What Are Your Thoughts On Trump?

[Sweeney05]

Is he really as bad as everyone is making him out to be?

[Dalcourt]

I guess this highly depends on who you are talking too.
His avid supporters will find and explanation and apology for whatever he does. They are blinded by his lies and sadly share his views since why else would they have voted for him?
His opponents will tell you what a horrible person he is and how he tries to lie himself out of everything.

For the ordinary American things haven't changed much under his Presidency.

From my personal point of view I would say he is simply unfit to be President since be acts like a spoiled child and not like an intelligent grown man as you would want the leader of a nation to act.
As for all the sexist and racist stuff that is in the news...He is just a typical representative of a huge part of the US society. He is by far not the only person who is like that and by far not the worst. He represents the ugly but sadly true face of the US. If you are a minority or female you heard this kind of talk from people long before Trump but just not so loud.
But now those people have their spokesman in the White House.

The thing Trump has done is shown the world the parts of US society the rest of the Western world always ignored.

So Is Trump really that bad? Guess everyone has to decide that for themselves.

For me I see a very positive thing in him...he and his reaction to certain events has helped to show our society's true face, something a decent president like Obama would never have managed. And I feel it is important that the world knows about how this country really is.

[Drewboyy]

^ That post had so much potential with the first sentence. Then it kinda just took a sharp turn.

To answer your question, I think he’s doing a pretty good job overall. I mean he’s doing what he said he would do, and since he was elected, he should be upholding that.

If he learned to shut his mouth then a lot more people would like him. “Fake News” or not, it’s sad people (Americans specifically) want to believe all the bad things about him. If he shut tf up sometimes then there wouldn’t even be a need to make up news supporting/opposing him.

[Sweeney05]

^ That post had so much potential with the first sentence. Then it kinda just took a sharp turn.

To answer your question, I think he’s doing a pretty good job overall. I mean he’s doing what he said he would do, and since he was elected, he should be upholding that.

If he learned to shut his mouth then a lot more people would like him. “Fake News” or not, it’s sad people (Americans specifically) want to believe all the bad things about him. If he shut tf up sometimes then there wouldn’t even be a need to make up news supporting/opposing him.

Yeah, I agree with you there. He's doing an alright job. I think most of his problems are caused by him running his mouth. If he learnt how to shut the F up I think his presidency would be running a lot more smoothly.

[Dalcourt]

But why do you guys think he can't shut his mouth?
Why do you think he says that things?

I mean I wouldn't even think most of that stuff he says out loud. So if he has such opinions in his head and if he isn't able to control himself do you really think he his capable of doing a good job for a country like the USA?

With this dictator like attitude he might be able to run one of the places he calls shit hole countries but a leading nation?

I'm not so sure about it but honestly I also don't care. Guess the country got what it deserved with Trump.

[Anthony17]

Yeah, I agree with you there. He's doing an alright job. I think most of his problems are caused by him running his mouth. If he learnt how to shut the F up I think his presidency would be running a lot more smoothly.

But why do you guys think he can't shut his mouth?
Why do you think he says that things?

I mean I wouldn't even think most of that stuff he says out loud. So if he has such opinions in his head and if he isn't able to control himself do you really think he his capable of doing a good job for a country like the USA?

With this dictator like attitude he might be able to run one of the places he calls shit hole countries but a leading nation?

I'm not so sure about it but honestly I also don't care. Guess the country got what it deserved with Trump.

First and foremost, we need someone like Mr. Trump to create instability. The United States is a declining empire, much like the Roman and British Empires before it, it will crumble. You would have never seen such a defiant act against the US like the UN General Assembly vote 40 or even 20 years ago. American politics and America in general, over the years, has devolved into a cesspool of complacency and corruption. It needs a reset.

[mattsmith48]

He's a useful idiot being controlled by the wrong people.

I agree with the others who said he should stop talking, but what do you except from a guy with the attention spend of a goldfish.

My apologies to all the goldfish I may have offended with this last joke.

To answer your question, I think he’s doing a pretty good job overall. I mean he’s doing what he said he would do, and since he was elected, he should be upholding that.

Missed the part during the campaign when he promise if elected he spend most of his days watching TV and start pointless fights on Twitter.

I'm not so sure about it but honestly I also don't care. Guess the country got what it deserved with Trump.

The people supporting your shitty electoral system and centrists democrats got what they deserved. Most Republicans and Vladimir Putin got what they asked for.

[Dalcourt]

First and foremost, we need someone like Mr. Trump to create instability. The United States is a declining empire, much like the Roman and British Empires before it, it will crumble. You would have never seen such a defiant act against the US like the UN General Assembly vote 40 or even 20 years ago. American politics and America in general, over the years, has devolved into a cesspool of complacency and corruption. It needs a reset.

I agree with the declining empire part. And that's why I said the good thing about Trump is that he shows the world the real US society.

This place needs a complete reset that is for sure.

People voted for Trump to make America great again...they cling to a long lost glory that will never come back the way they want it.
What they got with Trump is someone who brings the nation nearer to the abyss than it ever was.
But I guess that is what everyone here needs.

So maybe his politics make a fresh start possible in the years to come and he ironically really helped to make America great again.

[Anthony17]

I agree with the declining empire part. And that's why I said the good thing about Trump is that he shows the world the real US society.

This place needs a complete reset that is for sure.

People voted for Trump to make America great again...they cling to a long lost glory that will never come back the way they want it.
What they got with Trump is someone who brings the nation nearer to the abyss than it ever was.
But I guess that is what everyone here needs.

So maybe his politics make a fresh start possible in the years to come and he ironically really helped to make America great again.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean "his" politics are the change. I mean he is the harbinger of the change. We need something to knock America out of this haze. Greatness can return, however, it cannot and will not return under the flag of another nation. We must come together if we are to survive as a species.

[Dalcourt]

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean "his" politics are the change. I mean he is the harbinger of the change. We need something to knock America out of this haze. Greatness can return, however, it cannot and will not return under the flag of another nation. We must come together if we are to survive as a species.

Well for me Trumps politics make way for the ultimate downfall of the nation and make way for something new to arise out of it. So it is his politics after all.

I'm too tired for an in depth discussion so maybe another time.

[Anthony17]

Well for me Trumps politics make way for the ultimate downfall of the nation and make way for something new to arise out of it. So it is his politics after all.

I'm too tired for an in depth discussion so maybe another time.

We don't want the downfall of just the nation, but of society.

[ssaars]

Here in the Netherlands we only hear aboit him when he does something weird or silly, or tweets something very random. He's a great form of entertainment to us actually, just because he does random things but he thinks he has it all under control.
Which I actually think he does, I don't know why. He's probably not as bad as people first thought him to be. I think he has it all under control just fine.

But that's what I can see from here of course, no idea what it's like actually living in the US

[mattsmith48]

Here in the Netherlands we only hear aboit him when he does something weird or silly, or tweets something very random. He's a great form of entertainment to us actually, just because he does random things but he thinks he has it all under control.
Which I actually think he does, I don't know why. He's probably not as bad as people first thought him to be. I think he has it all under control just fine.

But that's what I can see from here of course, no idea what it's like actually living in the US

You are right about something, seen from the outside, it is very entertaining.

[RavenTheGoddess]

He's done both good and bad things, I think we can all agree on that. Personally, I have a neutral opinion about him as a person. I don't like his bad decisions, but I know they're his to make, as I've done in the past. I think we can all agree we've all made mistakes we aren't happy we made in the past.

[Stronk Serb]

Trump and his supporters romanticise the golden age of the US. It's not possible. The USSR is gone, China is emerging, Russia started exerting influence, US allies are getting alienated by the US. The whole Jerusalem thing left a bitter taste in the US's muslim allies. Obama maintained the status quo well, he distanced himself from the whole Jews vs. Muslims debate and let his Middle Eastern partners just do their thing. Israel was shelling Palestinian children, Saudi Arabia was stoning women... Just like usual.

[Anthony17]

You are right about something, seen from the outside, it is very entertaining.

Quite so, now let's get on with the war and economic depression, that's when the true entertainment starts...

[PlasmaHam]

As stated earlier, your opinion of Trump does depend on your political stances on the issues, and whether you think Trump's big mouth, or his actual policies, are more important.

Personally, I think Trump's presidency has been good so far. Looking at actual policy, the man has done much good. He has been cutting back the failure of Obamacare, been encouraging border security, and successfully pushed Congress to pass a tax bill, that while not perfect, is definitely an improvement on what was. Israel was also a big thing, every president over the last 20 years has promised to make Jerusalem the capital, but Trump is the only one who has followed through with it. He has reasserted US strength and sovereignty on the international stage, after years of cowering to the demands of lesser countries. Of course, all this is based upon whether you support these policies, but in my eyes they are good.

99% of Trump's problems are caused by his mouth, not actual policy. That's my biggest grievance with him. For instance, take this "shithole" thing. Everyone knows and will admit to themselves that those countries like Haiti are not the best places in the world, arguably some of the worst. They probably are the "shitholes" of countries, but of course you really don't want to say that in public (or in private meetings with Democrats). Well, Trump and his big mouth did, and now the media is going all out how this proves Trump is a racist. Let's be honest, this is not really a big deal. Within a month everyone would have forgotten about it, because it really means nothing besides Trump has a bit of a potty-mouth. But even though it really means nothing, that's what people are going to harp about. If he has kept quiet, he would probably still be flying high on the success of tax reform.

But to answer your question, I think the harping that Trump is going to reestablish slavery or hand over the keys to the White House to Vladimir Putin is just baseless fearmongering. Whether or not he is good or bad is up to you, but I would put very little trust in those who are ranting about Trump doomsday scenarios.

[Drewboyy]

Missed the part during the campaign when he promise if elected he spend most of his days watching TV and start pointless fights on Twitter.


Actually during the campaign he said he did that purposefully just so he could have all the media aimed at him 24/7 to win the election. As we can see, it kinda worked. So he might just keep this up until 2020 in hopes of a 2nd term.

[mattsmith48]

Quite so, now let's get on with the war and economic depression, that's when the true entertainment starts...

Those are things that would happen no matter who is in office.

Personally, I think Trump's presidency has been good so far. Looking at actual policy, the man has done much good. He has been cutting back the failure of Obamacare, been encouraging border security, and successfully pushed Congress to pass a tax bill, that while not perfect, is definitely an improvement on what was. Israel was also a big thing, every president over the last 20 years has promised to make Jerusalem the capital, but Trump is the only one who has followed through with it. He has reasserted US strength and sovereignty on the international stage, after years of cowering to the demands of lesser countries. Of course, all this is based upon whether you support these policies, but in my eyes they are good.

Cutting back the failure of Obamacare? Mind to explain that one?

A commitment to war, raising taxes on the poor, trying to take away health care from people, and a border wall no one wants to pay for. If that's what you see as the good things I don't want to know what you think are the bad ones.

99% of Trump's problems are caused by his mouth, not actual policy. That's my biggest grievance with him. For instance, take this "shithole" thing. Everyone knows and will admit to themselves that those countries like Haiti are not the best places in the world, arguably some of the worst. They probably are the "shitholes" of countries, but of course you really don't want to say that in public (or in private meetings with Democrats). Well, Trump and his big mouth did, and now the media is going all out how this proves Trump is a racist. Let's be honest, this is not really a big deal. Within a month everyone would have forgotten about it, because it really means nothing besides Trump has a bit of a potty-mouth. But even though it really means nothing, that's what people are going to harp about. If he has kept quiet, he would probably still be flying high on the success of tax reform.

If shitholegate is your argument to prove Trump is a racists, you haven't been paying attention. This is less of an evidence of racism and more of a reminder for people who forgot it. Sadly you're right people will just forget about this in a couple weeks, when President Stable Genius starts a feud with someone else.

Actually during the campaign he said he did that purposefully just so he could have all the media aimed at him 24/7 to win the election. As we can see, it kinda worked. So he might just keep this up until 2020 in hopes of a 2nd term.

Well for that he as to stay president until 2020. Seeing how things are going that's not really a guarantee.

[AussieNicholas]

I was willing to wait until his presidency began to judge him but even I (who was neutral through the whole election) find his first year an embarrassment. Putting his policies aside, he acts like a complete child. I'm following him on Twitter (just for the lolz) and I screenshotted a tweet of his in which he bragged about a poll showing him to have a 46% approval rating. Even if it is 46% and not around 30% like other sources have claimed, that's still a minority.

Given his childish behaviour I don't think he's capable of making good decisions for the country. The only good result of this crisis with Korea is that the North is apparently engaging in talks again with the South. Hopefully that will result in some progress when it comes to re-unifying Korea but I'll be astonished if he gets a second term.

[azurzg]

Look at the latest cover page of Der Spiegel (one of Europe's largest news magazines): http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-1237289-860_galleryfree-wnnc-1237289.jpg.

[Anthony17]

Those are things that would happen no matter who is in office.

Your point being?

[Dmaxd123]

Those are things that would happen no matter who is in office.



Cutting back the failure of Obamacare? Mind to explain that one?

-he is trying to take away the penalty for those that elect to not have health insurance (you know... those that can't AFFORD the "affordable"care act)

A commitment to war, raising taxes on the poor, trying to take away health care from people, and a border wall no one wants to pay for. If that's what you see as the good things I don't want to know what you think are the bad ones.

-how is he raising taxes on the poor? I don't agree with the new tax plan 100% but my understanding is the tax plan will leave the bottom 1/2 about the same, changes the top 1/4 and leaves quite a few people the same. biggest implications I believe are with states like CA, NJ, NY that have high property taxes but that is a problem with the state tax code not a national tax code

-border wall: well we don't really "need" the wall just stricter immigration policies, I heard on the radio last week that many countries are a lot harder to immigrate into but everyone is still upset that you can't just walk into the US plant a flag and declare it "my new home country"


If shitholegate is your argument to prove Trump is a racists, you haven't been paying attention. This is less of an evidence of racism and more of a reminder for people who forgot it. Sadly you're right people will just forget about this in a couple weeks, when President Stable Genius starts a feud with someone else.

-Trump got into office by speaking whats on his mind... right wrong or indifferent. people were tired of politicians pussy-footing around things. I personally don't think he's racist but really don't care if he is as long as he does his job without letting racism cloud his judgement (i could also argue Obama was racist but we won't go there today lol)



Well for that he as to stay president until 2020. Seeing how things are going that's not really a guarantee.

-I think Trump will fulfill his term, he is only a segment of the governing body, his biggest threat is starting war and he has Mattis to advise him there (if you have noticed.... no one has been buzzing US ships since Trump/Mattis took office)


so all in all I don't think Trump/congress is doing a terrible job, room for improvement? yea! but that is with any politician

[Drewboyy]

Well for that he as to stay president until 2020. Seeing how things are going that's not really a guarantee.

I apologize. I meant *2024 lul

[Dalcourt]

Look at the latest cover page of Der Spiegel (one of Europe's largest news magazines): http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-1237289-860_galleryfree-wnnc-1237289.jpg.

A friend from Germany sent me that, too.
I guess that is an accurate response to the OP's question from the European point of view.

[Stronk Serb]

I do not support him, nor do I like his character, nor do I think that he does a good job, from my perspective at least, but calling him an ape etc. is very immature. To the average citizen, he may or may not do a good job, depending on your point of view, but in the world of politics, we never know the full story behind some decision.

On the global scale, it would have been pretty similar if Hillary won.

[Dalcourt]

I do not support him, nor do I like his character, nor do I think that he does a good job, from my perspective at least, but calling him an ape etc. is very immature. To the average citizen, he may or may not do a good job, depending on your point of view, but in the world of politics, we never know the full story behind some decision.

On the global scale, it would have been pretty similar if Hillary won.

Sure we might not know the whole story behind some decisions or things said and done. But this would also have been true for a Obama, Putin, Merkel or whatever politician and leader you wanna choose. But the fact that the whole world has such an opinion about the US president and the country as a whole says a lot.

People laughed about a George W. Bush and said he was a bad president and what not but the extent of criticism for Trump isn't just fabricated out of anothing. There must be something seriously wrong cuz otherwise there wouldn't be this constant shitstorm.
And everbody who denies that just closes their eyes from the truth.

[Stanley02]

Is he really as bad as everyone is making him out to be?

Absolutely yes

[mattsmith48]

I was willing to wait until his presidency began to judge him but even I (who was neutral through the whole election) find his first year an embarrassment. Putting his policies aside, he acts like a complete child. I'm following him on Twitter (just for the lolz) and I screenshotted a tweet of his in which he bragged about a poll showing him to have a 46% approval rating. Even if it is 46% and not around 30% like other sources have claimed, that's still a minority.

I think I missed this, did he take the percentage of the votes for approval rating?


-how is he raising taxes on the poor? I don't agree with the new tax plan 100% but my understanding is the tax plan will leave the bottom 1/2 about the same, changes the top 1/4 and leaves quite a few people the same. biggest implications I believe are with states like CA, NJ, NY that have high property taxes but that is a problem with the state tax code not a national tax code

Its in the plan to raise taxes on the poor and middle class to slow down the raise on the debt the tax cuts to the rich will bring.

border wall: well we don't really "need" the wall just stricter immigration policies, I heard on the radio last week that many countries are a lot harder to immigrate into but everyone is still upset that you can't just walk into the US plant a flag and declare it "my new home country"

The US is one of the toughest to immigrate in. The border wall to prevent illegal immigration is a waste of time and money since most undocumented immigrants get into the US by plane and overstay their visa.


-Trump got into office by speaking whats on his mind... right wrong or indifferent. people were tired of politicians pussy-footing around things. I personally don't think he's racist but really don't care if he is as long as he does his job without letting racism cloud his judgement (i could also argue Obama was racist but we won't go there today lol)

So you went from pussyfooting to pussy grabbing. If someone constantly says racists things, and that same person is known to always speak is mind, shouldn't that confirm that he is a racist.

How was Obama a racist? Sure he was a little aggressive when it came to bomb Muslim contries, but nothing shows that it was due to any sort of racism.

-I think Trump will fulfill his term, he is only a segment of the governing body, his biggest threat is starting war and he has Mattis to advise him there (if you have noticed.... no one has been buzzing US ships since Trump/Mattis took office)so all in all I don't think Trump/congress is doing a terrible job, room for improvement? yea! but that is with any politician

Actually Trump's biggest threat is the Russia investigation, with himself being close second.

I apologize. I meant *2024 lul

Even less likely.

I do not support him, nor do I like his character, nor do I think that he does a good job, from my perspective at least, but calling him an ape etc. is very immature.

And very insulting to apes.

On the global scale, it would have been pretty similar if Hillary won.

Well except for the tensions with North Korea, or the US' climate policy.

[AussieNicholas]

I think I missed this, did he take the percentage of the votes for approval rating?






It was a tweet from mid-December. I grabbed a screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/LkWLmGR.png

[lliam]

https://johnbriner.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/the-scream.jpeg

[NewLeafsFan]

As stated earlier, your opinion of Trump does depend on your political stances on the issues, and whether you think Trump's big mouth, or his actual policies, are more important.

Personally, I think Trump's presidency has been good so far. Looking at actual policy, the man has done much good. He has been cutting back the failure of Obamacare, been encouraging border security, and successfully pushed Congress to pass a tax bill, that while not perfect, is definitely an improvement on what was. Israel was also a big thing, every president over the last 20 years has promised to make Jerusalem the capital, but Trump is the only one who has followed through with it. He has reasserted US strength and sovereignty on the international stage, after years of cowering to the demands of lesser countries. Of course, all this is based upon whether you support these policies, but in my eyes they are good.

Wonderful! Lets debate policy! I love it!

Border security? Trying to put up a wall is probably the best idea that a child could come up with. Funny about most walls in the world that are put up is they always seem to come down. Berlin wall most famously and the Great Wall of China served a purpose for a short time during war with Mongolia and remained intact as a historical site.

While I will happily admit that the Affordable Care Act has caused health care to be far too expensive; expensive health care is better than no health care. And don't try to pretend that privatizing health care is a better substitute. If it was, Obamacare never would have been implemented.

He pushed congress to pass a tax bill! Wow, full marks. The house is Republican. The Senate is Republican. And they got one thing passed. That must a historically slow pass for a government in the USA entirely run by one political party. And I would credit him for except for the fact that it is so similar to Reagan's tax system. In the Reagan years the national debt tripled, the number of people living below the poverty line almost doubled while the wealthiest of Americans were easily able to triple their net worth in. All of that happened in less than 8 years.

As far as Israel goes, it is not true that many previous Presidents planned on naming Jerusalem the capital. Obama supported the Palestinians. But as a favour to his Jewish son-in-law, Trump did. And he followed it up by threatening to end aid to any country that voted against it at the UN. Holding leaders hostage on the international scale. Now that's just UN-AMERICAN!

If any other Trump supporters need a reality check, please PM me so I can give you the cold hard facts.

[jack2001]

Trump is the worst president in modern history

[Fiona2]

A commitment to war, (do you mean defeating ISIS?) raising taxes on the poor (the poor don't pay income taxes in the US, tax rates are lower for all others), trying to take away health care from people (didn't happen), and a border wall no one wants to pay for. (Many national security experts believe that securing the border is important for national security) If that's what you see as the good things I don't want to know what you think are the bad ones.
.....

[mattsmith48]

do you mean defeating ISIS?

What does ISIS have to do with Israel and Palestine they are not even in the same region.

the poor don't pay income taxes in the US, tax rates are lower for all others

Raising taxes on the lower tier, is that better?

didn't happen

I said trying, their incompetence is the only reason it didn't happen.

Many national security experts believe that securing the border is important for national security

A border wall wouldn't do any of those things, and again no one wants to pay for it.

[Fiona2]

What does ISIS have to do with Israel and Palestine they are not even in the same region. The commitment to war (your words) is with ISIS.


Raising taxes on the lower tier, is that better? Tax rates were not raised, they were lowered.



A border wall wouldn't do any of those things, and again no one wants to pay for it. Many experts disagree with you.....

[mattsmith48]

Fiona2 can you please stop posting your replies directly into the quote its making it harder to respond. Thank you :)

The commitment to war (your words) is with ISIS.

The commitment to war is recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. The commitment to war with ISIS was a continuation of Bush's war on terror made worst by Obama. Trump as nothing to do with it. I don't even remember if since his inauguration when he was quoting Batman villains (Not related to anything just fun to remind people on this) he as ever mention ISIS once.

Tax rates were not raised, they were lowered.

At first, but soon after taxes on lower income will raise.

Low-income earners would pay more in taxes starting in 2021 under a revised Senate Republican bill, according to a congressional analysis released Thursday.

People with incomes between $10,000 and $30,000 a year would see their overall taxes decrease in 2019 along with all earners, but that would reverse in 2021, according to a report from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation.

By 2023, people with incomes below $10,000 also would see increases.

All other income categories, including those earning more than $1 million a year, would see tax decreases through 2025.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-lower-income-earners-face-tax-increases-1510846516-htmlstory.html

Many experts disagree with you.

Disagree on what, no one wants to pay for it or that walls don't fucking work?

[Fiona2]

Fiona2
The commitment to war is recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. The commitment to war with ISIS was a continuation of Bush's war on terror made worst by Obama. Trump as nothing to do with it. I don't even remember if since his inauguration when he was quoting Batman villains (Not related to anything just fun to remind people on this) he as ever mention ISIS once.


At first, but soon after taxes on lower income will raise.

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Disagree on what, no one wants to pay for it or that walls don't fucking work?

The Capitol of Israel is Jerusalem.

The lowest tax bracket is 10%. It will remain at 10% after 2021.

Both.

[mattsmith48]

The Capitol of Israel is Jerusalem.

Only recognized by Israel, the US and a few countries bullied into supporting the recognition by the US, or as Trump call them shithole countries.

The lowest tax bracket is 10%. It will remain at 10% after 2021.

Did you even read what I posted? Also 10% to someone who is making 10k is kinda a lot, but nevermind that, those billionaires really needed those extra few millions in their bank account that's the important issue.

Both.

Well on the Democrats and the sane Republican side it is pretty clear they are against building the wall, they had a government shutdown over it so when it comes to paying for it the question answers it self. As for the Trump supporters the big part of that promise that got them was that Mexico will pay for it, and when asked about it the Mexican president said to Trump what Trumpcare said to sick poor people, Go fuck yourself.

[samuel15]

no he is not bad nor is he rasist but i would say he is not the best president
the usa has had

[lliam]

Trump's IQ is so high that the border line to stupidity is barely measurable.

[JustMyHumbleOpinion]

My overall thoughts on Trump are mixed.
I find some of his tweets on Global Warming just hilarious, though i think things like the wall were just bells and whistles to give the campaign something memorable (sure as hell did do a good job..)

I overall think he's era is going to be very memorable in 10 years time whether it'd be for the right or wrong reasons (considering he doesn't start a war with North Korea by then..)

[mattsmith48]

I find some of his tweets on Global Warming just hilarious

That is least funny thing in the history of the Trump presidency, the slow and painful death of our planet and everything that lives on it is no laughing matter, except for sarcasm mocking conspiracy theorists who thinks it is not happening.

[JustMyHumbleOpinion]

That is least funny thing in the history of the Trump presidency, the slow and painful death of our planet and everything that lives on it is no laughing matter, except for sarcasm mocking conspiracy theorists who thinks it is not happening.

This is all to true, though i still find it very amusing that the president of one of our biggest superpowers can be so brainless (and his supporters)..

Though Global Warming probably won't be needed..
The US, Russia, or North Korea probably would of blew the earth to pieces before the warming climate will slaughter us..

[mattsmith48]

This is all to true, though i still find it very amusing that the president of one of our biggest superpowers can be so brainless (and his supporters)..

Though Global Warming probably won't be needed..
The US, Russia, or North Korea probably would of blew the earth to pieces before the warming climate will slaughter us..

If the war between the US and North Korea was going to happen it would already have happen.

[Fiona2]

Only recognized by Israel, the US and a few countries bullied into supporting the recognition by the US, or as Trump call them shithole countries.

Did you even read what I posted? Also 10% to someone who is making 10k is kinda a lot, but nevermind that, those billionaires really needed those extra few millions in their bank account that's the important issue.

Well on the Democrats and the sane Republican side it is pretty clear they are against building the wall, they had a government shutdown over it so when it comes to paying for it the question answers it self. As for the Trump supporters the big part of that promise that got them was that Mexico will pay for it, and when asked about it the Mexican president said to Trump what Trumpcare said to sick poor people, Go fuck yourself.

Imagine a country determining it's own capitol and one it's strongest allies supporting it.

Someone who is making 10k doesn't pay any taxes because of the 24k standard deduction. You clearly don't understand the US tax system. Revealing your lack of understanding doesn't support your cause.

If you think people voted for Trump because they believed Mexico would pay for the wall then I can't help you.

[ShineintheDark]

If you think people voted for Trump because they believed Mexico would pay for the wall then I can't help you.

I mean, you literally just ignored everything he said there. he said the reason Trump supporters support the idea OF THE WALL was because Mexicans would apparently pay for it. Revealing your own lack of understanding does not support your cause. Just for once it'd be nice of a Trump supporter was honest to themselves: do you really think that $20 billion or so towards a border wall is money well spent? Or do you just prefer it doesn't go towards Dreamers?

[mattsmith48]

Imagine a country determining it's own capitol and one it's strongest allies supporting it.

Its only one ally, ally that is acting unreasonably and is run by a clown.

Someone who is making 10k doesn't pay any taxes because of the 24k standard deduction. You clearly don't understand the US tax system. Revealing your lack of understanding doesn't support your cause.

Believe it or not, I have better things to do than intensely studying the tax system of a country I don't live in. What I've said on the subject until now is from what I've read from multiple sources, and even went to posting and quoting one of those sources. Now you can either do the same to disprove or correct what I said by doing the same or we can stop talking about it. Its up to you.

If you think people voted for Trump because they believed Mexico would pay for the wall then I can't help you.

No I said Trump supporters were in favour of the wall because Mexico was going to pay for it.

[Stronk Serb]

Imagine a country determining it's own capitol and one it's strongest allies supporting it.

Sure thing, but when North Korea was up with it's shenanigans, China started withdrawing it's support of the Hermit Kingdom.

I love it when Trump supporters are for a USA-first policy, until someone mentions Israel. Then they are willing to take any shekels the Israeli toss at them.

[InternetTeen]

I don't think he's that bad but i don't think he's great. He introduced the muslim ban which i guess is trying to stop terror attacks but not all muslims are terrorists. Fighting ISIS actually removing their power in the Middle East was good but i don't know if he should get credit for that.
As you can probably tell i'm not the best with politics and all that fancy stuff

[Gvanni]

Simply, he's a joke. Just a silly figurehead for the Republicans to do their biddings. People who breathe his every word should really educate themselves and stop being such close-minded sheep. You people are honestly idiotic...
People who sit on his dick all day complaining need to spend their times better, we know Trump is garbage already. Stop complaining and blaming him for everything, it's childish.

Trump will pass by in 3 years, if he doesn't die from such old age in the meantime...

[mattsmith48]

I don't think he's that bad but i don't think he's great. He introduced the muslim ban which i guess is trying to stop terror attacks but not all muslims are terrorists. Fighting ISIS actually removing their power in the Middle East was good but i don't know if he should get credit for that.
As you can probably tell i'm not the best with politics and all that fancy stuff

The Muslim ban is just a racist policy that doesn't stop terrorism and are just making things worst, just like the border wall. As for the decline of ISIS its more the doing of Obama than Trump.

Simply, he's a joke. Just a silly figurehead for the Republicans to do their biddings. People who breathe his every word should really educate themselves and stop being such close-minded sheep. You people are honestly idiotic...
People who sit on his dick all day complaining need to spend their times better, we know Trump is garbage already. Stop complaining and blaming him for everything, it's childish.

Trump will pass by in 3 years, if he doesn't die from such old age in the meantime...

Name one thing Trump is blame for, but as nothing to do about.

[TheMagicPotato]

Never liked Trump. Never did. He reminded me of Hugo Chavez, and, as a Venezuelan, I didn't want a Hugo Chavez in USA.

But, he won. And, well, now, we must face the consequences. (Although, America was very hosed. I mean... It was either Trump or Clinton, and in my humble opinion: Neither of them were actually good candidates.)

[Snowfox]

Trump well he is obviously shining beacon of light for humanity. He is savior of men. Prophet of modern times. And if he doesnt know exactly something gods man Pence is with him.
I was told all of this in church. Amen

[Gvanni]

The Muslim ban is just a racist policy that doesn't stop terrorism and are just making things worst, just like the border wall. As for the decline of ISIS its more the doing of Obama than Trump.



Name one thing Trump is blame for, but as nothing to do about.

i'll just list a few...
discerning tensions with foreign countries,
provoking missile-happy countries
societal division of american people
America's even worse general reputation.. who the hell wants a loud mouth 70 year old that is know to make sexist and racist remarks as the leader of the free world?


people have made full-blown essays and I'm sure even a book on the wrong-doings of Trump and what he is to blame for, if you want more do your research, I can assure you it isn't hard.

[Dmaxd123]

i will say one of the interesting things that a lot of people are ignoring:

Trump isn't the greatest person for the job, but the fact that he is willing to say whats on his mind and is a bit of a wild card is nice and is what got him elected.

before he was elected we had ships getting buzzed by russia... if it happened today would the orders be to shoot down the plane? who knows! it would be well within our rights to do so but no one has yet to step up to figure out where Trump/Mattis are drawing the "line" between leave us alone and we'll respond with force

I think the MagicPotato really hit the nail on the head... there were 2 options and America really didn't have a good option in either candidate. some voted on who they thought would do the best job some voted against the person they absolutely didn't want to see in office

[mattsmith48]

Never liked Trump. Never did. He reminded me of Hugo Chavez, and, as a Venezuelan, I didn't want a Hugo Chavez in USA.

But, he won. And, well, now, we must face the consequences. (Although, America was very hosed. I mean... It was either Trump or Clinton, and in my humble opinion: Neither of them were actually good candidates.)

I don't know about you, but most people wouldn't call getting the 2nd most votes winning. He was elected, there is a difference.

i'll just list a few...
discerning tensions with foreign countries,
provoking missile-happy countries

I'm guessing were talking about North Korea here? He didn't start it, but he certainly made it worst.

societal division of american people

Again didn't started it, but made it worst than it was.

America's even worse general reputation.. who the hell wants a loud mouth 70 year old that is know to make sexist and racist remarks as the leader of the free world?

Vladimir Putin, Neo-Nazis and KKK members, or as Trump call them fine people.

i will say one of the interesting things that a lot of people are ignoring:

Trump isn't the greatest person for the job, but the fact that he is willing to say whats on his mind and is a bit of a wild card is nice and is what got him elected.

before he was elected we had ships getting buzzed by russia... if it happened today would the orders be to shoot down the plane? who knows! it would be well within our rights to do so but no one has yet to step up to figure out where Trump/Mattis are drawing the "line" between leave us alone and we'll respond with force

I think the MagicPotato really hit the nail on the head... there were 2 options and America really didn't have a good option in either candidate. some voted on who they thought would do the best job some voted against the person they absolutely didn't want to see in office

You said it yourself Trump isn't the greatest person for the job, hes actually pretty terrible at it. Clinton was qualified for the job, people didn't like her for various reasons, but would have been much better, a lot less funny, but much better at the job than President Stable-Genius. She would have been just another normal centre-right leader, and if you didn't knew that at the time of the election you were either in denial or incredibly biased. Sure her policies were mostly terrible and her plan was simply to continue what Obama was doing instead of trying to change things and make it better for the population. Come on people comparing the two is comparing apples and orange.

[PlasmaHam]

I don't know about you, but most people wouldn't call getting the 2nd most votes winning. He was elected, there is a difference.

You don't want to know how idiotic and conspiratorial that statement sounds. Most people also realize that the popular vote isn't what you win on. The electoral vote is what you win on. That's like saying that the Super Bowl should be decided by the number of field goals, instead of the actual score.

But I guess concepts like basic understanding of US government doesn't really equate when your priorities are arresting people for "misgendering" transgenders and getting extra string for your Trump/Russia conspiracy pin-board.

[Merk]

I gotta say, this is a really split conversation... But there are some not to polarizing responses here, props to you guys :)

From the beginning, the Dems hated so hard on him.. I didn't think it could get worse... It did.. lol did you guys see his state of the union address? Almost nobody on the left half of the audience clapped.. some literally say on their hands. I couldn't help but laugh at it... Seriously, if Democrats want to be taken seriously in any conversation, don't be so polarized, be open to a real discussion, and don't treat everything that is against your current belief as an attack... (It's happened to me and others so many times... Sorry...) same goes for us Republicans as well, but I really just have barely seen it.. but I'm not y'all.

Anyway, Trump had done a lot of good so far, he's done only a couple of small things I don't completely agree with, but it's a hell of a lot better than the other options... especially that new Kennedy.. he was literally drooling while talking after Trump's speech...

I feel a little better now...
My point is, president Trump has done a lot of good so far, and I really like that he's not an extreme politician, while his words may hurt some people, they are direct, if he has a point, he gets to it, he doesn't walk in a circle around it and never get to it.

Yeah that's all I have to say for now, I'm tired and need sleep.... Thanks for reading :p

Just saying...
As a republican, I love how at the end of the day, After all these years of identity and inequality politics by the Dems, they pick a white dude from one of the most privileged families in America to do the response....
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Lol

[Max the Disenchanter]

he's evil

[Dmaxd123]

. Sure her policies were mostly terrible and her plan was simply to continue what Obama was doing instead of trying to change things and make it better for the population. Come on people comparing the two is comparing apples and orange.


you hit the nail on the head as to why she lost: terrible policies and no plans on changing

Trump at least had the guts to say "this is what I want" he knows it and the American people know that Trump can't make good on his promises as he is just one part of the government but at least he was/is wanting to help the general population

[lliam]

If that's so, presidential elections and such should in general be called GoP, Game of Hypocrites.

[Sword of the morning]

I was never a huge Trump fan to begin with but he was better then Hillary. I think that the media is way yo critical on him manly because there democrats. I think it's good to be critical on your party and the opposition but this is way to far. I think Trump was not the worst they could have found being more of a Ted Cruz fan but he was not the worst we could have done.

[PlasmaHam]

I gotta say, this is a really split conversation... But there are some not to polarizing responses here, props to you guys :)

From the beginning, the Dems hated so hard on him.. I didn't think it could get worse... It did.. lol did you guys see his state of the union address? Almost nobody on the left half of the audience clapped.. some literally say on their hands. I couldn't help but laugh at it... Seriously, if Democrats want to be taken seriously in any conversation, don't be so polarized, be open to a real discussion, and don't treat everything that is against your current belief as an attack... (It's happened to me and others so many times... Sorry...) same goes for us Republicans as well, but I really just have barely seen it.. but I'm not y'all.

One good thing to come out of Trump is exposing the far-left extremism in Congress. Taking the SOTU address, polls after the speech showed that over 40% of Democrats approved of the speech, yet almost every Democrat in Congress refused to stand for Trump during his speech, even when he was talking about things that have been historically bipartisan, like low unemployment, booming economy, defeating ISIS, and good ole American patriotism. I don't know what the Dem's were planning with their childish resistance to Trump, but it backfired big time.


My point is, president Trump has done a lot of good so far, and I really like that he's not an extreme politician, while his words may hurt some people, they are direct, if he has a point, he gets to it, he doesn't walk in a circle around it and never get to it.
Trump's mouth is both a good thing and a bad thing. Like you said, a lot of people see it as proof he is a man of action, not caring about the tip-toeing and constant appeasement you see with other politicians. A lot of the negative reaction to his words are really due to people taking them way too seriously, or attempting to frame them as proof that he is somehow part of some vast anti-American conspiracy. Of course, there are also times where he sounds like a fool, but I guess that is just Trump.

Just saying...
As a republican, I love how at the end of the day, After all these years of identity and inequality politics by the Dems, they pick a white dude from one of the most privileged families in America to do the response....
Lol My exact thoughts :D.

[Spooky_Eli]

One good thing to come out of Trump is exposing the far-left extremism in Congress. Taking the SOTU address, polls after the speech showed that over 40% of Democrats approved of the speech, yet almost every Democrat in Congress refused to stand for Trump during his speech, even when he was talking about things that have been historically bipartisan, like low unemployment, booming economy, defeating ISIS, and good ole American patriotism. I don't know what the Dem's were planning with their childish resistance to Trump, but it backfired big time.


Trump's mouth is both a good thing and a bad thing. Like you said, a lot of people see it as proof he is a man of action, not caring about the tip-toeing and constant appeasement you see with other politicians. A lot of the negative reaction to his words are really due to people taking them way too seriously, or attempting to frame them as proof that he is somehow part of some vast anti-American conspiracy. Of course, there are also times where he sounds like a fool, but I guess that is just Trump.

Lol My exact thoughts :D.

this guy, how does he do it?, teach me how to be diplomatic like you!

[mattsmith48]

You don't want to know how idiotic and conspiratorial that statement sounds. Most people also realize that the popular vote isn't what you win on. The electoral vote is what you win on. That's like saying that the Super Bowl should be decided by the number of field goals, instead of the actual score.

If believing the result of an election should reflect what the people voted for is idiotic, call me an idiot.

But I guess concepts like basic understanding of US government doesn't really equate when your priorities are arresting people for "misgendering" transgenders and getting extra string for your Trump/Russia conspiracy pin-board.

You spend more time talking about the Trump collusion with Russia than the people who believe he did it.

I gotta say, this is a really split conversation... But there are some not to polarizing responses here, props to you guys :)

From the beginning, the Dems hated so hard on him.. I didn't think it could get worse... It did.. lol did you guys see his state of the union address? Almost nobody on the left half of the audience clapped.. some literally say on their hands. I couldn't help but laugh at it... Seriously, if Democrats want to be taken seriously in any conversation, don't be so polarized, be open to a real discussion, and don't treat everything that is against your current belief as an attack... (It's happened to me and others so many times... Sorry...) same goes for us Republicans as well, but I really just have barely seen it.. but I'm not y'all.

Complaining about the Democrats not applauding during Trump's state of the union address without mentioning the Republicans were doing the same thing when Obama was president is kinda hypocritical.

Anyway, Trump had done a lot of good so far, he's done only a couple of small things I don't completely agree with, but it's a hell of a lot better than the other options... especially that new Kennedy.. he was literally drooling while talking after Trump's speech...

Tell us, what as he done good?

you hit the nail on the head as to why she lost: terrible policies and no plans on changing

Not the only reason, but certainly one of the main ones.

Trump at least had the guts to say "this is what I want" he knows it and the American people know that Trump can't make good on his promises as he is just one part of the government but at least he was/is wanting to help the general population

Everyone knew he was lying, and electing him was the equivalent to giving your pin number to a Nigerian prince, but youre right he was telling the people what they wanted to ear.

I was never a huge Trump fan to begin with but he was better then Hillary.

I'm not trying to restart that debate, but really?

I think that the media is way yo critical on him manly because there democrats. I think it's good to be critical on your party and the opposition but this is way to far. I think Trump was not the worst they could have found being more of a Ted Cruz fan but he was not the worst we could have done.

Most of the critics of Trump from the media is justified, sure they are some rare times where it wasn't, but in general it is. It has nothing to do with political believes, Trump is just shit at his job.

One good thing to come out of Trump is exposing the far-left extremism in Congress. Taking the SOTU address, polls after the speech showed that over 40% of Democrats approved of the speech, yet almost every Democrat in Congress refused to stand for Trump during his speech, even when he was talking about things that have been historically bipartisan, like low unemployment, booming economy, defeating ISIS, and good ole American patriotism. I don't know what the Dem's were planning with their childish resistance to Trump, but it backfired big time.

Your president is openly trying to obstruct justice in the investigation for him obstructing justice, but that's a controversy, what were they also baking wedding cakes to gay people? Like I said earlier Republicans use to do the same thing to Obama, or did that didn't count because back then the president was black?

Finally, far-left extremism? You can't criticize people for ''not knowing how your government works'' when you don't even know who is in said government.

[Spooky_Eli]

If believing the result of an election should reflect what the people voted for is idiotic, call me an idiot.



You spend more time talking about the Trump collusion with Russia than the people who believe he did it.



Complaining about the Democrats not applauding during Trump's state of the union address without mentioning the Republicans were doing the same thing when Obama was president is kinda hypocritical.



Tell us, what as he done good?



Not the only reason, but certainly one of the main ones.



Everyone knew he was lying, and electing him was the equivalent to giving your pin number to a Nigerian prince, but youre right he was telling the people what they wanted to ear.



I'm not trying to restart that debate, but really?



Most of the critics of Trump from the media is justified, sure they are some rare times where it wasn't, but in general it is. It has nothing to do with political believes, Trump is just shit at his job.



Your president is openly trying to obstruct justice in the investigation for him obstructing justice, but that's a controversy, what were they also baking wedding cakes to gay people? Like I said earlier Republicans use to do the same thing to Obama, or did that didn't count because back then the president was black?

Finally, far-left extremism? You can't criticize people for ''not knowing how your government works'' when you don't even know who is in said government.

i could make fun of you., but i'm too tired, all i'll say is that hypocrisy does not invalidate someones argument.

[mattsmith48]

i could make fun of you., but i'm too tired, all i'll say is that hypocrisy does not invalidate someones argument.

I am not saying their argument is right or wrong I'm just saying it is hypocritical to not mention their people did it too.

[Spooky_Eli]

I am not saying their argument is right or wrong I'm just saying it is hypocritical to not mention their people did it too.

fair enough.

[Snowfox]

Trump has done many good this and is about to do many more. Like building of that wall.
So far wall is about funding or lack of it. But I have perfect solution to that.

[Spooky_Eli]

Trump has done many good this and is about to do many more. Like building of that wall.
So far wall is about funding or lack of it. But I have perfect solution to that.

do tell (the proto-tipes look peaty good)

[Snowfox]

Here you go swedeam

-Wall lottery. people buy lottery tickets to win some money and profits go to building wall.
-Fullautomatic gun lottery. Trump could try to reopen fullauto gun registry so that after lets say pretty salty fee you can register new full auto gun. and that money would go to wall.
Last but not least: Bubble gum
This bubblegum idea works as follow.... There would be bubble gum sold all over usa this special Trumpgum if you buy it lets say 20% of price goes to building that wall. inside of gumpack there is some collecting picture.

[Spooky_Eli]

Here you go swedeam

-Wall lottery. people buy lottery tickets to win some money and profits go to building wall.
-Fullautomatic gun lottery. Trump could try to reopen fullauto gun registry so that after lets say pretty salty fee you can register new full auto gun. and that money would go to wall.
Last but not least: Bubble gum
This bubblegum idea works as follow.... There would be bubble gum sold all over usa this special Trumpgum if you buy it lets say 20% of price goes to building that wall. inside of gumpack there is some collecting picture.

omg it's like the beast dream i never had, great idea:)

[Snowfox]

I wonder if mattsmith48 agrees with me and u or not. Usually he disagrees just out of principle.

[Spooky_Eli]

I wonder if mattsmith48 agrees with me and u or not. Usually he disagrees just out of principle.

i doubt he agrees, he seems pretty liberal

[PlasmaHam]

If believing the result of an election should reflect what the people voted for is idiotic, call me an idiot.

This has nothing to do with your belief that the electoral college should be dismissed. You have repeatedly insisted that Trump did not win the election. Not that Trump shouldn't have won the election, but that he didn't actually win the election. That is idiotic.

You spend more time talking about the Trump collusion with Russia than the people who believe he did it....

You really need to look in the mirror before saying something like that.


Complaining about the Democrats not applauding during Trump's state of the union address without mentioning the Republicans were doing the same thing when Obama was president is kinda hypocritical.Not anywhere near the same degree, which is what really matters here. Insisting that Republicans not cheering on Obama for everything he said during his SOTU address is the same as Democrats refusing to stand for Trump during his speech even when he was discussing bipartisan issues, and even turning their back on him when he walked down the aisle, that is simply a false comparison.

Your president is openly trying to obstruct justice in the investigation for him obstructing justice, but that's a controversy, what were they also baking wedding cakes to gay people? Like I said earlier Republicans use to do the same thing to Obama, or did that didn't count because back then the president was black?Lol bringing race into this, typical leftist. Anyhow, your post makes little sense in terms of context and grammar (I wish I could say that wasn't typical for you) but the whole "Trump is openly obstructing justice" claims are unbacked, and in reality there is debate from all sides regarding this case. This is an issue that deserves more time than what I have, and honestly I doubt you'll care much about it.


Finally, far-left extremism? You can't criticize people for ''not knowing how your government works'' when you don't even know who is in said government.:hmm:

This is why I've been much less active in ROTW recently. I try to have a civil conversation regarding Trump, you bring up false comparisons, irrelevant topics, pot-shots, and your provide almost no backing to your own claims, while nitpicking mine.

Before I answer your question about why I think many of the Congressional Democrats are far-left (which is honestly off-topic given this is about Trump), I want you to admit publicly that Trump did win the election. You can't expect an honest conversation if one side repeatedly refuses to acknowledge even the most basic fact. So admit it, Trump won the election, Clinton lost the election, and admit that the election is won via electoral college votes, not the popular vote. Then I may feel like gracing you with my response.

I wonder if @mattsmith48 (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=101901) agrees with me and u or not. Usually he disagrees just out of principle.
MattSmith will disagree with anything if Trump also supports it. Just like the Dem's at the SOTU, I doubt he would acknowledge Trump even if he signed a law prohibited the drowning of puppies. He'll probably just start accusing Trump of being "catist" because he didn't include kittens in the law. :rolleyes:

[ShineintheDark]

Politics, a lot like this forum, has become far too tribalistic on this issue. Is Trump the best president of all time? No. Is he Satan incarnate? Also no. I didn't like him in the primaries, didn't like him in the main race and didn't like him in his first year; I have made no attempts to hide that. However, I can also recognise that he has successfully carried out SOME of the things he promised his base (attempts to repeal and replace Obamacare, the tax reform bill) and is trying his best to implement things that have not yet been done (border wall etc). Do I agree with any of those policies? No. But he has indeed promised them and attempted to carry them out with a degree of success in some rather than others. In that regard, I would neither call him effective nor ineffective as president, simply severely under-qualified for this position and very difficult to work with (said buy both sides of Congress) and I severely doubt that the border wall will ever be a reality. That said, I don't think he's nearly as useless or ineffectual as many try and claim. He's a 70 year old business tycoon, he knows a fair amount.

[mattsmith48]

Trump has done many good this and is about to do many more. Like building of that wall.
So far wall is about funding or lack of it. But I have perfect solution to that.

Here you go swedeam

-Wall lottery. people buy lottery tickets to win some money and profits go to building wall.
-Fullautomatic gun lottery. Trump could try to reopen fullauto gun registry so that after lets say pretty salty fee you can register new full auto gun. and that money would go to wall.
Last but not least: Bubble gum
This bubblegum idea works as follow.... There would be bubble gum sold all over usa this special Trumpgum if you buy it lets say 20% of price goes to building that wall. inside of gumpack there is some collecting picture.

No one wants to pay for a useless wall, lets trick them into paying for it.

This has nothing to do with your belief that the electoral college should be dismissed. You have repeatedly insisted that Trump did not win the election. Not that Trump shouldn't have won the election, but that he didn't actually win the election. That is idiotic.

He was elected on technicality.

You really need to look in the mirror before saying something like that.

Why? In my rare mention of collusion I always said, while Trump's action are very suspicious there is no evidence Trump personally colluded with Russia.

Not anywhere near the same degree, which is what really matters here. Insisting that Republicans not cheering on Obama for everything he said during his SOTU address is the same as Democrats refusing to stand for Trump during his speech even when he was discussing bipartisan issues, and even turning their back on him when he walked down the aisle, that is simply a false comparison.

Lol bringing race into this, typical leftist. Anyhow, your post makes little sense in terms of context and grammar (I wish I could say that wasn't typical for you) but the whole "Trump is openly obstructing justice" claims are unbacked, and in reality there is debate from all sides regarding this case. This is an issue that deserves more time than what I have, and honestly I doubt you'll care much about it.

Why should they be standing and why is that a controversy?


Before I answer your question about why I think many of the Congressional Democrats are far-left (which is honestly off-topic given this is about Trump)

It is someone what on-topic since the extreme Centrism and moderate conservatism in the Democratic party one of the main reason Trump was elected.

I want you to admit publicly that Trump did win the election. You can't expect an honest conversation if one side repeatedly refuses to acknowledge even the most basic fact. So admit it, Trump won the election, Clinton lost the election, and admit that the election is won via electoral college votes, not the popular vote. Then I may feel like gracing you with my response.

He didn't win, he was elected on a technicality, it is similar to when I refer as our federal government here in Canada as a false majority.

MattSmith will disagree with anything if Trump also supports it.

That's not true, I praised Trump's decision on agreeing with Russia on a cease fire in Syria or when he took the US out of the TPP almost killing the whole thing. I may not agree on method of negotiation of NAFTA, but he was right when he said its a bad deal and the negotiations have brought up issues with trade deals the general population may not have known about otherwise.

I've always said when he does something good it is important to point it out and give him credit for it, its like when a politician you support does something bad, you have to criticize and call him out on it, no matter who that politician is.

Just like the Dem's at the SOTU, I doubt he would acknowledge Trump even if he signed a law prohibited the drowning of puppies. He'll probably just start accusing Trump of being "catist" because he didn't include kittens in the law. :rolleyes:

There is already a law prohibiting that, its called animal cruelty and it is a serious crime.

[Spooky_Eli]

There is already a law prohibiting that, its called animal cruelty and it is a serious crime.

get a sense of hummer.

[Merk]

:D :D there is some good stuff here... Lots of long multi-quote responses as well, this forum is awesome xD

I am now officially pro-catist now... JK
;)

[Snowfox]

And I am pro Trumpgum

[mattsmith48]

And I am pro Trumpgum

Knowing Trump's business history, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being recycled gum pick up on side walks by undocumented immigrants.

[Spooky_Eli]

Knowing Trump's business history, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being recycled gum pick up on side walks by undocumented immigrants.

Snowfox, and thay say we're the mad ones

[mattsmith48]

Snowfox, and thay say we're the mad ones

Come on you know I'm joking, Trump doesn't know what recycling is.

[ska8er]

I'm not a fan of his But if the media and some people
would leave him alone and let him do his job maybe
something can get done instead of all the stalemates.
Yeah he is like a grenade with a loose pin and he seems
to get his foot in his mouth a lot but hes the President.

[mattsmith48]

I'm not a fan of his But if the media and some people
would leave him alone and let him do his job maybe
something can get done instead of all the stalemates.
Yeah he is like a grenade with a loose pin and he seems
to get his foot in his mouth a lot but hes the President.

Problem is you can't leave him alone, he need that attention and will do anything to get that attention, that's why he tries to makes everything about him.

[Spooky_Eli]

Problem is you can't leave him alone, he need that attention and will do anything to get that attention, that's why he tries to makes everything about him.
nonsense.

[mattsmith48]

nonsense.

How so?

[hayley2003]

why i kinda find interesting is that at school the people that like him are the jerks and a-hole guys. they think he is cool because he calls people names and tweets lies. they know trump lies, and like it that he makes up stuff.

[mattsmith48]

why i kinda find interesting is that at school the people that like him are the jerks and a-hole guys. they think he is cool because he calls people names and tweets lies. they know trump lies, and like it that he makes up stuff.

Because he’s exactly like them?

[Spooky_Eli]

How so?
the media are the only ones who make everything about him.

[mattsmith48]

the media are the only ones who make everything about him.

The media is only reporting what he does, hes the one doing those things to bring attention to himself, its fine to criticize the media for over covering it, but they are all things he did and because his job it is impossible for the media to avoid talking about all the stupid shit he does.

[Spooky_Eli]

The media is only reporting what he does, hes the one doing those things to bring attention to himself, its fine to criticize the media for over covering it, but they are all things he did and because his job it is impossible for the media to avoid talking about all the stupid shit he does.
the media makes up half the "stupid shit" he does.

[mattsmith48]

the media makes up half the "stupid shit" he does.

Like what?

[Spooky_Eli]

Like what?
that time he"made fun of a disabled reporter" for start

[mattsmith48]

that time he"made fun of a disabled reporter" for start

This?

biTLe4qNykY

[Spooky_Eli]

This?

biTLe4qNykYtrump has been seen making those same impersonations of meny other people in the past. he was not making fun of the reporters disability.

[Dalcourt]

trump has been seen making those same impersonations of meny other people in the past. he was not making fun of the reporters disability.

And this makes the situation better and him a better person?
He makes immature impersonations of other people not only once but on many occasions and therefore he is a good president? And media who feels one should not act like that in public is evil?
I'm sorry but I cannot follow the logic of this argument.

[Spooky_Eli]

And this makes the situation better and him a better person?
He makes immature impersonations of other people not only once but on many occasions and therefore he is a good president? And media who feels one should not act like that in public is evil?
I'm sorry but I cannot follow the logic of this argument.
the argument is not that he is a good president but that the media makes stuff up about him.

[Dalcourt]

the argument is not that he is a good president but that the media makes stuff up about him.

Still don't understand. You said yourself he makes fun of numerous people like that and he was being film doing it so how is it made up?

[Spooky_Eli]

Still don't understand. You said yourself he makes fun of numerous people like that and he was being film doing it so how is it made up?
thay said he made fun of the person's disability he did not, he has used the expression to describe people with out disabilitys,

[Dalcourt]

thay said he made fun of the person's disability he did not, he has used the expression to describe people with out disabilitys,

Why would he do that and how do you know? You had been personally present at this speech?
I have honestly no interest in arguing with you or any other Trump supporter...since as I said the logic of their arguments goes beyond anything my mind can grasp.
It's just sad.

[Spooky_Eli]

Why would he do that and how do you know? You had been personally present at this speech?
I have honestly no interest in arguing with you or any other Trump supporter...since as I said the logic of their arguments goes beyond anything my mind can grasp.
It's just sad.
because it's on camera, and i mean no disrespect but i feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall.

[mattsmith48]

swedeam Trump doing it before doesn't mean anything the important part here is he did it while impersonating the reporter, the media was right to criticize him for it.

because it's on camera, and i mean no disrespect but i feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall.

We have footage of him doing it thats pretty good evidence, its like the people trying to argue he didn't obstruct justice when he confessed obstruction of justice on live TV.

[Spooky_Eli]

@swedeam (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=131168) Trump doing it before doesn't mean anything the important part here is he did it while impersonating the reporter, the media was right to criticize him for it.



We have footage of him doing it thats pretty good evidence, its like the people trying to argue he didn't obstruct justice when he confessed obstruction of justice on live TV.
omg, i give up, it's clear nether of us is ever going to give ground on this issue.

[mattsmith48]

omg, i give up, it's clear nether of us is ever going to give ground on this issue.

First it’s not an issue, second I’m right, why would I give ground on something I am right on. Either you find another example to support your claim or you admit you were wrong.

[Spooky_Eli]

First it’s not an issue, second I’m right, why would I give ground on something I am right on. Either you find another example to support your claim or you admit you were wrong.
i already proved my example.

[PlasmaHam]

Still don't understand. You said yourself he makes fun of numerous people like that and he was being film doing it so how is it made up?

The point of Swedeam's post is that the media is making up stuff and blowing things out of proportions with Donald Trump. In this case referring to how the media was accusing Trump of mocking a disabled person's condition, where it was clearly just Trump's typical style of speaking. Whether or not that is becoming of a president is another discussion, but don't try to twist this around. I really hate it when VT veterans over-scrutinize and pick-a-part a newbie's post. That's why ROTW has such a stigma around it. Just be considerate, respectful of people with differing opinions, and focusing upon what the person actually says and argues, instead of what you want to twist him into saying.

[Dalcourt]

The point of Swedeam's post is that the media is making up stuff and blowing things out of proportions with Donald Trump. In this case referring to how the media was accusing Trump of mocking a disabled person's condition, where it was clearly just Trump's typical style of speaking. Whether or not that is becoming of a president is another discussion, but don't try to twist this around. I really hate it when VT veterans over-scrutinize and pick-a-part a newbie's post. That's why ROTW has such a stigma around it. Just be considerate, respectful of people with differing opinions, and focusing upon what the person actually says and argues, instead of what you want to twist him into saying.


This clearly isn't how Trump always speaks...I had the pleasure of seeing Trump live already...it was mocking and impersonating.
Sure media might blow things out of proportion...media is used for propaganda on both sides...so Trump and his opponents all use the media to portrait each other in a bad light.
However swedeam used a rather bad example here to prove Trump's innocence and I simply don't understand what he wants to prove to me with it. I'm sorry I'm not as intelligent as you.

As a person of such public interest like the President of the US I feel you have to be a little more careful about what you say and do with a mic and camera on you almost 24/7.
Trump has yet to learn that and as long as he is not able to do this...he will be a horrible president and human being in my eyes and no conservative argument or propaganda will be able to change my opinion.

[ChaseDakoda]

For his State Of The Union Address, the part where he said "Americans are DREAMERS too" that was great. The Mexican dreamers have had all there life to become US CITIZENS, they are good people, but why do we have to keep them if they don't want to be US CITIZENS?? IF I WANT SOMETHING BAD ENOUGH I WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT. NOT THE DREAMERS, they expect a free ride. Trump is good except his tweeting.

[mattsmith48]

i already proved my example.

Like Dalcourt said, its a weak example that doesn't prove anything.

For his State Of The Union Address, the part where he said "Americans are DREAMERS too" that was great. The Mexican dreamers have had all there life to become US CITIZENS, they are good people, but why do we have to keep them if they don't want to be US CITIZENS?? IF I WANT SOMETHING BAD ENOUGH I WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET IT. NOT THE DREAMERS, they expect a free ride. Trump is good except his tweeting.

First that's kinda insensitive and a little racist.

Secondly, can those people even become citizens? Do they even know they are undocumented? You can't go on a rant like that without asking yourself some important questions.

[ChaseDakoda]

Oh by the way.

AM I SAFE AT SCHOOL TODAY PRESIDENT TRUMP?

Like Dalcourt said, its a weak example that doesn't prove anything.



First that's kinda insensitive and a little racist.

Secondly, can those people even become citizens? Do they even know they are undocumented? You can't go on a rant like that without asking yourself some important questions.


How can you say thst? It was OBAMA THST GAVE THAT FREE TICKET TO MAKE DREAMERS LAW, I was I think in 9th grade. Trump will not allow this to happen anymore. He has balls, if they wanna stay speak English and get your American Citizenship.

AMERICANS ARE DREAMERS TOI.

Posts merged. Use the edit button next time. ~Mars

[mattsmith48]

How can you say thst? It was OBAMA THST GAVE THAT FREE TICKET TO MAKE DREAMERS LAW, I was I think in 9th grade. Trump will not allow this to happen anymore. He has balls, if they wanna stay speak English and get your American Citizenship.

AMERICANS ARE DREAMERS TOI.

Do you have any evidence of that?

[ChaseDakoda]

Ya Google Obama, and dreamers, look what they don't have to do to be US CITIZENS.

Anyone living in USA should be a Us Citizen.

[mattsmith48]

Ya Google Obama, and dreamers, look what they don't have to do to be US CITIZENS.

That's not how a debate work, you are the ones making those claims its your job to show evidence to support it, otherwise all I can do is call bullshit on your claims.

Anyone living in USA should be a Us Citizen.

So just give them citizenship, they certainly lived there long enough, and its not like they chose to be undocumented immigrants.

[Spooky_Eli]

So just give them citizenship, they certainly lived there long enough, and its not like they chose to be undocumented immigrants.
thay should get up off there asses and do there selves.

[mattsmith48]

thay should get up off there asses and do there selves.

But can they? Are they eligible to go and get citizenship like any other legal immigrants?

[Spooky_Eli]

But can they? Are they eligible to go and get citizenship like any other legal immigrants? the dreamers? hell yeah, thay just have to go back to Mexico for a bit

[ChaseDakoda]

That's not how a debate work, you are the ones making those claims its your job to show evidence to support it, otherwise all I can do is call bullshit on your claims.



So just give them citizenship, they certainly lived there long enough, and its not like they chose to be undocumented immigrants.

, America gives them and enough. Don't you think they should get off their asses and apply and do something for yourself instead of America giving everything to them come on dude get a brain think of what you're saying I understand where you're coming from but they can go and apply for citizenship they can do that if they can't then ship them back

[mattsmith48]

the dreamers? hell yeah, thay just have to go back to Mexico for a bit

So no?

, America gives them and enough. Don't you think they should get off their asses and apply and do something for yourself instead of America giving everything to them come on dude get a brain think of what you're saying I understand where you're coming from but they can go and apply for citizenship they can do that if they can't then ship them back

I think its cruel to send them to a country they don't know and for some don't even remember living in, just for the excuse that they were born there and their parents brought them into the US illegally.

[Spooky_Eli]

So no?
are you thick?

[Dalcourt]

, America gives them and enough. Don't you think they should get off their asses and apply and do something for yourself instead of America giving everything to them come on dude get a brain think of what you're saying I understand where you're coming from but they can go and apply for citizenship they can do that if they can't then ship them back

Could you please explain how the application for the US citizenship for a dreamer works according to our laws. I know some people in this situation and they describe it as rather difficult, so maybe they just do it wrong.
However you make it sound so very easy, therefore I guess an explanation on how it works could be really helpful.

[ChaseDakoda]

www.uscitizenship.info/articles/index.html%3Fp=4304Could you please explain how the application for the US citizenship for a dreamer works according to our laws. I know some people in this situation and they describe it as rather difficult, so maybe they just do it wrong.
However you make it sound so very easy, therefore I guess an explanation on how it works could be really helpful.

[ChaseDakoda]

www.uscitizenship.info/articles/index.html%3Fp=4304.h

[ChaseDakoda]

Google it, I did but the link dint work sonehow

[Dalcourt]

Google it, I did but the link dint work sonehow

Google it isn't an appropriate answer in a discussion thread. I asked for an explanation since you said it was all so easy so I would kindly ask you to provide one.
I'm quite sure those "dreamers" that go to my school have done the googling thing already.

[ChaseDakoda]

Look I can't get the URL to work OK? If a Mexican what should become AUS citizen so badd they will do whatever it takes to become one the minimum time to become a citizen of the United States is 2 years that I do know for sure so if they've been raised since they've been 5 years old and now they're 21 don't you think they've had enough time to become a United States citizen? I mean it wasn't like until what to use ical Obama said that they're dreamers now so they had 2 years for sure to do something and they haven't done ship so yeah they need to go back all of them

[Dalcourt]

Look I can't get the URL to work OK? If a Mexican what should become AUS citizen so badd they will do whatever it takes to become one the minimum time to become a citizen of the United States is 2 years that I do know for sure so if they've been raised since they've been 5 years old and now they're 21 don't you think they've had enough time to become a United States citizen? I mean it wasn't like until what to use ical Obama said that they're dreamers now so they had 2 years for sure to do something and they haven't done ship so yeah they need to go back all of them

Well I don't think it's all that easy or else people wouldn't be discussing this problem so much.
I don't think that people who want to permanently live here would be too lazy to go to the authorities to fetch a piece of paper.

But well I don't understand a great deal of Trump's politics and why people are so fond of it.

At least I don't have to think about the immigration part since my family has been in the US way before Mr. Trump's ancestors set foot on this country.

[ChaseDakoda]

Why do we have to learn Spanish in school? Mexicans should learn English. That way they won't get shot by cops, they don't speak English, I mean if I lived in Mexico I would learn Spanish. But i don't thank God live in Mexico so English just fits me fine.

[mattsmith48]

Why do we have to learn Spanish in school? Mexicans should learn English. That way they won't get shot by cops, they don't speak English, I mean if I lived in Mexico I would learn Spanish. But i don't thank God live in Mexico so English just fits me fine.

Because it is a useful skill to know multiple languages, and considering your location could be helpful when it will come to getting a job.

[lliam]

Speaking at least 3 languages lets you easy adjust in the culture of other countries, even if you don't speak a certain language of a certain country quite well.

In addition, it expands your options for research on the Internet.

[ChaseDakoda]

I speak English as my first language and German as my second. I was born in Fra Buford Germsnyvtill I was 6, my dad's military. I am studying Russian a little, but never Mexicanese

[Spooky_Eli]

I speak English as my first language and German as my second. I was born in Fra Buford Germsnyvtill I was 6, my dad's military. I am studying Russian a little, but never Mexicaneseyou meaN SPANISH... LOL

[ShineintheDark]

Why do we have to learn Spanish in school? Mexicans should learn English. That way they won't get shot by cops, they don't speak English, I mean if I lived in Mexico I would learn Spanish. But i don't thank God live in Mexico so English just fits me fine.

Learning a foreign language is pretty much a must these days, especially since Mexico is your direct neighbor. Whether you work in trade, medicine, scientific research, teaching or many other fields, you are very likely to at least once come into contact with someone who speaks Spanish as their primary language, even if they speak decent English on the side. In that situation, Spanish becomes essential when conveying ideas or properly translating. In addition to that, Spanish is one of the most widely-spoken languages in the world, whether trade with Spain itself, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Honduras, Colombia or many other nations it becomes essential to know that language. It's exactly the same here in the UK with French. Considering France is a mere 20 miles across the channel and one of our primary trade partners it'd be mad not to know at least a basic level of the language.

[breaux]

I'm sorry that americans have such a president.

[Falcons_11]

Today DOJ Assistant AG Rob Rosenstein said in a press conference that no Americans were involved with the Russians to influence the presidential election of 2016. He went on to indict several Russian individuals and organizations. Is this an exoneration of President Trump and other Republicans operatives of collusion and obstruction of justice? If this be the case, does this mean that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of President Trump and others is a red herring? Maybe Trump is a victim rather than a conspirator.

[mattsmith48]

Today DOJ Assistant AG Rob Rosenstein said in a press conference that no Americans were involved with the Russians to influence the presidential election of 2016. He went on to indict several Russian individuals and organizations. Is this an exoneration of President Trump and other Republicans operatives of collusion and obstruction of justice? If this be the case, does this mean that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of President Trump and others is a red herring? Maybe Trump is a victim rather than a conspirator.

From what I understand, these indictments are only related to the fake accounts made to try to influence voters in the few states where votes are actually worth something. It as nothing to do with the potential sharing of information between Russian officials and the Trump campaign or any possible collusion. As for obstruction of justice, it doesn't matter the important part is the crime not the reason he committed the crime.

[Uniquemind]

My thoughts are I could do his job better than he is. why?

1. I read.

2. I've been privately studying philosophy and economics and civics since I was 11.

3. I know human nature pretty well.

4. And I know why there is gridlock in Congress.

[ChaseDakoda]

My opinion!
Uniquemind has a point.

But the Russia involvement in election took away us kids get shot in school. I don't give a crap if the election was rigged.
Save us kids of USA

[mattsmith48]

My opinion!
Uniquemind has a point.

But the Russia involvement in election took away us kids get shot in school. I don't give a crap if the election was rigged.
Save us kids of USA

When your country is under attack thats not really the best reaction to have. You should probably care more about it, and don't forget that President Stable Genius made guns more accessible to people with mental problems.

[ChaseDakoda]

Whatever I say will be wrong.

So, give every student a gun at beginning of school for there safety, then collect them at schools end. Ya, thst would work.

[lliam]

My thoughts are I could do his job better than he is. why?

1. I read.
2. I've been privately studying philosophy and economics and civics since I
was 11.
3. I know human nature pretty well.
4. And I know why there is gridlock in Congress.



According to your posts I read, I guess, you are certainly intellectually able to do the president's job

But can you also lie to your supperters by telling them what they want to hear so that they vote for you, still knowing that you'll never be able to realize up to 3/4 of your promises?

Each candidate needs such and similar skills just in order to be elected as president at all.

And above all, Trumpy managed to have two own shows. The "The President Show" and, moreover, its own cartoon series. "Our Cartoon President ".


Who got his own cartoon series, has made it. That's for sure.

This man deserves to be president. And his supporters and voters, the free and the brave, deserve him.

[Uniquemind]

My opinion!
Uniquemind has a point.

But the Russia involvement in election took away us kids get shot in school. I don't give a crap if the election was rigged.
Save us kids of USA

I appreciate your support in my view however a sign of maturity of a great leader means they understand how one topic connects to another one even though they can be considered separate surface glance.

Look for leaders who show high levels of critical thinking and compassion. Those are the leaders one should seek over sensationalistic marketing campaigns.

Understand the meta moves that are being played here and evaluate all action and inaction and hypothetical action closely. It takes a great chess and gamesman player with good intentions to be a great leader.



What Russia is doing is subtle it isn't an overt display of force, it's actual a form of mental-emotional manipulation upon that of the electorate. People need to be aware and experience feelings, but also not to necessarily be trusting of those feelings, that then shape opinion.


For instance the internet trolling effect, how well do you recognize a con-artist or a disingenuous poster. Are they arguing with you? Or are they only trying to get a rise out of you?


Can you tell the difference? If you can't you've got to take a cautious stance, calm down, return to rational thought rather than defend your ego or pride, and realize you might have been played.


According to your posts I read, I guess, you are certainly intellectually able to do the president's job

But can you also lie to your supperters by telling them what they want to hear so that they vote for you, still knowing that you'll never be able to realize up to 3/4 of your promises?

Each candidate needs such and similar skills just in order to be elected as president at all.

And above all, Trumpy managed to have two own shows. The "The President Show" and, moreover, its own cartoon series. "Our Cartoon President ".


Who got his own cartoon series, has made it. That's for sure.

This man deserves to be president. And his supporters and voters, the free and the brave, deserve him.



I can do these things, for it is no different than to recognize 4 concepts of the human condition and he job of a politician:


1. Appeal to the collective respect opposing view points and force them to look at the epistemology merit of their views PUBLICLY on that bully pulpit.

2. Curate your rhetoric and recognize regional differences.

3. Expect failure on your agenda and recognize better is it to have a fraction of your accomplishments achieved than to remain an average citizen and be cuckholded by a lesser leader who might choose a different path.



It's a similar mental practice to working a retail job, your gonna have people angry at your face for no reason, smile and continue to serve them with compassion, but if you can't please them realize it isn't your fault.


A good source to learn how to be appealing to the masses is to study certain subcultures:

1. Con-artistry
2. Romantic pickup community
3. Sales tactics in business


All require a fancy dance of incentive, emotional manipulation, and sales tactics.


If the best pickup artist makes a woman swoon, but at the end of the day decides he wants to stay with her it becomes a sweet passionate relationship doesn't it?

Yet the same skills turn sour upon that same person reducing the merit of the relationship to mere objectification.


It isn't the skills of manipulation that are bad skills, it's the concept of disingenuous and willingness to deliberately hurt another.



Right now the public probably wants to hear a line of "I care not for my re-election, I care for the people and the work that must be done" that's the populist message now.


And if any candidate can create quotes that are marketable yet have valid criticism of the current administration and can provide detailed and not glossy talking points that sound good....you've got a real good candidate for a leadership position.


---

I'll admit that I'm center left in my political views. Personally I'm fiscally conservative but I am a pragmatists and not an ideologist so I don't have ideals I feel I'm ever betaying if my intent is good.

This is also a guiding principle behind how I manage my friendships and it tends to be why I am attracted to older romantic partners is because I've found younger people don't understand these nuances.


Controversial statement: Trump's campaign slogans had grains of truth to them, that's why they resonated. There DO exist bad minorities who are visible to property owners doing drug deals or human trafficking, and IS a druggie problem, minorities DO commit more violent crime than white collar population and there is a correlation between economic class and what race you are.

So that's why he gets the slower, easy, herd mentality voter.

Those who are thoughtful, and don't go I too tribalism in their voting patterns are in the minority, cuz its hard work to get people to be analytical about issues....we treat politics like it's entertainment and that's dangerous but candidates who know this know both the key to winning and must temper that to make thinking cool again.

Action without thought based on impulse is what got us into Iraq and also into this era where government shutdowns occur every other year.

[ShineintheDark]

My opinion!
Uniquemind has a point.

But the Russia involvement in election took away us kids get shot in school. I don't give a crap if the election was rigged.
Save us kids of USA
I love this logic, whether it comes from Trump or anyone who supports him, that there's legit just a dingle guy working for the FBI that handles collusion AND potential threats within the US. The FBI is an enormous organisation with thousands of workers inside it that cover a variety of different fields. Only a small handful of those workers are actually handling the Trump case. Unlike what President Orange wants you to believe, those kids did NOT die because the FBI were investigating him and I find it disgusting that he would use the deaths of children to push his own ego.

[mattsmith48]

I love this logic, whether it comes from Trump or anyone who supports him, that there's legit just a dingle guy working for the FBI that handles collusion AND potential threats within the US. The FBI is an enormous organisation with thousands of workers inside it that cover a variety of different fields. Only a small handful of those workers are actually handling the Trump case. Unlike what President Orange wants you to believe, those kids did NOT die because the FBI were investigating him and I find it disgusting that he would use the deaths of children to push his own ego.

What do expect from him, this the guy who said ''I accept the congratulation'' for ''predicting'' the Orlando terrorist attack, defended Nazis after the terrorist attack in Charlottesville, talked about his crowd size while visiting Houston after Hurricane Harvey, brought up Puerto Rico' debts during Hurricane Maria and preferred to start feud with the NFL than to send them help. This is just another one on already long list.

[ChaseDakoda]

I love this logic, whether it comes from Trump or anyone who supports him, that there's legit just a dingle guy working for the FBI that handles collusion AND potential threats within the US. The FBI is an enormous organisation with thousands of workers inside it that cover a variety of different fields. Only a small handful of those workers are actually handling the Trump case. Unlike what President Orange wants you to believe, those kids did NOT die because the FBI were investigating him and I find it disgusting that he would use the deaths of children to push his own ego.

Listen are you hear about on the news is Russia Russia Russia. Once the last time you heard about gun control you haven't that's the problem why don't you live in Florida why don't you live in hell like we all do you consider your fat ,,,. You come down of Florida you watch the 1st is drive down the road you watch them carry the caskets to the ground it's not all transport and a know it was trump's fault but you could get your ass down here and see what all of Us are living to in its total hell so that you have anything constructive to say please don't Say anything

[mattsmith48]

Listen are you hear about on the news is Russia Russia Russia.

You are right to criticize the media for talking too much about Russia, but you also got to look and criticize Trump who is bringing up Russia every chance he got, he's the one who is currently using the shooting in Florida to criticize the FBI and the Russia investigation and using it as an excuse for the shooting happening.

[lliam]

reading the last posts above, I tought:

well Trump is becoming more and more likable.

A president for just in case. All cases!

And if it's the case to make him, directly or indirectly, responsible for everything that goes wrong in the whole country.

This is almost a godlike state. I asked myself, which president, except Old Abe, has ever achieved that?


https://picload.org/image/dadrogll/clipimage.jpg

[Uniquemind]

It’s important to note DACA kids are still getting screwed over...don’t forgot the story headlined before Florida news broke.

It wasn’t all about Russia.

And don’t forget Russia story should not be trivialized it is a big deal because it’s going after one of the 3 main philosophical cores of a country’s rights and that’s national sovereignty.

Without that you do have corruption or a banana republic.

[ShineintheDark]

Listen are you hear about on the news is Russia Russia Russia. Once the last time you heard about gun control you haven't that's the problem why don't you live in Florida why don't you live in hell like we all do you consider your fat ,,,. You come down of Florida you watch the 1st is drive down the road you watch them carry the caskets to the ground it's not all transport and a know it was trump's fault but you could get your ass down here and see what all of Us are living to in its total hell so that you have anything constructive to say please don't Say anything

I could have a whole team as large as the FBI looking into whatever you were trying to say and get nothing.

In all seriousness, I assume you're trying to make some point about me not knowing what life is like there. Well, thank god. Wanna know why I don't know? Because the UK was done with mass shootings and got its shit together with major gun reform back in the 90s. I definitely don't like my current government and have opposed many of those which have preceded it but I am happy to say NONE of them had the audacity to use the deaths of children to push their agenda like Trump has. I don't doubt life may be difficult for you and that I don't know what life in Florida may be like but you gotta understand that I'm happy that we sorted this crap decades before you guys.

[ChaseDakoda]

You are right to criticize the media for talking too much about Russia, but you also got to look and criticize Trump who is bringing up Russia every chance he got, he's the one who is currently using the shooting in Florida to criticize the FBI and the Russia investigation and using it as an excuse for the shooting happening.

Well it is true trunk maybe using the Russia ordeal for the school shooting but marco rubio hasn't done crab and when he was on TV he looked like he was on drugs. You can all slam Donald Trump for everything you want to I think he coulda handled it better myself but that's not Donald Trump now like if Baron trump was involved in something like this and he was wounded all you better believe krapp would hit the fan but not one of those people on the committee the Russian committee have even spoken about sympathy or anything gun laws in Florida or the United States. So how can you criticize Donald Trump all the time for every problem we have? Picture Congressman look at the the senators look at the supreme justices they don't do krapp nobody does krapp know maybe our school day should start with I'm handing guns to all the students and in case this happens again we can shoot him ourself and at the end of the day collect the guns I mean maybe that's what we need to do it will never happen but for crying out loud everyone and blames Donald Trump like I said I do a little bit but hes not the problem it's everybody is breathable Russia screw Russia I mean how much have we been involved in their elections that nobody tells you about? I'm sorry for getting mad at everybody what is just then it's not 1 person's fault its the nation's fault is the person that sold the gun it's his fault in a way but the guy got at league also it's not his fault but his shop closed he doesn't even in East not even in business anymore. I mean the FBI dropped the bomb they confess to that why do you always have to blame the president? Yeah it be nice if I were at the funeral for some of the victims lake I believe the obamas were but that's not his style obviously it's not the man and I'm not supporting trump a 100% I'm just telling you you have to look at the whole picture not blame 1 person but there's a lot of people to blame because Congress isn't doing krapp.

[mattsmith48]

Well it is true trunk maybe using the Russia ordeal for the school shooting but marco rubio hasn't done crab and when he was on TV he looked like he was on drugs.

That's Marco Rubio your talking about, the highlight of his career was to start a dick measuring contest during a presidential debate.

You can all slam Donald Trump for everything you want to I think he coulda handled it better myself but that's not Donald Trump now like if Baron trump was involved in something like this and he was wounded all you better believe krapp would hit the fan but not one of those people on the committee the Russian committee have even spoken about sympathy or anything gun laws in Florida or the United States. So how can you criticize Donald Trump all the time for every problem we have? Picture Congressman look at the the senators look at the supreme justices they don't do krapp nobody does krapp know maybe our school day should start with I'm handing guns to all the students and in case this happens again we can shoot him ourself and at the end of the day collect the guns I mean maybe that's what we need to do it will never happen but for crying out loud everyone and blames Donald Trump like I said I do a little bit but hes not the problem it's everybody is breathable Russia screw Russia I mean how much have we been involved in their elections that nobody tells you about? I'm sorry for getting mad at everybody what is just then it's not 1 person's fault its the nation's fault is the person that sold the gun it's his fault in a way but the guy got at league also it's not his fault but his shop closed he doesn't even in East not even in business anymore. I mean the FBI dropped the bomb they confess to that why do you always have to blame the president? Yeah it be nice if I were at the funeral for some of the victims lake I believe the obamas were but that's not his style obviously it's not the man and I'm not supporting trump a 100% I'm just telling you you have to look at the whole picture not blame 1 person but there's a lot of people to blame because Congress isn't doing krapp.

You seem to forget this thread is about Trump not the shooting, its normal to talk about Russia. This was not the first school shooting on Trump's watch and it won't be the last, and its not the last shooting is won't mention guns or do anything about it. The lack of change when it comes to your gun problem is mostly linked to your corruption problem, the problem being its legal which is also the problem with guns.

[Uniquemind]

Well it is true trunk maybe using the Russia ordeal for the school shooting but marco rubio hasn't done crab and when he was on TV he looked like he was on drugs. You can all slam Donald Trump for everything you want to I think he coulda handled it better myself but that's not Donald Trump now like if Baron trump was involved in something like this and he was wounded all you better believe krapp would hit the fan but not one of those people on the committee the Russian committee have even spoken about sympathy or anything gun laws in Florida or the United States. So how can you criticize Donald Trump all the time for every problem we have? Picture Congressman look at the the senators look at the supreme justices they don't do krapp nobody does krapp know maybe our school day should start with I'm handing guns to all the students and in case this happens again we can shoot him ourself and at the end of the day collect the guns I mean maybe that's what we need to do it will never happen but for crying out loud everyone and blames Donald Trump like I said I do a little bit but hes not the problem it's everybody is breathable Russia screw Russia I mean how much have we been involved in their elections that nobody tells you about? I'm sorry for getting mad at everybody what is just then it's not 1 person's fault its the nation's fault is the person that sold the gun it's his fault in a way but the guy got at league also it's not his fault but his shop closed he doesn't even in East not even in business anymore. I mean the FBI dropped the bomb they confess to that why do you always have to blame the president? Yeah it be nice if I were at the funeral for some of the victims lake I believe the obamas were but that's not his style obviously it's not the man and I'm not supporting trump a 100% I'm just telling you you have to look at the whole picture not blame 1 person but there's a lot of people to blame because Congress isn't doing krapp.


I also have to epistemically point out Russia is not a democracy, they don't have free and fair elections they are basically a mob state and any candidate that tries to challenge Putin gets fucked with the following methods:

1. A scandal pops up invalidating that candidate from running in a Russia election.


2. They get jailed.

3. They get bought off an rise to power but remain a puppet

4. They get killed by a method of creative means, and maybe their loved ones too just to make a point.



There isn't any USA counter intelligence need to meddle in Russia's elections...

[Billy1212]

I didnt have a problem with him, until he banned ALL Muslims from the county because he thinks they're all working for ISIS. Then I had a problem with him, i still do

[CoryW]

Every president before him has has a ban on certain countrys.

[mattsmith48]

Every president before him has has a ban on certain countrys.

Based on religion?

[ShineintheDark]

I didnt have a problem with him, until he banned ALL Muslims from the county because he thinks they're all working for ISIS. Then I had a problem with him, i still do It's a little more nuanced that that: he banned all people from several admittedly Muslim-majority nations though you are correct in the assertion that those nations were chosen on mostly religious grounds and curiously did not include states equally linked to terrorist activities that he HAPPENS to have major business interests in (Saudi Arabia). The ban itself is very short sighted as all it will do is prevent those wishing to escape the persecution of the extremist grounds from reaching safety in the US. ISIS isn't stupid, they wouldn't send a fighter directly from Syria or Iraq: they would have sent them to a more friendly country with the US to avoid suspicion, even before the ban came into effect.

[CoryW]

Based on religion?

Muslim is not a religion. Islam is a religion

[mattsmith48]

Muslim is not a religion. Islam is a religion

You are not answering the question.

[Tim the Enchanter]

Everything's under control don't worry, I'm a russian spy haha

[abcdeqwe]

It infuriates me when he calls people that don't agree with him treasonous, that is directly against the fundamentals of democracy. Also, he is just a greedy, narcissistic asshole who really only wants to slap his name on anything, be it real estate, a university, the white house, or a woman's vagina.

[CoryW]

It infuriates me when he calls people that don't agree with him treasonous, that is directly against the fundamentals of democracy. Also, he is just a greedy, narcissistic asshole who really only wants to slap his name on anything, be it real estate, a university, the white house, or a woman's vagina.

That was Obama who said that. I looked it up.

[abcdeqwe]

That was Obama who said that. I looked it up.

who said what?

[CoryW]

I'm only in the ninth grade but I like studying about elections. I like our president a lot. So far he's doing everything he said we would do when he was running .
Every president has flaws everone of them is human. I mean Clinton had sex in his office and Obama wanted to turn America into a Muslim country.

[abcdeqwe]

I'm only in the ninth grade but I like studying about elections. I like our president a lot. So far he's doing everything he said we would do when he was running .
Every president has flaws everone of them is human. I mean Clinton had sex in his office and Obama wanted to turn America into a Muslim country.

Obama's not fucking Muslim, he is a devote protestant and an American. Clinton didn't have sex in his office, he had sex with an employee somewhere not in his office, and him having the affair wasn't the issue it was that he lied about while on trial.
Also, statistics show that on average presidents make false statements 33% of the time while Trump makes false statements 67% of the time.

Also if you are judging the quality of a politician on doing everything the said they would, Trump doesn't match up.
The wall is still not complete and Mexico is NEVER going to pay for it. His ban was originally blocked by official judges because it violated the 14th amendment. (which by the way, he has discussed wanting to remote some causes from, to better discriminate against minorities) He defended neo-nazis, and he has yet to do away with ObamaCare. Also, he is planning on passing an Infrastructure bill, to improve roads, bridges, etc., which I think would have been a good idea, if he didn't decide to lower taxes because now the national debt will go through the roof and it is already too high. Also, his tax system blatantly favors the top 1% which INCLUDES HIMSELF.

He employs three techniques that make people like yourself believe his lies.
1. Delegitimizing the media - Any news publication that disagrees with him, he labels "fake news" and shuts them out of the discussion and many American citizens and even politicians have followed his lead.
2. Whataboutism - During his press conference about the Charlottesville neo-nazi rally, in which a young protester was killed by car driven by one of the neo-nazis, he responded with "there was violence on many sides, many sides", Reporters then accused him of sympathizing with white nationalists and in response he said "what about the alt-left, who came charging at the alt-right"
The heinous act of killing someone with a car should take precedence over any other issue at the time. It is a very dangerous tactic because it implies a sort of moral equivalency to every action no matter how deplorable, and it is insanely effective and is seen in used on news networks like fox news all the time. Anything that the alt-left may have done doesn't excuse the actions of the alt-right.The issue with Whataboutism is that actually doesn't solve an argument it just muddies the water. (THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU DID WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP OBAMA AND CLINTON).
3. Trolling - A lot of things that Trumps says don't even have a point a lot of the time, they are just to cause a reaction and piss off his opponents. He does this on Twitter when he attacks Congress and world leaders for no good reason.

[mattsmith48]

I like our president a lot. So far he's doing everything he said we would do when he was running .

I missed the part during the campaign when he promise if elected he spend most of his days watching TV and start pointless fights on Twitter, you mind reminding me?

Every president has flaws everone of them is human. I mean Clinton had sex in his office

Yeah its not like he had an affair with a porn star and then pay her to not say anything and is now being sued by that same porn star. Oh and don't forget about PussyGate.

and Obama wanted to turn America into a Muslim country.

Of all the things you could criticize Obama for, why do you have to pick a made up one?

Also if you are judging the quality of a politician on doing everything the said they would, Trump doesn't match up.
The wall is still not complete and Mexico is NEVER going to pay for it.

Don't worry, at worst Russia will loan him money. In all seriousness that was the big selling point that Mexico was going to pay for it, his supporters are not gonna like that when they receive the bill.


His ban was originally blocked by official judges because it violated the 14th amendment. (which by the way, he has discussed wanting to remote some causes from, to better discriminate against minorities)

He defended neo-nazis,

You are being unfair to him here, he also defended klansmen and white supremacist.

and he has yet to do away with ObamaCare.

To be fair nobody knew health care was so complicated.

Also, he is planning on passing an Infrastructure bill, to improve roads, bridges, etc., which I think would have been a good idea, if he didn't decide to lower taxes.

And the price of that is gonna get higher because of the trade war he started.

if he didn't decide to lower taxes because now the national debt will go through the roof and it is already too high. Also, his tax system blatantly favors the top 1% which INCLUDES HIMSELF.

What does Donald Trump know about debt its not like he keeps going bankrupt. Also come on Donald Trump doesn't pay taxes.

CoryW what about when he said he was gonna stop the rest of the world from laughing at the US because thats kinda what I did in most of post?

[Zachary G]

I think the man is a fucking clown and he has no political experience whatsoever. Hes getting rid of everyone that doesnt agree with his ways and he is trying his best to skirt around the system and blames everyone else for his failings. I dont like him one bit.

[Tim the Enchanter]

Guys gotta calm down haha

[Dmaxd123]

i'm still laughing that the people that seem the most offended by trump don't even live here


Trump doesn't have THAT much power, the governor of a state actually affects our daily living a lot more than the President

[lliam]

Big D has an opinion on everything, but he hasn't even the hint of a hunch of anything. What makes him a funny guy.

[Dalcourt]

https://image.ibb.co/f3abNx/b1d8a383d54b1412fa37e79ca1f2c0bc.jpg

This pretty much sums it up

[Katie96xox]

Trump <3 <3 <3

MAGA

[mattsmith48]

image (https://image.ibb.co/f3abNx/b1d8a383d54b1412fa37e79ca1f2c0bc.jpg)

This pretty much sums it up

Is this suppose to mean not everyone should become president or that Trump is too much of a child to be president?

Trump <3 <3 <3

MAGA

Wait according to Trump MAGA as already been achieved, or was that another lie?

[lliam]

Wait according to Trump MAGA as already been achieved, or was that another lie?

That wasn't a lie. Trump is a very true believer. Since he believes everything he says, he can't be called a liar. That's the fatal thing in the case of Donald Trump. Faith needs no proof.

[PlasmaHam]

That wasn't a lie. Trump is a very true believer. Since he believes everything he says, he can't be called a liar. That's the fatal thing in the case of Donald Trump. Faith needs no proof.

I'll agree. Most cases of supposed malice on the part of Trump can be chalked up to his tendency to change his opinion and worldview on a dime, but still believe it whole-heartedly.

Of course, some of it just comes from extreme nit-picking on the part of anti-Trumpers. Given the "MAGA already being achieved" thing MattSmith brought up, I assume that is referring to some comment Trump made earlier this month about his 2020 slogan being "Keep America Great!" because MAGA was now achieved. That comment wasn't taken seriously by anyone, because it was clearly just a political slogan. Even Trump didn't take it seriously when he annouced it, just look at the clip, he was clearly just playing with the audience (and possibly stroking his own ego).

[mattsmith48]

That wasn't a lie. Trump is a very true believer. Since he believes everything he says, he can't be called a liar. That's the fatal thing in the case of Donald Trump. Faith needs no proof.
I'll agree. Most cases of supposed malice on the part of Trump can be chalked up to his tendency to change his opinion and worldview on a dime, but still believe it whole-heartedly.

Of course, some of it just comes from extreme nit-picking on the part of anti-Trumpers. Given the "MAGA already being achieved" thing MattSmith brought up, I assume that is referring to some comment Trump made earlier this month about his 2020 slogan being "Keep America Great!" because MAGA was now achieved. That comment wasn't taken seriously by anyone, because it was clearly just a political slogan. Even Trump didn't take it seriously when he annouced it, just look at the clip, he was clearly just playing with the audience (and possibly stroking his own ego).

So just another case of Trump's narcissistic personality disorder, got it.

[Agent X]

I personally like most of the policy Trump has put out there. I think it is reasonable and fair. I appreciate how he went out of party lines to ban bump stocks, a measure that I support. He gets a lot of negative attention from the media, but many of those attacks are unjust and biased. Many people do not like how unconventional he is as a president, but that is one thing I admire about him. The biggest flaw I see is his inability to shut up on Twitter and picking fights with people. He does not always behave professionally, but over all I'm impressed with the job he's done so far.

[CoryW]

I personally like most of the policy Trump has put out there. I think it is reasonable and fair. I appreciate how he went out of party lines to ban bump stocks, a measure that I support. He gets a lot of negative attention from the media, but many of those attacks are unjust and biased. Many people do not like how unconventional he is as a president, but that is one thing I admire about him. The biggest flaw I see is his inability to shut up on Twitter and picking fights with people. He does not always behave professionally, but over all I'm impressed with the job he's done so far.

I agree about Twitter but if he didn't tweet you would not know some of the stuff he's doing.

[West Coast Sheriff]

I voted for him in my first election. While I don't love the job President Trump is doing, and I think congress is a piece of shit and ruining this country, he is doing better than Bush or Barack did. I hope he does well for the benefit of the States.

I wish he would act like a professional since he is the president of the United States but one really can't expect him to change that. He is who he is and an ego like that does not go away. I thought it was hilarious as a candidate but when he won the republican nomination, then it got old.

Make America Great Again meant different things to different voters. It was never realistic. For me, I loved MAGA. to me it meant, let's take pride in our great nation. USA is the best. No country is perfect, we have our problems, but we still are a pretty awesome country. I'm sure it had different meanings to other people.

What I don't care for are the unhealthy sentiments of "He's so great" or even worse "he's the worst." It is just my opinion but people should chill out. It is what it is. He still is the president. Congress is the real problem in the U.S. I still have faith in the great citizens of this nation, and am both hopeful but also skeptical of the future generations.

[Spooky_Eli]

the god emperor has lowered taxes, shipped the aliens out, shown evidence off working on a plan for the WALL, & has tried his damnedest to keep Islam out so im pretty happy with him at the moment.

[mattsmith48]

I personally like most of the policy Trump has put out there. I think it is reasonable and fair. I appreciate how he went out of party lines to ban bump stocks, a measure that I support. He gets a lot of negative attention from the media, but many of those attacks are unjust and biased. Many people do not like how unconventional he is as a president, but that is one thing I admire about him. The biggest flaw I see is his inability to shut up on Twitter and picking fights with people. He does not always behave professionally, but over all I'm impressed with the job he's done so far.

What policy do you like? You say you like his policies but don't mention any.

I agree about Twitter but if he didn't tweet you would not know some of the stuff he's doing.

Because his Tweets help you to know what he's doing?

the god emperor has lowered taxes,
on the rich, causing a raise in taxes to the poor and a raise of the debt
shipped the aliens out
Aliens? Really? What's next capturing Bigfoot?
shown evidence off working on a plan for the WALL
Wall that no one wants to pay for.
has tried his damnedest to keep Islam out
Don't say it that way you just makes him sound like Hitler.

[CoryW]

What policy do you like? You say you like his policies but don't mention any.



Because his Tweets help you to know what he's doing?


on the rich, causing a raise in taxes to the poor and a raise of the debt

Aliens? Really? What's next capturing Bigfoot?

Wall that no one wants to pay for.

Don't say it that way you just makes him sound like Hitler.

Why when someone posts their thoughts that you disagree with. You feel compelled to force your opinions on them.
The thread says "your thoughts on Trump" not put your thought down where someone can bash you!!

[mattsmith48]

Why when someone posts their thoughts that you disagree with. You feel compelled to force your opinions on them.
The thread says "your thoughts on Trump" not put your thought down where someone can bash you!!

Not forcing anything, just asking questions

[CoryW]

Every time someone commented they like him you go off

[mattsmith48]

Every time someone commented they like him you go off

Just trying to find out why.

[PlasmaHam]

I think Trump has done good. Missteps sure, but overall I feel that he has done good for the economy and for America's standing in the world.

And that's just my thoughts. If you feel obsessed to harp on them, then you are just a sad, sad person.

[CoryW]

Just trying to find out why.

Watch FOX news. I try to watch every nite. My dad told me do research before you make an option... I watched CNN and they don't show you proof of what their reporting. If fox says that Mr Trump said something they show a film clip.

[mattsmith48]

Watch FOX news. I try to watch every nite. My dad told me do research before you make an option... I watched CNN and they don't show you proof of what their reporting. If fox says that Mr Trump said something they show a film clip.

I think its great that you try to get news and information from different perspective, but CNN and Fox News are not really the best options out there.

[Dmaxd123]

matt: you keep saying his tax plan ONLY helps the rich and will hurt the poor. I haven't seen that yet, can you show me some links to those articles.

everything i've heard the tax plan sounds 1/2 decent but maybe i'm off base

[ChaseDakoda]

I have read all the posts on the subject and I'd say probably 80% of them are from Americans that aren't really upset with what trump is doing but she got that 1 guy which I will not name is name that goes on and on and I and all he does is bashes trump and hes from Canada go figure

[Dalcourt]

Every time someone commented they like him you go off

And you, as well as other Trump supporter, criticise him for stating his opinion - honestly where is the difference between you guys?

[Croconaw]

I do not think he is qualified at all to be president. I hate him and he needs to be impeached. He is taking away freedom. He wants to abolish the first amendment. What is the freedom in discriminating against people of color, people of a different ethnicity, and LGBTs? It isn’t right that there is so much discrimination by conservatives and Trump supporters. I’m not grouping all conservatives into this category, but let’s be honest here. If someone is against gays, or is racist, they are 99% of the time, conservative.

Not to mention, I almost got punched by a redneck Trump supporter at a country concert because I looked gay. Apparently it didn’t matter if I was girl, because conservative normally don’t have values or respect. I am gay, but that gives him no reason to harrass me. I have not had a good experience with any extreme conservative. It’s always evil looks and mumbling under their breath, because I look gay. Really, it’s not that hard to tell.

I have lost all respect for him and his supporters. It’s ridiculous how he is still in office. Impeach Trump now!!

Trump <3 <3 <3

MAGA
Also, I believe ANY women that support Trump has ZERO self respect. He looks down on them and wants to “grab them by the pussy.”

Please enlighten me how women are not offended by this. I would really love an answer.

Posts merged. Please edit your first post next time. ~Jinglebottom

[lliam]

Please enlighten me how women are not offended by this. I would really love an answer.

To be a woman doesn't necessarily mean you automatically are obliged to feel pissed off by any anti-feministic behavior of any male idiot.

[PlasmaHam]

Also, I believe ANY women that support Trump has ZERO self respect.

So, you are saying that any woman with a differing opinion than yourself has no self-respect nor apparently the wisdom to know what's right for them.

Great job making vast generalizations about what a group wants. We all know that women can't be individuals with individuals beliefs and desires. Any woman who dares an individual belief is clearly just stupid and weak. Mindless group-think is clearly what women need! :rolleyes:

[CoryW]

And you, as well as other Trump supporter, criticise him for stating his opinion - honestly where is the difference between you guys?

I have not said anything against anyone except in defence

[mattsmith48]

matt: you keep saying his tax plan ONLY helps the rich and will hurt the poor. I haven't seen that yet, can you show me some links to those articles.

everything i've heard the tax plan sounds 1/2 decent but maybe i'm off base

I already talked about that on this same thread if you need a reminder just go back and read it.

Also, I believe ANY women that support Trump has ZERO self respect. He looks down on them and wants to “grab them by the pussy.”

Please enlighten me how women are not offended by this. I would really love an answer.

Great question.

To be a woman doesn't necessarily mean you automatically are obliged to feel pissed off by any anti-feministic behavior of any male idiot.

No but they should be pissed off by someone openly bragging about sexually assaulting women.

[Stronk Serb]

The little good things he did are overexaggerated, the bad things he said and did are also overexaggerated. He is not special, in my opinion.

[ShineintheDark]

And that's just my thoughts. If you feel obsessed to harp on them, then you are just a sad, sad person.

2 seconds later:

So, you are saying that any woman with a differing opinion than yourself has no self-respect nor apparently the wisdom to know what's right for them.

Great job making vast generalizations about what a group wants. We all know that women can't be individuals with individuals beliefs and desires. Any woman who dares an individual belief is clearly just stupid and weak. Mindless group-think is clearly what women need! :rolleyes:

No shade, just consistency in arguments helps by a long shot

[Croconaw]

No but they should be pissed off by someone openly bragging about sexually assaulting women.
Basically, this. He thinks he can get away with it because he holds the title of President. He doesn’t deserve at all to be president. He needs to realize that he has to be held to a certain conduct. It’s not even an argument of Democrat or Republican. It’s called being a decent human being and Trump is NOT. Neither are most republicans.

I feel the need to mention I said “MOST,” just to avoid conservatives targeting me.

[Dalcourt]

I have not said anything against anyone except in defence

And so does the other party. That's how having different opinions work, so I don't really see your point in criticising other forum members for it.

Except maybe since this sort of logic is a very Trump-like trait and therefore adopted by his followers, then I get your logic.