face insecurities and the marvel of mew & models

[Sevun]

Hm, I have decent bone definition and jaw structure, and I could grow a little taller as I'm only 15, but I'm just currently experiencing some insecurity with my face as I am Chinese and have a Mongoloid facial structure compared to the Caucasoid facial structure seen in most fashion models around the world. http://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chapter1-figure2.jpg?w=450&h=244
If you see here Mongoloids typically have rounder, more prominent cheekbones in contrast to the sharper thinner cheekbones of Caucasoids and the jaws of Mongoloids are more narrower, contradicting the traditional masculine stereotype of a strong jaw.

I'm currently placing my tongue on the roof of my mouth as suggested by Dr. Mike Mew and John Mew who are famous endorsers of Orthotropics. It pushes your maxilla forward, giving your face more dimension, and allows you to have hollower cheeks. Often people don't place their tongue on their palate because they're mouth breathers, often because they had a blocked nose when they were young and never reverted back to the natural position. Do you guys place your tongue on the roof of your mouth?

Look at the following people:
Jordan Barrett
http://celebsiren.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/mariano_vivanco-440ccb064b83d68ef682f60bfd886f393_thumb.jpg
Xavier Serrano
https://www.famousbirthdays.com/headshots/xavier-serrano-7.jpg
Jon Kortajarena
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/9c/59/f49c592ab297cbc621581a60b33bb39b.jpg
River Viiperi
http://www.whynotmodels.com/pictures/3382/3382_525160.jpg
Sean O'Pry
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/707383142794055680/V1spIV01.jpg

These guys all have Caucasoid faces, and some with pushed forward maxillae and Sean O'Pry in particular has a long ramus, giving him more hollowed out cheeks.
What do you guys think?
Does anyone have this insecurity of attempting to break into an industry that is dominated by Europeans and the Western world?

[ska8er]

Idk-Im not that vain.

[TheMagicPotato]

http://s21.postimg.org/95887qqd3/image.jpg

This is indian model Masood Ahmad, he's from Mongoloid facial structure, and compared to the hollow cheeks of the models you listed above. You can actually notice that Ahmad haves rounded cheeks, although they're tonified, you can notice a big difference. And, Ahmad is very handsome, I could even said handsomer than various models you listed.

What I'm trying to say is that instead of trying to change your facial features, try to embrace them. You'll feel better about yourself and actually feel very handsome.

[jamie_n5]

We are who and what we are. You are born the race you are so there is little you can do about changing your heritage. Why are so many people worried about how they look and want to look like models. I find the super body builder bodies to be grotesque.

[ska8er]

We are who and what we are. You are born the race you are so there is little you can do about changing your heritage. Why are so many people worried about how they look and want to look like models. I find the super body builder bodies to be grotesque.


Once again Jamie-U r a wise man. :coolthumb:

[Jrunner]

Uhhh...

[lliam]

I'm not into this model stuff, but imo you are too focused on caucasian models. So, cause you are Chinese, I google some asian male models:


https://78.media.tumblr.com/d5a2e2daca62d3f8c0468177700ef538/tumblr_na25e0ArT21tfhg95o1_500.jpg

http://www.starmometer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MarioMaurer.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/celebrity/img/attachement/jpg/site1/20131211/001ec97909631412122b07.jpg

http://www.zmodel.com.hk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/models/asian_male/kento_to/book/Kento%20big%20head.jpg

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/pixelwater/zaizai63.jpg

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/russellflannery/files/2015/05/QQ%E5%9B%BE%E7%89%8720150514085351.jpg?width=960

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/3827835/531full-simonas-pham.jpg


https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-12/20/17/enhanced/webdr09/enhanced-12048-1419113484-1.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto


https://data.whicdn.com/images/231949313/large.jpg



All in all, you should never ever compare yourself with models anyway. The symmetry of the appearance is probably determined in formulas, but in the end still a matter of taste.

Maybe Caucasian models are exotic somewhere in Asia, but Asian models are considered exotic in western hemispheres ... or whatever, wherever.

I also read that some Asian models have surgically adapted their looks more to a Caucasian appearance ... i thought: WTF?

Well, these may be the requirements of the model market or such. So, unless you don't intend becoming a model, have a look in the mirror and meditate on what you like about yourself instead.

And hey, maybe you'll start to like to see these Chinese guy in the mirror someday. And then others start to like him (you) too. A side effect. So, if that's still important to you then.

Good luck.

[Sevun]

Idk-Im not that vain.

We are who and what we are. You are born the race you are so there is little you can do about changing your heritage. Why are so many people worried about how they look and want to look like models. I find the super body builder bodies to be grotesque.

Hi, look I'm not trying to come off as vain. Maybe I am? I'm just insecure, okay? You do you, but a lot of this also comes from the fact that I don't really look like my family, where I have sunken cheekbones but they have quite prominent ones. Sorry for being vain.


I'm not into this model stuff, but imo you are too focused on caucasian models. So, cause you are Chinese, I google some asian male models:


image (https://78.media.tumblr.com/d5a2e2daca62d3f8c0468177700ef538/tumblr_na25e0ArT21tfhg95o1_500.jpg)

image (http://www.starmometer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MarioMaurer.jpg)

image (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/celebrity/img/attachement/jpg/site1/20131211/001ec97909631412122b07.jpg)

image (http://www.zmodel.com.hk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/models/asian_male/kento_to/book/Kento%20big%20head.jpg)

image (http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/pixelwater/zaizai63.jpg)

image (https://blogs-images.forbes.com/russellflannery/files/2015/05/QQ%E5%9B%BE%E7%89%8720150514085351.jpg)?width=960

image (http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/3827835/531full-simonas-pham.jpg)


image (https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-12/20/17/enhanced/webdr09/enhanced-12048-1419113484-1.jpg)?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto


image (https://data.whicdn.com/images/231949313/large.jpg)



All in all, you should never ever compare yourself with models anyway. The symmetry of the appearance is probably determined in formulas, but in the end still a matter of taste.

Maybe Caucasian models are exotic somewhere in Asia, but Asian models are considered exotic in western hemispheres ... or whatever, wherever.

I also read that some Asian models have surgically adapted their looks more to a Caucasian appearance ... i thought: WTF?

Well, these may be the requirements of the model market or such. So, unless you don't intend becoming a model, have a look in the mirror and meditate on what you like about yourself instead.

And hey, maybe you'll start to like to see these Chinese guy in the mirror someday. And then others start to like him (you) too. A side effect. So, if that's still important to you then.

Good luck.

image (http://s21.postimg.org/95887qqd3/image.jpg)

This is indian model Masood Ahmad, he's from Mongoloid facial structure, and compared to the hollow cheeks of the models you listed above. You can actually notice that Ahmad haves rounded cheeks, although they're tonified, you can notice a big difference. And, Ahmad is very handsome, I could even said handsomer than various models you listed.

What I'm trying to say is that instead of trying to change your facial features, try to embrace them. You'll feel better about yourself and actually feel very handsome.

Guys, thank you for your advice, it helps a lot :) You're right, maybe it's time to embrace!



What are your theories on the work by the Mew family on placing your tongue on the roof of your mouth to expand your jaw to prevent dental problems and to push forward your maxilla?

[TheMagicPotato]

Hi, look I'm not trying to come off as vain. Maybe I am? I'm just insecure, okay? You do you, but a lot of this also comes from the fact that I don't really look like my family, where I have sunken cheekbones but they have quite prominent ones. Sorry for being vain.






Guys, thank you for your advice, it helps a lot :) You're right, maybe it's time to embrace!



What are your theories on the work by the Mew family on placing your tongue on the roof of your mouth to expand your jaw to prevent dental problems and to push forward your maxilla?

Probably works?

[ska8er]

We r all unique in one or another
and I think thats all that matters.

[Falcons_11]

I have never heard anything about putting your tongue at the top of my mouth. I tried doing it. But, to me, it seemed to be in an unnatural position. Usually my tongue stays down against my palate. I'm not dissing try what you suggest. But for me I thinbk I'll keep my tongue were it is.

[Dalcourt]

Puberty for Boys :arrow: Fashion

I don't feel it really fits the puberty forum.

[rioo]

I dont know about fashion but I've read something fun (and funny) from internet, you can google it for 'South Korean Plastic Surgery' and also the 'before and after' picture.
that defintly alot people in asia pop industry had plastic surgery.

[Sevun]

lliam dude, you're words are really inspiring. I think yeah, it's just sort of hard to be a minority in a world where European and Western fashion houses dominate the industry? Black models do fairly well, but I think it's quite rare you see Asian models on the catwalk or in commercial modelling.
I'm not even sure if I should model, because it seems like I would have to actively seek opportunities and I'm not sure if I'm confident enough, not to mention my strengths lie in the academic field, but I'm just keeping options open yknow?

[Dalcourt]

I have never heard anything about putting your tongue at the top of my mouth. I tried doing it. But, to me, it seemed to be in an unnatural position. Usually my tongue stays down against my palate. I'm not dissing try what you suggest. But for me I thinbk I'll keep my tongue were it is.

I kinda thought that,too. I don't really get it and wouldn't do anything like that to kinda look different. But honestly I have no idea but about Caucasian beauty ideals since I'm mixed raced (Black, Caucasian, Native American) with predominantly African looks...

I don't really know much about models and the industry but since I see models with all kinds of different looks I don't really understand why as an Asian you shouldn't make it.

I have seen all kinds of types of models in ads no matter if Black, White, Latino or Asian. These days there is so much room for all kinds of types so I really wouldn't worry so much.
I would say it's not only about your looks but about how you as a person sell your looks.

[lliam]

I'm not even sure if I should model, because it seems like I would have to actively seek opportunities and I'm not sure if I'm confident enough, not to mention my strengths lie in the academic field, but I'm just keeping options open yknow?


That's not my thing either. Although I would have no scruple to dance the catwalk up and down wearing just a mini-kilt ... after all, I've done that before, but I also realized that's not my world. It's one thing to model for some classmates, who did a fashion-design project, and of course just for fun, but it's another thing to imagine doing it even halfway professionally.

If your preferences are more of academic nature anyway, you should focus more on that. I think, you'll have more success longterms anyway if you do do something what you like most to do, even if you never reach the level of Einstein. But who knows.

[Sevun]

That's not my thing either. Although I would have no scruple to dance the catwalk up and down wearing just a mini-kilt ... after all, I've done that before, but I also realized that's not my world. It's one thing to model for some classmates, who did a fashion-design project, and of course just for fun, but it's another thing to imagine doing it even halfway professionally.

If your preferences are more of academic nature anyway, you should focus more on that. I think, you'll have more success longterms anyway if you do do something what you like most to do, even if you never reach the level of Einstein. But who knows.

you're right bro, I mean I aspire to be Einstein's level, but lol let's be real
it would be cool to just impact a field if ya know what i mean
modelling just seems really enjoyable to do, the travelling, the shows, although of course there is rejection etc. that's just my opinion

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lliam TheMagicPotato
okay guys thanks for the support,
I've come to the conclusion and have been honest with myself that I don't really want to model, because I don't have the right mindset, despite how laidback and fun their life looks, even despite they have a lot of rejection and they do a lot of work to maintain their appearance and are very insecure.
I guess it's sobering me up, it would've been nice, but I'm cut out for it. It sucks because I was predicted to be 192 cm when I was a baby, I had really good skin, but I kept falling sick and so 1) my frame isn't very large because I didn't eat much 2) they say to have forward cheekbones, your tongue should rest at the roof of your mouth, but because I often had a blocked nose, I became a mouth breather and I didn't put my tongue where I was supposed to...
sigh i'm just thinking of potential I had, but yeah, that's cool with me because there is a bunch of other stuff I can do!

Posts merged. Use the edit button next time. ~Mars

[Max the Disenchanter]

there's always plastic surgery if you can afford it.

[Sevun]

there's always plastic surgery if you can afford it.
AHAHA yeah that's true but I'd rather not, it's really not a good look after a couple of decades once everything has sagged

[lliam]

Let's take a look at your other self in an alternate timeline:

So far as it conerns plastic surgery , it probably depends on how far you go with it. For example, you could change your face to give it you a Eurasian look, which is very exotic and may multiply the opportunities to work as a model in many markets around the world.

Even if you don't reach 192cm, but just, lets say, my heigh (185 / 86cm) you'll be big enough for the job and need no further surgery, but your daily hours in the gym.

Such a facial surgery is then comparatively only a minor intervention that would not make you look, hmm, "uglier" in old ages than you would turn ugly anyway :D

... implying that you, as an old person, would turn ugly at all ... as if a few more simple wrinkles can disfigure an older individual.

Best is aging with dignity. If one radiates these, one remains beautiful or such ... because beauty is just a matter of a individual definition. All you've to do is lead a relatively healthy life and keep you away from any excesses.



People who really become ugly are those who live a addicted life such with .... alcohol, drugs, eating too much or less food, partying, working too hard, being too lazy, plastic surgeries and so on and so on.

[Sevun]

Let's take a look at your other self in an alternate timeline:

So far as it conerns plastic surgery , it probably depends on how far you go with it. For example, you could change your face to give it you a Eurasian look, which is very exotic and may multiply the opportunities to work as a model in many markets around the world.

Even if you don't reach 192cm, but just, lets say, my heigh (185 / 86cm) you'll be big enough for the job and need no further surgery, but your daily hours in the gym.

Such a facial surgery is then comparatively only a minor intervention that would not make you look, hmm, "uglier" in old ages than you would turn ugly anyway :D

... implying that you, as an old person, would turn ugly at all ... as if a few more simple wrinkles can disfigure an older individual.

Best is aging with dignity. If one radiates these, one remains beautiful or such ... because beauty is just a matter of a individual definition. All you've to do is lead a relatively healthy life and keep you away from any excesses.



People who really become ugly are those who live a addicted life such with .... alcohol, drugs, eating too much or less food, partying, working too hard, being too lazy, plastic surgeries and so on and so on.

Wait are you saying plastic surgery is a minor inconvenience or it should be avoided? I agree with both honestly, because yeah, ageing naturally is important!

[lliam]

In general, I would advise to avoid any unnecessary plastic surgery.

But everything is relative. Good plastic surgeons today have so much routine that minimal facial changes aren't a big challenge for them. Accordingly, the risk for the "customer" that something goes wrong during surgery or that the result of the change that was previously simulated on the computer doesn't turn out as expected is rather low.


As for my alternate timeline scenario, I would say even if there's a risk that can not be ruled out, le's say, a risk of dying (worst case) during those surgeries, such an operation definitely falls into the category of "minor inconvenience".

Unless wandering around for weeks with a swollen face is just a "minor inconvenience" to you, cause the body needs to regenerate from the surgery before you can admire (or curse) the final result in the mirror. Which may be associated with significant pain, why the use of appropriate medication is absolutely necessary.



But that was just a speculation, suggested someone would guarantee that after such an operation, which may cost between $ 60000-120000 dollars (fictitiously assumed amounts), you would receive 5-10 times of that invested money during a period of 12 years. Because otherwise it makes no sense to risk your own health.


Personally, I would rather consult a psychotherapist than opt for a plastic surgery.

[Sevun]

In general, I would advise to avoid any unnecessary plastic surgery.

But everything is relative. Good plastic surgeons today have so much routine that minimal facial changes aren't a big challenge for them. Accordingly, the risk for the "customer" that something goes wrong during surgery or that the result of the change that was previously simulated on the computer doesn't turn out as expected is rather low.


As for my alternate timeline scenario, I would say even if there's a risk that can not be ruled out, le's say, a risk of dying (worst case) during those surgeries, such an operation definitely falls into the category of "minor inconvenience".

Unless wandering around for weeks with a swollen face is just a "minor inconvenience" to you, cause the body needs to regenerate from the surgery before you can admire (or curse) the final result in the mirror. Which may be associated with significant pain, why the use of appropriate medication is absolutely necessary.



But that was just a speculation, suggested someone would guarantee that after such an operation, which may cost between $ 60000-120000 dollars (fictitiously assumed amounts), you would receive 5-10 times of that invested money during a period of 12 years. Because otherwise it makes no sense to risk your own health.


Personally, I would rather consult a psychotherapist than opt for a plastic surgery.

Yes! I agree! I want to consult with a dentist first to see what I need to do, because a lot of this depends on your posture, tongue position, upper palate etc. Psychotherapist would also help :) I think i'll talk to the school counsellor