Arizona Businesses fight back

[AgentHomo]

Link here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-pizzeria-amazing-response-state-anti-gay-bill-article-1.1698524)

Arizona businesses are fighting back against a bill allowing homophobia and bigotry against LGBT customers. After the bill, created to allow businesses the right to refuse service against LGBT customers, had passed through both house and senate, local businesses within the state began their own outrage against the bill and the people who created it.

I think we should write up a petition recognizing Arizona as no longer a state until they repeal this bill and replace their entire legislator. Yes, McCain, that includes you too. And just to think that guy almost became President *gags*.

Dear republicans, this is why your party is so low in the shithole you shouldn't even be considered Americans. Once again, using religious ignorance to discriminate and be bigoted assholes! Please f*** off! </rant>

[Harry Smith]

The only good thing is that John McCain has came out and asked the governor to reject the bill.

It's fucking sicking though that this can happen in the 21st century, the republicans appear to be be happy being the anti-gay, anti-women, anti-environment, anti-minority party. Or in a shorter version the Guns Oil Party.

It's no different to racism

[Kurgg]

That just make me furious. I knew before that Republicans are bunch of homophobics and misogynist racist, but this is outrageous. When they will ban homosexuality or reinstall Jim Crow laws?

The only good thing is that John McCain has came out and asked the governor to reject the bill.

It's fucking sicking though that this can happen in the 21st century, the republicans appear to be be happy being the anti-gay, anti-women, anti-environment, anti-minority party. Or in a shorter version the Guns Oil Party.

It's no different to racism
I agree with you.

[mww113]

This bill is very dangerous, it could allow homosexuals to be turned down for essential services like healthcare, financial services, police, and fire. Not to mention it is mean-spirited and bigoted.

[Vlerchan]

http://www.governancecode.ie/images/rowOfPeople.jpg

There's a chance that one of the people in the above picture could be gay or lesbian. Do you have any idea? Because I sure fucking don't.

That's why this bill is stupid.

[Synyster Shadows]

image (http://www.governancecode.ie/images/rowOfPeople.jpg)

There's a chance that one of the people in the above picture could be gay or lesbian. Do you have any idea? Because I sure fucking don't.

That's why this bill is stupid.

That's exactly what I was going to say! How could a shop employee know if a customer is LGBTQ? They can't. What are they gonna do? Interrogate said customer? That's BS. I'm glad the businesses are fighting back against this bill.

[thatcountrykid]

Look whos being ignorant and stereotyping now. Im not talking about republicans

[Kurgg]

Look whos being ignorant and stereotyping now. Im not talking about republicans
If you are talking to me, I apologize for not knowing everything about a political party of foreign country.

[phuckphace]

I think we should write up a petition recognizing Arizona as no longer a state

yeah not gonna happen. if it did (it won't) it would be childish and petty - if people are only allowed to vote the way you want them to, why even have voting in the first place? this is a republic, people agree and disagree on different political issues for different reasons. in this case some people who are religious find homosexuality morally wrong, you don't have to agree with them but you also can't strip someone of their rights just because they disagree with you. (it goes both ways, see?) and it's always been that way so just live with it.

image (http://www.governancecode.ie/images/rowOfPeople.jpg)

There's a chance that one of the people in the above picture could be gay or lesbian. Do you have any idea? Because I sure fucking don't.

It's definitely the guy in the middle wearing pink. I bet he's sucked at least 20 dicks

[thatcountrykid]

If you are talking to me, I apologize for not knowing everything about a political party of foreign country.

Maybe look into it before calling me a racist.

[Deiform]

The biggest problem I see is they dont have any legitimate arguments against gay people. All there reasons are because it says so in the bible. Im sorry, but in america, we are not run by catholics. They legally cant make any decisions with reasons that are religious. I really dought Jesus would hate gay people. It also says in the bible to love people and be kind, so Im guessing then gay people are not even people because it apparently does not apply to them. Stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[Kurgg]

Maybe look into it before calling me a racist.
I'm not totally ignorant though, I know that Republicans have created laws that are discriminating like this, but I apologize if I have offended you in any ways.

[ksdnfkfr]

Unbelievable. Live right next to Arizona and always hearing crazy stuff about
it regarding its laws and law enforcement.

[phuckphace]

I still don't understand what the big deal is. Some people used their rights to vote in a way that aligns with their beliefs. that's part of living in a republic or "democracy", some people will sometimes vote in ways that some other people don't like.

and another thing, let's say businesses were allowed to discriminate against gays. well the only way they'd know you're gay is if you're bending over backwards (pun intended) to rub it in people's faces. if you keep your sexuality to yourself (it is a private thing after all) they wouldn't have any idea you're gay and you could still get a job. see how easy that is?

[Kurgg]

I still don't understand what the big deal is. Some people used their rights to vote in a way that aligns with their beliefs. that's part of living in a republic or "democracy", some people will sometimes vote in ways that some other people don't like
If people would vote for a genocide against another people, would you accept it?


and another thing, let's say businesses were allowed to discriminate against gays. well the only way they'd know you're gay is if you're bending over backwards (pun intended) to rub it in people's faces. if you keep your sexuality to yourself (it is a private thing after all) they wouldn't have any idea you're gay and you could still get a job. see how easy that is?
There the problem is. A regular business can not know their customers sexual orientation. However, in job interviews and other similar situations it could be asked, and that would lead into lying by the interviewed or discrimination by the company. The employees who lied in the interview could lie even more. After all, they got their job by lying.

[Harry Smith]

I still don't understand what the big deal is. Some people used their rights to vote in a way that aligns with their beliefs. that's part of living in a republic or "democracy", some people will sometimes vote in ways that some other people don't like.

and another thing, let's say businesses were allowed to discriminate against gays. well the only way they'd know you're gay is if you're bending over backwards (pun intended) to rub it in people's faces. if you keep your sexuality to yourself (it is a private thing after all) they wouldn't have any idea you're gay and you could still get a job. see how easy that is?

As I said before the Republicans have policies that the vast majority don't agree with, they're the anti-party. Anti-women, anti-gay, anti-environment.

Not really-if it's a hotel and two men wish to share a room/bed isn't that obvious? Why shouldn't I be able to walk into a shop holding my boyfriends hand in the same way that a straight couple would.

You shouldn't have to cover up your identity for homophones. Everyone should be equal-simple as that

Maybe look into it before calling me a racist.

In all fairness you have admitted to supporting the KKK, that's pretty damn racist. The GOP have a number of positions that are extremely racist-along with a majority of it's members

[phuckphace]

If people would vote for a genocide against another people, would you accept it?

any nation with the inclination to commit genocide wouldn't put it up for a vote, lol. what kind of goofy scenario is this supposed to be?

There the problem is. A regular business can not know their customers sexual orientation. However, in job interviews and other similar situations it could be asked, and that would lead into lying by the interviewed or discrimination by the company. The employees who lied in the interview could lie even more. After all, they got their job by lying.

but back in the day when society was more conservative, gay people had to do this all the time, it's part of what comes along with living in the closet. I know it seems impossible for us self-absorbed millennials to imagine, but living in the closet isn't actually some horrible oppression like y'all are making it sound. I've lived in the closet my whole life and it's not half bad, but then again I'm not desperately in need of attention.

As I said before the Republicans have policies that the vast majority don't agree with, they're the anti-party. Anti-women, anti-gay, anti-environment.

I'm not a fan of the Republicans either, trust me brah. They're a bunch of clowns. But saying "the vast majority" doesn't agree with them isn't really accurate, Republicans get elected all the time and their policies still attract a fuckton of support. And that's the key detail right there: they push for policies that their voters support. same goes for this Arizona bill, it came to pass because voters wanted it.

Not really-if it's a hotel and two men wish to share a room/bed isn't that obvious? Why shouldn't I be able to walk into a shop holding my boyfriends hand in the same way that a straight couple would.

and let me ask you from the devil's advocate side, why should you? do you really care all that much about something so petty? get back to me when gays start getting arrested and shot without a trial (never going to happen) then you'd pine for the days when holding hands in public would get you kicked out of a hotel

You shouldn't have to cover up your identity for homophones. Everyone should be equal-simple as that

well it's obviously not that simple at all, have you taken a look around you at how different people are? it's unpleasant but unfortunately that's reality. people have differences in beliefs, language, culture, religion, personalities, physical ability, IQ, etc., it's always been that way and there's no reason to think that's going to change anytime soon or ever.

[thatcountrykid]

As I said before the Republicans have policies that the vast majority don't agree with, they're the anti-party. Anti-women, anti-gay, anti-environment.

Not really-if it's a hotel and two men wish to share a room/bed isn't that obvious? Why shouldn't I be able to walk into a shop holding my boyfriends hand in the same way that a straight couple would.

You shouldn't have to cover up your identity for homophones. Everyone should be equal-simple as that



In all fairness you have admitted to supporting the KKK, that's pretty damn racist. The GOP have a number of positions that are extremely racist-along with a majority of it's members

I was supporting free speech and freedoms even for those whos views many hate.

[Kurgg]

any nation with the inclination to commit genocide wouldn't put it up for a vote, lol. what kind of goofy scenario is this supposed to be?
Yes, it souns silly, but according to you discrimination is justified if majority has voted for it. Just answer the question
but back in the day when society was more conservative, gay people had to do this all the time, it's part of what comes along with living in the closet. I know it seems impossible for us self-absorbed millennials to imagine, but living in the closet isn't actually some horrible oppression like y'all are making it sound. I've lived in the closet my whole life and it's not half bad, but then again I'm not desperately in need of attention.
I am too bi living in a closet, and I am happy whit this. However, there are different people who feel differently. Yes, I don't like it either that people always push their sexuality on their face, since sexuality is, after all, small part of humans personality. However, because of that, people shoudn't be discriminated.

[phuckphace]

Yes, it souns silly, but according to you discrimination is justified if majority has voted for it. Just answer the question

please tell me you don't actually believe discrimination is comparable to genocide in any way. I didn't answer your question because I figured it would be obvious enough. but how about this. I think the line should be drawn at the point when someone causes bodily harm to someone else. in other words, if someone is homophobic and assaults or murders someone else for being gay, yes they should be severely punished for it. otherwise, no phucks given. free speech and stuff

I keep seeing you guys say things should be like this or like that. I should have my own colony on Mars with a full staff of servants to bring me breakfast in bed but it doesn't mean I'm ever going to get it. hence why I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it

[Harry Smith]

I keep seeing you guys say things should be like this or like that. I should have my own colony on Mars with a full staff of servants to bring me breakfast in bed but it doesn't mean I'm ever going to get it. hence why I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it

I want gay people to have equal rights-it's as simple as that. Do you disagree?

and let me ask you from the devil's advocate side, why should you? do you really care all that much about something so petty? get back to me when gays start getting arrested and shot without a trial (never going to happen) then you'd pine for the days when holding hands in public would get you kicked out of a hotel

well it's obviously not that simple at all, have you taken a look around you at how different people are? it's unpleasant but unfortunately that's reality. people have differences in beliefs, language, culture, religion, personalities, physical ability, IQ, etc., it's always been that way and there's no reason to think that's going to change anytime soon or ever.

It's not petty-it's just the same as a Black and white couple wanting to do it in the 1970's. I accept that times have moved forward since the 1920's. I still think that positive progress should be made-just like how ethnic minorities were able to move forward after the 1963 civil rights act. If this was a bill saying you could refuse service based on skin colour it wouldn't of passed.

[phuckphace]

I want gay people to have equal rights-it's as simple as that. Do you disagree?

I just don't think it's a very important issue. there's so much more out there that we should be focusing on first. let's get our economy, education, healthcare and environment sorted before we worry about gay couples catching dirty looks on the street. ya dig?

by the way Harry, I just noticed your sig and wanted to point out that I'm a socialist too, although likely a different kind than you, lol. what I'm getting at here is that having a job that pays enough to live on and access to healthcare and education that won't bankrupt you seems like a higher priority than worrying about gay couples being able to have some corny ceremony in front of a dyke minister in a rainbow frock

[Harry Smith]

I just don't think it's a very important issue. there's so much more out there that we should be focusing on first. let's get our economy, education, healthcare and environment sorted before we worry about gay couples catching dirty looks on the street

But this is a bill that has to be vetoed in the next couple of days-equal rights are an important issue. I'm sick of people saying that we need to sort out x,y,z first-why aren't my civil rights important?

[phuckphace]

But this is a bill that has to be vetoed in the next couple of days-equal rights are an important issue. I'm sick of people saying that we need to sort out x,y,z first-why aren't my civil rights important?

we're getting ahead of each other on the editing and quoting, lol. but anyway.

how about looking at the big picture instead of just focusing on yourself? gays are a very small percentage of the total population. but the state of the economy, education and healthcare are more important because those affect everyone. gay marriage on the other hand is just a symbolic ceremony, big deal. you need to rethink your outlook because you're being really entitled when there are a lot of people out there who have it way worse than you do.

[Harry Smith]

we're getting ahead of each other on the editing and quoting, lol. but anyway.

how about looking at the big picture instead of just focusing on yourself? gays are a very small percentage of the total population. but the state of the economy, education and healthcare are more important because those affect everyone. and that's why I'm saying we should tackle those first. you need to rethink your outlook because you're being really entitled when there are a lot of people out there who have it way worse than you do.

I believe Blacks only made up a small percentage in the rural south, does that mean we should have ignored their civil rights in the 1960s? You do know that politicians can work on more than one issue at once right?

I know people have it worse than me-I'm still entitled to my civil rights am I not?

[phuckphace]

civil rights of any kind are just arbitrary marks on paper that don't exist until the government legally defines them and then grants them to you. you're acting like they have your rights physically locked in a vault somewhere out of your reach. in reality your hypothetical rights simply don't exist yet. blacks didn't have rights until the Civil Rights Act created them. same goes for gay marriage.

remember that we're all just hairless apes at the end of the day. rights don't come attached to our bodies at birth like you seem to think.

[Kurgg]

please tell me you don't actually believe discrimination is comparable to genocide in any way. I didn't answer your question because I figured it would be obvious enough. but how about this. I think the line should be drawn at the point when someone causes bodily harm to someone else. in other words, if someone is homophobic and assaults or murders someone else for being gay, yes they should be severely punished for it. otherwise, no phucks given. free speech and stuff
Genocide because of someone's specialities other stuff like that is all extreme forms of discrimination.

Free speech doesn't mean that you can commit hate speech. Free speech is that government doesnt restrict that right unnessessarily, such as censors media, for their own good. You can't attack certain people, but you can attack at their beliefs and words. You can't just go and say to press and television that in your opinion homosexuals are sick and unnatural people, for example. You can though say that homosexuality is unnatural and sick. But you have to stand behind your words.

[phuckphace]

Genocide because of someone's specialities other stuff like that is all extreme forms of discrimination.

like I said, bodily harm vs. no bodily harm. problem solved

Free speech doesn't mean that you can commit hate speech. Free speech is that government doesnt restrict that right unnessessarily, such as censors media, for their own good. You can't attack certain people, but you can attack at their beliefs and words. You can't just go and say to press and television that in your opinion homosexuals are sick and unnatural people, for example. You can though say that homosexuality is unnatural and sick. But you have to stand behind your words.

"hate speech" is another arbitrarily defined concept. there's no reason that it should be distinct from free speech, because if you put limits on free speech according to whether or not it will hurt someone's feelings, is it really free speech? I understand the point of the "fire in a crowded theatre" analogy, but crying over hurt feelings is for kindergarteners on the playground. people seriously need to grow up and learn how to deal with conflicting opinions and beliefs.

[Kurgg]

hate speech" is another arbitrarily defined concept. there's no reason that it should be distinct from free speech, because if you put limits on free speech according to whether or not it will hurt someone's feelings, is it really free speech? I understand the point of the "fire in a crowded theatre" analogy, but crying over hurt feelings is for kindergarteners on the playground
Are you fucking kidding me?
First of all, in what an ordinary person needs your "really free speech". If someone want to say something, he would try to say it without offending someone. If someone's getting upset for a normal act of expressing himself without attacking someone, he needs to deal with it. However, there are different people. I won't get mad if in television someone would speak for hanging of gays, but someone will.
It's not so difficult to attack someone's ideology or belief without attacking person himself. If someone can not do that, naybe he shoud not express his opinions in public at all.

[thatcountrykid]

But this is a bill that has to be vetoed in the next couple of days-equal rights are an important issue. I'm sick of people saying that we need to sort out x,y,z first-why aren't my civil rights important?


Man this bill doesnt even affect you. Why do you care.

[Zenos]

A business owner does have the right NOT to serve a person for what ever reason,but to not serve someone based on sexuality or gender orientation is the height of the "art of lowness!"

[AlexOnToast]

Man this bill doesnt even affect you. Why do you care.

The same way the black community worldwide would care if America brought back segregation. It's pretty blindingly obvious why he, and I, any honestly everyone should care. Human rights are everyones buisness.

[thatcountrykid]

The same way the black community worldwide would care if America brought back segregation. It's pretty blindingly obvious why he, and I, any honestly everyone should care. Human rights are everyones buisness.

I dont see why i should care.

[Zenos]

civil rights of any kind are just arbitrary marks on paper that don't exist until the government legally defines them and then grants them to you. .

Until the 70's the U.S.government went with the constitution in that all rights came from god,it was in the 70's that the supreme court ruled that your rights came from the Government!

So basically the supreme Court rules that the government was god seeing as your rights now came form them.

Well that's not a big surprise seeing as during the Civil WAR the U.S.Government was incorporated meaning it was no longer a government but a buisness

[AlexOnToast]

I dont see why i should care.

Because it's a human rights issue. Bare bones it's exactly the same as denying rights to someone because of race or gender. Would you care if they made it allowable for a buisness to deny service to a black man simply for being black?
It's exactly the same.

[phuckphace]

Are you fucking kidding me?
First of all, in what an ordinary person needs your "really free speech". If someone want to say something, he would try to say it without offending someone. If someone's getting upset for a normal act of expressing himself without attacking someone, he needs to deal with it. However, there are different people. I won't get mad if in television someone would speak for hanging of gays, but someone will.
It's not so difficult to attack someone's ideology or belief without attacking person himself. If someone can not do that, naybe he shoud not express his opinions in public at all.

no I'm not fucking kidding you actually. what sort of Pollyanna fantasy world are you living in here? people say offensive and hateful things because of the beliefs they hold and the personalities they have. you can take away someone's arbitrary right to hate speech all you want, but they're still going to hold hateful beliefs and thoughts. so at the end of the day has it really made any difference? gonna say no, probably not.

I don't particularly enjoy hearing someone being hateful but if we take away their rights to free speech, what else can we take from them?

[thatcountrykid]

Because it's a human rights issue. Bare bones it's exactly the same as denying rights to someone because of race or gender. Would you care if they made it allowable for a buisness to deny service to a black man simply for being black?
It's exactly the same.

Honestly no. If it doesnt affect me i wont worry about it. You guys are all for equality and no judging but as soon as someone dis agrees with you you jump on it. I got called a racist and a homophobe today because of the way i dress.

[drew6]

Don't

[Gamma Male]

It is my religious belief that being gay is wrong. I refuse to serve fags in my business.
It is my religious belief that being black is wrong. I refuse to serve niggers in my business.
How are these two statements any different? If we have legislation protecting minorities from discrimination, shouldn't we also have legislation protecting LGBT?

[Harry Smith]

Honestly no. If it doesnt affect me i wont worry about it. You guys are all for equality and no judging but as soon as someone dis agrees with you you jump on it. I got called a racist and a homophobe today because of the way i dress.

Okay-but has that been placed into law? No. I support full legal equality-us gays should have equal rights.

Also you have given racist homophobic views on this site.

[sparkles]

So much arguing over a bill that IS NOT LAW (yet) and likely won't be. It's bad for business and bad for the state.

[Kurgg]

no I'm not fucking kidding you actually. what sort of Pollyanna fantasy world are you living in here? people say offensive and hateful things because of the beliefs they hold and the personalities they have. you can take away someone's arbitrary right to hate speech all you want, but they're still going to hold hateful beliefs and thoughts. so at the end of the day has it really made any difference? gonna say no, probably not.

I don't particularly enjoy hearing someone being hateful but if we take away their rights to free speech, what else can we take from them?
There is a huge difference to think hatefully and speak hatefully in public. In first you keep your thoughts with yourself, in latter you reveal them to everyone else. In my opinion, one could anything he wants, even hateful things, just don't speak them in public. Besides, hate speech could provoke some people to move forward from words to commmitments. In your scenario, who could stop someone from provoking violence against some kind of people?

In my country it is unlawful to commit hate speech and attack certain people. It is legal though to attack their beliefs, but you can never say "AMERICANS ARE OBESE CONSERVATIVE MONSTERS WITH NO BRAINS", because that is considered hate speech. Yet, no one seems to whine about it, so is it really nessessary to have "really free speech"

[AlexOnToast]

Honestly no. If it doesnt affect me i wont worry about it. You guys are all for equality and no judging but as soon as someone dis agrees with you you jump on it. I got called a racist and a homophobe today because of the way i dress.

Right well that clears a lot up. You are one of those wonderful people who doesn't care about the wider world around them so long as it doesnt directly effect their own little life.

"You guys are all for equality and no judging but as soon as someone dis agrees with you you jump on it"
This is HUMAN RIGHTS we're talking about here, not some fickle opinions.
Yes, I am all for equality which you CLEARLY arent as you just spelled out.

And if you got called a racist and a homophobe, thats to bad but, well I'm sorry but you have to realise that going around with the attitude that you just displayed previously is going to draw negative opinions on you from the majority of sensible people.

[phuckphace]

you guys need to hop off countrykid's nuts. calling him racist because he disagrees with you is just juvenile.

[...]In your scenario, who could stop someone from provoking violence against some kind of people?

In my country it is unlawful to commit hate speech and attack certain people. It is legal though to attack their beliefs, but you can never say "AMERICANS ARE OBESE CONSERVATIVE MONSTERS WITH NO BRAINS", because that is considered hate speech. Yet, no one seems to whine about it, so is it really nessessary to have "really free speech"

how about laws that ban incitement to commit violence and conspiracy to commit murder? we already have those on the books. there is no physical harm caused to anyone by someone merely saying they think gays are disgusting. if someone says that, their opponents are just as free to say "well we think religious people are brainwashed and stupid." granted those kinds of slapfights are childish but people are people and they're gonna do what they're gonna do. trying to ban people from saying what they're thinking is really childish and at the end of the day doesn't solve anything.

P.S. Timo Soini is my homeboy. if you happen to see him irl please give him a good fist-bump for me.

[thatcountrykid]

Okay-but has that been placed into law? No. I support full legal equality-us gays should have equal rights.

Also you have given racist homophobic views on this site.

Im not racist. Im not afraid of gays. I may disagree with it but i dont hate them.

[Kurgg]

how about laws that ban incitement to commit violence and conspiracy to commit murder? we already have those on the books.
Yeah, but isn't banning some kind of speech conflicting with your concept of "really free speech"?
there is no physical harm caused to anyone by someone merely saying they think gays are disgusting. if someone says that, their opponents are just as free to say "well we think religious people are brainwashed and stupid."granted those kinds of slapfights are childish but people are people and they're gonna do what they're gonna do. trying to ban people from saying what they're thinking is really childish and at the end of the day doesn't solve anything.
No, it doesn't cause physical harm. However, it may cause physical harm, since there are different people. I wouldn't give any shits if someone says that gays are disgusting, and neither will you. However, for instance autists will take (as far as I have met them irl and on the net) insults really serious, and I know an autist who have tried suicide after being insulted(I don't know with what words, he's not gay though).
If someone acts childishly, why you have to act same way? It is far better to answer to a person who insults you like an adult, than insult back.

P.S. Timo Soini is my homeboy. if you happen to see him irl please give him a good fist-bump for me.
I disagree with his politics and his ways to promote them, and he lives in a different city than me, but I will try to remember.

[Harry Smith]

Im not racist. Im not afraid of gays. I may disagree with it but i dont hate them.

Well I strongly disagree with that based on your statments about the KKK and your support for them-they've done terrible actions over the past as I'm sure you know. Okay great you don't hate gays but do you think everyone should have equal rights?

As this is about businesses I'd like to ask every in favour of this-should LGBT businesses be able to refuse service to straight people? I'd love to hear your opinion on that-how would you feel if someone refused to serve you due to your heterosexuality.

It's also worth poiting out Arizona was the last state to accept MLK day back in the 80's, can't they understand that Blacks and gays should have the same rights in the state. Not everyone is a straight white christian

[PinkFloyd]

Yeah seriously... Fuck everything about the new law. I don't see any use for discrimination whatsoever.

[xandyx]

yeah not gonna happen. if it did (it won't) it would be childish and petty - if people are only allowed to vote the way you want them to, why even have voting in the first place? this is a republic, people agree and disagree on different political issues for different reasons. in this case some people who are religious find homosexuality morally wrong, you don't have to agree with them but you also can't strip someone of their rights just because they disagree with you. (it goes both ways, see?) and it's always been that way so just live with it.

So much this ^^^

[Harry Smith]

you guys need to hop off countrykid's nuts. calling him racist because he disagrees with you is just juvenile.



how about laws that ban incitement to commit violence and conspiracy to commit murder? we already have those on the books. there is no physical harm caused to anyone by someone merely saying they think gays are disgusting. if someone says that, their opponents are just as free to say "well we think religious people are brainwashed and stupid." granted those kinds of slapfights are childish but people are people and they're gonna do what they're gonna do. trying to ban people from saying what they're thinking is really childish and at the end of the day doesn't solve anything.

P.S. Timo Soini is my homeboy. if you happen to see him irl please give him a good fist-bump for me.

I called him racist because he's supported the KKK on this forum.

This isn't about stopping people having freedom of speech-it's about ensuring that businesses treat everyone equally-that's something guaranteed in the US Constitution but that's been kicked for the last 200 years.

I just think when I go into a business I should be given service no matter what, in the same way that I'm sure you'd expect to-how would you react if all business owners said we're not accepting straight people? Would you sit back?

[thatcountrykid]

Well I strongly disagree with that based on your statments about the KKK and your support for them-they've done terrible actions over the past as I'm sure you know. Okay great you don't hate gays but do you think everyone should have equal rights?

As this is about businesses I'd like to ask every in favour of this-should LGBT businesses be able to refuse service to straight people? I'd love to hear your opinion on that-how would you feel if someone refused to serve you due to your heterosexuality.

It's also worth poiting out Arizona was the last state to accept MLK day back in the 80's, can't they understand that Blacks and gays should have the same rights in the state. Not everyone is a straight white christian

I support the right to free speach if you even read thises posts or just went straight to assuming im racist. If they wanna refuse me buisness then thats fine. I'll go somewhere else. And a buisness can refuse anybody. Theydont have to provide service to anyone.

[AgentHomo]

I still don't understand what the big deal is. Some people used their rights to vote in a way that aligns with their beliefs. that's part of living in a republic or "democracy", some people will sometimes vote in ways that some other people don't like.

and another thing, let's say businesses were allowed to discriminate against gays. well the only way they'd know you're gay is if you're bending over backwards (pun intended) to rub it in people's faces. if you keep your sexuality to yourself (it is a private thing after all) they wouldn't have any idea you're gay and you could still get a job. see how easy that is?

I just want to ask you something, do you have a problem with homosexual auld being proud of who they are?! I sure have a problem with heterosexuals going out and showing off their love while homosexuals are discriminated against and can't even hold hands in public. Yes, when I walk into a public place, you may very well tell I am an out homosexual and very very proud of it.

In other news, the bill was vetoed. Arizona, welcome back to the United States. For now...

[phuckphace]

I just want to ask you something, do you have a problem with homosexual auld being proud of who they are?! I sure have a problem with heterosexuals going out and showing off their love while homosexuals are discriminated against and can't even hold hands in public. Yes, when I walk into a public place, you may very well tell I am an out homosexual and very very proud of it.

I'm gay myself but I find it obnoxious when other gays flaunt their sexuality in public knowing that it gets a rise out of people. it's infantile. gay people need to come to terms with the fact that most people are straight and many of them object to homosexuality for whatever reason, and respect that. have respect for others and they'll probably have more respect for you. but being Edge E. Edgemaster is only going to stir up more strife and antagonism.

[AgentHomo]

I still don't understand what the big deal is. Some people used their rights to vote in a way that aligns with their beliefs. that's part of living in a republic or "democracy", some people will sometimes vote in ways that some other people don't like.

and another thing, let's say businesses were allowed to discriminate against gays. well the only way they'd know you're gay is if you're bending over backwards (pun intended) to rub it in people's faces. if you keep your sexuality to yourself (it is a private thing after all) they wouldn't have any idea you're gay and you could still get a job. see how easy that is?

I just don't think it's a very important issue. there's so much more out there that we should be focusing on first. let's get our economy, education, healthcare and environment sorted before we worry about gay couples catching dirty looks on the street. ya dig?

by the way Harry, I just noticed your sig and wanted to point out that I'm a socialist too, although likely a different kind than you, lol. what I'm getting at here is that having a job that pays enough to live on and access to healthcare and education that won't bankrupt you seems like a higher priority than worrying about gay couples being able to have some corny ceremony in front of a dyke minister in a rainbow frock

I'm gay myself but I find it obnoxious when other gays flaunt their sexuality in public knowing that it gets a rise out of people. it's infantile. gay people need to come to terms with the fact that most people are straight and many of them object to homosexuality for whatever reason, and respect that. have respect for others and they'll probably have more respect for you. but being Edge E. Edgemaster is only going to stir up more strife and antagonism.

Then why the fuck do heterosexuals have the right to flaunt their sexuality? Please, tell me why I can't even hold my boyfriend's hand in public without having nasty looks. I'm not getting fucked by him on the sidewalk in front of a church. I'm simply walking around with someone I love. I see heterosexuals do a lot worse stuff and no one cares, yet I can't even hold my boyfriend's hand. Stand up for the rights of LGBT. If you don't then you are allowing the discrimination of you and the whole community to continue.

[phuckphace]

bro if you honestly think shoving your sexuality in someone's face is going to make them hate you less I've got bad news for you

[AlexOnToast]

I'l hold my boyfriends hand in public if I want. I'l give him a hug on the street. I'l give him a kiss on the park bench if I want.
I'm not doing it to get all up in peoples faces, I'm doing it because I have the right to show my effection to someone I love the same as any person.
If people have a problem, not my fault. I'm not going out of my way to annoy anyone.
And If they hate me for it, I don't care because life is too short for me to give a fuck what a random stranger thinks about some harmless thing I'm doing.

[AgentHomo]

bro if you honestly think shoving your sexuality in someone's face is going to make them hate you less I've got bad news for you

That's not my point. How ignorant it is to think I'm shoving my sexuality in peoples faces. The point is, why can't I enjoy being with someone I love and being treated as equal? How come heteroes can go out and make out, hug, and all that, and yet I get treated differently just for holding hands with my boyfriend? Do you not see the problem here? It's not about pissing people off, it's about enjoying life and love equally.