Something seems off in this

[Lovelife090994]

Know what I don't get as a Christian? Christians have had a shaky history, as have homosexuals and the like then. If the Bible was not finished until around 132 BC or even years earlier and not compiled until later and Christians have been around since the crucifixion how come you never hear of homosexuality-Christianity clashes then? The Romans and Greeks were known for having many bisexuals which then ould have been called homosexuality with attachments then, the Bible calls homosexuality a sin yet that wasn't enforced until around after 1200AD and or later? This is weird to me. Mind you God and the Bible tells Christians to love one another. Well, if in a world of homosexual fighters and pantheons of bisexual gods all around with the fact that the Church allowed homosexual monks, why no mention of homosexual and Christian persecution because of it at that window between 100BC and 1200AD?

True, Rome fell in that time, Catholocism flourished, Europe was in transition, out of the Dark Ages and to the Renaissance which ironically is when you start to hear of problems with the Church even more. Why the near sudden change? It makes no sense to me. I know the dates are vague, but doesn't this beg to question, "if Christians are not heard to speak against homosexuality then, why so vocally now?" I can't change what the Bible says, yes I know the first Bibles were in many languages and edited by the Church and put into Latin which only the Church could read. But this still seems, odd if not off. And no I am not asking for anti-belief/lifestyle comments here. This is a legitimate point. Plus, since the Bible is a book with scriptures and histories that predate this gap and change no record of it assumably would even be in it. This is maybe more of a theology/history question. I don't expect answers, just true thoughts here. What do you suppose happened?

[Zenos]

Know what I don't get as a Christian? Christians have had a shaky history, as have homosexuals and the like then. If the Bible was not finished until around 132 BC or even years earlier and not compiled until later and Christians have been around since the crucifixion how come you never hear of homosexuality-Christianity clashes then? The Romans and Greeks were known for having many bisexuals which then ould have been called homosexuality with attachments then, the Bible calls homosexuality a sin yet that wasn't enforced until around after 1200AD and or later? This is weird to me. Mind you God and the Bible tells Christians to love one another. Well, if in a world of homosexual fighters and pantheons of bisexual gods all around with the fact that the Church allowed homosexual monks, why no mention of homosexual and Christian persecution because of it at that window between 100BC and 1200AD?

True, Rome fell in that time, Catholocism flourished, Europe was in transition, out of the Dark Ages and to the Renaissance which ironically is when you start to hear of problems with the Church even more. Why the near sudden change? It makes no sense to me. I know the dates are vague, but doesn't this beg to question, "if Christians are not heard to speak against homosexuality then, why so vocally now?" I can't change what the Bible says, yes I know the first Bibles were in many languages and edited by the Church and put into Latin which only the Church could read. But this still seems, odd if not off. And no I am not asking for anti-belief/lifestyle comments here. This is a legitimate point. Plus, since the Bible is a book with scriptures and histories that predate this gap and change no record of it assumably would even be in it. This is maybe more of a theology/history question. I don't expect answers, just true thoughts here. What do you suppose happened?



You did not outright hear of Homosexuality as we understand it until at least the end of the 19th century before then the concepts of homosexuality,bisexuality and hetrosexuality as we understand it did not exist

[Lovelife090994]

You did not outright hear of Homosexuality as we understand it until at least the end of the 19th century before then the concepts of homosexuality,bisexuality and hetrosexuality as we understand it did not exist

That sounds a bit late for terms like those to be words in the English language but I suppose so.

[Zenos]

That sounds a bit late for terms like those to be words in the English language but I suppose so.

That's because it was in the late 19th century when doctors started studying and categorizing sexuality!


The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny

[Lovelife090994]

That's because it was in the late 19th century when doctors started studying and categorizing sexuality!


The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny

Talk about a difference in society.

[Zenos]

Talk about a difference in society.

True and it's really messed up the bonding process between males,since then.

You can't even hug another guy without being seen as a homo. Notice how if you make a commit on line about another gy the guy that make sto commit end sup saying * No Homo?

[Miserabilia]

Know what I don't get as a Christian? Christians have had a shaky history, as have homosexuals and the like then. If the Bible was not finished until around 132 BC or even years earlier and not compiled until later and Christians have been around since the crucifixion how come you never hear of homosexuality-Christianity clashes then? The Romans and Greeks were known for having many bisexuals which then ould have been called homosexuality with attachments then, the Bible calls homosexuality a sin yet that wasn't enforced until around after 1200AD and or later? This is weird to me. Mind you God and the Bible tells Christians to love one another. Well, if in a world of homosexual fighters and pantheons of bisexual gods all around with the fact that the Church allowed homosexual monks, why no mention of homosexual and Christian persecution because of it at that window between 100BC and 1200AD?

True, Rome fell in that time, Catholocism flourished, Europe was in transition, out of the Dark Ages and to the Renaissance which ironically is when you start to hear of problems with the Church even more. Why the near sudden change? It makes no sense to me. I know the dates are vague, but doesn't this beg to question, "if Christians are not heard to speak against homosexuality then, why so vocally now?" I can't change what the Bible says, yes I know the first Bibles were in many languages and edited by the Church and put into Latin which only the Church could read. But this still seems, odd if not off. And no I am not asking for anti-belief/lifestyle comments here. This is a legitimate point. Plus, since the Bible is a book with scriptures and histories that predate this gap and change no record of it assumably would even be in it. This is maybe more of a theology/history question. I don't expect answers, just true thoughts here. What do you suppose happened?

Christians have had a shaky history, as have homosexuals and the like

Stop. Just stop right there.
Christianity is a beleif. Homosexuality is not a beleif.
You can't say "homosexuals have had a shaky history" because there is no group of homosexuals that does things as a people in the name of homosexuality.

The Romans and Greeks were known for having many bisexuals which then ould have been called homosexuality with attachments then, the Bible calls homosexuality a sin yet that wasn't enforced until around after 1200AD and or later? This is weird to me.

How is it weird? It's a perfect example of how homosexuality was generaly excepted untill christianity became the main religion.

To answer your questions;
I think there is no mention of pretty much anything between 1000 and 1200; not because nothing happened but because there isn't much known of that time anyway.

True, Rome fell in that time, Catholocism flourished, Europe was in transition, out of the Dark Ages and to the Renaissance

You know those happened at 1000 years appart right?
Just asking, maybe you meant to say 1500.

In the mideival times, homosexuality with anything "abnormal"was not excepted; it was a time of scapegoats and burning witches.
This close-mindednes and scapegoat searching was partly because of christianity.

The reason you hear more problems with the church at the start of the renesaince is probably that it is west europe's pushing away from catholic christianity; in parts of europe churches were destroyed completely.
So it's only natural for people to start mentioning whatever they find wrong with the church.

[Lovelife090994]

Stop. Just stop right there.
Christianity is a beleif. Homosexuality is not a beleif.
You can't say "homosexuals have had a shaky history" because there is no group of homosexuals that does things as a people in the name of homosexuality.



How is it weird? It's a perfect example of how homosexuality was generaly excepted untill christianity became the main religion.

To answer your questions;
I think there is no mention of pretty much anything between 1000 and 1200; not because nothing happened but because there isn't much known of that time anyway.



You know those happened at 1000 years appart right?
Just asking, maybe you meant to say 1500.

In the mideival times, homosexuality with anything "abnormal"was not excepted; it was a time of scapegoats and burning witches.
This close-mindednes and scapegoat searching was partly because of christianity.

The reason you hear more problems with the church at the start of the renesaince is probably that it is west europe's pushing away from catholic christianity; in parts of europe churches were destroyed completely.
So it's only natural for people to start mentioning whatever they find wrong with the church.

The second part was in reference from 100BC to 1200AD, and Christians are people just as homosexuals are, Christians were around in those times.

[Miserabilia]

The second part was in reference from 100BC to 1200AD, and Christians are people just as homosexuals are, Christians were around in those times.

I didn't say they weren't. (x2)

[Capto]

Titus Flavius Clemens, John Chrysostom, Saint Basil the Great, Eusebius, Liber Gomorrhianus?

There was no sudden change. There was just an explosion of cataloging.