You Need to Cheat to Win.

[The_Superior_One]

Life is NOT fair. At every turn, there is someone waiting to bonk you over the head with a 2 by 4--stab you in the back--steal your money--steal your wife--KILL you.Here in ENGLAND, there are the haves and the have nots. Capitalistic societies like ours create a HUGE separation of classes. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The MAN always wants to keep you down and beats you back down if you try to rise up. They stack the cards against you. The MAN has legions of lawyers and policy makers writing laws and policies to benefit them at YOUR expense.

What can you do? Beat them at their own game, that's what. If it means "breaking the rules" DO IT. Now, I know there will be a lot of people here who would like to see me DELETED for making such a statement, and THOSE people are part of the problem. Can anyone say SUBJUGATION? I guarantee there is not one person here who has never cheated at one thing or another in their life. You can substitute cheating with stealing. From "forgetting" to take the calculator out of your pocket before you left work and then just keeping it, to NOT telling the fast food clerk that she gave you TOO much money back, to outright NOT PAYING for the food you eat on break because you work at a grocery store and rationalize it as a company "perk". No one in life is a saint.

Sometimes, in order to get ahead, rules MUST bent and/or broken. I choose to do both in life. I speed when I drive because it's all about ME. I want to get from A to B FASTER than you. My company is currently cutting my hours down to 35 per week from 40 just so MANAGEMENT can get a bonus at the end of the quarter for coming in under budget. Of course, management's hours are NOT cut, so in my world, THEY MUST PAY FOR THEIR GREED. If I somehow "forget" that I have a copy of INDESIGN (a graphic art program) in my briefcase and "accidentally" take it home and by some fluke this £500 program winds up on my hard-drive, well, huh, jeez, that's just too bad. If I "forget" to punch out for my lunch and then fall asleep in my car for an hour and a half but tell HR I only took a 30 minute lunch, well, um, I call that GETTING EVEN. They OWE it to me.

Hey, what's this? Hold on. How did this 1 GIG RAM stick get in my pocket? Well, I better install it in my comp, does no good in my pocket. Sometimes, no matter how HARD you try, no matter how much effort you put in, there will be SOMEONE waiting to chop you down...undermine what you are trying to accomplish. And you will fail. The truly successful people in life have not just STEPPED on other people's toes, they have CRUSHED them.

There is a saying that good guys finish last, and that saying exists because it happens more often than not. The hot blonde babe DOES NOT want the mild mannered, polite, door opening gentleman, she wants the bad boy rock star. She wants drama. She wants DANGER. I got sick of getting beat at chess so I resorted to cheating. Now I win. I'm the Rock Star. I'm a winner.

Most laws on the books BENEFIT the criminals. For example, if all forms of guns are banned, the law abiding citizens will turn theirs in (because they're law abiding) but the criminals wont (because they're criminals). An evening walk in the park = MUGGED. You need to level the playing field. That's why I carry a little paperweight in my pocket whenever I go out. Never mind that this brass paper weight is in the form of brass knuckles, but you can NEVER allow anyone to get the upper hand, or a victim you will be.

Lie, Cheat, Steal? We all do it on a daily basis. There are times when it is inappropriate however. My rationilization is this. If there is no immediate victim, it is OK. Once, I witnessed an older, rather well-dressed lady drop £40 on the casino floor. She continued to walk around the corner and was gone. I needed the money more than she did. There was no one around and I could have easily stepped on it, bent down to tie my shoe, and BAM, be £40 richer. But I tracked her down and RETURNED it to her. I do have a conscience. But, when there are BOXES of Flash Drives sitting in a corner at work, who gets hurt when one finds its way into my pocket? Who is the victim? AHHHH dont give me this CRAP that we're all going to pay for it through higher prices. Multi-million ££ corporations have deep pockets. They have gouged the public and their employees for years so that the shareholders can retire at 50 years old with a 30 million severance package and live in luxury in one of their 8 mansions across the globe. I dont think they'll miss a few items here and there. Do you?

I could go on FOREVER. But this post is getting a bit long. BOTTOM LINE: Act in your own self interest. Victimless crimes hurt no one. Do what it takes to get the upperhand and you'll be a winner just like me.

[Harry Smith]

Something like this you mean? http://quicklol.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/thug-life.jpg

On a serious note whilst I'm pretty okay with pirating TV programs that aren't on Netflix but I don't think you should actively pursue crime for a rush or to somehow get all the women. I don't know what Al-Qaeda have been telling you but committing crime really doesn't get you the virgins draped in gold

[Ethe14]

All of my family and extended family have ammsed their wealth and succes by going by the book. You don't need to cheat to win, sure it might help but I think it'd make me feel bad as a person to cheat to become successful. While I understand your point it's certainly not the right path to choose.

[Stronk Serb]

Cheating on tests is what I usually do. We have to learn Latin, which is a pain in the ass. I don't plan on being a Catholic priest or learn languages descended from Latin, so I cheat on the tests, only if I can't memorize the stuff.

[Ethe14]

Cheating on tests is what I usually do. We have to learn Latin, which is a pain in the ass. I don't plan on being a Catholic priest or learn languages descended from Latin, so I cheat on the tests, only if I can't memorize the stuff.

Well if he's talking about that kind of cheating then I suppose everyone does that, but I think he means trying to cheat life.

[The_Superior_One]

Never? At anything? Never written answers on your hand to get a better grade on a test? Never told a lie to get out of punishment? Never drank a beer before you hit 21 (I'm not sure how old you are, I'm too lazy to look at your profile). Never took something that didn't belong to you? I am skeptical.

[phuckphace]

those are some sharp edges you've got there m8

[CassnovA]

that post was far too long for the little point you tried to make.

[LifeOfLove]

I find the rantings of angry people quite entertaining.
Society doesn't owe you shit. Just because mommy and daddy didn't give you everything in life doesn't mean you have the right to take it. Somebody, granted not the person who owned it, worked hard for that. That's theirs. No.

By your logic, a man wants sex. Simple enough, many men do. However he doesn't have a wife/girlfriend/significant other. Does that make rape okay? That is cheating, so apparently it is?
Your logic is broken, and YOU have a problem.

[Typhlosion]

I find the rantings of angry people quite entertaining.
Society doesn't owe you shit. Just because mommy and daddy didn't give you everything in life doesn't mean you have the right to take it. Somebody, granted not the person who owned it, worked hard for that. That's theirs. No.

By your logic, a man wants sex. Simple enough, many men do. However he doesn't have a wife/girlfriend/significant other. Does that make rape okay? That is cheating, so apparently it is?
Your logic is broken, and YOU have a problem.1. It's hard to believe that your everyday multimillionaire corp doesn't resort to easier ways for dough.

2. Rape is not OK as it is not a victimless crime, the OP said that victimless crimes may be needed to succeed in some task. Cheating in such case would be resorting to a prostitute which in some countries is, somehow, illegal

... And I agree with the OP. As beautiful an idealized society is it isn't happening as long as we're humane. Being 100% honest in life is only to set examples for children, in reality it's extremely hard to earn very well without cheating. Sure, this is in a materialistic view where only the power of acquisition is considered, emotional plenitude is usually linked to some forms of objects, luxuries and power. And if you don't cheat, someone else will cheat instead. It's you or another, cheating is inevitable.

[DeadEyes]

basically, if everyone does it, why not me.

[Croconaw]

This isn't necessarily true.

[Zenos]

Not everyone cheats and in the long run cheaters run the risk of everything falling apart of them just look at the big companies that end up getting rocked with economic scandles and such!

[Miserabilia]

Just because you feel like you need everything more than others, doesn't mean it does.
YOU are also part of the problem.
Heck, I AM part of the problem, the problem is us all.
We could all help each other out, we could all share our posessions and money, but we DON'T; because we are selfish.

This selfishness causes a greater gap between POOR and RICH.
The RICH want to keep, and the POOR can't get anything.

By being selfish you are ENCOURAGING this behaviour; you are taking things for yourself and "cheating" for your own needs.
You can't blame capitalism, because your behaviour is A PERFECT EXAMPLE of capitalism.

You are trying to get MORE possesions, and MORE for yourself;
you are a capitalist, I am a capitalist, we all are.
Saying otherwise or saying others are the problem makes you a hypocrite, no matter how unfair life is.

[The_Superior_One]

Answer: I am NOT famous. I have connections DUE to my last name. One of my forefathers was semi-famous (not celebrity). I had the option to be hourly or salary. I chose hourly because ANYONE knows that hourly is better for a slacker like myself. The system can be beaten when you're on the clock. I work at a constant 60% output. I take nearly twice as long to do the job as other people. My seniority protects me. I am smarter than you think

[Lovecraft]

Word. We liars and thieves make it further in this fucked up system we like to pretend matters, whether everyone else likes to admit it or not. Rules are meaningless. Morality is a social construct. I'll do as I please.

[Gamma Male]

Just because you feel like you need everything more than others, doesn't mean it does.
YOU are also part of the problem.
Heck, I AM part of the problem, the problem is us all.
We could all help each other out, we could all share our posessions and money, but we DON'T; because we are selfish.

This selfishness causes a greater gap between POOR and RICH.
The RICH want to keep, and the POOR can't get anything.

By being selfish you are ENCOURAGING this behaviour; you are taking things for yourself and "cheating" for your own needs.
You can't blame capitalism, because your behaviour is A PERFECT EXAMPLE of capitalism.

You are trying to get MORE possesions, and MORE for yourself;
you are a capitalist, I am a capitalist, we all are.
Saying otherwise or saying others are the problem makes you a hypocrite, no matter how unfair life is.

Completly agree.

[Meganium]

I cannot handle this life that you describe, and frankly, I'm glad that I can't. I fully acknowledge that with these three crimes come wealth and sometimes immunity, but it can also result in nothing but pain. I'm not prepared to peep the risk vs. reward factor, because I know that it can never be as good as you claim.

Not only am I terrified of the consequences that society today offer, but I find it more satisfying to achieve things on my own, and not have to deceive people to get there. It's not in my nature.

I haven't cheated since early 5th grade because I got caught and got let off the hook. I was terrified at that moment, and decided to not do it again.

I stopped lying because it always results in someone getting screwed over somehow.

And I just don't steal, period. I'm too fortunate to have to resort to that and I'm grateful that I don't.

I have a close friend who is picture of honesty, manages his money well, and has the highest average at my school. While he rubs his grades in my face on an almost daily basis, (which I despise) I want to work to get close to where he is.

You lose all types of honor when you succumb to this...evil. If I'm put in a position where I have to do these things to survive, kill me. I can't handle the blow that would come to me as a person. I've grown too much to lose it at this point.

[Jean Poutine]

I believe in doing everything I can to ensure that I get a fair result. This might mean cheating or bending the rules.

Sometimes rules or laws inhibit fairness. Law especially isn't about justice, it's about process. If process inhibits justice, I'll do without the process.

I wouldn't be above blackmail, extortion or fraud to ensure a result that I believe is fair. I've done it before and I have not regretted any instance of my doing so, but I would never do it just to profit. There would have to be circumstances in which the process would not let me act to protect myself or somebody else from something that is just not right - the kind of situation you feel in your bones.

For example, I wouldn't try to wiggle out of a debt if it had been contracted fairly, but if in any way it hadn't been and the system would not let me defend myself conveniently, I would bend, cut or obliterate the rules to get what I believe is right and I'd probably try to destroy the offenders in the process. Some people here got arrested for protesting a tuition hike in conditions that were downright worthy of a dictatorship. Laws had been passed restricting protests and the police went out of its way to antagonize the protesters. In a situation like that, you can be sure I would raise hell.

I won't stand idle if something isn't right because people tell me I must. I stand by my own values, I do not need anybody to tell me what is right and what isn't. Sometimes a wrong can make a right.

[Zenos]

If you have to cheat you do not deserve what you are striving for and you have shown that you have no since of ethics nor personal diginity and well face it no Honor and I wouldn't trust you no farther then I could throw my fully loaded 275 pound barbell!

[The Trendy Wolf]

Life is NOT fair. At every turn, there is someone waiting to bonk you over the head with a 2 by 4--stab you in the back--steal your money--steal your wife--KILL you.Here in ENGLAND, there are the haves and the have nots. Capitalistic societies like ours create a HUGE separation of classes. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The MAN always wants to keep you down and beats you back down if you try to rise up. They stack the cards against you. The MAN has legions of lawyers and policy makers writing laws and policies to benefit them at YOUR expense.

What can you do? Beat them at their own game, that's what. If it means "breaking the rules" DO IT. Now, I know there will be a lot of people here who would like to see me DELETED for making such a statement, and THOSE people are part of the problem. Can anyone say SUBJUGATION? I guarantee there is not one person here who has never cheated at one thing or another in their life. You can substitute cheating with stealing. From "forgetting" to take the calculator out of your pocket before you left work and then just keeping it, to NOT telling the fast food clerk that she gave you TOO much money back, to outright NOT PAYING for the food you eat on break because you work at a grocery store and rationalize it as a company "perk". No one in life is a saint.

Sometimes, in order to get ahead, rules MUST bent and/or broken. I choose to do both in life. I speed when I drive because it's all about ME. I want to get from A to B FASTER than you. My company is currently cutting my hours down to 35 per week from 40 just so MANAGEMENT can get a bonus at the end of the quarter for coming in under budget. Of course, management's hours are NOT cut, so in my world, THEY MUST PAY FOR THEIR GREED. If I somehow "forget" that I have a copy of INDESIGN (a graphic art program) in my briefcase and "accidentally" take it home and by some fluke this £500 program winds up on my hard-drive, well, huh, jeez, that's just too bad. If I "forget" to punch out for my lunch and then fall asleep in my car for an hour and a half but tell HR I only took a 30 minute lunch, well, um, I call that GETTING EVEN. They OWE it to me.

Hey, what's this? Hold on. How did this 1 GIG RAM stick get in my pocket? Well, I better install it in my comp, does no good in my pocket. Sometimes, no matter how HARD you try, no matter how much effort you put in, there will be SOMEONE waiting to chop you down...undermine what you are trying to accomplish. And you will fail. The truly successful people in life have not just STEPPED on other people's toes, they have CRUSHED them.

There is a saying that good guys finish last, and that saying exists because it happens more often than not. The hot blonde babe DOES NOT want the mild mannered, polite, door opening gentleman, she wants the bad boy rock star. She wants drama. She wants DANGER. I got sick of getting beat at chess so I resorted to cheating. Now I win. I'm the Rock Star. I'm a winner.

Most laws on the books BENEFIT the criminals. For example, if all forms of guns are banned, the law abiding citizens will turn theirs in (because they're law abiding) but the criminals wont (because they're criminals). An evening walk in the park = MUGGED. You need to level the playing field. That's why I carry a little paperweight in my pocket whenever I go out. Never mind that this brass paper weight is in the form of brass knuckles, but you can NEVER allow anyone to get the upper hand, or a victim you will be.

Lie, Cheat, Steal? We all do it on a daily basis. There are times when it is inappropriate however. My rationilization is this. If there is no immediate victim, it is OK. Once, I witnessed an older, rather well-dressed lady drop £40 on the casino floor. She continued to walk around the corner and was gone. I needed the money more than she did. There was no one around and I could have easily stepped on it, bent down to tie my shoe, and BAM, be £40 richer. But I tracked her down and RETURNED it to her. I do have a conscience. But, when there are BOXES of Flash Drives sitting in a corner at work, who gets hurt when one finds its way into my pocket? Who is the victim? AHHHH dont give me this CRAP that we're all going to pay for it through higher prices. Multi-million ££ corporations have deep pockets. They have gouged the public and their employees for years so that the shareholders can retire at 50 years old with a 30 million severance package and live in luxury in one of their 8 mansions across the globe. I dont think they'll miss a few items here and there. Do you?

I could go on FOREVER. But this post is getting a bit long. BOTTOM LINE: Act in your own self interest. Victimless crimes hurt no one. Do what it takes to get the upperhand and you'll be a winner just like me.
There are greedy people in this world, a lot of them, but that's how we are made to be, as humans. We stamp out selfless acts on instinct, but consider that we are the same as everyone else in what we feel. We have nothing to gain from referring to our primordial feelings of selfishness. A life of greed is a life of no love, and what is the purpose of such a thing? Happiness may rise from accomplishment accompanied by greed, but in the end, if we do not get what we want, what are we to do then? We will have nothing left to live for except living off of others and taking what we think we deserve and desire so deeply.

However, consider what the very purpose of life is: to prosper for our very species, not ourselves.

You do not need to cheat to win, my friend, for cheating breaks the barriers and deconstructs the very challenge that is set forth upon us. If you do not think that something is right, and you have logical reasoning behind it, then don't be afraid to confront the issue accordingly, but there's no purpose in protesting against it in silence or violence, for there is no victory in cheating. All things considered, there are a select few circumstances where the breaking of rules may be in order, for example, if an all powerful dictator restricts our very freedom of speech, then perhaps an uprising is in order so that the exclamation and voicing of opinions is upheld, as one perspective is simply never enough.

"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."

[Kyle9000]

As a kid I always knew the "cheaters never win, winners never cheat' saying was complete BS and i completely agree you need to if no one does anything then everyone gets screwed over. Complete compliance is the worst thing a society can have in my opinion.

[Saint of Sinners]

Meh. I mostly agree with you, that rules aren't always meant to be followed. Sure i'd cheat if i knew i wouldn't get caught and stuff yeah. But for fucks sake please chill, you seem way too angsty and mad at the world it's amusing XD.

[Emerald Dream]

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