what are some of the teachingsof your religion?

[Zenos]

Ok regardless of religion i'd like to hear well read some of what your religion teaches.So feel free to post some of your religions teachings.

I JUST ASK ONE THING OF CHRISTIANS: Please do not give the jesus was born,was crucified and died and rose form the dead for the sins of man because he was the savior bit,the reason why is most people have heard that and that's the tip of the ice berg teaching that most people know,so I ask you to go into more depth beyond that as to the teachings of your religion.Thank you!


I JUST ASK ONE THING OF ATHEIST: Please if you do not believe in any form of deity have the respect not to try to turn this thread into a debate as to the stupidity of religion and why there is no God or Gods.

If you do then I ask that everyone that posts here to share simply put you on ignore so no one has to deal with your disruptions.

Ok i'll start with mine.
I follow/practice Driudism also know as Druidry and here are a few of it's tenets:


Being aware of the "greater scheme is a widely held tenet of Druidry.there is a pattern-a creative,harmonious urge which keeps the whole vibrant interconnectedness of life as we know it on track.

harmony is a vital concept.Druids have a basic belief in the harmony and rightness of nature,and in the inherent goodness of humankind.

A Druid tenet is "truth against the world": a Druid's integrity is a vitally important component of his or her-self image.

[Stryker125]

I'm not really religious at all, but I guess Christianity is the closest. I just try to follow Jesus' teachings to be good to people. The core tenet of Christianity (and just about every other major religion, as far as I can tell) is "Love others, and don't be a cock."

[AlexOnToast]

I was brought up outside of any religious beliefs (altho I only heard the word athiest for the first time a few years ago)
I was brought up with what I would consider very good moral guidance. Respect other people's descisions, show compassion, always try to help where possible etc. It's all very Storybook stuff but hey, it's good.

[Aajj333]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and heaven has beer volcanos and stripper factories

[conniption]

"Love others, and don't be a cock."

Well, that's certainly one way to put it...

[Zenos]

Well, that's certainly one way to put it...

yup that's for sure

[darthearth]

I have a quick question Zenos, I find I am in love with the sun, moon and Earth and am a panentheist. I suspect that I may be a Druid because of these things. What do you think? Should I consider myself a Christian Druid, with religious beliefs drawing on both? What does it mean to be a Druid? I found myself thinking today that we don't really know what classical Druidry really is, but the same source of inspiration then would be now also, so I gather that today's Druidry would be at least reflective of the ancient. What do you think about that?

[Lovelife090994]

Well, my religion being Christianity is that Jesus is the Messiah. After that I believe that God wants us to all love one another and to try and better ourselves whilst not judging others even when we are faced with judgement or the tip of a blade. God wants there to be peace and so many who are Christian try to make peace a reality in some places hit by war. I have always looked at God as the Creator and a comforter who is there for you, and I have also looked at God as a god of love. Many try to justify hate in Christianity but that is not its point. I just try to live right and keep myself to God and not let someone sway me. I pray for others and give kind words whenever insulted, and I try not to act on anger. But being a Christian is not to be perfect but it is to be a beacon of truth.

[Zenos]

I have a quick question Zenos, I find I am in love with the sun, moon and Earth and am a panentheist. I suspect that I may be a Druid because of these things. What do you think? Should I consider myself a Christian Druid, with religious beliefs drawing on both? What does it mean to be a Druid? I found myself thinking today that we don't really know what classical Druidry really is, but the same source of inspiration then would be now also, so I gather that today's Druidry would be at least reflective of the ancient. What do you think about that?

There are people who syncretize Christianity and Druidism together.

Though I warn you has 10 different Christian druids what it is and how to go about syncretizing the two faiths together and you get 10 different answers.
The "Druid's Prayer or "Gorsedd Prayer is a prayer composed by Iolo Morganwg which is still a staple in the ritual of both gorseddau and Neo-Druidism.

Some of the different versions of it:
The Gorsedd Prayer, called the Prayer of the Gwyddoniaid (From the Great Book of Margam)
God, impart Thy strength;
And in strength, power to suffer;
And to suffer for the truth;
And in the truth, all light;
And in light, gwynvyd;
And in gwynfyd, love;
And in love, God;
And in God, all goodness.


The Gorsedd Prayer, from the Book of Trahaiarn the Great Poet
Grant, God, Thy protection;
And in protection, reason;
And in reason, light;
And in light, truth;
And in truth, justice;
And in justice, love;
And in love, the love of God;
And in the love of God, gwynfyd.

God and all goodness.

The Gorsedd Prayer, from another Book
Grant, O God, Thy protection;
And in protection, strength;
And in strength, understanding;
And in understanding, knowledge;
And in knowledge, the knowledge of justice;
And in the knowledge of justice, the love of it;
And in that love, the love of all existences;
And in the love of all existences, the love of God.

God and all goodness



I hope these sites help,though I wills ay this right out that at least one of these sites will claim that due to their similarities that there was a mas conversion of the followers of Druidism to Christianity when the facts do not support that claim,but support the fact that when rulers of a land converted to Christianity that land would be considered Christian even if 99% of the people where still pagan!


http://matthewslater.blogspot.com/2008/01/christian-druid.html

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/theemerald/ChristianDruidry.html

http://www.druidry.org/druid-way/other-paths/christianity-druidry

[Lovecraft]

Satanism believes in religious scepticism, self as the highest power, extreme individualism and Epicureanism. We're also nontheistic (contrary to popular belief). One of the most accepting and kind of religions once you get to know us. (;

[Lovelife090994]

Satanism believes in religious scepticism, self as the highest power, extreme individualism and Epicureanism. We're also nontheistic (contrary to popular belief). One of the most accepting and kind of religions once you get to know us. (;

Hopefully this won't annoy you. May I ask more on Satanism from you? I nevr got it and I've been too scared to search it for fear of what I may see online. As a Christian I thought Stanism was like a parallel to Christianity. Is this so? If Satanism is nontheistic and based on the individual then why is it called Satanism? What's Satanic about individuality? Epicureanism? The people I met claiming to be Satanists I thinl were faking. They were downright rude and or creepy which I doubt is what Satanism even is about.

There are people who syncretize Christianity and Druidism together.

Though I warn you has 10 different Christian druids what it is and how to go about syncretizing the two faiths together and you get 10 different answers.
The "Druid's Prayer or "Gorsedd Prayer is a prayer composed by Iolo Morganwg which is still a staple in the ritual of both gorseddau and Neo-Druidism.

Some of the different versions of it:
The Gorsedd Prayer, called the Prayer of the Gwyddoniaid (From the Great Book of Margam)
God, impart Thy strength;
And in strength, power to suffer;
And to suffer for the truth;
And in the truth, all light;
And in light, gwynvyd;
And in gwynfyd, love;
And in love, God;
And in God, all goodness.


The Gorsedd Prayer, from the Book of Trahaiarn the Great Poet
Grant, God, Thy protection;
And in protection, reason;
And in reason, light;
And in light, truth;
And in truth, justice;
And in justice, love;
And in love, the love of God;
And in the love of God, gwynfyd.

God and all goodness.

The Gorsedd Prayer, from another Book
Grant, O God, Thy protection;
And in protection, strength;
And in strength, understanding;
And in understanding, knowledge;
And in knowledge, the knowledge of justice;
And in the knowledge of justice, the love of it;
And in that love, the love of all existences;
And in the love of all existences, the love of God.

God and all goodness



I hope these sites help,though I wills ay this right out that at least one of these sites will claim that due to their similarities that there was a mas conversion of the followers of Druidism to Christianity when the facts do not support that claim,but support the fact that when rulers of a land converted to Christianity that land would be considered Christian even if 99% of the people where still pagan!


http://matthewslater.blogspot.com/2008/01/christian-druid.html

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/theemerald/ChristianDruidry.html

http://www.druidry.org/druid-way/other-paths/christianity-druidry

Is Druidry is anyway linked to paganism? Is it a religion or spirituality? Religious subjects intrigue me even if they can be confusiong to me. Just a heads up, no matter how different I'll never insult one's faith. I am curious though.

Merged double post. -Cygnus David

[Lovecraft]

Hopefully this won't annoy you. May I ask more on Satanism from you? I nevr got it and I've been too scared to search it for fear of what I may see online. As a Christian I thought Stanism was like a parallel to Christianity. Is this so? If Satanism is nontheistic and based on the individual then why is it called Satanism? What's Satanic about individuality? Epicureanism? The people I met claiming to be Satanists I thinl were faking. They were downright rude and or creepy which I doubt is what Satanism even is about.

Won't annoy me at all! I love to talk about it.

I should mention that there are theistic Satanists, but they don't subscribe to the textbook definition of LaVeyan Satanism, which originally surfaced as more of an "alternative" to Christianity. The most anti-Christian thing there is, if you ask me, is holding yourself and your needs to the highest degree of importance. Satanism encourages selfishness and self-indulgence above all else.

It actually originated in a man's house in 1966, where he was holding lecture sessions on his philosophies, which were generally against what most Christians believed. It wasn't even supposed to be a religion at first, but so many people became interested in what he was saying that they suggested they had enough material to start a full-fledged religion.

Epicureanism basically is any philosophy based on the works and ideals of Epicurus. He believed that self-indulging "pleasure" is the greatest good in existence. Satanism is in many ways an extension of Epicureanism and, to a lesser extent, Hedonism, the belief that pleasure is the only good. I can recommend some people who write about both topics if you're interested; it's all pretty complicated and can't really be summarized very easily.

A lot of people claim to be Satanists without really understanding what the religion/philosophy is about. It's literally only classified as a religion because it technically could be, and is more of a school of thought than anything. No prayer is required and there are no set-in-stone rules. I think 90% of "Satanists" are just 12-year-olds who think saying they worship the devil makes them edgy. The name is more coined from the concept of a counter-religion in general.

If you're interested in some people explaining Satanism far better than I ever could, I'd recommend you read The Satanic Bible (I know, I know, it sounds stupid/scary, but it's literally just a collection of essays outlining the core beliefs of the group.)

Feel free to ask any more questions that you feel like asking, I honestly love talking about my beliefs.

[Amsey]

I like to follow Christianity's rule of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" which pretty much means if your good to people, people will be good to you and visa versa :) ilike it as I try to be a good person so its a good rule of life to follow :)

[Lovelife090994]

Won't annoy me at all! I love to talk about it.

I should mention that there are theistic Satanists, but they don't subscribe to the textbook definition of LaVeyan Satanism, which originally surfaced as more of an "alternative" to Christianity. The most anti-Christian thing there is, if you ask me, is holding yourself and your needs to the highest degree of importance. Satanism encourages selfishness and self-indulgence above all else.

It actually originated in a man's house in 1966, where he was holding lecture sessions on his philosophies, which were generally against what most Christians believed. It wasn't even supposed to be a religion at first, but so many people became interested in what he was saying that they suggested they had enough material to start a full-fledged religion.

Epicureanism basically is any philosophy based on the works and ideals of Epicurus. He believed that self-indulging "pleasure" is the greatest good in existence. Satanism is in many ways an extension of Epicureanism and, to a lesser extent, Hedonism, the belief that pleasure is the only good. I can recommend some people who write about both topics if you're interested; it's all pretty complicated and can't really be summarized very easily.

A lot of people claim to be Satanists without really understanding what the religion/philosophy is about. It's literally only classified as a religion because it technically could be, and is more of a school of thought than anything. No prayer is required and there are no set-in-stone rules. I think 90% of "Satanists" are just 12-year-olds who think saying they worship the devil makes them edgy. The name is more coined from the concept of a counter-religion in general.

If you're interested in some people explaining Satanism far better than I ever could, I'd recommend you read The Satanic Bible (I know, I know, it sounds stupid/scary, but it's literally just a collection of essays outlining the core beliefs of the group.)

Feel free to ask any more questions that you feel like asking, I honestly love talking about my beliefs.

Wow, thank you for answering nicely. I may look into it. Not to convert, I still like my Christianity despite some of its knuckleheads. The Satanic Bible? Never heard of it but I have heard of an anti-Bible but it is not said to be Satanic or necessarily demonic, the Codex Gigas. It supposedly tells Lucifer's side to the story but is veiled in mystery and was even believed to have been cursed. Oddly it was written by a seasoned Catholic monk but one who was wronged by the Church I believe. If you are interested in religious studies, that may hold intrigue.

[Lovecraft]

Wow, thank you for answering nicely. I may look into it. Not to convert, I still like my Christianity despite some of its knuckleheads. The Satanic Bible? Never heard of it but I have heard of an anti-Bible but it is not said to be Satanic or necessarily demonic, the Codex Gigas. It supposedly tells Lucifer's side to the story but is veiled in mystery and was even believed to have been cursed. Oddly it was written by a seasoned Catholic monk but one who was wronged by the Church I believe. If you are interested in religious studies, that may hold intrigue.

No problem at all. I'm glad you enjoyed. I'll have to check that out.

[Gigablue]

As an atheist, I obviously don't have a religion, but I do follow the principles of secular humanism. There isn't really any single ethical philosophy shared by all atheists, but many agree with most or all of the teachings of secular humanism. I could try to explain the principles of it, but I think the Council for Secular Humanism already did it best with their statement of principles:

We are committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.

We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life.

We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities.

We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state.

We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.

We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so that they will be able to help themselves.

We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race, religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of humanity.

We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other species.

We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our creative talents to their fullest.

We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.

We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.

We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We want to nourish reason and compassion.

We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.

We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still to be made in the cosmos.

We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.

We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.

We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance, joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.

We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that we are capable of as human beings.

Not all atheist have the same ethical beliefs as I do, since atheism really only deals with belief in a deity. However, a large number of atheists either indentify as secular humanists as well as atheist, or share many of the beliefs of secular humanism. It is important to note that there are other organizations of secular humanists with slightly different declarations of principles, but they all value science, reason, human rights, dignity for everyone, and the advancement of the human species, while being opposed to violence, discrimination, needless suffering and irrationality.

[Cygnus]

I don't have a religion, however I have something called an honor code, which I wrote and printed and everything but the basic things there are the following:

-Do not search for a fight, for you have no reason to do it. Only fight in case of personal defense.
-A certain level of respect is had for everyone until they prove undeserving of it.
-Hope is the last thing one must lose, because if you do lose it there is nothing left.
-Fight for the greater good, even if it requires eventual punishment.
-Loyalty is a priority since it gives someone what to fight for when there isn't much.
-Inner peace and self-control means stability in one's life.
-What others think of one self means nothing if the person is content with his or her persona.
-Everyone has the same amount of potential, which nears infinity.
-Persistence is key if something wants to be achieved.

[Stronk Serb]

Slavic Pagan. We have the Jarrilo festival which is celebrated at the end of the year. It celebrates the weakening of the barriers between the underworld and this world.

[Gamma Male]

Secular Humanist Atheist, like gigablue. I don't know if humanist is the right word though, as I believe compassion and fairness should be given to all sentient beings, not just humans.
But if anyone asks I'm a ToothFairian. xD

[Cygnus]

Slavic Pagan. We have the Jarrilo festival which is celebrated at the end of the year. It celebrates the weakening of the barriers between the underworld and this world.

Now those aren't really teachings, more like traditions, I'd like to read about it's teachings.

[Zenos]

Hopefully this won't annoy you. May I ask more on Satanism from you? I nevr got it and I've been too scared to search it for fear of what I may see online. As a Christian I thought Stanism was like a parallel to Christianity. Is this so? If Satanism is nontheistic and based on the individual then why is it called Satanism? What's Satanic about individuality? Epicureanism? The people I met claiming to be Satanists I thinl were faking. They were downright rude and or creepy which I doubt is what Satanism even is about.



Is Druidry is anyway linked to paganism? Is it a religion or spirituality? Religious subjects intrigue me even if they can be confusiong to me. Just a heads up, no matter how different I'll never insult one's faith. I am curious though.

Merged double post. -Cygnus David

yes Druidry is a form of paganism.

Um the Satanism she is talking about is Modern Satanism aka LaVeyan Satanism,which is pretty much atheistic humanism guised as Satanism.

Yes I went through the LaVeyan Satanism phase until I met an actual Theistic Satanist who asked me the following:

Ok if Satanists believed in a literal Satan, until LaVey came along,then where did all the theistic Satanists just vanish to when laVey started say Satan was not a literal being?

And how can you be an actual Satanists,if centuries of Satanists before you believed in a literal Satan,and you do not?


Both those questions got me to thinking big time,which lead to me rejecting LaVeyan Satanism as being as realistic as being a Christian without belief in a literal Christ as part of the religion of Christianity.

Plus it helped me realize just how unsatanic it is to spend most of your time jumping through hoops explaining how despite not believeing in a literal Satan and centuries of Satanists before Anton LaVey believeing in a literal satan,that I was a Satanist.

So I dropped LaVey's rip of Might is Right by Ragnar Red Beard, ideas of Thelema by Aleister Crowley,the philosophies of Ayan rand,Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche,mistranslated Enochian calls,etc, etc

[Stronk Serb]

Now those aren't really teachings, more like traditions, I'd like to read about it's teachings.

Ah, we are a polytheistic religion. The main gods are: Perun, Dažbog, Triglav, Morana, Vesna, Stribog. We worship and preserve Mother Earth. We don't have any real teachings, no commandments or anything like that. Each can act how he sees fit. We can make our own sets of moral values. That's what attracted me to my ancestral religion the most.

[darthearth]

There are people who syncretize Christianity and Druidism together.

Though I warn you has 10 different Christian druids what it is and how to go about syncretizing the two faiths together and you get 10 different answers.
The "Druid's Prayer or "Gorsedd Prayer is a prayer composed by Iolo Morganwg which is still a staple in the ritual of both gorseddau and Neo-Druidism.

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Thanks for the info and links. I think my beliefs are developing. I really like those prayers. Interesting how I said sun, moon and earth and those are the symbols of the three realms of Barddas. But I don't understand the human spirits going into trees thing much. Do you know how literal that is taken? And would you say Druidry is more pantheism or panentheism? Just curious what your view is because you follow it.

As far as my beliefs, it's pretty much following the 10 commandments, loving God and your neighbor. Other than that, no specific rules. Just accept Jesus as your savior and always try to do God's will. I believe strongly in Hell, but I don't really believe God leaves people in Hell forever though, I think they're there until they repent and turn to Him and He will lift them out eventually, but it's nothing anyone wants to experience for even a second. This view is not really biblical though. I feel atheists will be strongly rebuked if they maintain their atheism all the way into bodily death, but Jesus is the judge not me, I will never definitively claim any certain person is going to Hell.

[Zenos]

Thanks for the info and links. I think my beliefs are developing. I really like those prayers. Interesting how I said sun, moon and earth and those are the symbols of the three realms of Barddas. But I don't understand the human spirits going into trees thing much. Do you know how literal that is taken? And would you say Druidry is more pantheism or panentheism? Just curious what your view is because you follow it.

As far as my beliefs, it's pretty much following the 10 commandments, loving God and your neighbor. Other than that, no specific rules. Just accept Jesus as your savior and always try to do God's will. I believe strongly in Hell, but I don't really believe God leaves people in Hell forever though, I think they're there until they repent and turn to Him and He will lift them out eventually, but it's nothing anyone wants to experience for even a second. This view is not really biblical though. I feel atheists will be strongly rebuked if they maintain their atheism all the way into bodily death, but Jesus is the judge not me, I will never definitively claim any certain person is going to Hell.

Well druidry is more pantheism,unless your a Christian druid but I don't know much about Christian druidism,and theres no going into trees in the pagan form of druidism except if you happen to be reborn as one in one of your lives.

[Typhlosion]

NNNNNOOOOTHING! :lol3:
Atheism.

[Troye]

I don't belong to a religion

[Miserabilia]

*atheist*

[Zenos]

NNNNNOOOOTHING! :lol3:
Atheism.

you sinner you :lol3:

[Lovelife090994]

you sinner you :lol3:

I wouldn't say sinner. But I would ask if he or she could list some of their beliefs and morals since we all have those.

[Zenos]

I wouldn't say sinner. But I would ask if he or she could list some of their beliefs and morals since we all have those.

it was meant as a joke lol

[Lovelife090994]

it was meant as a joke lol

I know, but seriously though.

[Capto]

Daily prayer. I'll take my pilgrimage someday. I avoid a couple of haram things, though for me, as well as several modern Muslims, I don't see the point to most things labeled as haram, and know that Al-lah will love us all the same regardless if we listen to music or not.

And obviously the Qur'an is the highest authority religion-wise.

[Zenos]

Daily prayer. I'll take my pilgrimage someday. I avoid a couple of haram things, though for me, as well as several modern Muslims, I don't see the point to most things labeled as haram, and know that Al-lah will love us all the same regardless if we listen to music or not.

And obviously the Qur'an is the highest authority religion-wise.

:rolleyes: There is no one religious text that is the highest authority religion-wise!

that's like saying it has greater authority religion-wise then the holy texts of judiaism or Christainity,or budhism or Hinduism or the book of shadows of wicca ,or the Book of Pheryllt used by some of the druids I know.

I think it is best to let a person decide on what holy text has the highest authority religion-wise for themselves.

[Capto]

that's like saying it has greater authority religion-wise then the holy texts of judiaism or Christainity,or budhism or Hinduism or the book of shadows of wicca ,or the Book of Pheryllt used by some of the druids I know.

I think it is best to let a person decide on what holy text has the highest authority religion-wise for themselves.

It's not 'like' saying that. It is.

Regardless, to Muslims, the Qur'an is the highest religious authority. That's the unrefutable point that I made prior.

[Zenos]

It's not 'like' saying that. It is.

Regardless, to Muslims, the Qur'an is the highest religious authority. That's the unrefutable point that I made prior.

Well to me the Book of Pheryllt is the highest religious authority!

As long as people don't get loopy over it and go to telling others they are wrong then each to their own opinion and that what it is just opinion.

One thing i'd like to know is this how can a muslim say the Qur'an which is the word of God is not corrupted because it is the word of god,but claim the Christain Bible and the Jewish Talmud/torah is corrupted even though it's the word of God one to the jews the other to the Christians?

And also say that Jews and Christians have to convert to islam because it's the one true religion from god ,yet I know that it says in the Qur'an that god gave teachings to the jews by which to judge right from wrong and to guide them in this life and also gave the Christains the Injil (the gospels) for the same purpose.

I ask that because I overheard a muslim friend of mine telling a Christian friend of mine that he had to convert to Islam to get into heaven

[Capto]

Well to me the Book of Pheryllt is the highest religious authority!

As long as people don't get loopy over it and go to telling others they are wrong then each to their own opinion and that what it is just opinion.

One thing i'd like to know is this how can a muslim say the Qur'an which is the word of God is not corrupted because it is the word of god,but claim the Christain Bible and the Jewish Talmud/torah is corrupted even though it's the word of God one to the jews the other to the Christians?

And also say that Jews and Christians have to convert to islam because it's the one true religion from god ,yet I know that it says in the Qur'an that god gave teachings to the jews by which to judge right from wrong and to guide them in this life and also gave the Christains the Injil (the gospels) for the same purpose.

I ask that because I overheard a muslim friend of mine telling a Christian friend of mine that he had to convert to Islam to get into heaven

He's not a Muslim then.

Islam acknowledges a majority of the Bible and the Talmud as correct.

We don't force Jews and Christians to convert because, well, although they may be slightly misguided in our opinion, they are still children and adherents of Al-lah.

Most 'Muslims' you see in the media for whatever outlandish reason are misguided by their reactionary political agenda. On the other hand, you have nice modern Muslims like me.

[Zenos]

He's not a Muslim then.

Islam acknowledges a majority of the Bible and the Talmud as correct.

We don't force Jews and Christians to convert because, well, although they may be slightly misguided in our opinion, they are still children and adherents of Al-lah.

Most 'Muslims' you see in the media for whatever outlandish reason are misguided by their reactionary political agenda. On the other hand, you have nice modern Muslims like me.

Well I never trust the tv anyway.

But isn't it possible that thing shave been altered in the Qu'ran?

I mean after all I have two different copies of it,and neither copy uses the exact same words in their suras! Even though I was told that the Qu'ran is word for word the same no matter where you get it at I have two different copies each from a different printer and while like the different bibles out there the message is the same they are said differently when it comes to word for word translation in English.

[Capto]

Well I never trust the tv anyway.

But isn't it possible that thing shave been altered in the Qu'ran?

I mean after all I have two different copies of it,and neither copy uses the exact same words in their suras! Even though I was told that the Qu'ran is word for word the same no matter where you get it at I have two different copies each from a different printer and while like the different bibles out there the message is the same they are said differently when it comes to word for word translation in English.

The Qur'an is word for word the same everywhere.

The Qur'an is also only in Arabic. Any translation of the Qur'an is not actually the Qur'an, but recognized solely as a translation. That means all English, Farsi, French, whatever translations aren't actually the Qur'an. So yes, the Qur'an is always the same, but its translations from Arabic to English may differ depending on the translator.

[LouBerry]

1.) Love God
2.) Don't be a dick to anyone; parents, neighbors, disgraces of the human race, no one.
3.) Stand up for those who need it.
4.) Love yourself.

Basically, without all the interpretive shit that everyone argues over, this is what Christianity come down to.

[Miserabilia]

1.) Love God
2.) Don't be a dick to anyone; parents, neighbors, disgraces of the human race, no one.
3.) Stand up for those who need it.
4.) Love yourself.

Basically, without all the interpretive shit that everyone argues over, this is what Christianity come down to.

That statement is actualy really interpetive itself :P
But I like your take on it, sounds like you are a good person :yes:

[Lovelife090994]

Well to me the Book of Pheryllt is the highest religious authority!

As long as people don't get loopy over it and go to telling others they are wrong then each to their own opinion and that what it is just opinion.

One thing i'd like to know is this how can a muslim say the Qur'an which is the word of God is not corrupted because it is the word of god,but claim the Christain Bible and the Jewish Talmud/torah is corrupted even though it's the word of God one to the jews the other to the Christians?

And also say that Jews and Christians have to convert to islam because it's the one true religion from god ,yet I know that it says in the Qur'an that god gave teachings to the jews by which to judge right from wrong and to guide them in this life and also gave the Christains the Injil (the gospels) for the same purpose.

I ask that because I overheard a muslim friend of mine telling a Christian friend of mine that he had to convert to Islam to get into heaven

He's not a Muslim then.

Islam acknowledges a majority of the Bible and the Talmud as correct.

We don't force Jews and Christians to convert because, well, although they may be slightly misguided in our opinion, they are still children and adherents of Al-lah.

Most 'Muslims' you see in the media for whatever outlandish reason are misguided by their reactionary political agenda. On the other hand, you have nice modern Muslims like me.

Oddly the Quaran does say all infidels are to be doomedbut I dubt must Muslims go with tht idea as it really is written.

[Capto]

Oddly the Quaran does say all infidels are to be doomedbut I dubt must Muslims go with tht idea as it really is written.

Personally, as with many other Muslims, I consider Christians, Jews, and adherents of some other religions to be ′Ahl al-Kitāb and not Kafir.

[Lovelife090994]

Personally, as with many other Muslims, I consider Christians, Jews, and adherents of some other religions to be ′Ahl al-Kitāb and not Kafir.

Fair enough.

[Zenos]

The Qur'an is word for word the same everywhere.

The Qur'an is also only in Arabic. Any translation of the Qur'an is not actually the Qur'an, but recognized solely as a translation. That means all English, Farsi, French, whatever translations aren't actually the Qur'an. So yes, the Qur'an is always the same, but its translations from Arabic to English may differ depending on the translator.

oh ok