Events in the Ukraine are we looking at a prelude to WW?

[Zenos]

I have been following the events going on in the Ukraine,and all the posturing happing because of it and am wondering do you think we are seeing the prelude to a third world war?



I think the events in the Ukraine will blow up into a Civil war and just like the Spanish Civil war of 17 July 1936 to 1 April 1939 ,other nations will be drawn into it, and it'll probably be a precursor to a 3rd World War like the Spanish civil war was a precursor to WW2.
The USA is bound by treaty to aid the Ukraine,and if we along with any other nations funnel troops and supplies/support into the Ukraine for either side it will escalate things to the point of a 3rd World War!

[sqishy]

It can take the press of that red button from either Russia or the US, it could happen, but we know politics to be an intricate game that you can't really win at for long, whether a spectator to predict or a leader to rule.

[Miserabilia]

I do not think it will be a third world war, because nobody is looking for one.
The first two world wars aren't just escelated small conflicts, they are because alot of countries still had vandettas from previous wars.
Unless germany is upto something again...

*just kidding, germany :P *

[Stronk Serb]

Well, I better gat an AK-47, a crap ton of army rations, a helmet, body armour, a gas mask, some anti-radiation stuff, a ton of 7.62x39 bullets, a knife and a Dragunov. I need to do this fast before the nukes start flying. Seriously now, nobody wants an all-out war, but if it comes to that, we must be ready. With whoever Serbia sides, it's going to be a sealed pact, if we lose, we are going to be like post-war Germany. I will be ready to defend my homeland. I can legally get mobilised in April.

[ksdnfkfr]

Well, I better gat an AK-47, a crap ton of army rations, a helmet, body armour, a gas mask, some anti-radiation stuff, a ton of 7.62x39 bullets, a knife and a Dragunov. I need to do this fast before the nukes start flying.

Thank you. Seems like people in the US are freaking out over this.
It's a terrible situation to be sure, but nice to see someone right near it being levelheaded.

[Harry Smith]

I'd just like to say that all the Spanish civil war did was give the German air force target practice-it wasn't linked to WW2 because the soviets and Germans signed the Molotov pact despite virtually fighting each other in the civil war. It has nothing to do with WW2.

A piece of paper is Ukraine's shield-it should be pointed out that despite the myth that has spread the Treaty doesn't require the US to defend Ukraine with Military force. This is the only thing that is required...

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments

[TheBigUnit]

No military action will be taken simmer down people

[Sph2015]

World war? No/I sure as hell hope not. Cold war part two? Looks like it. We can certainly agree we're witnessing history being made.

[Southside]

Whoever thinks that the whole Ukraine situation will result in a World War is a fool..As the person above me said, it'll be a Cold War Part 2 since relations were already strained with Edward Snowden thing and the Syria crisis.

[JamesSuperBoy]

let us all hope for peace and sanity -

[Zenos]

I do not think it will be a third world war, because nobody is looking for one.
The first two world wars aren't just escelated small conflicts, they are because alot of countries still had vandettas from previous wars.
Unless germany is upto something again...

*just kidding, germany :P *

Actually WW2 was 3 wars that got draw together due to various pacts/Treaties.

the war in Asia that was being waged by the Japanese had ben going on since 1937.

There was the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1935

there was the The Soviet–Japanese Border Wars were a series of border conflicts between the Soviet Union and Japan between 1932 and 1945.


And of course on 1 September 1939, Germany invaded Poland.

All of these where seprate regional conflicts that when the Japanese bombed us and we declared war on japan and then Germany and Italy declared war on us for going to war with their Ally where all drawn into on global conflict.

[Elvalight]

Well, for one thing not all the world is too keen on war. I thought at first the whole thing was just something that would go away within a week or so, so I didn't keep very updated :/ I'm going to try to now, since you never know, but I don't think it's so bad that anyone would actually go to war. Isn't there already enough death? :(

[Harry Smith]

the war in Asia that was being waged by the Japanese had ben going on since 1937.

There was the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1935

there was the The Soviet–Japanese Border Wars were a series of border conflicts between the Soviet Union and Japan between 1932 and 1945.

These three incident has hardly anything to do with WW2 starting in Europe

[Zenos]

Well, for one thing not all the world is too keen on war. I thought at first the whole thing was just something that would go away within a week or so, so I didn't keep very updated :/ I'm going to try to now, since you never know, but I don't think it's so bad that anyone would actually go to war. Isn't there already enough death? :(

The major problem as to why these things keep flaring up is MENTAL.

Think about it all humans have a primitive savage/barbaric side to them right,and in civilized society it's not deemed as being right to let that side out so people surpress it,and the result among other things is war.

[Zenos]

These three incident has hardly anything to do with WW2 starting in Europe

Either you don't get it or you are just ignoring what I was saying and it's this.

WW2 was a bunch of regional conflicts that merged.They just use Germany as a whipping boy when in fact WW2 could actually be said to have started at Hawaii when japan bombed us!

[Elvalight]

The major problem as to why these things keep flaring up is MENTAL.

Think about it all humans have a primitive savage/barbaric side to them right,and in civilized society it's not deemed as being right to let that side out so people surpress it,and the result among other things is war.

Well, I wouldn't say savage, although everyone has a dark side. It's just that a lot of people in high authority make stupid choices. So the people they are supposed to keep safe end up paying for it.

[Harry Smith]

Either you don't get it or you are just ignoring what I was saying and it's this.

WW2 was a bunch of regional conflicts that merged.They just use Germany as a whipping boy when in fact WW2 could actually be said to have started at Hawaii when japan bombed us!

No,No,No. As you Americans like to forget the war had been happening since 1939

It wasn't a bunch of regional conflicts-it was a Germany declaring war on Poland which caused the war to start. It was centralized on that one conflict-if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then the west would of happily let him keep hold of Austria and Czechoslovakia. If it was as you suggest 'a bunch of conflicts that merged' then why did the USSR wait until '45 to attack Japan?

[Zenos]

Well, I wouldn't say savage, although everyone has a dark side. It's just that a lot of people in high authority make stupid choices. So the people they are supposed to keep safe end up paying for it.

LOl that darkside you talk of is the same thing as the savage /barbaric side i'm talking about.

Ad think of it who just who is supposed to be the pinnacle of civilized thought and action and not show that side OUR LEADERS!

And who is it that gets us into wars? OUR LEADERS because it's their way of dealing with that side of them that causes them to make decisions that cost lives.

[Elvalight]

LOl that darkside you talk of is the same thing as the savage /barbaric side i'm talking about.

Ad think of it who just who is supposed to be the pinnacle of civilized thought and action and not show that side OUR LEADERS!

And who is it that gets us into wars? OUR LEADERS because it's their way of dealing with that side of them that causes them to make decisions that cost lives.

Ikr? I wish we could finally get leaders that didn't rely so heavily on emotions and actually considered the expense of their actions.

[Zenos]

No,No,No. As you Americans like to forget the war had been happening since 1939

It wasn't a bunch of regional conflicts-it was a Germany declaring war on Poland which caused the war to start. It was centralized on that one conflict-if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then the west would of happily let him keep hold of Austria and Czechoslovakia. If it was as you suggest 'a bunch of conflicts that merged' then why did the USSR wait until '45 to attack Japan?

Sorry there where conflicts already going on before 1939 that got drug into what started in Europe!

http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii


also:
Soviet–Japanese War (1945)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)

The Russo-Japanese War of the early 20th century resulted in a Japanese victory and the Treaty of Portsmouth by which, in conjunction with other later events including the Mukden Incident and Japanese invasion of Manchuria in September 1931, Japan eventually gained control of Korea, Manchuria and Southern Sakhalin. In the late 1930s there were a number of Soviet-Japanese border incidents, the most significant being the Battle of Lake Khasan (Changkufeng Incident, July–August 1938) and the Battle of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan Incident, May–September 1939), which led to the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact[10][11] of April 1941. The Neutrality Pact freed up forces from the border incidents and enabled the Soviets to concentrate on their war with Germany, and the Japanese to concentrate on their southern expansion into Asia and the Pacific Ocean.


However, with success at Stalingrad, and the eventual defeat of Germany becoming increasingly certain, the Soviet attitude to Japan changed, both publicly, with Stalin making speeches denouncing Japan, and "privately", with the Soviets building up forces and supplies in the Far East. At the Tehran Conference (November 1943), amongst other things, Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin agreed that the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan once Nazi Germany was defeated. However, Stalin faced a dilemma - he wanted to avoid a two-front war at almost any cost yet the Soviet leader also wanted to extract gains in the Far East as well as Europe. The only way Stalin could make Far Eastern gains without a two-front war would be for Germany to capitulate before Japan.

Due to the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact, the Soviets made it policy to intern Allied aircrews who landed in Soviet territory following operations against Japan, although airmen held in the Soviet Union under such circumstances were usually allowed to "escape" after some period of time. Nevertheless, even before the defeat of Germany the Soviet buildup in the Far East steadily accelerated. By early 1945 it had become apparent to the Japanese that the Soviets were preparing to invade Manchuria, though they were unlikely to attack prior to Germany's defeat. In addition to their problems in the Pacific, the Japanese realised they needed to determine when and where a Soviet invasion would occur.

[Harry Smith]

Sorry there where conflicts already going on before 1939 that got drug into what started in Europe!

Sigh-thanks for proving my point. If WW2 was a conflict that merged all these wars together then the USSR would of attacked Japan in 1941 after Pearl Harbour-but they didn't which proves your argument is incorrect.

Can you also not copy large chunks of oversimplified history from untested sources, it just makes you look lazy.

The 'other' conflicts in 1939 (Japan-China) had nothing to do with world war 2 starting at all in any way. You tried to draw a weak link to the Spanish civil war earlier which also proved wrong. Europe was at peace until Germany invaded Poland

[Zenos]

Sigh-thanks for proving my point. If WW2 was a conflict that merged all these wars together then the USSR would of attacked Japan in 1941 after Pearl Harbour-but they didn't which proves your argument is incorrect.

Can you also not copy large chunks of oversimplified history from untested sources, it just makes you look lazy.

The 'other' conflicts in 1939 (Japan-China) had nothing to do with world war 2 starting at all in any way. You tried to draw a weak link to the Spanish civil war earlier which also proved wrong. Europe was at peace until Germany invaded Poland

Sorry the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact of April 1941 and the fact Stalin did not want to fight a 2 front war is why they waited so long.

You can deny this all you want but facts are facts!

[Harry Smith]

Sorry the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact of April 1941 and the fact Stalin did not want to fight a 2 front war is why they waited so long.

You can deny this all you want but facts are facts!

Pacts can be broken-have you heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939?

All your doing is proving my own argument-world war 2 was started because of Germany attacking poland-it had no relation to these regional smaller conflicts-Your thinking of world war 1, you know the one 20 years before?

[Zenos]

Pacts can be broken-have you heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939?

:rolleyes: And just why do you think Stalin waited until 194? he didn't have a 2 front war going on then!

:rolleyes:Thanks though for answering your own question as to why Stalin waited until 1945!

[Harry Smith]

:rolleyes: And just why do you think Stalin waited until 194? he didn't have a 2 front war going on then!

:rolleyes:Thanks though for answering your own question as to why Stalin waited until 1945!

Stalin had most of his army in Eastern Europe when the conflict started in Japan so he was still virtually fighting on two fronts-the defenses were so weak in manchuria that the remains of the soviet army that had been their since the 30's could walk across them. He still had two fronts of warfare in August 1945

[Zenos]

wrong The unconditional surrender of the German Third Reich was signed in the early morning hours of Monday, May 7, 1945 at Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) at Reims in northeastern France!

So there would have been no 2 front war for Stalin in august 1945!

[Zenos]

Stalin had most of his army in Eastern Europe when the conflict started in Japan so he was still virtually fighting on two fronts-the defenses were so weak in manchuria that the remains of the soviet army that had been their since the 30's could walk across them. He still had two fronts of warfare in August 1945

Wrong The unconditional surrender of the German Third Reich was signed in the early morning hours of Monday, May 7, 1945 at Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) at Reims in northeastern France!

So there would have been no 2 front war for Stalin in august 1945!

[TheBigUnit]

there was the The Soviet–Japanese Border Wars were a series of border conflicts between the Soviet Union and Japan between 1932 and 1945.


Ehh, I really wouldn't call that a "war"

[Zenos]

Ehh, I really wouldn't call that a "war"

A series of Conflicts is still a war

[TheBigUnit]

A series of Conflicts is still a war

Yeah but really the way you're grouping it makes it sound there was continous fighting etc, japan and russia is still "at war" it really was germany that really started world war 2

[Harry Smith]

Wrong The unconditional surrender of the German Third Reich was signed in the early morning hours of Monday, May 7, 1945 at Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) at Reims in northeastern France!



Did you read what I said? Russia had most of her army in the west disarming and removing the various Nazis governments (poland, bulgaria etc) so it was still virtually having to fight on two fronts. Just because the Germans surrendered didn't mean that all the Russians troops and command suddenly rushed off to Japan. They had all there forces in the west-not the east so it was still a two front war. He was so paranoid that the west were going to attack that he kept most of his forces in the east on virtual war footing

Stalin had most of his army in Eastern Europe when the conflict started in Japan so he was still virtually fighting on two fronts-the defenses were so weak in manchuria that the remains of the soviet army that had been their since the 30's could walk across them. He still had two fronts of warfare in August 1945

[TheBigUnit]

wrong The unconditional surrender of the German Third Reich was signed in the early morning hours of Monday, May 7, 1945 at Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) at Reims in northeastern France!

So there would have been no 2 front war for Stalin in august 1945!

Also for this I understand what he was saying, stalin still had to have a heavy military presence in europe when he "declared war" on japan

[Zenos]

Did you read what I said? Russia had most of her army in the west disarming and removing the various Nazis governments (poland, bulgaria etc) so it was still virtually having to fight on two fronts. Just because the Germans surrendered didn't mean that all the Russians troops and command suddenly rushed off to Japan. They had all there forces in the west-not the east so it was still a two front war.

You do realize the various Nazi installed Governments collapsed with the Russians moving through and the Germans where pushed out.

Look I have family in the military and they have confirmed for it to be a 2 front war the Russians would still have had to have been fighting in Europe in August 1945,and seeing as the war in Europe was and there was no more fighting going on in Europe in August 1945,even with troops in the West it is not a two front war but in fact a one front war simply because the former western front is now secure and that enemy is defeated!



Also for this I understand what he was saying, stalin still had to have a heavy military presence in europe when he "declared war" on japan

True but as that enemy was defeated and that front totally secure by August 1945 it is no longer a front as there is no fighting.

[Harry Smith]

You do realize the various Nazi installed Governments collapsed with the Russians moving through and the Germans where pushed out.

Look I have family in the military and they have confirmed for it to be a 2 front war the Russians would still have had to have been fighting in Europe in August 1945,and seeing as the war in Europe was and there was no more fighting going on in Europe in August 1945,even with troops in the West it is not a two front war but in fact a one front war simply because the former western front is now secure and that enemy is defeated!.

You think that the war was over in may in Europe? Wow. The Soviets had to use all their manpower to secure the west from the Allies and to help install the communist regimes. Defeat one enemy only to replace it with another. The soviets were also terrified of the Werewolf groups of SS members that had been jumping up across Europe. Stalin could of attacked in 1941 and he would of had the exact same amount of forces-the Germans signing a piece of paper didn't make it any easier for him to attack Japan.

I just asked my 'military' member of the family and they said I'm correct...ouch