 3. You might find some that survive but they would be so rare they would likely die for other reasons, lack of food, resources, etc.

Oh it is also funny how fearful people are of climate change even though recent reports showed a lot of climate change alarmists apologized for being well too alarming. They admitted that their doomsday predictions have not played out and that climate change likely won't be as bad as they first thought. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/950748/climate-change-scientists-impact-not-as-bad-on-planet

[HeyCameron]

I think nuclear war is unfortunately more likely than some of these other ones. I don't necessarily think climate change is going to "kill us all", but we are going to have to deal with the changing climate, e.g. where I live is going to have more drought, more wildfires, and less resources for the expanding population. Eventually we're going to have to come to terms with that.

[Thunderstorm]

OP here!

Global warming is just a cycle that happens as a prelude to every ice age, it is normal. What I am scared about is the resource shortage.

What about a climate crisis-induced resource shortage :yes:

I am laughing at all the people who voted for climate change. The History channel actually did a countdown of top ten most likely ways the world will end. Number 1 was a bioengineered pandemic. There are good reasons why that is most likely. There are 10's of thousands of chemists and biologists out there with relatively little government oversight compared to say nuclear engineers or atomic scientists. And this is true all over the world. So with that in mind lets look at Smallpox. Normally smallpox kills 1 out of every 3 people. But a Russian scientist was able to create a strain that kills darn near 3 out of 3. You might find some that survive but they would be so rare they would likely die for other reasons, lack of food, resources, etc.

Oh it is also funny how fearful people are of climate change even though recent reports showed a lot of climate change alarmists apologized for being well too alarming. They admitted that their doomsday predictions have not played out and that climate change likely won't be as bad as they first thought. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/950748/climate-change-scientists-impact-not-as-bad-on-planet

And on that same website, if you scroll down, you will find a gallery of photos highlighting the devastating effects of climate change.

I do agree, a bioengineered pandemic is a list topper. Climate Change, however, isn't being overdramatized, considering the threat of climate change already is and has been occurring for decades. The only thing is climate change is killing humanity slowly, as compared with all the other listed options which would wipe out mankind in a matter of moments.

[yeehaw]

The biggest problem right now is that the richest 1% are getting richer every minute while there are millions out there dying of starvation, dehydration or disease with no money, resources or anything to fall back on.

[InternetTeen]

We, the human race, are the biggest threat to Humanity.

[Spooky_Eli]

"Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"

[lliam]

it is also funny how fearful people are of climate change


Being concerned about climate change doesn't necessarily imply to fear it. And it'll have an enormous impact the way we live. But I suppose we get used to it. In one or another way.

At least, it's better to be afraid of it than kinda denying it, as such totally idiots like Donald T. proclaim it.

[ShineintheDark]

I am laughing at all the people who voted for climate change.

Your demeanor is disrespectful to other contributors and I'd advise you to tone it down a little, we're all equal here and should be 'laughing' at no one.

The History channel actually did a countdown of top ten most likely ways the world will end.

Ah you use the History channel as a primary source of information; this should be interesting.

Number 1 was a bioengineered pandemic. There are good reasons why that is most likely. There are 10's of thousands of chemists and biologists out there with relatively little government oversight compared to say nuclear engineers or atomic scientists. And this is true all over the world. So with that in mind lets look at Smallpox. Normally smallpox kills 1 out of every 3 people. But a Russian scientist was able to create a strain that kills darn near 3 out of 3. You might find some that survive but they would be so rare they would likely die for other reasons, lack of food, resources, etc.

Bio-engineered pandemics are certainly a frightening possibility but I doubt it's nearly as large of a problem as you make out. To create a pandemic intense and efficient enough to wipe out the entire human population would require an extremely high amount of funding and research that would very easily be discovered by government authorities if it hadn't already been discovered. Even n this worst-case scenario where some mad scientist has successfully created a strain that has the potential to wipe out the human race, death is never immediate in any of these cases, including smallpox. The symptoms would be increasingly visible and so it would become much easier to isolate those infected and, if it comes down to it, kill them off. In addition, no matter how effective of a pandemic, it would spread relatively slowly, allowing entire communities and sections of a country to be isolated until the pandemic is contained. Just look at the Ebola pandemic: even at the high rate of spreading and infection, it never came even remotely close to wiping out even a single nation's population because it was soon identified and contained. Furthermore, I can think of no disease or virus that kills instantly, allowing the infected person to isolate and kill themselves if it really came down to it. Look at the most dangerous strains of disease we have today: Ebola, MRSA (including the rare fully-antibiotic resistant MRSA), bubonic plague (still around in third-world countries): all have killed huge populations but all very well contained by authorities because by now we're pretty damn good at containing contagions.

Oh it is also funny how fearful people are of climate change even though recent reports showed a lot of climate change alarmists apologized for being well too alarming. They admitted that their doomsday predictions have not played out and that climate change likely won't be as bad as they first thought. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/950748/climate-change-scientists-impact-not-as-bad-on-planet
I'm in no way an expert on climate science so I won't even attempt to deconstruct their research but even at the 1.33/1.6 degrees increase stated in that article, that's still pretty bad. You've got to remember that's an average, with weather patterns being much more volatile than just a hot/cold dynamic. I'll give an example of where I live: in the month of March alone, we've had 3/4 cold waves that have brought us from your average rain and a few sunny spells to full on snowstorms. Cut to a mere month or so later and we hit our hottest periods on record before we even reach June. The danger of climate change isn't necessarily a general trend towards the warmer temperatures (though that poses its own risks), it's the increasingly volatile back and forth of weather patterns that ultimately cause the hurricanes, tsunamis, droughts, famines etc and kill of thousands, if not millions per year.

[trackinglife]

OP here!



What about a climate crisis-induced resource shortage :yes:



And on that same website, if you scroll down, you will find a gallery of photos highlighting the devastating effects of climate change.

I do agree, a bioengineered pandemic is a list topper. Climate Change, however, isn't being overdramatized, considering the threat of climate change already is and has been occurring for decades. The only thing is climate change is killing humanity slowly, as compared with all the other listed options which would wipe out mankind in a matter of moments.

Again no climate change is not killing humanity slowly. They theorize that it is responsible for some deaths but they are really reaching to even come to that conclusion. The fact is our environment HAS ALWAYS been responsible for some deaths no matter what the climate was. Basically throughout all of human history our greatest struggle has been to survive our environment. Our environment has always been our biggest killer, it includes other predators, poisons, pandemics, chemicals, pollution, other humans who murder, etc. Point being climate change is likely not going to kill any more of us than our environment has in the past.....That isn't to say we shouldn't be concerned about it somewhat. But people have been saying for over a 100 years now that it is the greatest threat of our time....yet they have disagreed about what kind of threat it even was first they thought we were going into an ice age, then they thought we were going to get super heated, then back to ice age. And on and on it goes. It is fear mongering plain and simple. Keeping in mind of course too many of the original fear mongers wanted population control to combat it. Meaning they wanted to sterilize and/or murder large populations to prevent climate change. Are these the kinds of people you want to listen to about the future?

You saw avengers infinity war right? Climate change alarmists are basically Thanos who apparently believed in the Malthusian economic theory even though its been debunked. Malthus didn't take into account the technological advances we would make which allowed food supply to actually outpace population growth. Our problem is not a lack of resources per se. Our problem is a lack of preserving resources to get it to the right places in the right amount of time to be useful and in a cost effective manner so that you are not bleeding money just to get it there.

So with all that being said. Stop the fear mongering, invest in technological advancements either with money, or research of your own. If you really want to help the world then that is what you should do.

Being concerned about climate change doesn't necessarily imply to fear it. And it'll have an enormous impact the way we live. But I suppose we get used to it. In one or another way.

At least, it's better to be afraid of it than kinda denying it, as such totally idiots like Donald T. proclaim it.

Yeah well I have never denied climate change....I just think its worth noting the climate has literally always changed throughout the history of the Earth's formation.....it is not a new event. As to how it is supposedly happening more rapidly this time....that is just a theory they don't know and they can't possibly know because they weren't there all those previous times. They can make somewhat educated guesses but that is really all they can do.

Your demeanor is disrespectful to other contributors and I'd advise you to tone it down a little, we're all equal here and should be 'laughing' at no one.

Ah you use the History channel as a primary source of information; this should be interesting.

Bio-engineered pandemics are certainly a frightening possibility but I doubt it's nearly as large of a problem as you make out. To create a pandemic intense and efficient enough to wipe out the entire human population would require an extremely high amount of funding and research that would very easily be discovered by government authorities if it hadn't already been discovered. Even n this worst-case scenario where some mad scientist has successfully created a strain that has the potential to wipe out the human race, death is never immediate in any of these cases, including smallpox. The symptoms would be increasingly visible and so it would become much easier to isolate those infected and, if it comes down to it, kill them off. In addition, no matter how effective of a pandemic, it would spread relatively slowly, allowing entire communities and sections of a country to be isolated until the pandemic is contained. Just look at the Ebola pandemic: even at the high rate of spreading and infection, it never came even remotely close to wiping out even a single nation's population because it was soon identified and contained. Furthermore, I can think of no disease or virus that kills instantly, allowing the infected person to isolate and kill themselves if it really came down to it. Look at the most dangerous strains of disease we have today: Ebola, MRSA (including the rare fully-antibiotic resistant MRSA), bubonic plague (still around in third-world countries): all have killed huge populations but all very well contained by authorities because by now we're pretty damn good at containing contagions.

I'm in no way an expert on climate science so I won't even attempt to deconstruct their research but even at the 1.33/1.6 degrees increase stated in that article, that's still pretty bad. You've got to remember that's an average, with weather patterns being much more volatile than just a hot/cold dynamic. I'll give an example of where I live: in the month of March alone, we've had 3/4 cold waves that have brought us from your average rain and a few sunny spells to full on snowstorms. Cut to a mere month or so later and we hit our hottest periods on record before we even reach June. The danger of climate change isn't necessarily a general trend towards the warmer temperatures (though that poses its own risks), it's the increasingly volatile back and forth of weather patterns that ultimately cause the hurricanes, tsunamis, droughts, famines etc and kill of thousands, if not millions per year.

You're making a lot of assumptions about bio-engineered pandemics and what they can and can't do. First off it wouldn't take as much funding as you think especially when the strain has already been discovered. Not like they have to research how to do it, it is already known now. Secondly they can release it in multiple areas all at once and they can release it in high traffic areas to prevent it being so localized as to easily kill off the infected. Have you ever played or read or heard about the game The Division. Think of dollar bills and other currency being used to spread the disease. That is just one way of doing it but there are so many others.

But in any case my concern is just that there isn't as much over sight over the people that COULD do such a thing. I think there should be more over sight that is all.

And yeah they have tried to say climate change caused all these hurricanes blah blah blah. And yet despite having some pretty bad ones last year. Their PREDICTIONS were much worse than what we got. And their predictions have been MUCH worse than what we got for DECADES NOW. I am simply pointing out we should take their PREDICTIONS with a grain of salt. And again Hurricanes have kind of always happened except perhaps during the long ice age. So I suppose we could figure out a way to create an ice age if you really want to avoid hurricanes......course that has problems all its own. There is no way to prevent all the natural disasters you brought up. As for volatility. Again they haven't actually shown that it is any more volatile than it's been in the past. Granted for most of human history we didn't really have records to compare to but still.

Also worth noting it is possible that the magnetic poles are shifting and that would do FAR more to cause natural disasters than anything else and there is really NOTHING we can do to prevent that.

Posts merged. Use the multi quote button next time. ~Mars

[PlasmaHam]

Whether or not you agree climate change is happening, there is still huge speculation on the impacts of it. The most visible theories are that of huge global catastrophe, but there are also many predictions where it will just mildly, or even barely, affect humanity at all. People instantly jump to the global catastrophe theories, because it is more dramatic, and gets better media ratings and government funding when it sounds like it is an immediate threat to your life and limb, but there really isn't any evidence that it is more likely than mild effects.


I think the biggest threat currently is a war over Israel. In my opinion that is the most likely path to global war. War with North Korea, if it does happen, will almost certainly remain a regional conflict not unlike it was in the 50s. I could see a war between Israel and the Arab states easily spreading into World War III.

[mattsmith48]

Global warming is just a cycle that happens as a prelude to every ice age, it is normal. What I am scared about is the resource shortage.

Warming as never been this quick or this bad before, this is different.

I am laughing at all the people who voted for climate change. The History channel actually did a countdown of top ten most likely ways the world will end.

A channel mostly known for reality shows and conspiracy theories is not really what I would call a reliable source. Even CNN went ''History Channel? Really?''

Oh it is also funny how fearful people are of climate change even though recent reports showed a lot of climate change alarmists apologized for being well too alarming. They admitted that their doomsday predictions have not played out and that climate change likely won't be as bad as they first thought. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/950748/climate-change-scientists-impact-not-as-bad-on-planet

An article that starts with a video of a conspiracy theorist saying climate change is not a real problem is not a source that should be taken seriously, please find another one from something a little more reliable.


What about a climate crisis-induced resource shortage :yes:

You mean what is happening rightnow?

Again no climate change is not killing humanity slowly. They theorize that it is responsible for some deaths but they are really reaching to even come to that conclusion. The fact is our environment HAS ALWAYS been responsible for some deaths no matter what the climate was. Basically throughout all of human history our greatest struggle has been to survive our environment. Our environment has always been our biggest killer, it includes other predators, poisons, pandemics, chemicals, pollution, other humans who murder, etc. Point being climate change is likely not going to kill any more of us than our environment has in the past.....That isn't to say we shouldn't be concerned about it somewhat. But people have been saying for over a 100 years now that it is the greatest threat of our time....yet they have disagreed about what kind of threat it even was first they thought we were going into an ice age, then they thought we were going to get super heated, then back to ice age. And on and on it goes. It is fear mongering plain and simple. Keeping in mind of course too many of the original fear mongers wanted population control to combat it. Meaning they wanted to sterilize and/or murder large populations to prevent climate change. Are these the kinds of people you want to listen to about the future?

You saw avengers infinity war right? Climate change alarmists are basically Thanos who apparently believed in the Malthusian economic theory even though its been debunked. Malthus didn't take into account the technological advances we would make which allowed food supply to actually outpace population growth. Our problem is not a lack of resources per se. Our problem is a lack of preserving resources to get it to the right places in the right amount of time to be useful and in a cost effective manner so that you are not bleeding money just to get it there.

So with all that being said. Stop the fear mongering, invest in technological advancements either with money, or research of your own. If you really want to help the world then that is what you should do.

Yeah well I have never denied climate change....I just think its worth noting the climate has literally always changed throughout the history of the Earth's formation.....it is not a new event. As to how it is supposedly happening more rapidly this time....that is just a theory they don't know and they can't possibly know because they weren't there all those previous times. They can make somewhat educated guesses but that is really all they can do.

You are saying you don't deny climate change, everything you are saying sounds a lot like what other conspiracy theorists who deny climate change are saying.

Whether or not you agree climate change is happening, there is still huge speculation on the impacts of it. The most visible theories are that of huge global catastrophe, but there are also many predictions where it will just mildly, or even barely, affect humanity at all. People instantly jump to the global catastrophe theories, because it is more dramatic, and gets better media ratings and government funding when it sounds like it is an immediate threat to your life and limb, but there really isn't any evidence that it is more likely than mild effects.

Ask the people in Florida, Houston and Puerto Rico, or all the people on the west coast who constantly have to move because of major wildfires or people from all over the world suffering from famine and the massive droughts caused by climate change, ask them is climate change mildly or barely affect humanity.

I think the biggest threat currently is a war over Israel. In my opinion that is the most likely path to global war. War with North Korea, if it does happen, will almost certainly remain a regional conflict not unlike it was in the 50s. I could see a war between Israel and the Arab states easily spreading into World War III.

With North Korea it depends on who starts it, as China said they will be on the side of the country that is attacked.

As for Israel the fact they have nuclear weapons makes the situation a little more delicate, but except for the people who live in the region it is not really that pressing of an issue.

[trackinglife]

Warming as never been this quick or this bad before, this is different.



A channel mostly known for reality shows and conspiracy theories is not really what I would call a reliable source. Even CNN went ''History Channel? Really?''



An article that starts with a video of a conspiracy theorist saying climate change is not a real problem is not a source that should be taken seriously, please find another one from something a little more reliable.



You mean what is happening rightnow?





You are saying you don't deny climate change, everything you are saying sounds a lot like what other conspiracy theorists who deny climate change are saying.



Ask the people in Florida, Houston and Puerto Rico, or all the people on the west coast who constantly have to move because of major wildfires or people from all over the world suffering from famine and the massive droughts caused by climate change, ask them is climate change mildly or barely affect humanity.



With North Korea it depends on who starts it, as China said they will be on the side of the country that is attacked.

As for Israel the fact they have nuclear weapons makes the situation a little more delicate, but except for the people who live in the region it is not really that pressing of an issue.


"You are saying you don't deny climate change, everything you are saying sounds a lot like what other conspiracy theorists who deny climate change are saying."

Uh huh well everything you say is very similar to arguments made by people who advocate population control by instituting state mandated murder as well as sterilization.....does that mean you are just like them because you say many of the same things as them?

[Thunderstorm]

Again no climate change is not killing humanity slowly. They theorize that it is responsible for some deaths but they are really reaching to even come to that conclusion. The fact is our environment HAS ALWAYS been responsible for some deaths no matter what the climate was. Basically throughout all of human history our greatest struggle has been to survive our environment. Our environment has always been our biggest killer, it includes other predators, poisons, pandemics, chemicals, pollution, other humans who murder, etc. Point being climate change is likely not going to kill any more of us than our environment has in the past.....That isn't to say we shouldn't be concerned about it somewhat. But people have been saying for over a 100 years now that it is the greatest threat of our time....yet they have disagreed about what kind of threat it even was first they thought we were going into an ice age, then they thought we were going to get super heated, then back to ice age. And on and on it goes. It is fear mongering plain and simple. Keeping in mind of course too many of the original fear mongers wanted population control to combat it. Meaning they wanted to sterilize and/or murder large populations to prevent climate change. Are these the kinds of people you want to listen to about the future?

You saw avengers infinity war right? Climate change alarmists are basically Thanos who apparently believed in the Malthusian economic theory even though its been debunked. Malthus didn't take into account the technological advances we would make which allowed food supply to actually outpace population growth. Our problem is not a lack of resources per se. Our problem is a lack of preserving resources to get it to the right places in the right amount of time to be useful and in a cost effective manner so that you are not bleeding money just to get it there.

So with all that being said. Stop the fear mongering, invest in technological advancements either with money, or research of your own. If you really want to help the world then that is what you should do.

Climate Change IS killing humanity slowly. But it will ramp up, very soon. As a Meteorology major (hence why I brought up this topic), I can tell you that ;)

I didn't see avengers, but I do agree with a problem with lack of resources, specifically preventing them from depletion as you said. Climate change is all about preventative measures so that we are prepared for the next major hurricane, severe storm, or wildfire.

[trackinglife]

Climate Change IS killing humanity slowly. But it will ramp up, very soon. As a Meteorology major (hence why I brought up this topic), I can tell you that ;)

I didn't see avengers, but I do agree with a problem with lack of resources, specifically preventing them from depletion as you said. Climate change is all about preventative measures so that we are prepared for the next major hurricane, severe storm, or wildfire.

First off not all meteorologists agree with the current climate change alarmism. Secondly I have had most people who argue FOR climate change tell me that the weather is not the same as climate. So you studying meteorology does provide you information regarding the atmosphere but mostly it focuses on weather in the atmosphere. If weather is not the same as climate then what good are you on this topic?

As for what climate change is all about. No it is not all about preparing for the next major natural disaster. As I said some of the first climate change alarmists just wanted to kill a bunch of people and sterilize a bunch of people. It had little to do with preparing for the next natural disaster and more to do with saving resources for those people with whom they most wanted to live.....it went hand in hand with eugenics really.

As for what climate change is about today.... it is mostly about crippling powerful economies. This is done for many reasons but mostly I think it is done to give different people an opportunity to be rich or richer. Take Al Gore for example who pushed the idea of carbon credits being super important to climate change but he also made a FORTUNE off the carbon credit market. He didn't disclose initially that he had a stake in carbon credits when he was preaching about how important they were. Seems like a conflict of interests doesn't it?

[Some Kid]

As of right now it’s nuclear war. In the next 50 years if humanity doesn’t step up it’ll be climate change

[Thunderstorm]

First off not all meteorologists agree with the current climate change alarmism. Secondly I have had most people who argue FOR climate change tell me that the weather is not the same as climate. So you studying meteorology does provide you information regarding the atmosphere but mostly it focuses on weather in the atmosphere. If weather is not the same as climate then what good are you on this topic?

As for what climate change is all about. No it is not all about preparing for the next major natural disaster. As I said some of the first climate change alarmists just wanted to kill a bunch of people and sterilize a bunch of people. It had little to do with preparing for the next natural disaster and more to do with saving resources for those people with whom they most wanted to live.....it went hand in hand with eugenics really.

As for what climate change is about today.... it is mostly about crippling powerful economies. This is done for many reasons but mostly I think it is done to give different people an opportunity to be rich or richer. Take Al Gore for example who pushed the idea of carbon credits being super important to climate change but he also made a FORTUNE off the carbon credit market. He didn't disclose initially that he had a stake in carbon credits when he was preaching about how important they were. Seems like a conflict of interests doesn't it?

Climatology is a branch of atmospheric Science. My degree is in Atmospheric Science, which includes the workings of the atmosphere that influence weather, atmospheric physics, atmospheric chemistry and CLIMATOLOGY. Most, if not all meteorologists touch on climatology and climate change at some point in their studies. Most meteorologists are able to connect the doings of the daily weather to the climate as a whole. There IS a connection, but I wouldn't expect you to know that since you aren't a meteorology major.

Climate Change is ALL about PREVENTATIVE measures in an effort to mitigate the effects of the next big storm. Relief and recovery efforts cost more money and only provide temporary relief. Preventing climate change provides the needed security that is necessary to prevent from total environmental failure.

[trackinglife]

Climatology is a branch of atmospheric Science. My degree is in Atmospheric Science, which includes the workings of the atmosphere that influence weather, atmospheric physics, atmospheric chemistry and CLIMATOLOGY. Most, if not all meteorologists touch on climatology and climate change at some point in their studies. Most meteorologists are able to connect the doings of the daily weather to the climate as a whole. There IS a connection, but I wouldn't expect you to know that since you aren't a meteorology major.

Climate Change is ALL about PREVENTATIVE measures in an effort to mitigate the effects of the next big storm. Relief and recovery efforts cost more money and only provide temporary relief. Preventing climate change provides the needed security that is necessary to prevent from total environmental failure.

So you have a degree....so I guess if you join as a teen you can just stay on this teen forum forever huh?

"there is a connection." Yes I know that. For someone with a degree in atmospheric science your reading comprehension sucks. Notice I said people have said to me that climate change and the weather are not really connected they are two different things. Now why would they say that to me? Could it be because I said the two WERE CONNECTED? So you can flaunt your little degree and act like you are so much smarter but all you have really done is proven that you lack the ability to read between the lines. I guess you require everything to be explicitly stated for you to make sense of it.....so here it is explicitly stated now.

"Preventing climate change provides the needed security that is necessary to prevent from total environmental failure." I think we all know that we lack the ability to PREVENT climate change. The climate will change regardless of anything we do. Whether or not it will change drastically is another story. Though it is worth noting that the doomsday theorists have stated we are past the point of no return anyway. So whatever they thought was going to happen in the next century, is in fact GOING to happen no matter what we do at this point. However the latest research suggests that their predictions won't be as bad as they first predicted. But either way we are past the point of no return. And by that I mean if we cut carbon emissions down to 0% climate change is STILL going to happen. If all of humanity died tomorrow and all the factories and everything shut down, climate change would still HAPPEN.

Honest question for everyone. Considering ALL of their predictions regarding climate change have turned out to be wrong except one "that the climate is changing" which is a vague prediction at best. Sort of like saying someone will eventually win the lottery.....if you can't give us the actual numbers and the date it will happen then what good are you....But anyway considering all the times they have been wrong why do you all still trust them so steadfastly? It seems like a sort of dogmatic faith in the scientific priesthood. No matter how often they are wrong your confirmation bias won't allow you to stop believing them.....

Posts merged. Use the multi quote button next time. ~Mars

[mattsmith48]

"You are saying you don't deny climate change, everything you are saying sounds a lot like what other conspiracy theorists who deny climate change are saying."

Uh huh well everything you say is very similar to arguments made by people who advocate population control by instituting state mandated murder as well as sterilization.....does that mean you are just like them because you say many of the same things as them?

When did I say that?

[ibstudent]

For me it's resource shortage, AI isn't an issue unless we make a bunch of HAL 9000's, pls don't do that. Nukes means everyone dies so I think no one really wants to go down that route unless it's like a Star Trek sorta thing. Bio stuff could be concerning but it's a meh on the alarm scale. Global warming and Ozone Depletion are 2 very different things. One is by chlorofluorocarbons and the other is by carbon. While carbon isn't bad, reference the carbon cycle. Too much is an issue i.e. Global warming. So all these peeps saying ozone depletion is bad is technically right but no one knows really. Climate change seems to be a natural occurrence according to past climates we should be in a ice age in a couple thousand years.

[Lucy G]

Of course there is no right answer, but there have been several studies done and they all seem to come to the same conclusion. Can you guess which one? Which one do you personally think is most threatening? (They are in no particular order)
Climate change or terrorism for me. I could only vote for one though

[mattsmith48]

Climate change or terrorism for me. I could only vote for one though

Pick the one that is really a threat, terrorism is not a threat to humanity

[Lucy G]

Pick the one that is really a threat, terrorism is not a threat to humanity

Oh I already did

[Max the Disenchanter]

Climate change, but obviously nuclear war would be the worst.

[TheMagicPotato]

Stupidity.

[BlackParadePixie]

zombie apocalypse, of course.

[Ragle]

The biggest thread ever is humanity itself and all the bigotry that comes with it being human.

[Uniquemind]

Well, we still haven’t found that missing CDC worker that vanished a few months ago. I believe he worked in the infectious diseases section of the agency.


Weird the media didn’t update us on that story. Or maybe i missed it.


The problem is the OP posits that each issue be examined separately, when the model of hypothesis is wrong, given that one issue usually causes an exacerbation in other issues.

Right now, terrestrial unknowns would be the biggest threat, which includes climate change given that once the sea levels rise by 2045, as many as 300K homes and businesses will be flooded annually and uninhabitable.

France and parts of Europe dependent on annual tourism flood annually with museum and art damaging valuable property....it creates a domino effect worldwide.


Resources become scarcer, and people start justifying more cutthroat policies and laws and even criminal actions of all sorts to “get theirs and survive” and moral decay and human empathy will erode in a vicious cycle not just at a community level, but at an international scale.


In addition to this, nuclear plants that exist near coastlines are not designed to deal with salt water corrosion which could cause Fukushima meltdowns on a global scale.

Meaning food chains would be largely ruined as would many species sexual reproductive systems.


Heat is also causing many insects to proliferate with natural predators like bats getting fried by heat ( this is happening Australia ).


Parts of California and Arizona are also slowly being taken over by Africanized bees, and this is bad...really bad and dangerous.



Added on top of everything we are likely to see anti-biotic resistant diseases rise such as std’s Rise and proliferate when you measure sexual culture patterns of condom use versus just trying sex without any protection against std’s.

The flu, and whooping cough, and other diseases like TB, are somewhat returning because people aren’t vaccinated or believe conspiracy theories about why they shouldn’t get vaccinated or because their “freedom”, is infringed. All it take s is for one of those microrganisms to mutate while in an unvaccinated person and it can go viral especially if it’s a airborne virus.

Ebola luckily was not an airborne virus, so we did not see this occur or spread, but because we didn’t see it become a pandemic is not a foundation to argue it can’t happen.

Remember the Spanish flu of the early 1900’s. There’s reason that’s mentioned in history books.

[NewLeafsFan]

I think trade war, climate change, and resource shortages might all be the same thing and are strongly connected

[Max the Disenchanter]

Donald Trump

[Leprous]

Donald Trump

Can you give us some good reason why? And not just "he's a racist fascist pig". At this point I'm truly wondering if you are being serious or trying to bait people.

[samuel15]

If you don't answer climate change you are either an idiot or a conspiracy theorist

You would be correct in a few years perhaps but right now climate change isn't a big or scary problem. It is manageable at it's current status.

[Max the Disenchanter]

You would be correct in a few years perhaps but right now climate change isn't a big or scary problem. It is manageable at it's current status.

In that case, we did a terrible job managing the hurricane that wiped out Puerto Rico.

[samuel15]

In that case, we did a terrible job managing the hurricane that wiped out Puerto Rico.

That is a great counter argument! I think I was at least a bit right, it will be worse in the future.

[Nicky47]

In that case, we did a terrible job managing the hurricane that wiped out Puerto Rico.

My state was hit by harvey then florida got hit puerto rico came after those two and guess what if there were more people who volunteered instead of complaining on forums there Wouldn't be those issues cuz ill venture to guess you did nothing all the critics on my state was from outsiders like you if you want to see recovery efforts change stop complaining and go volunteer bc trump cant create magical volunteers and THAT was puerto ricos prob nice try tho

[Gvanni]

It’s pitiful how many people are uneducated about the current issues in the world. Climate change, resource shortages, this is all now. We are all just in the most prestigious countries and can’t feel it yet. Take some time to research it and you’ll find what is happening is very grave.

[Tim the Enchanter]

Humanity

[HeyCameron]

I think trade war, climate change, and resource shortages might all be the same thing and are strongly connected

They definitely are connected, I'm positive of that. Humanity can't continue at the pace (of population/economic growth) that it's currently at forever. The turning point is probably not as close as some doomsayers say, but it's coming.

[Snowfox]

IN case you didnt know there has been hurricanes before. Hurricanes were not invented by Trump.
Just in case you didnt knew.
Also trade wars are not new thing in world history. They are inevitable in case when another trade partner plays foul game. When trade does not benefit both sides whats the point doing it.

Resource shortage is risk certainly but it can be managed if we want to.

[amazmain]

Gluten. It is the source of all evil ;)

[ShineintheDark]

IN case you didnt know there has been hurricanes before. Hurricanes were not invented by Trump.
Just in case you didnt knew.

Strawman argument. No one said hurricanes only appeared during the current presidency but his policy of ignoring climate change because 'it's a hoax created by the Chinese to stifle the US economy' doesn't help with their frequency.

Also trade wars are not new thing in world history. They are inevitable in case when another trade partner plays foul game. When trade does not benefit both sides whats the point doing it.
Trade wars never end well. Just look at the US by the end of the 20s: high tariffs and trade wars just lead to a decline in trade to your nation. Can't get steel and aluminum from US companies? UK benefits. Can't import US crops? Holland jumps in excitement. Beginning a trade war is a death sentence in the long run because whatever you refuse to trade for low prices, another nation will take over supplying. Where does that leave your nation? Poor, without trade and heavily dependent on other countries for survival. After all, the US successfully brought the Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba, NK, China etc to their knees with trade embargoes that ultimately do the exact same thing.

The issue with Trump is that he's taking on trade as a businessman and not as a president: he's going in with the policy of 'if they're not getting screwed over, I must be' and therefore he's happily tearing to shreds international diplomacy and relations with countries that are happy to negotiate in order to be serenaded by nations that promise him the world but really just want US trade (Russia). Just look at G7; he blew off the UK, Germany, Japan, Italy, Canada and France to improve relations with Russia. Smart move Donald.

Resource shortage is risk certainly but it can be managed if we want to.

It really depends on which resources. Crop yield can always increase by expanding farmland (though often at the expense of forests) and most metals are easily recycled . However, the resource that the world is running out of most rapidly (fossil fuels) cannot be replaced. It takes millions of years for these fuels to naturally occur and so we are burning through them hundreds if not thousands of times faster than the time it takes for them to form again. The more scarce a resource such as fossil fuels becomes, the more desperately nations will fight to obtain them and therefore the more of a risk shortages become to international peace. It's not even all to do with oil: Ukraine is one of the most temperate and fertile regions of Europe that Russia has fiercely defended for hundreds of years, do you really think Putin invaded Crimea wholly for patriotic reasons?

[mattsmith48]

You would be correct in a few years perhaps but right now climate change isn't a big or scary problem. It is manageable at it's current status.

Year round wild fires, constant heat waves in the middle of winter, droughts, the constant raise in global temperatures year after year, constant record breaking heat, hurricanes getting bigger and stronger every time, the dying oceans, the melting ice caps, raising oceans, etc. All this shit is happening now!

My state was hit by harvey then florida got hit puerto rico came after those two and guess what if there were more people who volunteered instead of complaining on forums there Wouldn't be those issues cuz ill venture to guess you did nothing all the critics on my state was from outsiders like you if you want to see recovery efforts change stop complaining and go volunteer bc trump cant create magical volunteers and THAT was puerto ricos prob nice try tho

If we didn't put shit in the atmosphere and the oceans weren't warming at an alarming rate, no one would have to complain about hurricanes.

IN case you didnt know there has been hurricanes before. Hurricanes were not invented by Trump.


His war on the environment will certainly makes the hurricanes worst

[samuel15]

Year round wild fires, constant heat waves in the middle of winter, droughts, the constant raise in global temperatures year after year, constant record breaking heat, hurricanes getting bigger and stronger every time, the dying oceans, the melting ice caps, raising oceans, etc. All this shit is happening now!

Yes all that is happening and it will destroy the future, but at the moment we can handle it. There isn't one issue that will threaten human life if we properly handle it!

[HeyCameron]

The wildfire season in California has already started. Every year it seems to get worse and worse. The most destructive and largest wildfires in California were both in 2017 and out of the 10 largest, only 1 didn't happen in the past 15 years. That doesn't mean this change is all man-made, but there is a change. It doesn't make me feel good about the future, but I hope we can handle it.

[mattsmith48]

The wildfire season in California has already started. Every year it seems to get worse and worse. The most destructive and largest wildfires in California were both in 2017 and out of the 10 largest, only 1 didn't happen in the past 15 years. That doesn't mean this change is all man-made, but there is a change. It doesn't make me feel good about the future, but I hope we can handle it.

Ive seen the pictures and videos it doesn't look like wildfires, it looks like hell.

Also Yes this is man-made there is no longer any questions about it!

[Snowfox]

Year round wild fires, constant heat waves in the middle of winter, droughts, the constant raise in global temperatures year after year, constant record breaking heat, hurricanes getting bigger and stronger every time, the dying oceans, the melting ice caps, raising oceans, etc. All this shit is happening now!



If we didn't put shit in the atmosphere and the oceans weren't warming at an alarming rate, no one would have to complain about hurricanes.



His war on the environment will certainly makes the hurricanes worst

Wildfires are because there are people who set places to fire. Like Chinese and muslims and Canadians and Mexicans. Build that wall to souther border as well as to Northern border and situation gets better.
Heat wave in middwinter is called fewer.
And climate change while it is happening its not manmade on larger scale. Small local scale yes but global scale no its just Chinese conspiracy to kill USA.
So was said in church

[mattsmith48]

Wildfires are because there are people who set places to fire. Like Chinese and muslims and Canadians and Mexicans. Build that wall to souther border as well as to Northern border and situation gets better.
Heat wave in middwinter is called fewer.
And climate change while it is happening its not manmade on larger scale. Small local scale yes but global scale no its just Chinese conspiracy to kill USA.
So was said in church

I wonder who would know more about climate change, every scientists in the world or a religious leader who teaches bullshit to kids?

[PlasmaHam]

ROTW Trolls

[Uniquemind]

Big fires are going on near UC Santa Barbara right now.

Other states besides CA that have burned badly to my memory and the sometimes yielded to major flood damage are Colorado, Nevada, Washington State, Arizona, Idaho and Texas.

Even if you don’t believe in human acceleration of global warming, the monetary costs on state and federal budgets and therefore the need to raise taxes, is enormous resources drain on wealth and dangerous to life and communities.

Idk how you fix this when you allow for freedoms for individuals and businesses who insist on their way in their livelihoods, which adds to the problem, not just here but abroad too.

[awsomekid23]

People themselves

[TristanM]

I think we (people) are our own worst enemies so whatever ends the world will probably be our fault. I think a man created plague is first or a nuclear war is second. I am still hoping for a zombie apocalypse though because I am totally ready for that. I even have a go bag in my closet and I can outrun most of my friends :D