What Are Your Thoughts On Trump?

[mattsmith48]

Basically, this. He thinks he can get away with it because he holds the title of President. He doesn’t deserve at all to be president. He needs to realize that he has to be held to a certain conduct. It’s not even an argument of Democrat or Republican. It’s called being a decent human being and Trump is NOT. Neither are most republicans.

I feel the need to mention I said “MOST,” just to avoid conservatives targeting me.

Trump doesn't think he can get away with it because he's president, Trump thinks he can get away with it because he's Donald Trump. And its only pussy grabbing but any of the things shitty and in some cases illegal things he did before becoming President from Trump University to racial discrimination or threatening to kill people.

[Dmaxd123]

Basically, this. He thinks he can get away with it because he holds the title of President. He doesn’t deserve at all to be president. He needs to realize that he has to be held to a certain conduct. It’s not even an argument of Democrat or Republican. It’s called being a decent human being and Trump is NOT. Neither are most republicans.

I feel the need to mention I said “MOST,” just to avoid conservatives targeting me.

if we are going on the decent human being option there were none of them to vote for in the presidential election lol.

both Clinton & Trump are well versed liars and abusers of their power. that was the truly shitty part of the election.

[Stronk Serb]

if we are going on the decent human being option there were none of them to vote for in the presidential election lol.

both Clinton & Trump are well versed liars and abusers of their power. that was the truly shitty part of the election.

This, also people surrounding them during the election campaign are just as bad.

[ChaseDakoda]

Why do ya all think Lying is something New? Yesterday a site was shut down cause the owner of the thread lied. No proud but it was the right thing.
Well i remember the tv show House, I was maybe 12 or 13.
Well the guy from Canada knows a lot (cough, cough) so i got quoted from House.
Enjoy
Everybody lies." First said: [#101], later this is referred to in almost every episode and also has the following corollaries:
"I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do." [#107]
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what." [#121]
"Truth begins in lies." First said: [#101]
"I've found that when you want to know the truth about someone that someone is probably the last person you should ask." [#105]
"You want to know how two chemicals interact, do you ask them? No, they're going to lie through their lying little chemical teeth. Throw them in a beaker and apply heat." [#113]

This applies TO EVERYBODY.

[PlasmaHam]

Why do ya all think Lying is something New? Yesterday a site was shut down cause the owner of the thread lied. No proud but it was the right thing.
Well i remember the tv show House, I was maybe 12 or 13.
Well the guy from Canada knows a lot (cough, cough) so i got quoted from House.
Enjoy
Everybody lies." First said: [#101], later this is referred to in almost every episode and also has the following corollaries:
"I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do." [#107]
"It's a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. The only variable is about what." [#121]
"Truth begins in lies." First said: [#101]
"I've found that when you want to know the truth about someone that someone is probably the last person you should ask." [#105]
"You want to know how two chemicals interact, do you ask them? No, they're going to lie through their lying little chemical teeth. Throw them in a beaker and apply heat." [#113]

This applies TO EVERYBODY.

Sure, but you really can't say that everyone lies, therefore it is perfectly fine for the people I like to do it. I know there are plenty of users here, including some mods, that use similar form of arguments, but it's regardless rather weak.

I think the real important thing here is the importance of the lies, and the nature behind them. Just given that our resident Ragin Canadian is fussing about Trump "lying" when he joked that he already made America great, it's not hard to see the petty and unimportant nature of Trump lies and the Lefts obsession with them.

[ChaseDakoda]

Sure, but you really can't say that everyone lies, therefore it is perfectly fine for the people I like to do it. I know there are plenty of users here, including some mods, that use similar form of arguments, but it's regardless rather weak.

I think the real important thing here is the importance of the lies, and the nature behind them. Just given that our resident Ragin Canadian is fussing about Trump "lying" when he joked that he already made America great, it's not hard to see the petty and unimportant nature of Trump lies and the Lefts obsession with them.

You are right, I was trying to lighten up some humor in hete.

[mattsmith48]

Well the guy from Canada knows a lot

I'll take that as a compliment.

if we are going on the decent human being option there were none of them to vote for in the presidential election lol.

both Clinton & Trump are well versed liars and abusers of their power. that was the truly shitty part of the election.

Like ChaseDakoda said everyone lies the important part when it comes to politician is how frequently and about what they lied. Someone posted that Trump lies about 67% of the time compared to about 33% for most politicians, I know 67 seems low for him, the point being that with Trump and lying is how often he does it and on what he lies about.

[ChaseDakoda]

And your King or Queen don't lie, or hasnt got cought?

[Dmaxd123]

I'll take that as a compliment.



Like ChaseDakoda said everyone lies the important part when it comes to politician is how frequently and about what they lied. Someone posted that Trump lies about 67% of the time compared to about 33% for most politicians, I know 67 seems low for him, the point being that with Trump and lying is how often he does it and on what he lies about.

what i was saying was someone was saying how terrible trump is... Hillary was actually a lot worse of an option.

was Trump the best choice out of all of the original runners? nope but of the finalists I think he was the better choice.


another bright side of trump: he fires people and leaves them, they will be free to go do what their employment is done for him.

if Hillary wants someone fired they are more likely to have a "mishap"

[mattsmith48]

what i was saying was someone was saying how terrible trump is... Hillary was actually a lot worse of an option.

was Trump the best choice out of all of the original runners? nope but of the finalists I think he was the better choice.

Why do feel the need to keep bringing up Clinton to justify Trump? When Obama was president and he was bombing weddings in the middle east and trying to give people health care you didn't see people saying sure Obama is a terrible president, but at least we dodge that bullet called Mitt Romney. I don't remember earing it or seeing it. I don't remember people trying to justify him by bringing up Mitt Romney in the same way you and others use Hillary Clinton to justify their support of President Stable Genius. So I ask again why do you feel the need to constantly bring her up to justify your support of Trump?

Oh btw your better choice was Jill Stein, but your electoral system is rigged to only allow the candidate from the two major party to have a shot at winning and only a few thousand votes that are actually worth anything. Which is why you were left with a choice between a conservative woman and Vladimir Putin, just a joke I actually meant a mentally unstable pussy grabber.

another bright side of trump: he fires people and leaves them, they will be free to go do what their employment is done for him.

if Hillary wants someone fired they are more likely to have a "mishap"

What is this suppose to mean?

[ShineintheDark]

And your King or Queen don't lie, or hasnt got cought? Actually both Canada and the UK have parliamentary systems with little influence of the monarchy but I'll let it slide since worshiping your head of state is what usually slides in the US.

[Dmaxd123]

Why do feel the need to keep bringing up Clinton to justify Trump? When Obama was president and he was bombing weddings in the middle east and trying to give people health care you didn't see people saying sure Obama is a terrible president, but at least we dodge that bullet called Mitt Romney. I don't remember earing it or seeing it. I don't remember people trying to justify him by bringing up Mitt Romney in the same way you and others use Hillary Clinton to justify their support of President Stable Genius. So I ask again why do you feel the need to constantly bring her up to justify your support of Trump?

Oh btw your better choice was Jill Stein, but your electoral system is rigged to only allow the candidate from the two major party to have a shot at winning and only a few thousand votes that are actually worth anything. Which is why you were left with a choice between a conservative woman and Vladimir Putin, just a joke I actually meant a mentally unstable pussy grabber.



What is this suppose to mean?


I bring up clinton to remind people that it could have been worse. Clinton is also a mental case, she is just a career politician that is also a mental case.

Trump was elected because although he's mentally not the best for the job people decided that it was time to try something new.

as to my comment about trump firing vs clinton's people' having "mishaps" just like half of what is said about trump is a rumor, the rumor surrounding Clinton is you mess up and you end up in a pine box.



all in all i'm still holding firm that Trump himself really hasn't done anything great nor terrible yet. he likes to stay in the lime light but still doesn't have as much affect on an individual's daily lives as the state government

[mattsmith48]

I bring up Clinton to remind people that it could have been worse. Clinton is also a mental case, she is just a career politician that is also a mental case.

Clinton is a mental case? How? and more importantly if shes a mental case what you call Trump clinically insane?

People know what Clinton would've been, a small shift to the right of what Obama was. Now depending on your political believes that might not be the best option, but two years after the election if you still need to bring her up when no one else is talking about her, its not to remind people of what could've happen, its to justify your support of Trump. If people were talking about her saying she would be a lot better then what is happening rightnow then it would different. But now it just looks like you are justifying your support of Trump.

Trump was elected because although he's mentally not the best for the job people decided that it was time to try something new.

I understand your desire to try something new, looking at the last 40 years your best president was Obama which says a lot and explain well why so many people wanted something new which is why Bernie Sanders also had a lot of support with the small difference that Bernie actually had a plan.

all in all i'm still holding firm that Trump himself really hasn't done anything great nor terrible yet. he likes to stay in the lime light but still doesn't have as much affect on an individual's daily lives as the state government

Tell that to the people who are having a wall built in the middle of their house or land, or to the people getting poisoned because of his cuts in environmental regulation, or the people Trump tries to kill by taking their health care away, or the people affected by his trade war.

[Stronk Serb]

Well, regarding what he did recently in Syria and how he is escalating the situation and how Israelvis getting involved, I think the Middle East will become a hotbed for WW3, all thanks to Trump. If world war breaks out, you have people like Trump and Putin to thank when you get drafted.

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[mattsmith48]

Well, regarding what he did recently in Syria and how he is escalating the situation and how Israelvis getting involved, I think the Middle East will become a hotbed for WW3, all thanks to Trump. If world war breaks out, you have people like Trump and Putin to thank when you get drafted.

I’m not gonna say I told you so, because it would a little inappropriate under the circonstances, but I did say something like this would happen if Trump was elected. First the sanctions against Russia and now this, Trump as to be careful here we all know how Putin treats people who betrayed him. No but seriously this is when you hope the rumours are true about Trump and Russia and Putin will talk him out of doing anything.

Continuing on the subject of Russia, I got a question for Trump supporters, what happens when he fires Muller? Are you gonna keep supporting him? Are you gonna call him out on it? And is it an impeachable offense?

[Spooky_Eli]

muller is a nuisance a worst, i don' care if trump fires him, in fact i want him to.

& no it's not a goddamn impeachable offense.

[Chrisbm]

He’s a good person, but he’s a bad president

[Stronk Serb]

I’m not gonna say I told you so, because it would a little inappropriate under the circonstances, but I did say something like this would happen if Trump was elected. First the sanctions against Russia and now this, Trump as to be careful here we all know how Putin treats people who betrayed him. No but seriously this is when you hope the rumours are true about Trump and Russia and Putin will talk him out of doing anything.

Continuing on the subject of Russia, I got a question for Trump supporters, what happens when he fires Muller? Are you gonna keep supporting him? Are you gonna call him out on it? And is it an impeachable offense?

Well, he went off his campaign promises to pull out of the Middle East. I do not care what he does inside the US, but what he does in foreign relations... I mean Kim played it cooler than Trump and that says things.

He’s a good person, but he’s a bad president

I doubt the first and know the second.

[lliam]

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[ShineintheDark]

muller is a nuisance a worst, i don' care if trump fires him, in fact i want him to.

& no it's not a goddamn impeachable offense.

Not directly, no. However, it would be the second FBI official that has looked into his campaign that he has directly fired FOR looking into his campaign. Sessions managed to prevent anything major from occurring with the first but even Trump knows that, if he is to repeat his actions and fire Mueller too then there is no way of defending himself from accusations of Obstruction of Justice by both Democrats and Republicans that may then lead onto an impeachment trial. Is it illegal to fire Mueller? No. Is it a very questionable decision if he wants to continue as president without looking extremely guilty? Yes.

[Dmaxd123]

Not directly, no. However, it would be the second FBI official that has looked into his campaign that he has directly fired FOR looking into his campaign. Sessions managed to prevent anything major from occurring with the first but even Trump knows that, if he is to repeat his actions and fire Mueller too then there is no way of defending himself from accusations of Obstruction of Justice by both Democrats and Republicans that may then lead onto an impeachment trial. Is it illegal to fire Mueller? No. Is it a very questionable decision if he wants to continue as president without looking extremely guilty? Yes.

i think Mueller needs to double down and get this investigation done in the next 3-4months if nothing comes of it then Trump can fire him without looking bad

[PlasmaHam]

I can certainly understand the implications of firing Mueller. If Hillary was president and there was a special counsel and investigation into her mishandling of classified info, then I certainly would not be in favor of her firing them. However, at a certain point investigations into political figures can often become partisan fodder. That is after all the argument liberals had over the Clinton email case, that it was just being used as a political attack on Clinton to hurt her chances in the election rather than an actual search for the truth.

Given the nature of the investigation, that Trump is not a target in the investigation and that nearly a year in and nothing significant pertaining to the core investigation has been found, I will be fine if Trump fires Mueller sometime in the future. I think currently is too soon, but in another 5-6 months, if nothing comes up, firing the special counsel would appear to me as an appropriate action. Of course Dems would be outraged since their whole focus on the midterm elections is Trump impeachment (which is enough to tell you that the Dems aren't in this just to determine the truth), but they'll live.

What always amuses me is how liberals like to harp on how stupid and inept Trump is whenever he posts something on Twitter or says something he probably shouldn't have, but then assert that Trump is capable of orchestrating a grand international collusion scheme to rig the election in his favor and then hide it from US Federal agencies so well that over a year of investigations nothing has been found. Its hard to believe that a "dumb tangerine" is capable of a scheme that would make a Bond villain blush in shame.

[mattsmith48]

i think Mueller needs to double down and get this investigation done in the next 3-4months if nothing comes of it then Trump can fire him without looking bad

Muller needs to take his time and make sure he do his job correctly because of the severity of the accusations and what it could mean for the president if hes guilty. To be fair the investigation as been picking up some speed since the first indictment a few months ago.

I can certainly understand the implications of firing Mueller. If Hillary was president and there was a special counsel and investigation into her mishandling of classified info, then I certainly would not be in favor of her firing them. However, at a certain point investigations into political figures can often become partisan fodder. That is after all the argument liberals had over the Clinton email case, that it was just being used as a political attack on Clinton to hurt her chances in the election rather than an actual search for the truth.

Given the nature of the investigation, that Trump is not a target in the investigation and that nearly a year in and nothing significant pertaining to the core investigation has been found, I will be fine if Trump fires Mueller sometime in the future. I think currently is too soon, but in another 5-6 months, if nothing comes up, firing the special counsel would appear to me as an appropriate action. Of course Dems would be outraged since their whole focus on the midterm elections is Trump impeachment (which is enough to tell you that the Dems aren't in this just to determine the truth), but they'll live.

The difference with the Clinton emails is that no indictment came out of it, for the Muller investigation they are indictments from it to people related to the Trump campaign, including one of his former campaign managers.

What always amuses me is how liberals like to harp on how stupid and inept Trump is whenever he posts something on Twitter or says something he probably shouldn't have, but then assert that Trump is capable of orchestrating a grand international collusion scheme to rig the election in his favor and then hide it from US Federal agencies so well that over a year of investigations nothing has been found. Its hard to believe that a "dumb tangerine" is capable of a scheme that would make a Bond villain blush in shame.

Vladimir Putin was the one orchestrating this thing if Trump was involved in anyway it would be because of his stupidity and how easily he can be manipulated. As for hiding it from the FBI and other agencies, this is the guy who admitted obstruction of justice on live TV were talking about.

[Stronk Serb]

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The Cyrillic text is in Serbian. It means "Do not mess around or I will break your cunt". Best interpretation is "Do not mess around or I will kick your ass".

[mattsmith48]

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The Cyrillic text is in Serbian. It means "Do not mess around or I will break your cunt". Best interpretation is "Do not mess around or I will kick your ass".

Well that pretty much sums up what Putin usually do with people who betrayed him.