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Zenos
February 26th, 2014, 08:46 PM
So I was asked today if I ever got fed up with civilization and its pettiness that I felt like reverting to a form of semi-barbarianism,and what it would have been like to live in a barbarian tribe in the past?
I said yes and it was a very interesting topic of discussion among my friends.

I'd like to know what your opinion is i'll give mine in detail.


Yes, I've actually felt like filling a backpack full of items and just walking into a large wilderness and just disappear for a few years just to escape from a humdrum, stuck in school going to eventually have have to deal with atax paying, over worked, under appreciated, pointless life. Most of us are really just waiting to die. Some of drink excessively on occasion or quite frequently to dull our senses long enough that we can really believe that it isn't what's really happening.



Yeah, life sucked back in "the old days" because of this or that but is really THAT much better today? Traffic jams, suburban sprawl, corrupt governments with the power and technology to REALLY oppress people. Hell, I could go on and on about how much it sucks living TODAY and probably come up with more insidious and numerous negative things about contemporary life when compared to ancient times. Most of what we value that causes us to poo poo life in the past is what we've been force fed to think. I'm supposing most of the fella's and femmes here consider themselves "critical thinkers". I ask, did you think of that on your own? What is a "critical thinker"? Really is it just someone who's suspicious of most everything he or she is told that he or she hasn't experienced personally?


Modern humans are either fat apathetic whiners or obsessed fitness freaks or just somewhere in between or too busy to care either way. Were isolated socially and emotionally because we spend more time sitting in front of the damn CRT than engaging in more memorable pursuits or just plain talking to ANYONE face to face. There was a time where kin and being around them had more value than going to the double cursed mall. There was a time when moving 2000 miles was relatively unthinkable .


Yeah I despise much of modern life and it's supposed benefits. Everyone hear is just a CONSUMER. Your also a NUMBER and a source of government and business revenue. 50% believe you an accident of nature, the other half believes your a creation that has value beyond just what you can produce. The latter is considered by the former to be out moded and quaint. As well as deluded. The latter feels the former is closed hearted and short sighted. Both can be unbelievably cruel and unenlightened. Modern society prides itself on it's complexity. Since when was complexity desirable or a benefit.

The result is that many buy it in a grueling, ugly and undignified way. What's the benefit of living to 80 or older today? The youth of today are not taught that the elderly have any value. They have the internet. So what's so great about modern health technology and drugs. Have you ever been to an assited care center? It's sick, horrible and sad. People who have been kept alive to live like what?


One element of Nietzsche's philosophy is the exaltation of the free man, the ?New Barbarian,? who rejects the morality of the herd, stating materialism and amorality are incompatible with human existence.

Imagine the liberating experience of throwing aside the junk of modern life - just have what you need and no more. By using a "will to power" we could reject and rebel against societal ideals and moral codes. Never before have we had the option to live life as we want on our own terms.

Today's man can sate his wanderlust, and travel the far reaches of the globe should he wish, he can feast on wine and prey on women, power himself in a steed of steel, gain riches and power, forging ahead against any boardroom adversary. Invasion, Brutality, Power, it's what makes our world turn - in the timeline of mankind we really have barely set foot from out of our caves.

Miserabilia
February 27th, 2014, 01:16 PM
No matter how small or big someone's problem's are absolutely;
as long as they are alive, they will find the same happines and sadness relitavely;

for example, I actualy live a great life, I mean, I've got everything, I've got money education all the food and drink I can get, yet, I can be very sad.
And people that are starving and poor, they might find happines in all sorts of things;
the human mind needs happines and sadnes to function, if not it will produce it.

So, no matter what type of life you lead your happines and sadnes will be relatively similar; but I think we shouldn't just overthrow into a a barbaric society because of that;
we should enjoy the privilages we are given by our ancestors,
and use it to gather knowledge, invent, and find better ways to live and use our recources.

:)

Tarannosaurus
February 27th, 2014, 01:24 PM
To be honest, I think humans would have been better off not advancing past the stone age. I read a lot of fiction books about the stone age ( such as Earth's Children, by Jean M. Auel, set in the Paleolithic stone age, very interesting books if you ever come across them) and I would really like to live in that time, nowadays it's almost impossible to just live completely in nature. Although stone age people were much more advanced that they're given credit for.

Miserabilia
February 27th, 2014, 01:34 PM
To be honest, I think humans would have been better off not advancing past the stone age. I read a lot of fiction books about the stone age ( such as Earth's Children, by Jean M. Auel, set in the Paleolithic stone age, very interesting books if you ever come across them) and I would really like to live in that time, nowadays it's almost impossible to just live completely in nature. Although stone age people were much more advanced that they're given credit for.

It would be neat, but what about progress? Looking to the future and not lingering in the past?
Humans will always feel the need to improve, it's an instinct.

Tarannosaurus
February 27th, 2014, 01:39 PM
It would be neat, but what about progress? Looking to the future and not lingering in the past?
Humans will always feel the need to improve, it's an instinct.

Unfortunately yeah, but it's debatable whether all this improving was for the better.

Miserabilia
February 27th, 2014, 01:44 PM
Unfortunately yeah, but it's debatable whether all this improving was for the better.

Depends on your definition of the better.
In general there are different "goals", like;

-The preservation and survival of all life
-The spreading of all life

-The preservation and survival of human life
-The spreading of human life

-The preservation and gathering of knowledge
-The spreading of knowledge

Zenos
February 27th, 2014, 07:11 PM
I think our advances have come with a price.

1)For example the members of the last remaining hunter gatherer tribes do not have the diseases that civilized people are if they do it is less common.

2) they tend to have far better endrance then civilized people.

There are some good things about our advances,but there are a lot if things that have cost us and are costing us.

for example if civilization collapsed ma vast majority of people in the ciuvilized world would starve to death because they can't hunt,can't fish,can't trap can't farm or garden