JFK Conspiracy.

[Sweeney05]

What are your thoughts on went down with the Kennedy assassination? Do you really think it was just Oswald?

[Anthony17]

There is much speculation on who really killed President Kennedy. I don't think anyone disputes that it was Oswald who pulled the trigger. But whether who had him do it, the KGB? CIA? Some think it is the CIA and military, because earlier before his death, President Kennedy had rejected a plan to create a string of false flag operations on US soil, which would allow them to blame it on Cuba thus allowing them to legally invade. This, coupled with the uneasy relationship between Kennedy and that bloc, is why some people think they had him killed.

As for my opinion, I'm not sure. I like to think it doesn't matter anymore.

[mattsmith48]

Like with Hitler people just cannot accept that someone as powerful as JFK can be so easily killed by a lone shooter. The conspiracy theories are mostly build on quotes taken out of context and mishandling off the situation by US officials.

Next week's debate was the Moon landing faked to cover up the real shape of the Earth.

[Anthony17]

Like with Hitler people just cannot accept that someone as powerful as JFK can be so easily killed by a lone shooter. The conspiracy theories are mostly build on quotes taken out of context and mishandling off the situation by US officials.

Next week's debate was the Moon landing faked to cover up the real shape of the Earth.

Ha..

[PlasmaHam]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some KGB backing for Oswald, but the evidence isn't there to really say. I seriously doubt that the CIA was behind it though. Seems far too implausible, and the motives for such a move are rather thin.

[NewLeafsFan]

Like with Hitler people just cannot accept that someone as powerful as JFK can be so easily killed by a lone shooter. The conspiracy theories are mostly build on quotes taken out of context and mishandling off the situation by US officials.

Next week's debate was the Moon landing faked to cover up the real shape of the Earth.

The moon landing is a separate issue so out of respect to the poster I won't mention it as I wish to stay on topic.

If you watch the video of the assassination, two security guard with him mysteriously leave there positions behind Kennedy just about a min before he was shot. The one motions for the other to leave and he looks surprised. Watch it on youtube. I guess all of you folks that believe that everything in history was documented perfectly without any cover ups just assume that the security leaving was just some wild coincidence?

[Sweeney05]

The moon landing is a separate issue so out of respect to the poster I won't mention it as I wish to stay on topic.

If you watch the video of the assassination, two security guard with him mysteriously leave there positions behind Kennedy just about a min before he was shot. The one motions for the other to leave and he looks surprised. Watch it on youtube. I guess all of you folks that believe that everything in history was documented perfectly without any cover ups just assume that the security leaving was just some wild coincidence?

Agreed. When you look at all the facts of what happened that day, its hard to believe the official report of what happened.

[mattsmith48]

The moon landing is a separate issue so out of respect to the poster I won't mention it as I wish to stay on topic.

If you watch the video of the assassination, two security guard with him mysteriously leave there positions behind Kennedy just about a min before he was shot. The one motions for the other to leave and he looks surprised. Watch it on youtube. I guess all of you folks that believe that everything in history was documented perfectly without any cover ups just assume that the security leaving was just some wild coincidence?

Because picking small parts out of context like this and using them to show a conspiracy without having any real evidence. Having two guards leaving and the president being under-protected doesn't prove anything other than incompetence from the secret service. Do we know why they left? Did anyone ever ask them? What was their answer? You can't prove anything by just take few points out of context and put them together. You need go point by point and ask questions, do research and see for your self if it is related to anything or if it is just a coincidence or in this case incompetence.

Oh and btw the moon landing thing was a sarcasm aimed at all the conspiracy thread that were started lately and that this conspiracy was mention in the Hitler thread, mostly by me as comparison, and it lead to this thread is created.

[lliam]

https://picload.org/image/ddccplor/saint-trump.jpg


http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/28/politics/trump-jfk-files-full-release/index.html

[PlasmaHam]

Because picking small parts out of context like this and using them to show a conspiracy without having any real evidence. Having two guards leaving and the president being under-protected doesn't prove anything other than incompetence from the secret service. Do we know why they left? Did anyone ever ask them? What was their answer? You can't prove anything by just take few points out of context and put them together. You need go point by point and ask questions, do research and see for your self if it is related to anything or if it is just a coincidence or in this case incompetence.
Using the same logic, you can't prove there wasn't something more behind the scenes. Sure, there is lacking evidence that there was an organization behind the JFK assassination, but that doesn't mean that you are a crazy person for considering it may have happened. If you start obsessing over it, creating extremely implausible connections and wanting to silent those who disagree with you, then yes you may be crazy. But simply having respectable discourse over such things is not only fine, but actually should be encouraged. After all, historical and scientific discoveries are rarely found by dogmatically following the status quo, but instead found by challenging it.

To put in a way you can understand, I believe that your beliefs that Trump colluded with Russia and is also mentally ill, are conspiracy theories. There is lacking evidence for both, and the second has been outright dismissed by the Obama-appointed White House doctor. I don't think either have enough backing to support any official investigation, but I don't think you are a crazy man for believing such either. You simply have a differing opinion on uncertain events. I honestly don't understand how you can be so dismissive of "conspiracy theories" and those who believe them, when you yourself have presented so many of them.

image (https://picload.org/image/ddccplor/saint-trump.jpg)


http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/28/politics/trump-jfk-files-full-release/index.html

The CIA actually forced Trump to hold back a large percentage of those files. Apparently there was still plenty of "sensitive information" that they needed to sort through. What we got in 2017 was really the tip of the iceberg, it will be interesting to see what will be revealed when the CIA finishes their sorting by the April deadline Trump made.

[JiggaGoat]

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[lliam]

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[NewLeafsFan]

Because picking small parts out of context like this and using them to show a conspiracy without having any real evidence. Having two guards leaving and the president being under-protected doesn't prove anything other than incompetence from the secret service. Do we know why they left? Did anyone ever ask them? What was their answer? You can't prove anything by just take few points out of context and put them together. You need go point by point and ask questions, do research and see for your self if it is related to anything or if it is just a coincidence or in this case incompetence.

Oh and btw the moon landing thing was a sarcasm aimed at all the conspiracy thread that were started lately and that this conspiracy was mention in the Hitler thread, mostly by me as comparison, and it lead to this thread is created.

If they were never asked why they left, then that is more evidence of it being a conspiracy.

[mattsmith48]

Using the same logic, you can't prove there wasn't something more behind the scenes. Sure, there is lacking evidence that there was an organization behind the JFK assassination, but that doesn't mean that you are a crazy person for considering it may have happened. If you start obsessing over it, creating extremely implausible connections and wanting to silent those who disagree with you, then yes you may be crazy. But simply having respectable discourse over such things is not only fine, but actually should be encouraged. After all, historical and scientific discoveries are rarely found by dogmatically following the status quo, but instead found by challenging it.

To put in a way you can understand, I believe that your beliefs that Trump colluded with Russia and is also mentally ill, are conspiracy theories. There is lacking evidence for both, and the second has been outright dismissed by the Obama-appointed White House doctor. I don't think either have enough backing to support any official investigation, but I don't think you are a crazy man for believing such either. You simply have a differing opinion on uncertain events. I honestly don't understand how you can be so dismissive of "conspiracy theories" and those who believe them, when you yourself have presented so many of them.

You can't prove a negative, you can only disprove the claim. I never said people who believe in conspiracies is crazy, stupid and delusional would be more appropriate.

As for Trump mental state and the Russia investigation both those things are not related to this, if you want me to answer them start a new thread or PM me. You should already know what I'll answer you anyway.

The CIA actually forced Trump to hold back a large percentage of those files. Apparently there was still plenty of "sensitive information" that they needed to sort through. What we got in 2017 was really the tip of the iceberg, it will be interesting to see what will be revealed when the CIA finishes their sorting by the April deadline Trump made.

I though the part they didn't release was because it involved people that are still alive.

If they were never asked why they left, then that is more evidence of it being a conspiracy.

No it doesn't prove anything. If they were never asked about it and no evidence to explain it we can only speculate, unless they are still alive today and we could ask them now. Anyway if they were part of a conspiracy to kill JFK and didn't want anyone to know there was a conspiracy, wouldn't you make sure they stayed close to the president, so no one suspect anything.

[NewLeafsFan]

[QUOTE=No it doesn't prove anything. If they were never asked about it and no evidence to explain it we can only speculate, unless they are still alive today and we could ask them now. Anyway if they were part of a conspiracy to kill JFK and didn't want anyone to know there was a conspiracy, wouldn't you make sure they stayed close to the president, so no one suspect anything.[/QUOTE]

I think that you will at least agree that this raises suspicion even if it does not prove anything.

[Sweeney05]

I think that you will at least agree that this raises suspicion even if it does not prove anything.

You're it doesn't prove anything. But if you really look into it, it doesn't just raise the suspicion a little bit, it raises it to the point that really makes the alarm bells go off. More than enough suspicion that should've made the FBI and CIA look into it further. Because if that was all the information on the surface, for the world to see, if they just dug a bit further they would've found more evidence. Even if it was just more evidence proving Oswald was a lone mad man and all other theories are just that. Theories. At least it would've put an end to all the speculation. But the fact that they barely even investigated is suspicious in and of itself.

[NewLeafsFan]

You're it doesn't prove anything. But if you really look into it, it doesn't just raise the suspicion a little bit, it raises it to the point that really makes the alarm bells go off. More than enough suspicion that should've made the FBI and CIA look into it further. Because if that was all the information on the surface, for the world to see, if they just dug a bit further they would've found more evidence. Even if it was just more evidence proving Oswald was a lone mad man and all other theories are just that. Theories. At least it would've put an end to all the speculation. But the fact that they barely even investigated is suspicious in and of itself.

Exactly. For me, because it wasn't looked into raises suspicions of some inside involvement. Again, doesn't prove anything but raises a ton of suspicion. I'm pretty sure that in the Ontario school history curriculum insists that there was more people than Oswald involved.

[JiggaGoat]

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[JiggaGoat]

That was lliam

[boy05]

There is much speculation on who really killed President Kennedy. I don't think anyone disputes that it was Oswald who pulled the trigger. But whether who had him do it, the KGB? CIA? Some think it is the CIA and military, because earlier before his death, President Kennedy had rejected a plan to create a string of false flag operations on US soil, which would allow them to blame it on Cuba thus allowing them to legally invade. This, coupled with the uneasy relationship between Kennedy and that bloc, is why some people think they had him killed.

As for my opinion, I'm not sure. I like to think it doesn't matter anymore.

I think you are right, it was just Oswald, but who knows why he did it.

[jamie_n5]

I have been so into the JFK assassination since I was like 10. I have read and watched almost everything and anrything about that that I can find. I have seen where they have reconstructed and tested many theories. They have proven that without a doubt that the shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository and that Oswald fired the shots. Also on how the bullet that exploded Kennedy's head was from the front and fired from the depository too. The only questions that are unanswered are if Oswald had any connections with anyone or was hired to do the job. Also between the Secret Service totally destroying the crime scene by trying to wash things in the limo and putting the top on and not just securing the car to a safe place to be forensically examined and totally botching one of the most important autopsies in history by not having a forensic medical examiner do the autopsy is totally unbelievable. Even in 1963 there were much better ways to do things. So thus because it was and is so unbelievable that a single man could kill our president is what lead to all the conspiracies. They had no where close to the security that they do today and so many open opportunities to shoot a president and the fact that the president even today needs to and wants to be open to the people they serve makes it almost impossible to totally protect the president. We will never know what Oswald was thinking cause of Jack Ruby taking him out. Things might have been so different if he was able to talk.

[Tim the Enchanter]

Spooky haha

[Kiki03]

My step dad says that if Oswald did it why didnt he act like all the other assasins who bragged about it and didnt deny it. He said the way he acted didnt make sense.

[Spooky_Eli]

the CIA coerced Oswald in to doing it.

[mattsmith48]

My step dad says that if Oswald did it why didnt he act like all the other assasins who bragged about it and didnt deny it. He said the way he acted didnt make sense.

What do you want him to do go on live national TV and confess his crime, this is a murderer not the President of the US.

the CIA coerced Oswald in to doing it.

There is even less evidence of that then they are evidence of the Russian are the ones who got Oswald to do it, and there is already no evidence for that

[Spooky_Eli]

What do you want him to do go on live national TV and confess his crime, this is a murderer not the President of the US.



There is even less evidence of that then they are evidence of the Russian are the ones who got Oswald to do it, and there is already no evidence for that
a: thats why its a conspiracy (taps head patronizingly)

b:i never said the Russians did it, stay on point

[mattsmith48]

a: thats why its a conspiracy (taps head patronizingly)

b:i never said the Russians did it, stay on point

I brought up the Russians because other people believe it as a comparison to your claim that it was the CIA

[Spooky_Eli]

I brought up the Russians because other people believe it as a comparison to your claim that it was the CIA
the CIA wanted to keep profiting from the Vietnam war and jfk wanted out of the war so the CIA had him killed

[mattsmith48]

the CIA wanted to keep profiting from the Vietnam war and jfk wanted out of the war so the CIA had him killed

And I said they are no evidence of that

[Spooky_Eli]

And I said they are no evidence of that
thats why its a conspiracy theory