christianity

[Ainsleyshea]

in the bible it says we are all made in gods image umm how come im gay (metaphorically speaking image as he looks or his personality ? ) if god doesn't like homosexual's and bisexuals how are we in his image ?
Christianity

[Zenos]

in the bible it says we are all made in gods image umm how come im gay (metaphorically speaking image as he looks or his personality ? ) if god doesn't like homosexual's and bisexuals how are we in his image ?
Christianity

Well i'm a druid not a Christian but it's a good question and this harkens back thru the New testament to the old testament and thus the Jewish religion where it says:


Genesis 2:23-24:

…23The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." 24For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated:Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

Now if they want to go the New testament route then they have Jesus saying:

Matthew 19:5
and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

Mark 10:7
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,

Mark 10:8
and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.


While Christians will say that all humans are made in the image of their God,lots of them will claim on the above versus that their God hates homosexuals

[Yonkers]

abcd

[Ainsleyshea]

Well i'm a druid not a Christian but it's a good question and this harkens back thru the New testament to the old testament and thus the Jewish religion where it says:


Genesis 2:23-24:

…23The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." 24For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

In the King James Version, Leviticus 18:22 is translated:Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

Now if they want to go the New testament route then they have Jesus saying:

Matthew 19:5
and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

Mark 10:7
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,

Mark 10:8
and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh.


While Christians will say that all humans are made in the image of their God,lots of them will claim on the above versus that their God hates homosexuals

but if god hates homosexuals y create them is my questions

[Zenos]

but if god hates homosexuals y create them is my questions

Well that's something no religion can answer,but the christains will claim it's because of the devil

[Ainsleyshea]

Well that's something no religion can answer,but the christains will claim it's because of the devil

but I love fellow humanity witch is men and woman witch means im from the devil because I love gods creation of himself as a man (well as he's portrayed a guy)

[Zenos]

but I love fellow humanity witch is men and woman witch means im from the devil because I love gods creation of himself as a man (well as he's portrayed a guy)

I doubt u are me are any other non straight is from the devil.

[Ainsleyshea]

I doubt u are me are any other non straight is from the devil.

ok so your telling me the almighty god is dum as fuck and the devil is smart (not literally)how dose the devil infiltrate gods (perfect race )because were made in his image

[Stryker125]

God doesn't hate gay people. A bunch of people read the book wrong.

[Ainsleyshea]

God doesn't hate gay people. A bunch of people read the book wrong.

were have I reading the book wrong

[Zenos]

ok so your telling me the almighty god is dum as fuck and the devil is smart (not literally)how dose the devil infiltrate gods (perfect race )because were made in his image


First of all Satan is a Fiction created by Christianity which took the name for the Hebrew religion!

Satan is primarily understood as an "accuser" or "adversary" in the Hebrew Bible, and is not necessarily the personification of evil that he would become in later Abrahamic religions. The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6. Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-,” English “the," is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the satan.




http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

[Ainsleyshea]

so im the rebel of Christianity

[Stryker125]

were have I reading the book wrong

the verses in the bible that people use to say that God hates homosexuality are either taken out of context or mistranslated.

[phuckphace]

but if god hates homosexuals y create them is my questions

you could apply that same question to any other form of sin. according to the Bible, God is omniscient (all-knowing) which means he created man himself even knowing that he would fall and become sinful. it's part of a bigger question: why does God allow sin and evil to exist if he hates it so much? this is known as "the problem of evil" and it's nothing new. people have been arguing about it for centuries

[Zenos]

you could apply that same question to any other form of sin. according to the Bible, God is omniscient (all-knowing) which means he created man himself even knowing that he would fall and become sinful. it's part of a bigger question: why does God allow sin and evil to exist if he hates it so much? this is known as "the problem of evil" and it's nothing new. people have been arguing about it for centuries



But then the question is this : Does he even care,or is he just an insane being like H.P.Lovecrafts Azathoth in the center of creation?

[phuckphace]

But then the question is this : Does he even care,or is he just an insane being like H.P.Lovecrafts Azathoth in the center of creation?

fuck if I know. I've tried asking him before but didn't get a response

[Zenos]

fuck if I know. I've tried asking him before but didn't get a response

Hmmm:( as I thought he must be mindless out there some where in the vast cosmos:yes:

[xxdrakeTxx]

yes it also says beat ur slave almost till death if he lives ur ok if not u have sinned . and also if ur child disobeys stone him with rocks until death and thousands of other impossible things that supposedly happend like the whole seven days thing . the bible is ment for a diffrent culture personally i think the book is rubbish be who u are and dont take some crazy book into acount unless u follow the teachings of cat in the hat

[EpicSongFan]

yes it also says beat ur slave almost till death if he lives ur ok if not u have sinned . and also if ur child disobeys stone him with rocks until death and thousands of other impossible things that supposedly happend like the whole seven days thing . the bible is ment for a diffrent culture personally i think the book is rubbish be who u are and dont take some crazy book into acount unless u follow the teachings of cat in the hat

*facepalms* You have obviously not done enough research. I'm lazy to elaborate more as you think the bible is rubbish :yawn: Do some more research before posting.

Now to the OP, Christianity teaches us to love the sinners, but not the sin. For most of them, it means the sinner is the gay people while the sin is homosexuality. Yes, we're made in the image of God. But to most of the Christianity they mostly see homosexuality as a sin that you fall into and not done in the image of God.

I'm being neutral at the subject cause I feel that it's not up to us to judge. In the end, we'll be judged by God and not humans.

[Lovelife090994]

First to be clear, we are all God's children, we are not, however, all born again. Homosexuality is the sin in the Bible, homosexuals are the sinners, we are not supposed to hate the sinner or anyone, we hate the sin but as Jesus said, "go and sin no more" is supposed to be our look on it. In the end only God can judge and also God is forgiving of all. Know that much of the Bible was mistranslated since the original Bible was in languages with little exact translations to English, also remember how the Bible was edited by the Church.

[EpicSongFan]

Know that much of the Bible was mistranslated since the original Bible was in languages with little exact translations to English, also remember how the Bible was edited by the Church.

Which is why I prefer the King James Version cause it is the original translation compared to other which are edited and lies may be secretly placed in it.

[Lovelife090994]

Which is why I prefer the King James Version cause it is the original translation compared to other which are edited and lies may be secretly placed in it.

Wasn't the King James' Version written in Shakespear's time? Is it the first English translation?

[Guillermo]

The Bible was written and re-written thousands upon thousands of times throughout its history. It was also translated into many different languages From Hebrew and Greek and that gave it lots of room for things to be misinterpreted. So the original scripture of the Bible does not even exist. Furthermore, there are so many different translations and interpretations of the bible from thousands of different Christian sects and domination that it isn't even funny.

[Capto]

Wasn't the King James' Version written in Shakespear's time? Is it the first English translation?

1611, making it the third, after the Great Bible (1535) and the Bishops' Bible (1568).

[Lovelife090994]

1611, making it the third, after the Great Bible (1535) and the Bishops' Bible (1568).

Thanks.

[Zenos]

Which is why I prefer the King James Version cause it is the original translation compared to other which are edited and lies may be secretly placed in it.

Actually it has mistranslations in it as well.

[UTurn]

in the bible it says we are all made in gods image umm how come im gay (metaphorically speaking image as he looks or his personality ? ) if god doesn't like homosexual's and bisexuals how are we in his image ?
Christianity

This is a tough topic because of what the verses in the Bible say, but I think I have a pretty good answer.

First, it is necessary to say that homosexuality, according to the Bible, is a sin. I believe that, but I also have no problem with gays in any way and support them fully. It also says in the Bible that everyone sins and all sins are equal in the eyes of God. Therefore, being gay is no worse than cussing or lusting, etc. Which is why no one should ever speak out against homosexuality; we need to fix our own sins before trying to fix someone else's.

In the Bible, it also says that we are born sinners and cannot go to heaven without accepting and acknowledging Jesus' sacrifice. So for the people that say they are born gay, I would agree with that because everyone is born with sin and some people are born with that particular sin.

So, after that long and drawn out explanation, gays are as much in God's image as every other person because although he sees homosexuality as a sin, everyone is made in the image of God, and everyone sins. Homosexuality is no worse than any other sin, which is why gays are clearly just as much made in the image of God as every other person.

[Typhlosion]

What's the moral of the story? Don't invite snakes to your projects, they'll mess all up.

But remember, God is both good and evil! Isaiah 45:7 (http://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm)

[EddietheZombie]

This is a tough subject. Not because it is difficult to answer, but because it's hard to explain and hard to find a place to start. I guess I'll start here. First, when Jesus was healing people, he was brought a sick boy. I'm paraphrasing here. They ask something like 'Who's sin was he born with, the mother's or the father's' and Jesus said 'Neither, it just happens'. So, if you are born gay, what is it caused from? This is a literal question, because I don't know. Read my other thread I'm making here. Second, everybody has free will. No one has a set plan, and if they do, it would probably only be the birth and death. Everything you do in between is your choice. And a common misconception, is that humans were just created to be "god's cheerleaders", "Why doesn't God save us from Hell" or "if God is so powerful, why make us suffer". Read through the Bible, and you will see that God has given Man plenty of chances, Man was just too stupid and naïve to follow it. They still are. Think of God as a parent. A parent will tell you, time and time again, to not do something. So when you do it anyway, you get burned and learn a lesson, but if you keep doing it, you get punished. Man's fault that God doesn't talk to us or interact with us much anymore and it's our fault that we got kicked out of the Garden of Eden. Out of the few ideas why we might go to Hell, I think the least accurate is that God damns you to Hell. I think that if you don't believe and sin then it makes it easier for Satan to take you. It is like the moon. One side has light and the other is dark, and they are constantly fighting for control over people. Many religions and civilizations have said the same. With the other misconceptions, I ask the you message me if you want to know what I think. It's too much to write down here.

[Miserabilia]

This is a tough subject. Not because it is difficult to answer, but because it's hard to explain and hard to find a place to start. I guess I'll start here. First, when Jesus was healing people, he was brought a sick boy. I'm paraphrasing here. They ask something like 'Who's sin was he born with, the mother's or the father's' and Jesus said 'Neither, it just happens'. So, if you are born gay, what is it caused from? This is a literal question, because I don't know. Read my other thread I'm making here. Second, everybody has free will. No one has a set plan, and if they do, it would probably only be the birth and death. Everything you do in between is your choice. And a common misconception, is that humans were just created to be "god's cheerleaders", "Why doesn't God save us from Hell" or "if God is so powerful, why make us suffer". Read through the Bible, and you will see that God has given Man plenty of chances, Man was just too stupid and naïve to follow it. They still are. Think of God as a parent. A parent will tell you, time and time again, to not do something. So when you do it anyway, you get burned and learn a lesson, but if you keep doing it, you get punished. Man's fault that God doesn't talk to us or interact with us much anymore and it's our fault that we got kicked out of the Garden of Eden. Out of the few ideas why we might go to Hell, I think the least accurate is that God damns you to Hell. I think that if you don't believe and sin then it makes it easier for Satan to take you. It is like the moon. One side has light and the other is dark, and they are constantly fighting for control over people. Many religions and civilizations have said the same. With the other misconceptions, I ask the you message me if you want to know what I think. It's too much to write down here.

What.
You just explain how god punishes people because they are naive and make the wrong choises.

Since homosexuality is a sin, are you implying that homosexuality is a naive choice and a mistake of man?

Otherwise I don't understand your story.

[EddietheZombie]

What.
You just explain how god punishes people because they are naive and make the wrong choises.

Since homosexuality is a sin, are you implying that homosexuality is a naive choice and a mistake of man?

Otherwise I don't understand your story.

Sorry, I was tired and it is difficult for me to explain things correctly sometimes. If had just followed to first rule, which was the Apple, we wouldn't have hunger, sickness, death, poverty, ect. After Adam and Eve disobeyed the first rule, God had to make more rules to try and help people. It's like having a little kid. They disobey and you correct them. Well after you correct child so many hundreds of time (I'm talking about both Man and correcting individual people) anger sets in, right? Then you spank the child lightly, but the child still does not listen, so you try a "Time Out". What I was trying to explain is that Man put us up "Shit creek without a paddle". Now instead of 1 rule, we have about 15 rules. Man ruined all this.

[Miserabilia]

Sorry, I was tired and it is difficult for me to explain things correctly sometimes. If had just followed to first rule, which was the Apple, we wouldn't have hunger, sickness, death, poverty, ect. After Adam and Eve disobeyed the first rule, God had to make more rules to try and help people. It's like having a little kid. They disobey and you correct them. Well after you correct child so many hundreds of time (I'm talking about both Man and correcting individual people) anger sets in, right? Then you spank the child lightly, but the child still does not listen, so you try a "Time Out". What I was trying to explain is that Man put us up "Shit creek without a paddle". Now instead of 1 rule, we have about 15 rules. Man ruined all this.

Yes but how does homosexuality come into play in this, as the thread is about?

[EddietheZombie]

Homosexuality is another "Forbidden Fruit". Now Man has to go through the problems of understanding their sexuality. It says that homosexuality is an abomination, I haven't read of it being a sin. I do, however, believe that it can lead to worse things. And I believe that you can't be "Born Gay". It is the reason why i asked "So, if you are born gay, what is it caused from?". I honestly don't know, but I don't believe that you can be born with a part of your personality. I believe it is part of your experiences you've had. If you can be born gay, then it would be a physical or mental problem. I believe it is wrong, but I don't treat anyone differently if they are.

Sorry if my post is all over the place. I ramble a lot when I'm tired or up late. I'm also done with this thread, I don't like this subject much, I just posted because there wasn't much else interesting. I'd appreciate me if you don't quote me. Have a nice night/day :)

[darthearth]

First to be clear, we are all God's children, we are not, however, all born again. Homosexuality is the sin in the Bible, homosexuals are the sinners, we are not supposed to hate the sinner or anyone, we hate the sin but as Jesus said, "go and sin no more" is supposed to be our look on it. In the end only God can judge and also God is forgiving of all. Know that much of the Bible was mistranslated since the original Bible was in languages with little exact translations to English, also remember how the Bible was edited by the Church.

Does being "born again" have anything to do with this? How? One can be born again and still be an active homosexual. Homosexuality is a natural orientation created by God, and He blesses it. The Bible is not an "inerrant word of God", it's actually completely wrong on this issue. Indeed, homosexuals are made in His image and God does not dislike them. There is no reason why God would create gay/bi people if he dislikes them, now is there? I believe that is the point of the OP. It doesn't make sense that God dislikes homosexuality when God was the one who created it. Homosexuality does not contradict the two great commandments of Jesus, that is to love God and your neighbor, love fulfills the law. Thank goodness.

[Lovelife090994]

Does being "born again" have anything to do with this? How? One can be born again and still be an active homosexual. Homosexuality is a natural orientation created by God, and He blesses it. The Bible is not an "inerrant word of God", it's actually completely wrong on this issue. Indeed, homosexuals are made in His image and God does not dislike them. There is no reason why God would create gay/bi people if he dislikes them, now is there? I believe that is the point of the OP. It doesn't make sense that God dislikes homosexuality when God was the one who created it. Homosexuality does not contradict the two great commandments of Jesus, that is to love God and your neighbor, love fulfills the law. Thank goodness.

God made man and woman in his likeness. But he is not a maker of sin, sin was born out of man. A person who is born again will sin but will not live a lifestyle of sin. Homosexuality is not a part of God and by definition a born again Christian is probably not going to be homosexual. It is true that God loves all of his children but he doesn't like the sin.

[Miserabilia]

God made man and woman in his likeness. But he is not a maker of sin, sin was born out of man. A person who is born again will sin but will not live a lifestyle of sin. Homosexuality is not a part of God and by definition a born again Christian is probably not going to be homosexual. It is true that God loves all of his children but he doesn't like the sin.

^ Implying homosexuality is a choise to sin

[Harry Smith]

God made man and woman in his likeness. But he is not a maker of sin, sin was born out of man. A person who is born again will sin but will not live a lifestyle of sin. Homosexuality is not a part of God and by definition a born again Christian is probably not going to be homosexual. It is true that God loves all of his children but he doesn't like the sin.

Didn't god also say that it was a sin for women to talk in church?

[Lovelife090994]

Didn't god also say that it was a sin for women to talk in church?

No, a law such as that would have been an added man-made law. Women and men are qual in his eyes. Most Christians have moved past the old desert culture teachings which is why we have a New Testament. Mary traveled with Jesus and spoke for his Church. Clearly a woman can speak in a church. This is something I hope more see. Rememeber, the Bible is a peek into the ancient cultures of Judea, Rome, and parts of Africa. The New Testament repeats what is and isn't a sin, but as a Christian we are to treat no man differently but we are told to have sinners come and then go to sin no more. The Bible kind of puts this spiritual duty on Christians to spread the word of God but never at a blade's end nor by force. If a person says a woman is inferior then they are blind and have just slapped God in the face.

[Harry Smith]

No, a law such as that would have been an added man-made law.

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

And yeah the Bible is a peak into ancient culture-it shows that Christianity is completely out of date since it's based on sexism, racism, hate and rape. There pretty much the fundamental teachings of Christianity

[darthearth]

God made man and woman in his likeness. But he is not a maker of sin, sin was born out of man. A person who is born again will sin but will not live a lifestyle of sin. Homosexuality is not a part of God and by definition a born again Christian is probably not going to be homosexual. It is true that God loves all of his children but he doesn't like the sin.

Why do you say it is a sin? Why do you say homosexuality is not part of God? Do you have any good reason to have this view? Any thought process involved besides the Bible simply asserting that it is? For things to be sinful in the new covenant of Christianity, there must be some reason to consider them sinful beyond what the Bible says. It's supposed to be a new walk of discernment according to the new law of love, not another law of the book to follow. The specific commandments Jesus said to follow are in line with the law of love as confirmation of this. I believe homosexuality is indeed part of God and is part of His image. If there are writings in the Bible that indicate the contrary I view them as simply wrong. It's making the Bible an idol that causes so many problems it seems to me. It's idolatry.

Again, what is the rational justification for it to be considered sinful for us Christians in the present day? I see none. Paul writes in a way that seems he may have misunderstood or was ignorant on the issue, but his misunderstanding/ignorance shouldn't affect my independent knowledge/experience that I have gained in this present day.

[Lovelife090994]

Why do you say it is a sin? Why do you say homosexuality is not part of God? Do you have any good reason to have this view? Any thought process involved besides the Bible simply asserting that it is? For things to be sinful in the new covenant of Christianity, there must be some reason to consider them sinful beyond what the Bible says. It's supposed to be a new walk of discernment according to the new law of love, not another law of the book to follow. The specific commandments Jesus said to follow are in line with the law of love as confirmation of this. I believe homosexuality is indeed part of God and is part of His image. If there are writings in the Bible that indicate the contrary I view them as simply wrong. It's making the Bible an idol that causes so many problems it seems to me. It's idolatry.

Again, what is the rational justification for it to be considered sinful for us Christians in the present day? I see none. Paul writes in a way that seems he may have misunderstood or was ignorant on the issue, but his misunderstanding/ignorance shouldn't affect my independent knowledge/experience that I have gained in this present day.

The Bible also says what is love and homosexual love even if it is love doesn't align to that. Plus, if homosexuality is a part of God then why is it seen as sin? If homosexuality is a part of God then why are so many homosexuals against God? If homosexuality is natural then why is it man and woman in marriages? If what you say is true then why out of everything the Bible says is this one sin always debated? I never said hate the sinner. That in itself is sinful and wrong be the root in faith or not. I treat people as equal despite what they do but I cannot condone all others and even all I do. We are not perfect. We all have work to do, me, you, your friends, strangers, all of us have a part. A homosexual will always have God's love, but by what has been said and repeated by many cultures, customs, religons, people, and by the Bible itself maybe in part of the hard times and infant mortalities then maybe this is why homosexuality even if not a choice is seen as a sin. Me? I see homosexuality as a sin. But I do not see it right to say they are not children of God, we all are even if one is far gone. I see homosexuals as people as we should, I respect them even if they disrespect me. Basically my only issue is how many of them see religion as the cause of their pain when that is really hate and not any religion.

[Vlerchan]

The Bible also says what is love and homosexual love even if it is love doesn't align to that. Plus, if homosexuality is a part of God then why is it seen as sin?[1] If homosexuality is a part of God then why are so many homosexuals against God?[2] If homosexuality is natural then why is it man and woman in marriages?[3]
[1]: That's what he is asking: how can you justify homosexuality being a sin?

[2]: Define: 'so many'.

There's plenty of Homosexual Theists. The Homosexual anti-theists are only such because I presume they got tired of listening to the (quite frankly) pretentious shite as dished out by Theists. Their vitriol is directed primarily at Christians because they live in Christian-dominated societies.

[3]: It's not [only man and woman in marriages]. The 21st century began 14 years ago.

If what you say is true then why out of everything the Bible says is this one sin always debated?[4] I never said hate the sinner. That in itself is sinful and wrong be the root in faith or not. I treat people as equal despite what they do but I cannot condone all others and even all I do. We are not perfect. We all have work to do, me, you, your friends, strangers, all of us have a part. A homosexual will always have God's love[5], but by what has been said and repeated by many cultures, customs, religons, people, and by the Bible itself maybe in part of the hard times and infant mortalities then maybe this is why homosexuality even if not a choice is seen as a sin[6]. Me? I see homosexuality as a sin[7]. But I do not see it right to say they are not children of God, we all are even if one is far gone[8]. I see homosexuals as people as we should, I respect them even if they disrespect me[9]. Basically my only issue is how many of them see religion as the cause of their pain when that is really hate and not any religion[10].
[4]: Because Christians seem adamant in keeping it a sin without any real justification for such. Because Christians have, in the past and currently, attempted to structure society in such a way that Homosexuals are actively discriminated against as a direct result of being homosexual.

[5]: This is just rhetoric. I'm not addressing it.

[6]: Is celibacy also a sin? It is by this logic.

[7]: Why? Throughout your whole post you don't tell us this despite it being the question asked.

[8]: Again there is plenty of homosexual Christians who see themselves as sons and daughters of god. Harry doesn't see himself as not a son of god not because he is homosexual but rather because he doesn't believe a god exists.

[9]: I'm sure there is plenty of homosexuals who might hold respect for you. Please stop with the gross generalisations.

[10]: The religion is the basis of this hate.

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: That's what he is asking: how can you justify homosexuality being a sin?

[2]: Define: 'so many'.

There's plenty of Homosexual Theists. The Homosexual anti-theists are only such because I presume they got tired of listening to the (quite frankly) pretentious shite as dished out by Theists. Their vitriol is directed primarily at Christians because they live in Christian-dominated societies.

[3]: It's not [only man and woman in marriages]. The 21st century began 14 years ago.


[4]: Because Christians seem adamant in keeping it a sin without any real justification for such. Because Christians have in the past and currently have attempted to structure society in such a way that Homosexuals are actively discriminated against for their sexuality.

[5]: This is just rhetoric. I'm not addressing it.

[6]: Is celibacy also a sin? It is by this logic.

[7]: Why? Throughout your whole post you don't tell us this despite it being the question asked.

[8]: Again there is plenty of homosexual Christians who see themselves as sons and daughters of god. Harry doesn't see himself as not a son of god not because he is homosexual but rather because he doesn't believe a god exists.

[9]: I'm sure there is plenty of homosexuals who might hold respect for you. Please stop with the gross generalisations.

[10]: The religion is the basis of this hate.

To this as a whole since I cannot quote everything individually on my phone. True there will always be homosexual theists, can't change that. Celibacy is a vow of abstinence to keep the body pure, there is no sin in purity. I never said I support discrimination. My words are as good as anyone elses. The reason why homosexuality is still seen as sinful is because what was a sin then is still a sin today. Just because I see homosexuality as a sin doesn't mean I use that to justify hatred or judgement, both of those are bad as well. And, Harry who? The Harry before? And I do not see my religion as a basis of hate, lately I've seen many act as if the religious are a scourge of the Earth which can't be right given how there are religious people who are not hateful. I just fail to see why the world today makes it seem like every person should be completely okay with homosexuality else be ridiculed for that view.

[Vlerchan]

To this as a whole since I cannot quote everything individually on my phone[1]. True there will always be homosexual theists, can't change that[2]. Celibacy is a vow of abstinence to keep the body pure, there is no sin in purity[3]. I never said I support discrimination[4]. My words are as good as anyone elses5. The reason why homosexuality is still seen as sinful is because what was a sin then is still a sin today[6]. Just because I see homosexuality as a sin doesn't mean I use that to justify hatred or judgement[7], both of those are bad as well.
[1]: Okay. Feel free to go back and address everything once you have access to a PC c:

[2]: You say this as if it is a negative thing.

[3]: You claimed that homosexuality is sinful because homosexuals were not producing babies during 'hard times' of 'high infant morality'. Why does celibacy differ if it is producing exactly the same thing that you claimed makes homosexuality sinful in nature.

[4]: I never said you did either.

[5]: I never said they weren't.

[6]: You've failed to produce a reason as to why it was sinful in the first place. I'm also not accepting your guesswork until we've finished addressing the evils of celibacy.

[7]: I never said you did.

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: Okay. Feel free to go back and address everything once you have access to a PC c:

[2]: You say this as if it is a negative thing.

[3]: You claimed that homosexuality is sinful because homosexuals were not producing babies during 'hard times' of 'high infant morality'. Why does celibacy differ if it is producing exactly the same thing that you claimed makes homosexuality sinful in nature.

[4]: I never said you did either.

[5]: I never said they weren't.

[6]: You've failed to produce a reason as to why it was sinful in the first place. I'm also not accepting your guesswork until we've finished addressing the evils of celibacy.

[7]: I never said you did.

I never meant that a homosexual theist is bad, they are just as the words of another, good and just. Celibacy to mme is not sinful. If anything celibacy is not a practice many can do. I think the reason why homosexuality is seen as sin is because God made man and woman to live in harmony and later in pairs, since homosexuals do not wish to live romantically with the opposite sex then perhaps it stemmed from this, or from the fact that men and women who were able bodied were at times rare and everyone then wanted kids for the future. But I still hold to my views that homosexuals are people hust that their ways are not always to be praised. I know, I know some others have ways that are also not to be praised but even to that I say that is still not good.

[Vlerchan]

Celibacy to mme is not sinful[1]. If anything celibacy is not a practice many can do. I think the reason why homosexuality is seen as sin is because God made man and woman to live in harmony and later in pairs[2], since homosexuals do not wish[3] to live romantically with the opposite sex then perhaps it stemmed from this, or from the fact that men and women who were able bodied were at times rare and everyone then wanted kids for the future[4]. But I still hold to my views that homosexuals are people hust that their ways are not always to be praised[5]. I know, I know some others have ways that are also not to be praised but even to that I say that is still not good[6]:.
[1]: I personally don't see it as sinful either. I was just pointing out the double standards of your reasoning.

[2]: This is demonstrably false. If god intended for such then we wouldn't have homosexuals.

[3]: This implies that homosexuality is a choice. It is not.

[4]: Rephrasing your faulty reasoning doesn't make it any less faulty: we've already been through the similarly non-baby-producing nature of celibacy and how (in your opinion) such is not sinful.

[5]: Nice.

[6]: We're starting to drift off-topic here now. I accept that you've nothing against homosexual individuals. There is no need to repeat the point.

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: I personally don't see it as sinful either. I was just pointing out the double standards of your reasoning.

[2]: This is demonstrably false. If god intended for such then we wouldn't have homosexuals.

[3]: This implies that homosexuality is a choice. It is not.

[4]: Rephrasing your faulty reasoning doesn't make it any less faulty: we've already been through the similarly non-baby-producing nature of celibacy and how (in your opinion) such is not sinful.

[5]: Nice.

[6]: We're starting to drift off-topic here now. I accept that you've nothing against homosexual individuals. There is no need to repeat the point.

If there is no need to repeat myself then why did you quote me? And to what you said earlier there will always be those are homosexual. Homosexuality has existed for as long as those who are not have existed. However I fail to see how all homosexuals are born that way.

[ninja789]

that's one of my main problems with christianity

[Vlerchan]

If there is no need to repeat myself then why did you quote me?[1] And to what you said earlier there will always be those are homosexual[2]. Homosexuality has existed for as long as those who are not have existed[3]. However I fail to see how all homosexuals are born that way[4].
[1]: I quoted your post because I wanted to address points [1] through to [4]. I addressed point [6] despite it being irrelevant because I hoped that you would stop being irrelevant if I pointed it out.

[2]: Yes. Did I say differently?

[3]: And?

[4]: It has been shown that their may be genes inherited that affect ones sexuality. It has also been shown that environmental factors play a large-ish role, too. Regardless of what is the more dominant factor, however, it has been long since established (and accepted by the scientific community) that one's sexuality is not a choice. (Source). (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexuality-and-choice/) (Source). (http://www.pflagvictoria.org.au/sexualityisnotachoice.pdf) (Source). (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article4004938.ece) (Source). (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/steps-authentic-happiness-positive-psychology/2013/apr/14/homosexuality-choice-modern-science-says-no/) (Source). (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10637532/Being-homosexual-is-only-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html) (Source) (http://www.truthwinsout.org/opinion/2011/10/19114/)

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: I quoted your post because I wanted to address points [1] through to [4]. I addressed point [6] despite it being irrelevant because I hoped that you would stop being irrelevant if I pointed it out.

[2]: Yes. Did I say differently?

[3]: And?

[4]: It has been shown that their may be genes inherited that affect ones sexuality. It has also been shown that environmental factors play a large-ish role, too. Regardless of what is the more dominant factor, however, it has been long since established (and accepted by the scientific community) that one's sexuality is not a choice. (Source). (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexuality-and-choice/) (Source). (http://www.pflagvictoria.org.au/sexualityisnotachoice.pdf) (Source). (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article4004938.ece) (Source). (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/steps-authentic-happiness-positive-psychology/2013/apr/14/homosexuality-choice-modern-science-says-no/) (Source). (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10637532/Being-homosexual-is-only-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html) (Source) (http://www.truthwinsout.org/opinion/2011/10/19114/)

You say this as if we are all slaves to our sexuality. Sexuality is fluid, it comes later.

[DarkOmega]

in the bible it says we are all made in gods image umm how come im gay (metaphorically speaking image as he looks or his personality ? ) if god doesn't like homosexual's and bisexuals how are we in his image ?
Christianity

I;m gonna start by saying I'm and atheist , and I did study the bible.. nowhere does it say that he hates gays. the people that said this were some stupid over religious retards that used this as an excuse ..

[Vlerchan]

You say this as if we are all slaves to our sexuality. Sexuality is fluid, it comes later.
Sexuality is not a choice. That is the point I'm trying to make here. Do you accept the point I'm making?

I also never said anyone was born homosexual or that sexuality didn't develop fully later in life.

[Lovelife090994]

Sexuality is not a choice. That is the point I'm trying to make here. Do you accept the point I'm making?

I also never said anyone was born homosexual or that sexuality didn't develop fully later in life.

For some sexuality is not clear, to others it is. And to a few sexuality is like a choice. Not everyone knows what they want. What point again?

[Vlerchan]

And to a few sexuality is like a choice[1]. Not everyone knows what they want. What point again?[2]
[1]: I highlighted the key word here.

[2]: That sexuality is not a choice. I presented a number of sources backing this claim in my above post.

You're also still meant to be justifying the (supposedly) inherently sinful nature of homosexuality to me. I haven't forgotten.

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: I highlighted the key word here.

[2]: That sexuality is not a choice. I presented a number of sources backing this claim in my above post.

You're also still meant to be justifying the (supposedly) inherently sinful nature of homosexuality to me. I haven't forgotten.

I am not justifying I am talking. Sexuality is fluid, some people do not change sexuality and some do. The reason why homosexuality is seen as deviant is because it deviates from the original plans of nature which is male to female to ensure the survival of a species. Now because humans have free will if a woman does not desire a man then she will no doubt choose a woman to be with, not a man since she does not want herself with a man. Plus just because homosexuality is a sin does not mean the person involved is immediately damned.

[Vlerchan]

I am not justifying I am talking[1]. Sexuality is fluid, some people do not change sexuality and some do[2]. The reason why homosexuality is seen as deviant is because it deviates from the original plans of nature which is male to female to ensure the survival of a species[3]. Now because humans have free will[4] if a woman does not desire a man then she will no doubt choose a woman to be with, not a man since she does not want herself with a man[5]. Plus just because homosexuality is a sin does not mean the person involved is immediately damned[6].
[1]: In talking you are (supposed to be) justifying the sinful nature of homosexuality. That's what this entire conversation is supposed to be about.

[2]: If someone's hormonal balance shifts that does not make their own shift to heterosexuality/homosexuality/bisexuality/other any more of a choice. Also, please read the 5 sources I posted supporting my claims - they might be able to clear things up somewhat better than I currently am now.

[3]: We've already been through why using this line of reasoning is faulty. I suggest you go back and respond to my early responses to this same argument.

Edit: I noticed you used the word deviant as opposed to sinful here. I'm not interested in discussing the deviancy of homosexuality; I'm interested in discussing its (apparent) sinful nature. For the record, though: I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality in a world where we're teetering dangerously on verge of gross overpopulation; such deviance may become quite important in years to come.

[4]: They don't.

[5]: This (again) implies sexuality is a choice. It's not. I've already explained (and posted numerous sources concerning) the development of one's sexuality. I'd really appreciate if you stopped making the same (untrue) claims after I've clearly demonstrated otherwise.

[6]: Cool. I'm still looking for the reasoning behind it being a sin in the first place, though.

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: In talking you are (supposed to be) justifying the sinful nature of homosexuality. That's what this entire conversation is supposed to be about.

[2]: If someone's hormonal balance shifts that does not make their own shift to heterosexuality/homosexuality/bisexuality/other any more of a choice. Also, please read the 5 sources I posted supporting my claims - they might be able to clear things up somewhat better than I currently am now.

[3]: We've already been through why using this line of reasoning is faulty. I suggest you go back and respond to my early responses to this same argument.

Edit: I noticed you used the word deviant as opposed to sinful here. I'm not interested in discussing the deviancy of homosexuality; I'm interested in discussing its (apparent) sinful nature. For the record, I also don't see anything wrong with homosexuality in a world where we're teetering dangerously on verge of gross overpopulation.

[4]: They don't.

[5]: This (again) implies sexuality is a choice. It's not. I've already explained (and posted numerous sources concerning) the development of one's sexuality. I'd really appreciate if you stopped making the same (untrue) claims after I've clearly demonstrated otherwise.

[6]: Cool. I'm still looking for the reasoning behind it being a sin in the first place, though.


What I am saying is true. The reason why homosexuality is a sin is why everything else deemed a sin is a sin, it is seen as impure.

[Vlerchan]

What I am saying is true[1]. The reason why homosexuality is a sin is why everything else deemed a sin is a sin, it is seen as impure[2].
[1]: Your unbacked claims are wholly unconvincing.

[2]: In other words: you can think-up no rational basis for the continuing of labelling homosexuality a sinful practice but will continue to do it because your belief-system has a history of arbitrarily labelling it such. Am I far off here?

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: Your unbacked claims are wholly unconvincing.

[2]: In other words: you can think-up no rational basis for the continuing of labelling homosexuality a sinful practice but will continue to do it because your belief-system has a history of arbitrarily labelling it such. Am I far off here?

I'm not trying to convince you, that wouldn't be right since I am talking rather than arguing. I see homosexuality as a sin because it is not like God. Arbitrary to you or not that is my view. Again, this has nothing to do with how I feel about homosexuals, I just don't like the lifestyle, and you know what, I don't have to be okay with it. I don't have to agree with someone nor do they have to agree with me. If a person has a problem with me because I am religious then fine, I'll go and look the other way.

[CharlieHorse]

in the bible it says we are all made in gods image umm how come im gay (metaphorically speaking image as he looks or his personality ? ) if god doesn't like homosexual's and bisexuals how are we in his image ?
Christianity

simple.
your facts and logic need to be modified.
people created the concept of god in their image. they created the god to be a certain way that not everybody is like.
this happens in lots of religions.
don't worry about it. the only people who matter are the people who love you, and the people you love. :)
live life to it's fullest and enjoy being alive on this wonderful planet. also try to help others every day, as it boosts your self esteem.

[Miserabilia]

I'm not trying to convince you, that wouldn't be right since I am talking rather than arguing. I see homosexuality as a sin because it is not like God. Arbitrary to you or not that is my view. Again, this has nothing to do with how I feel about homosexuals, I just don't like the lifestyle, and you know what, I don't have to be okay with it. I don't have to agree with someone nor do they have to agree with me. If a person has a problem with me because I am religious then fine, I'll go and look the other way.

You don't aggree with it?
THat's like saying you don't aggree with people having different skin colour.
It just doesn't make any sense.

You're openly admitting that you think homosexuality is a chosie to be unpure and sin; that homosexuals are not in god's image and are not normal human beings. Your religion also says sinenr burn in hell for all eternity.

Well guess what. Being homosexual doesn't hurt anyone. Base your morals on what's good for others. Why hate on something that causes no harm?


Luke 6:37 ESV

“Judge not, and you will not be judged;

If you want to be accepted as a christian, accept that not everyone is born the same.

[Lovelife090994]

You don't aggree with it?
THat's like saying you don't aggree with people having different skin colour.
It just doesn't make any sense.

You're openly admitting that you think homosexuality is a chosie to be unpure and sin; that homosexuals are not in god's image and are not normal human beings. Your religion also says sinenr burn in hell for all eternity.

Well guess what. Being homosexual doesn't hurt anyone. Base your morals on what's good for others. Why hate on something that causes no harm?


Luke 6:37 ESV

“Judge not, and you will not be judged;

If you want to be accepted as a christian, accept that not everyone is born the same.

I know very well of judgement, I just said I don't. Christians are not supposed to wallow in sin, homosexuality is one, skin color difference is not. I don't care the color or religion of another, nor do I care of your culture, but I must impress that I cannot be okay with everything. Many homosexual supporters say that by not supporting homosexuality one is supporting racism and hate. Homosexuality is not a race, disagreeing with it is not hate. Judgement is when you condemn a person. Sin is sin, saying it is not judgement. By the way, we all sin, no one is above that, but to live in sin is what can send one to Hell, not necessarily how they sin. Homosexuality hurts no one? To an extent. What of all the homosexuals who feel a religious person is lesser for being religious? That too is just as bad. Like I said, a homosexual is no lesser than me but the ways of the person are sinful. That is not judgement but saying it as it is.

[Miserabilia]

I know very well of judgement, I just said I don't. Christians are not supposed to wallow in sin, homosexuality is one, skin color difference is not. I don't care the color or religion of another, nor do I care of your culture, but I must impress that I cannot be okay with everything. Many homosexual supporters say that by not supporting homosexuality one is supporting racism and hate. Homosexuality is not a race, disagreeing with it is not hate. Judgement is when you condemn a person. Sin is sin, saying it is not judgement. By the way, we all sin, no one is above that, but to live in sin is what can send one to Hell, not necessarily how they sin. Homosexuality hurts no one? To an extent. What of all the homosexuals who feel a religious person is lesser for being religious? That too is just as bad. Like I said, a homosexual is no lesser than me but the ways of the person are sinful. That is not judgement but saying it as it is.

homoseuxliayt is not a choise, accept what most of the modern world is trying to accept after such a long time of fear and anger towards homosexuals.

Homosexuality hurts no one? To an extent. What of all the homosexuals who feel a religious person is lesser for being religious? That too is just as bad.

> "All the homosexuals who feel a religious person is lesser for being religious".

If I was a homosexuals I'd think you are lesser too for calling me INPURE, SINNER, and someone that is not in GOD'S image.

[Lovelife090994]

homoseuxliayt is not a choise, accept what most of the modern world is trying to accept after such a long time of fear and anger towards homosexuals.



> "All the homosexuals who feel a religious person is lesser for being religious".

If I was a homosexuals I'd think you are lesser too for calling me INPURE, SINNER, and someone that is not in GOD'S image.

You cannot force the world to agree on homosexuality. And did I call homosexuals impure? I called the way of homosexuality impure. There is a difference. Homosexuality is a side to you just as your religion is a side to you. A side, not necessarily you. And newsflash, not every single group on Earth is on agreement to homosexuality, and not all of those groups show hatred to homosexuals because of it. You act as if I've comitted a murder when I have not. A homosexual is human, humans are in God's image, hoomosexuality however is not in God's image, he made Adam and Eve for a reason. Why else do you think even nature has males and females mating? Even if an animal is lame often times it will still have a mate of some sort.

[Miserabilia]

You cannot force the world to agree on homosexuality. And did I call homosexuals impure? I called the way of homosexuality impure. There is a difference. Homosexuality is a side to you just as your religion is a side to you. A side, not necessarily you. And newsflash, not every single group on Earth is on agreement to homosexuality, and not all of those groups show hatred to homosexuals because of it. You act as if I've comitted a murder when I have not. A homosexual is human, humans are in God's image, hoomosexuality however is not in God's image, he made Adam and Eve for a reason. Why else do you think even nature has males and females mating? Even if an animal is lame often times it will still have a mate of some sort.

And did I call homosexuals impure? I called the way of homosexuality impure. There is a difference.
Not to me.

Homosexuality is a side to you just as your religion is a side to you.
Except that homosexuality is a property and not a choise.

And newsflash, not every single group on Earth is on agreement to homosexuality,
Yes, I am aware of that.

You act as if I've comitted a murder when I have not.
Lol when.

A homosexual is human, humans are in God's image, hoomosexuality however is not in God's image, he made Adam and Eve for a reason. Why else do you think even nature has males and females mating? Even if an animal is lame often times it will still have a mate of some sort.

What so you actualy beleive god made adam and eve as the first two humans?
What year is it?!
Do you walk up to handicapped people and say
"God gave adam and eve legs for a reason, you are not in his image" when they don't have legs?
You're bring ridiculous.

Homosexuality is NOT choise, get over it,
the evidence is overwhelming.
Stop acting like a victim because your outdated opinion is not appreciated, I'm sorry but the world is 1500 years ahead of your ideas.

[Vlerchan]

I feel like I should address the above but I don't see the point: it's clear that you have your mind set on the issue even after it has been demonstrated that your reasoning is fallacious.

Good luck, Cheesee.

[Lovelife090994]

Not to me.


Except that homosexuality is a property and not a choise.


Yes, I am aware of that.


Lol when.



What so you actualy beleive god made adam and eve as the first two humans?
What year is it?!
Do you walk up to handicapped people and say
"God gave adam and eve legs for a reason, you are not in his image" when they don't have legs?
You're bring ridiculous.

Homosexuality is NOT choise, get over it,
the evidence is overwhelming.
Stop acting like a victim because your outdated opinion is not appreciated, I'm sorry but the world is 1500 years ahead of your ideas.

You are so insulting and daft in this! Look we have different views deal? My beliefs are no more outdated than yours. I've a right to speak.

[Miserabilia]

I feel like I should address the above but I don't see the point: it's clear that you have your mind set on the issue even after it has been demonstrated that your reasoning is fallacious.

Good luck, Cheesee.

Thanks :P

You are so insulting and daft in this! Look we have different views deal? My beliefs are no more outdated than yours. I've a right to speak.

K, well I'm done speaking here.

[darthearth]

The Bible also says what is love and homosexual love even if it is love doesn't align to that.

Ok, please tell me what you are referring to when you say "the Bible also says what is love" so I can understand why you believe homosexuality does not align with that.

Plus, if homosexuality is a part of God then why is it seen as sin?

I believe it is considered a sin solely because "holy" scriptures said it was, and people "had faith" in these scriptures.

If homosexuality is a part of God then why are so many homosexuals against God?

They threw the baby out with the bathwater.

If homosexuality is natural then why is it man and woman in marriages?

Because many have natural sexual attraction toward the opposite sex. They then do what is natural for them according to their natural attraction and have male/female relations. Other people however have no natural attraction toward the opposite sex, they have natural attraction towards the same sex. They would also like to follow what their natural orientation is, and have same sex relations. That makes sense now doesn't it.

If what you say is true then why out of everything the Bible says is this one sin always debated?

Because some would like to continue having "faith" in an inerrant "holy scripture" as opposed to others who are open to questioning that scripture in light of an open mind and new information.

I never said hate the sinner. That in itself is sinful and wrong be the root in faith or not. I treat people as equal despite what they do but I cannot condone all others and even all I do. We are not perfect. We all have work to do, me, you, your friends, strangers, all of us have a part.

We all understand this is your viewpoint, the question at hand is why homosexuality should be considered sinful.

A homosexual will always have God's love, but by what has been said and repeated by many cultures, customs, religons, people, and by the Bible itself maybe in part of the hard times and infant mortalities then maybe this is why homosexuality even if not a choice is seen as a sin.

Now the question begins to be addressed. The possibility of it previously being considerd sinful may be due to hard times and mortalities. But even if this is the case, how is that relevant for today?

Me? I see homosexuality as a sin.

Again, the question is why should it be considered a sin.

But I do not see it right to say they are not children of God, we all are even if one is far gone. I see homosexuals as people as we should, I respect them even if they disrespect me. Basically my only issue is how many of them see religion as the cause of their pain when that is really hate and not any religion.

Again, we understand this is your view. And again, the question is why it should be considered a sin.

You seem to be saying in this thread that just because we are created male and female and there is an apparent predominate natural orientation toward the opposite sex in people, all same sex relations should be considered sinful, as contrary to some imagined universal plan (and I underscore "universal" here). I assume this universal plan is believed because a certain male/female relation is the only natural route to produce offspring in humans. Is this correct? Further, any "love" in a same sex relation does not meet some special definition of love found in "holy scripture", and therefore fails at the "law of love" of the new covenant. Is this an accurate characterization? (And, as a reminder, please give the Biblical reference I requested above for the definition of "love" that homosexuality is asserted as being contrary to or "not in line with".)

[Lovelife090994]

Ok, please tell me what you are referring to when you say "the Bible also says what is love" so I can understand why you believe homosexuality does not align with that.



I believe it is considered a sin solely because "holy" scriptures said it was, and people "had faith" in these scriptures.



They threw the baby out with the bathwater.



Because many have natural sexual attraction toward the opposite sex. They then do what is natural for them according to their natural attraction and have male/female relations. Other people however have no natural attraction toward the opposite sex, they have natural attraction towards the same sex. They would also like to follow what their natural orientation is, and have same sex relations. That makes sense now doesn't it.



Because some would like to continue having "faith" in an inerrant "holy scripture" as opposed to others who are open to questioning that scripture in light of an open mind and new information.



We all understand this is your viewpoint, the question at hand is why homosexuality should be considered sinful.



Now the question begins to be addressed. The possibility of it previously being considerd sinful may be due to hard times and mortalities. But even if this is the case, how is that relevant for today?



Again, the question is why should it be considered a sin.



Again, we understand this is your view. And again, the question is why it should be considered a sin.

You seem to be saying in this thread that just because we are created male and female and there is an apparent predominate natural orientation toward the opposite sex in people, all same sex relations should be considered sinful, as contrary to some imagined universal plan (and I underscore "universal" here). I assume this universal plan is believed because a certain male/female relation is the only natural route to produce offspring in humans. Is this correct? Further, any "love" in a same sex relation does not meet some special definition of love found in "holy scripture", and therefore fails at the "law of love" of the new covenant. Is this an accurate characterization? (And, as a reminder, please give the Biblical reference I requested above for the definition of "love" that homosexuality is asserted as being contrary to or "not in line with".)

1st Corinthians 13:4-8 Clearly this doesn't depict how love between two of the same gender romantically is right. Love doesn't boast, however same-sex couples are boastful in how their love if it is true or not shows itself as a counter to tradition. Also, homosexual love no matter the gender pair challenges the norm so that can be seen as an unknown. How can one not desire the classic love to give either joy or fruit whilst being blessed by God? Even the barren couple will be blessed if their love is and only is true.

I don't care what gender you are, but a pair breeded in lust is not in love but blinded by pleasure. While we are not to judge nor condemn we must be careful lest we fall into this. Homosexuality is such a counter to what has been taught and accepted for centuries, while we all need love, I think homosexual love is different from heterosexual love. I know non-heterosexuality is misunderstood and feared for we fear that we don't understand. My main issue is how odd it is to me and to nature. It is misunderstood to me. I see non-heterosexuals as misunderstood but also I fail to grasp how it comes about sin or not. Call me crazy or insult me. Fine, you have that right. Know I've the right to ignore or rather walk away and tread softly if needed. What else did you wish to go over with me?

[Miserabilia]

1st Corinthians 13:4-8 Clearly this doesn't depict how love between two of the same gender romantically is right. Love doesn't boast, however same-sex couples are boastful in how their love if it is true or not shows itself as a counter to tradition. Also, homosexual love no matter the gender pair challenges the norm so that can be seen as an unknown. How can one not desire the classic love to give either joy or fruit whilst being blessed by God? Even the barren couple will be blessed if their love is and only is true.

I don't care what gender you are, but a pair breeded in lust is not in love but blinded by pleasure. While we are not to judge nor condemn we must be careful lest we fall into this. Homosexuality is such a counter to what has been taught and accepted for centuries, while we all need love, I think homosexual love is different from heterosexual love. I know non-heterosexuality is misunderstood and feared for we fear that we don't understand. My main issue is how odd it is to me and to nature. It is misunderstood to me. I see non-heterosexuals as misunderstood but also I fail to grasp how it comes about sin or not. Call me crazy or insult me. Fine, you have that right. Know I've the right to ignore or rather walk away and tread softly if needed. What else did you wish to go over with me?

but a pair breeded in lust is not in love but blinded by pleasure.

Wow, dude, wow.
How are you so sure homosexuals can't feel love?
Also, the emotion of love (for a mate) is a result of the need to have sex, which leeds to offsrping.

Homosexuality is such a counter to what has been taught and accepted for centuries,

Right, better ALWAYS stick to the old beleifs, that's clearly SO much better than progress!
Seriously, let's go back to enslaving black people and burning gay people, becuase you know that was accepted for centuries.

I know non-heterosexuality is misunderstood and feared for we fear that we don't understand. My main issue is how odd it is to me and to nature. It is misunderstood to me. I see non-heterosexuals as misunderstood but also I fail to grasp how it comes about sin or not. Call me crazy or insult me. Fine, you have that right.

- Homosexuality misunderstood because of fear
- Fear because they don't understand
- You don't understand it

You just described your own homophobia

Know I've the right to ignore or rather walk away and tread softly if needed. What else did you wish to go over with me?

You're not walking away, if you oppose gay marriage than that is not ignoring orwalking away, that is participation.

[Lovelife090994]

Wow, dude, wow.
How are you so sure homosexuals can't feel love?
Also, the emotion of love (for a mate) is a result of the need to have sex, which leeds to offsrping.



Right, better ALWAYS stick to the old beleifs, that's clearly SO much better than progress!
Seriously, let's go back to enslaving black people and burning gay people, becuase you know that was accepted for centuries.



- Homosexuality misunderstood because of fear
- Fear because they don't understand
- You don't understand it

You just described your own homophobia



You're not walking away, if you oppose gay marriage than that is not ignoring orwalking away, that is participation.

Phobia means fear to or fear of. Misunderstanding does not equal fear. Where does believing homosexuality is a sin tie to one wanting slavery? Don't insult me or joke or serious historical issues, slavery affected many including my family. I notice you fail to understand what is sin, sin is sin but not straight death. Sin can be forgiven. Sin is many things, no sin supercedes another. I believe homosexuality is a sin and that no one should change that. God's laws are eternal, they cannot be changed even if man changes. Did I say homosexuals are not loved? Are they? Of course. But the way of homosexuality is still sinful. Sin as in unclean, not to be entangled wirh. One must be cautious.

[Miserabilia]

Phobia means fear to or fear of. Misunderstanding does not equal fear. Where does believing homosexuality is a sin tie to one wanting slavery? Don't insult me or joke or serious historical issues, slavery affected many including my family. I notice you fail to understand what is sin, sin is sin but not straight death. Sin can be forgiven. Sin is many things, no sin supercedes another. I believe homosexuality is a sin and that no one should change that. God's laws are eternal, they cannot be changed even if man changes. Did I say homosexuals are not loved? Are they? Of course. But the way of homosexuality is still sinful. Sin as in unclean, not to be entangled wirh. One must be cautious.

Phobia means fear to or fear of. Misunderstanding does not equal fear.

You actualy explained this yourself already;

- Fear comes from misunderstanding

You literaly said and explained that yourself.

I notice you fail to understand what is sin, sin is sin but not straight death. Sin can be forgiven. Sin is many things, no sin supercedes another. I believe homosexuality is a sin and that no one should change that.

Right so you are basicly saying:

"HOmosexuals are chosing to indulge in sin and are unpure and unless they pray for forgivnes to the god I beleive in I think they will burn in eternal hellfire"

Did I say homosexuals are not loved?

No, you said they do not feel love, but only lust, which is insulting and untrue towards proabbly all homosexuals.

[Harry Smith]

Homosexuality is such a counter to what has been taught and accepted for centuries, while we all need love, I think homosexual love is different from heterosexual love.

Not really-the Greeks and Romans practiced it for centuries-plus do you agree with Slavery? Because that was accepted for centuries.

And yes homosexual love is different to hetero love-it's between two people of the same gender.

[Lovelife090994]

Not really-the Greeks and Romans practiced it for centuries-plus do you agree with Slavery? Because that was accepted for centuries.

And yes homosexual love is different to hetero love-it's between two people of the same gender. Understand?

I understand the premise of homosexuality, that doesn't mean it isn't a sinful act, even some heterosexual acts are sinful. Did I say slavery is fine and dandy? It is Not. The Greeks and Romans had a pantheon of Gods of all sexualities. Does this make that right? No. Plus both cultures have had many barbaric practices.

You actualy explained this yourself already;

- Fear comes from misunderstanding

You literaly said and explained that yourself.



Right so you are basicly saying:

"HOmosexuals are chosing to indulge in sin and are unpure and unless they pray for forgivnes to the god I beleive in I think they will burn in eternal hellfire"



No, you said they do not feel love, but only lust, which is insulting and untrue towards proabbly all homosexuals.

Do all homosexuals face Hell? No. That is for God to discern.

[Miserabilia]

I understand the premise of homosexuality, that doesn't mean it isn't a sinful act, even some heterosexual acts are sinful. Did I say slavery is fine and dandy? It is Not. The Greeks and Romans had a pantheon of Gods of all sexualities. Does this make that right? No. Plus both cultures have had many barbaric practices.



Do all homosexuals face Hell? No. That is for God to discern.

Did I say slavery is fine and dandy? It is Not.

No, but ONCE AGAIN, your argument can also be used to support slavery.

The Greeks and Romans had a pantheon of Gods of all sexualities. Does this make that right? No. Plus both cultures have had many barbaric practices.
Right, which only shows why your argument was invalid.


Do all homosexuals face Hell? No. That is for God to discern.

You said so yourself, that they will not face hell when they pray for forgivenes; a.k.a atheist homosexuals will go to hell.

[Harry Smith]

I understand the premise of homosexuality, that doesn't mean it isn't a sinful act, even some heterosexual acts are sinful. Did I say slavery is fine and dandy? It is Not. The Greeks and Romans had a pantheon of Gods of all sexualities. Does this make that right? No. Plus both cultures have had many barbaric practices.



Do all homosexuals face Hell? No. That is for God to discern.

Ah right so homosexuality is barbaric, I thought you claimed to love all of God's childrens. Your argument pretty much backed up slavery considering you claimed homosexuality is a new modern tradition that isn't supported by History-by that logic Slavery should be legal. It's just funny how many of your basic points are simply wrong-see the romans

[Lovelife090994]

Ah right so homosexuality is barbaric, I thought you claimed to love all of God's childrens. Your argument pretty much backed up slavery considering you claimed homosexuality is a new modern tradition that isn't supported by History-by that logic Slavery should be legal. It's just funny how many of your basic points are simply wrong-see the romans

No, but ONCE AGAIN, your argument can also be used to support slavery.


Right, which only shows why your argument was invalid.



You said so yourself, that they will not face hell when they pray for forgivenes; a.k.a atheist homosexuals will go to hell.

I'm speaking English yet neither of you are getting this. First off, Hell is place the damned go. Who is damned? Only God and time will tell.

Do I support slavery? Of course not! That's utterly barbaric!

Is homosexuality primitive? No, although all sex may be.

Why cant I say homosexuality is a sin but you can insult me to tears, boredom, and for your own schadenfreude ways? I love people, not all people love so maybe my love is unrequited. We are all God's children but we all must live right else we may live in despair.

[Miserabilia]

I'm speaking English yet neither of you are getting this. First off, Hell is place the damned go. Who is damned? Only God and time will tell.

Do I support slavery? Of course not! That's utterly barbaric!

Is homosexuality primitive? No, although all sex may be.

Why cant I say homosexuality is a sin but you can insult me to tears, boredom, and for your own schadenfreude ways? I love people, not all people love so maybe my love is unrequited. We are all God's children but we all must live right else we may live in despair.

First off, Hell is place the damned go. Who is damned? Only God and time will tell.

Revelation 21:8 ESV

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

" sexually immoral"

Furthuermore, the bible clearly says that sinners that don't pray for forgivenes go to hell, AND that homosexuality IS a sin.

Why cant I say homosexuality is a sin but you can insult me to tears, boredom, and for your own schadenfreude ways?

Insult you to tears?
Who insulted you? How is this insulting? Just a debate.

[Harry Smith]

I'm speaking English yet neither of you are getting this. First off, Hell is place the damned go. Who is damned? Only God and time will tell.

Do I support slavery? Of course not! That's utterly barbaric!

Is homosexuality primitive? No, although all sex may be.

Why cant I say homosexuality is a sin but you can insult me to tears, boredom, and for your own schadenfreude ways? I love people, not all people love so maybe my love is unrequited. We are all God's children but we all must live right else we may live in despair.

We said your argument supported Slavery which it does


Revelation 21:8 ESV

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

" sexually immoral"

Furthuermore, the bible clearly says that sinners that don't pray for forgivenes go to hell, AND that homosexuality IS a sin.



Insult you to tears?
Who insulted you? How is this insulting? Just a debate.

The ironic thing is that christians ignore the Bible when it's used against them, they just ignore it and dismiss it as a 'fable'. At least other religions like Islam actually follow their holy book

[Miserabilia]

We said your argument supported Slavery which it does




The ironic thing is that christians ignore the Bible when it's used against them, they just ignore it and dismiss it as a 'fable'. At least other religions like Islam actually follow their holy book

Sadly yes

[Lovelife090994]

We said your argument supported Slavery which it does




The ironic thing is that christians ignore the Bible when it's used against them, they just ignore it and dismiss it as a 'fable'. At least other religions like Islam actually follow their holy book

You're impossible. No Christians don't ignore the Bible. You want tolerance yet hate me and those who feel your ways are sinful? How is that love? In the end those in sin can be damned but no human knows who. Only God knows. Quit insulting a group.

[Harry Smith]

You're impossible. No Christians don't ignore the Bible. You want tolerance yet hate me and those who feel your ways are sinful? How is that love? In the end those in sin can be damned but no human knows who. Only God knows. Quit insulting a group.

You do ignore large chunks of the Bible-the stuff about rape and slavery in the old testament but you feel happy to bring up the anti-gay stuff from the old testament. If you can change your view on Slavery you can change it on homosexuality.

Again can you please quote where I've been hateful? This is a debate-please back up your claims otherwise we might as well give up.

[Miserabilia]

You're impossible. No Christians don't ignore the Bible. You want tolerance yet hate me and those who feel your ways are sinful? How is that love? In the end those in sin can be damned but no human knows who. Only God knows. Quit insulting a group.

You do use certain things from the bible, and leave others out; you ignore parts of it.

You want tolerance yet hate me and those who feel your ways are sinful?
DId he hate you?
Did he say he hate you?
Did he say anything HATEFUL towards you?
Nope.

Quit insulting a group.

How is saying the things you said about homosexuality not insulting, but this is?

[StrangerDanger]

Maybe, just maybe, the bible is fictional. Think on that.

[darkangel91]

The bible is a vast parable, meant by those who wrote it to teach proper morals and a view of God's nature, but it was never meant to be taken literally. Even the story of Genesis is a parable. People Christian and otherwise take things way too literally.

[tovaris]

you forgot the part that god looks like a man and a woman at the same time...
:D