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Aajj333
February 22nd, 2014, 11:45 PM
I hate how people call Led Zeppelin, AC/Dc, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, ect. metal or calling The Clash punk rock or Nirvana grudge or Bob Dylan folk! It is all rock n roll! And its awesome! I feel like calling it metal or punk or folk is just downgrading it. Does anyone else agree or catch my drift? Its still rock n roll to me!

Typhlosion
February 23rd, 2014, 05:38 AM
But that eliminates the purpose of classifying music into genres: I won't have a clue what you like if you just tell me "rock n' roll" upon your concept. How would I suggest music to another person? While it might be correct saying that all the genres you mentioned are subgenres of rock (arguably maybe not metal) aren't you generalizing too much?

Plus, why applying the 'metal label' is downgrading? It's a whole genre of a tight ommunity who love their music and still do it formoney or not. Metal is far away from the mass-produced pop rock, is it fair to join those two genres into one?

By the way, how would that workfor people who don't like various rock subgenres? "I like rock n' roll, but only between the bands alike Metallica, Gamma Ray and Circus Maximus. You don't know Circus Max? Well,it's a type of rock n' roll with heavier guitars, complex instrumenting and many times long tracks. What? It has [i]nothing[\i] to do with the kinds of Necropahgist, they have melodic vocals and... Not opera-like Ayreon, no. More like..." > It's easier to say Ilike Thrash, Speed/Power and Progressive Metal.

It's too diverse and historically complex to re-label everything back to rock n' roll.

Miserabilia
February 23rd, 2014, 09:57 AM
I hate how people call Led Zeppelin, AC/Dc, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, ect. metal or calling The Clash punk rock or Nirvana grudge or Bob Dylan folk! It is all rock n roll! And its awesome! I feel like calling it metal or punk or folk is just downgrading it. Does anyone else agree or catch my drift? Its still rock n roll to me!

It's not rock 'n roll, it's most likely a sub-genre of rock, somewhere in between the two.

ksdnfkfr
February 23rd, 2014, 10:24 AM
I hate how people call Led Zeppelin, AC/Dc, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, ect. metal or calling The Clash punk rock or Nirvana grudge or Bob Dylan folk! It is all rock n roll! And its awesome! I feel like calling it metal or punk or folk is just downgrading it. Does anyone else agree or catch my drift? Its still rock n roll to me!

These are the cold hard facts from a music encyclopedia.

Led Zeppelin, genres: Hard rock, heavy metal, blues rock, folk rock.
Black Sabbath, genres: Heavy metal.
Ozzy Osbourne, known as: "The Godfather of Heavy Metal".
AC/DC, genres: Hard rock, blues rock, rock and roll.
The Clash, genres: Punk rock.
Nirvana, genres: Alternative rock, grunge.
Bob Dylan, genres: Rock, folk, blues, country, gospel.

Synyster Shadows
February 23rd, 2014, 11:56 AM
But that eliminates the purpose of classifying music into genres: I won't have a clue what you like if you just tell me "rock n' roll" upon your concept. How would I suggest music to another person? While it might be correct saying that all the genres you mentioned are subgenres of rock (arguably maybe not metal) aren't you generalizing too much?

Plus, why applying the 'metal label' is downgrading? It's a whole genre of a tight ommunity who love their music and still do it formoney or not. Metal is far away from the mass-produced pop rock, is it fair to join those two genres into one?

By the way, how would that workfor people who don't like various rock subgenres? "I like rock n' roll, but only between the bands alike Metallica, Gamma Ray and Circus Maximus. You don't know Circus Max? Well,it's a type of rock n' roll with heavier guitars, complex instrumenting and many times long tracks. What? It has [i]nothing[\i] to do with the kinds of Necropahgist, they have melodic vocals and... Not opera-like Ayreon, no. More like..." > It's easier to say Ilike Thrash, Speed/Power and Progressive Metal.

It's too diverse and historically complex to re-label everything back to rock n' roll.

This sums it up for me. It's too diverse to just call it rock 'n' roll

Aajj333
February 23rd, 2014, 11:32 PM
Tbh i dont even know the real purpose or reasoning behind this

Typhlosion
February 24th, 2014, 07:30 PM
Tbh i dont even know the real purpose or reasoning behind this Classification. In the same way you ask for a hamburger rather than simply asking "food", we try and group similar bands into "genres". If you wanted a cat for christmas, you shouldn't have asked for a "vertebrate". If someone says they're serving dinner for some money, you'd be curious on what the dish is made of.

All cats are vertebrates, but not all vertebrates are cats.
So...
Punk rock is rock, but not all rock is punk rock.

Karkat
February 24th, 2014, 07:38 PM
Yeah, to be honest I agree with everyone else. All of those are technically rock 'n' roll as well, but some people prefer Buddy Holly to Black Sabbath. Or maybe they like Coheed and Cambria, but not The Clash. Subgenres are good with telling what people like specifically. Technically it is still all rock 'n' roll, it just makes it easier to categorize, search for, etc.

Also, certain subgenres, like punk, have historical significance. Subgenres exist for an anthropological reason as well, just like there are different categories of classical music by era, we have modern music classified by era, sound, and influence.