Opiates discussion

[Stronk Serb]

Alright, here we discuss opiates and legality of them. Which should be banned, and which should be legal.

For tobacco, I believe the monopoly should be broken down. I mean you have three conglomerates, Japan Tobacco International, Phillip-Moriss, British-American Tobacco... They hold too much clout within governments. I believe smoking should be restricted in some places, or have separate smoking and no smoking areas. Also tobacco taxes should be lower, since it would encourage competition among the small tobacco farms.

Alcohol- should be legal and as-is, lower taxes on it.

Other opiates:
Declare war on Xanax. That shit is literally worse than heroin. Discontinue production, crack down on the dealers and shut the whole operation down. I mean, in the last years, more people died from Xanax in the UK than from speed, cocaine and ecstasy combined.
For other drugs, target dealers and try do re-integrate addicts through rehab, community service and support. Shift the focus from chasing addicts to chasing dealers and helping the afflicted.
Make growing weed legal for the purpose of it's oil and use in medicinal purposes.
Strictly regulate painkillers and other addictive medication. Medication is the most dangerous because it is readily available in every pharmacy.

[mattsmith48]

Alright, here we discuss opiates and legality of them. Which should be banned, and which should be legal.

For tobacco, I believe the monopoly should be broken down. I mean you have three conglomerates, Japan Tobacco International, Phillip-Moriss, British-American Tobacco... They hold too much clout within governments. I believe smoking should be restricted in some places, or have separate smoking and no smoking areas. Also tobacco taxes should be lower, since it would encourage competition among the small tobacco farms.

Alcohol- should be legal and as-is, lower taxes on it.

Other opiates:
Declare war on Xanax. That shit is literally worse than heroin. Discontinue production, crack down on the dealers and shut the whole operation down. I mean, in the last years, more people died from Xanax in the UK than from speed, cocaine and ecstasy combined.
For other drugs, target dealers and try do re-integrate addicts through rehab, community service and support. Shift the focus from chasing addicts to chasing dealers and helping the afflicted.
Make growing weed legal for the purpose of it's oil and use in medicinal purposes.
Strictly regulate painkillers and other addictive medication. Medication is the most dangerous because it is readily available in every pharmacy.

Taxes on things like alcohol and tobacco are in place to deter potential new users from starting and to help pay for the cost in health care when they inevitably get sick from the smoking or over use of alcohol. Cutting those taxes will only cause the taxes of other non-users to raise.

For the rest I'm for decriminalizing all drugs no matter what and focus more on rehab not punishment. Addiction is a mental health problem not a criminal one.

For pot it should be legal for recreational use and free access to medical pot

[Snowfox]

I would like to add swedish match to that tobacco company list and V2 tobacco as well.
Snus being smokeless tobacco is far less dangerous compared to smoked one.

When it comes to drugs... Pot should be legal just like alcohol and taxed like alcohol just to collect funds for public spending.
Every drug has medical use and nonmedical use. I would not outright ban any of them just cause someone dislikes them or because some individuals misuse them.

Drugs dont kill people... People kill themself with drugs.

[mattsmith48]

I would like to add swedish match to that tobacco company list and V2 tobacco as well.
Snus being smokeless tobacco is far less dangerous compared to smoked one.

No its not a quick google search would have told you that.

Drugs dont kill people... People kill themself with drugs.

Not really, if you die of a drug overdose, its the drug that killed you. If you get drunk, take your car and die in a crash, its the alcohol that killed you, unless you are trying to kill yourself. If you die from lung cancer caused by smoking thats what killed you not the Cancer or yourself.

[PlasmaHam]

For tobacco, I believe the monopoly should be broken down. I mean you have three conglomerates, Japan Tobacco International, Phillip-Moriss, British-American Tobacco... They hold too much clout within governments. I believe smoking should be restricted in some places, or have separate smoking and no smoking areas. Also tobacco taxes should be lower, since it would encourage competition among the small tobacco farms.
The tobacco market has been experiencing major downturns over the last twenty years. These big conglomerates are the only entities keeping the market from completely collapsing. I live near one of the biggest subsidies of British-American Tobacco, and right now the local farmers are almost entirely dependent on them buying their tobacco. Without that company, the single biggest tobacco market in the USA would implode.

I agree about the taxes. Tobacco taxes are ridiculous, and aren't helping anyone besides the politicians who want more money. And of course public and private places should have the right to define what is and isn't a smoking area.

I believe that in general, any substance that produces mind-altering affects needs to be regulated to some extent. On the subject of marijuana, I am actually fine with it being permitted purely medicinally, in the same manner as prescription drugs. The problem is that it is being prescribed far too often and without real warrant, similar to how opioids were prescribed before the recent crackdown.

[Dmaxd123]

i'm all for legalized pot BUT there has to be a good easy fast reliable test like the Breathalyzer for it

i don't care what people do at home but too many people are drunk, high, or otherwise impaired then going out on the road


as far as the taxes: i'm fine with them being a bit higher as matt said a lot of it goes back to the health care for prevention, education, research, and treatment

[Stronk Serb]

i'm all for legalized pot BUT there has to be a good easy fast reliable test like the Breathalyzer for it

i don't care what people do at home but too many people are drunk, high, or otherwise impaired then going out on the road


as far as the taxes: i'm fine with them being a bit higher as matt said a lot of it goes back to the health care for prevention, education, research, and treatment

I agree. I mean, I am not impaired by a bottle of red wine, but I would not drive. I know friends who drive high. Slower reaction times or erratic behavior costs live and limb.

The tobacco market has been experiencing major downturns over the last twenty years. These big conglomerates are the only entities keeping the market from completely collapsing. I live near one of the biggest subsidies of British-American Tobacco, and right now the local farmers are almost entirely dependent on them buying their tobacco. Without that company, the single biggest tobacco market in the USA would implode.
I believe that in general, any substance that produces mind-altering affects needs to be regulated to some extent. On the subject of marijuana, I am actually fine with it being permitted purely medicinally, in the same manner as prescription drugs. The problem is that it is being prescribed far too often and without real warrant, similar to how opioids were prescribed before the recent crackdown.

Here tobacco farming is dying out due to British-American. Selling our tobacco industry to them was a big mistake.

Xanax is hell, I mean that shit is perscribed in the US as if it were candy, but the addictions of it are worse than heroin.

[Dmaxd123]

I agree. I mean, I am not impaired by a bottle of red wine, but I would not drive. I know friends who drive high. Slower reaction times or erratic behavior costs live and limb.



Here tobacco farming is dying out due to British-American. Selling our tobacco industry to them was a big mistake.

Xanax is hell, I mean that shit is perscribed in the US as if it were candy, but the addictions of it are worse than heroin.

and sadly the life & limb is usually the innocent person which is why i say we need a reliable test first

[Spooky_Eli]

Not really, if you die of a drug overdose, its the drug that killed you. If you get drunk, take your car and die in a crash, its the alcohol that killed you, unless you are trying to kill yourself. If you die from lung cancer caused by smoking thats what killed you not the Cancer or yourself.if you take drugs and od, you only have yourself to blame, you killed you, not the drugs, same with alcohol, cancer is no conparason as you didn't consent to it.

[mattsmith48]

if you take drugs and od, you only have yourself to blame, you killed you, not the drugs, same with alcohol, cancer is no conparason as you didn't consent to it.

They can only be blame for starting after that addiction takes over and you cannot blame the person if they die from drug overdose.

[Spooky_Eli]

They can only be blame for starting after that addiction takes over and you cannot blame the person if they die from drug overdose.not really, asking for help isn't hard, but thay don't=then thay end up od'ing with only themselves to blame

[mattsmith48]

not really, asking for help isn't hard, but thay don't=then thay end up od'ing with only themselves to blame

It goes beyond asking for help, its an addiction, you can't stop just like that

[Spooky_Eli]

It goes beyond asking for help, its an addiction, you can't stop just like thattheres this thing matt, its called rehab dunno if you've herd of it...

[CarlHolland]

i`m think its disgusting

[Stronk Serb]

It goes beyond asking for help, its an addiction, you can't stop just like that

It is kinda your fault to begin with. I mean you started. Then you let yourself get addicted, and then you overdosed. No one forced you to take any drugs, no one, you just said yes. You and you alone are to blame.

[Snowfox]

It is kinda your fault to begin with. I mean you started. Then you let yourself get addicted, and then you overdosed. No one forced you to take any drugs, no one, you just said yes. You and you alone are to blame.

That was pretty much what I was looking. However main idea of left is that you as person are not responsible of what happens anywhere on anything. Blame drugs, guns, cars, white people, straight people, meat eating people, police, society, employers and of course Trump but never look to mirror. Those were things that you are allowed to blame.

Of course there are holy cows in leftist epistola such as Islam, Immigrants, Socialism, Veganism, Drugs etc.

For some odd reason I find these taboos disgusting. I like to mock all of those when ever I see there are reasons.
Of course I love to bash muslims.

[mattsmith48]

It is kinda your fault to begin with. I mean you started. Then you let yourself get addicted, and then you overdosed. No one forced you to take any drugs, no one, you just said yes. You and you alone are to blame.

If someone commits suicide you can't blame them for not getting help when they still could, its the same thing for drug addiction

[Stronk Serb]

If someone commits suicide you can't blame them for not getting help when they still could, its the same thing for drug addiction

Yes I can. Both cases are sad, but it is only them and them to blame. It's their fault. Do you think it is my fault that I started smoking? I think it is. No one forced me and now I struggle with an addiction. Great for me!

[mattsmith48]

Yes I can. Both cases are sad, but it is only them and them to blame. It's their fault. Do you think it is my fault that I started smoking? I think it is. No one forced me and now I struggle with an addiction. Great for me!

It is your fault you started but it is not your fault you cant stop

[Dmaxd123]

I blame the user for their addiction & OD:

"You are free to choose, but you are not free of the consequences of your choice"

you know the risks of drugs, tobacco & alcohol... it is up to the user to decide which risks they want to chase. I agree once you get hooked you keep wanting something"more" but everyone knows going in the risk that it may become a dangerous addiction

[Stronk Serb]

It is your fault you started but it is not your fault you cant stop

It is. I do not want to muster the strength to do it.

[trackinglife]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYMRCwRJVI They talk about it in this video. They go over how it happened and its happened more than once. I think we will end up making the same mistake btw. I think what will end up happening this time is they will legalize weed in more and more places as a substitute for opiates and people will just get addicted to THC in marijuana. Yes I know people always try to say Marijuana is not addictive.....they are lying or ignorant one of the two.

http://drug.addictionblog.org/is-thc-addictive/