What if Jesus had accepted Satan's offer in the bible?

[Zenos]

This isn't to tick any Christians off nor is it saying jesus and satan is real nor am I saying they do not are never did exist this is a what if,so think about it for a moment.

What if on the mountain Jesus had rejected his role as the messiah,when Satan was tempting and accepted Satan's offer of rulership of all that Satan had shown him?

Now keep in mind the he retained his charisma and other good attitudes, but is now wholly militaristic instead of being a pacifist,how do you think events would have played out?

[Lovelife090994]

This isn't to tick any Christians off nor is it saying jesus and satan is real nor am I saying they do not are never did exist this is a what if,so think about it for a moment.

What if on the mountain Jesus had rejected his role as the messiah,when Satan was tempting and accepted Satan's offer of rulership of all that Satan had shown him?

Now keep in mind the he retained his charisma and other good attitudes, but is now wholly militaristic instead of being a pacifist,how do you think events would have played out?

Jesus was not always wanting to hear he was the son of God. He was at first scared of it and probably in disbelief. Had he accepted Satan's offer it would have been overturned by God himself. I doubt Jesus was a full pacifist nor do I see him as would have been a militaristic person. It's hard to say what would happen.

[Zenos]

Jesus was not always wanting to hear he was the son of God. He was at first scared of it and probably in disbelief. Had he accepted Satan's offer it would have been overturned by God himself. I doubt Jesus was a full pacifist nor do I see him as would have been a militaristic person. It's hard to say what would happen.

But if god overturned it then that would be saying jesus had no free will and what would that say about the free will of humans in general?

[Lovelife090994]

But if god overturned it then that would be saying jesus had no free will and what would that say about the free will of humans in general?

That is a legitimate claim worthy or warrant. Problem is by Jesus going to Satan he'd be corrupt and God's plan of all humanity being able to be in Heaven would have been overturned! Christ died for our sins, but if he went into hiding or went with Satan then yes he'd have lived longer but also now the Bible's John 3:16 would be for naught. Jesus represnted a chance and like us was human, so while it is terrible that the Romans crucifed him, it would have been worse if his divine purpose was never fulfilled.

[Zenos]

That is a legitimate claim worthy or warrant. Problem is by Jesus going to Satan he'd be corrupt and God's plan of all humanity being able to be in Heaven would have been overturned! Christ died for our sins, but if he went into hiding or went with Satan then yes he'd have lived longer but also now the Bible's John 3:16 would be for naught. Jesus represnted a chance and like us was human, so while it is terrible that the Romans crucifed him, it would have been worse if his divine purpose was never fulfilled.

um this is a what if scenario,about how things would have played out if things went the other way remember that!

[Lovelife090994]

um this is a what if scenario,about how things would have played out if things went the other way remember that!

I know. I gave a scenario. Remember Christianity came after Jesus because without Christ I'd be Jewish, not Christian.

[tovaris]

Hmm how do we know jezus didnt make satans offer up?

[Lovelife090994]

Hmm how do we know jezus didnt make satans offer up?

I doubt people then would be lying if they saw Satan the Tempter. Plus, Satan was out to stop Jesus, so it makes sense that Satan would have tried something.

[AlexOnToast]

At least satan is a cool colour.

[Harry Smith]

I remember someone said that Satan was simply invented by Adults to get children to behave.

The idea that there is one evil man running around trying to get us to do bad things is complete bollocks, heck the Jews at the time say Jesus as a heretic and arguably he was the devil. It's so fucking perceptive. Wasn't Jesus God? Oh look I found a fault in religion

However assuming Jesus of Nazareth did accept the 'devils' offer what could he of done? I doubt he'd be able to find an army that would support a radical heretic but hey he could turn water into wine

[JamesSuperBoy]

This isn't to tick any Christians off nor is it saying jesus and satan is real nor am I saying they do not are never did exist this is a what if,so think about it for a moment.

What if on the mountain Jesus had rejected his role as the messiah,when Satan was tempting and accepted Satan's offer of rulership of all that Satan had shown him?

Now keep in mind the he retained his charisma and other good attitudes, but is now wholly militaristic instead of being a pacifist,how do you think events would have played out?

The same - We had or may have had Jesus and Satan - we defo had mankind
and all thier good and bad -

[Stronk Serb]

Hmmm, it would be interesting to see what would happen to the world, assuming Jesus was the son of God and God existed. But don't forget, power corrupts, and Jesus is both human and godly according to the New Testament, so...

[tovaris]

I doubt people then would be lying if they saw Satan the Tempter. Plus, Satan was out to stop Jesus, so it makes sense that Satan would have tried something.

you know satan isnt a bad guy

[Lovelife090994]

you know satan isnt a bad guy

At first Satan was not evil. He was Lucifer, whose name meant "light". He was very beautiful and an angel of God, but he defied God and Lucifer or Satan as he is called from the Hebrew word for adversary is indeed evil. He is a bad guy.

[Stronk Serb]

At first Satan was not evil. He was Lucifer, whose name meant "light". He was very beautiful and an angel of God, but he defied God and Lucifer or Satan as he is called from the Hebrew word for adversary is indeed evil. He is a bad guy.

What he wanted to do is independently live his life, like some less radical satanists do, unbound by religious codes, free to make their own set of moral values.

[Lovelife090994]

What he wanted to do is independently live his life, like some less radical satanists do, unbound by religious codes, free to make their own set of moral values.

True, some Satanists are peaceful. There are radical Satanists? Maybe you missed the price paid when being under Satan. Believe what you will, Satan is not to be trusted. I neither hate nor fear him. However, I know that Satan has no power here, Earth is man's domain and Heaven is God's domain.

[Stronk Serb]

True, some Satanists are peaceful. There are radical Satanists? Maybe you missed the price paid when being under Satan. Believe what you will, Satan is not to be trusted. I neither hate nor fear him. However, I know that Satan has no power here, Earth is man's domain and Heaven is God's domain.

I read that spoof about daemonic pacts and blood rituals. They can make a good horror story. Everyone describes Hell as a chaotic place. In Heaven there is order, God's order. I kinda think they are the same. Hell is forever changing, but there is no telling what will happen, you might burn or you might have plush bunnies raining from the sky, while Heaven is never changing, orderly and kinda dull, because it never changes.

[tovaris]

At first Satan was not evil. He was Lucifer, whose name meant "light". He was very beautiful and an angel of God, but he defied God and Lucifer or Satan as he is called from the Hebrew word for adversary is indeed evil. He is a bad guy.

How do we know that "defieing God" is necesarely a bad thing? He mght have vanted to do something good!

[Zenos]

At first Satan was not evil. He was Lucifer, whose name meant "light". He was very beautiful and an angel of God, but he defied God and Lucifer or Satan as he is called from the Hebrew word for adversary is indeed evil. He is a bad guy.

Wrong the satan you are talking about is a Christian invention,taken from Judiaism and enhanced with aspects of Ahriman from Zoroastrianism also called Zarathustraism, Mazdaism and Magianism,as well as pagan dieties from other religions.

Let's approach satan from the original Jewish vision of him:

Satan is primarily understood as an "accuser" or "adversary" in the Hebrew Bible, and is not necessarily the personification of evil that he would become in later Abrahamic religions. The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6. Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-,” English “the," is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the satan".


In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the Divine Council, "the sons of God" who are subservient to God. Ha-Satan, in this capacity, is many times translated as "the prosecutor", and is charged by God to tempt humans and to report back to God all who go against His decrees. At the beginning of the book, Job is a good person "who feared God and turned away from evil" (Job 1:1), and has therefore been rewarded by God. When the Divine Council meets, God informs ha-Satan about Job's blameless, morally upright character. Between Job 1:9–10 and 2:4–5, ha-Satan merely points out that God has given Job everything that a man could want, so of course Job would be loyal to God; if all Job has been given, even his health, were to be taken away from him, however, his faith would collapse. God therefore grants ha-Satan the chance to test Job. Due to this, it has been interpreted that ha-Satan is under God's control and cannot act without God's permission. This is further shown in the epilogue of Job in which God is speaking to Job, ha-Satan is absent from these dialogues. "For Job, for [Job's] friends, and for the narrator, it is ultimately Yahweh himself who is responsible for Job's suffering; as Yahweh says to the 'satan', 'You have incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.'" (Job 2:3)



Rabbinical Judaism

In Judaism, Satan is a term used since its earliest biblical contexts, to refer to a human opponent. Occasionally, the term has been used to suggest evil influence opposing human beings as in the Jewish exegesis of the Yetzer hara ("evil inclination" Genesis 6:5). Micaiah's "lying spirit" in 1 Kings 22:22 is sometimes related. Thus, Satan is personified as a character in three different places of the Tenakh, serving as an accuser (Zechariah 3:1-2), a seducer (1 Chronicles 21:1), or as a heavenly persecutor who is "among the sons of God" (Job 2:1). In any case, Satan is always subordinate to the power of God, having a role in the divine plan. Satan is rarely mentioned in Tannaitic literature, but is found in Babylonian aggadah.

In Medieval Judaism, the Rabbis rejected these Enochic literary works into the Biblical canon, making every attempt to root them out. Traditionalists and philosophers in medieval Judaism, adhered to rational theology, rejecting any belief in rebel or fallen angels, and viewing evil as abstract. The Yetzer hara ("evil inclination" Genesis 6:5) is a more common motif for evil in rabbinical texts. Rabbinical scholarship on the Book of Job generally follows the Talmud and Maimonides as identifying the "Adversary" in the prologue of Job as a metaphor.

In Hasidic Judaism, the Kabbalah presents Satan as an agent of God whose function is to tempt one into sin, then turn around and accuse the sinner on high.[vague] The Chasidic Jews of the 18th century associated ha-Satan with Baal Davar.

Dualism and Zoroastrianism
Some scholars see contact with religious dualism in Babylon, and early Zoroastrianism in particular, as having influenced Second Temple period Judaism, and consequently early Christianity. Subsequent development of Satan as a "deceiver" has parallels with the evil spirit in Zoroastrianism, known as the Lie, who directs forces of darkness

Christianity:

In the New Testament, Satan is a name that refers to a decidedly malevolent entity (devil) who possesses demonic god-like qualities.

In traditional Christian understanding of the holy Hebrew scriptures, the Torah, Satan is a synonym for the Devil. For most Christians, he is believed to be an angel who rebelled against God—and also the one who spoke through the serpent and seduced Eve into disobeying God's command. His ultimate goal is to lead people away from the love of God—to lead them to fallacies which God opposes. Satan is also identified as the accuser of Job, the tempter in the Gospels, the secret power of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and the dragon in the Book of Revelation. Before his insurrection, Satan was among the highest of all angels and the "brightest in the sky". His pride is considered a reason why he would not bow to God as all other angels did, but sought to rule heaven himself. The popularly held beliefs that Satan was once an angel who becomes prideful and eventually rebels against God, however, are not portrayed explicitly in the Bible and are mostly based on inference (e.g., Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14:12–17). In mainstream Christianity he is called "the ruler of the demons" (Matthew 12:24), "the ruler of the world" and "the god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4). The Book of Revelation describes how Satan will be cast out of Heaven, down to the earth, having "great anger" and waging war against "those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus". Ultimately, Satan is thrown into the "lake of fire", not as ruler, but as one among many, being tormented day and night forever and ever.

The early Christian church encountered opposition from pagans such as Celsus who claimed "it is blasphemy...to say that the greatest God...has an adversary who constrains his capacity to do good" and says that Christians "impiously divide the kingdom of God, creating a rebellion in it, as if there were opposing factions within the divine, including one that is hostile to God".

In other Christian beliefs (e.g. the beliefs of the Christadelphians) the word "satan" in the Bible is not regarded as referring to a supernatural, personal being but to any "adversary" and figuratively refers to human sin and temptation.



I'd also like to say this even though the Christian Satan is a myth for him to convince a third of the heavenly host to side with him shows he had a good reason!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Comrade Mike View Post
What he wanted to do is independently live his life, like some less radical satanists do, unbound by religious codes, free to make their own set of moral values.



True, some Satanists are peaceful. There are radical Satanists? Maybe you missed the price paid when being under Satan. Believe what you will, Satan is not to be trusted. I neither hate nor fear him. However, I know that Satan has no power here, Earth is man's domain and Heaven is God's domain.

Comrade Mike must be talking about laveyans,who are really athiests masquerading as Satanists seeing as they do not believe in a real literal satan.

But traditional Satanists ( people who believe in and worship a real)do have moral values but they are based on what is of benifet to humans.

I know. I gave a scenario. Remember Christianity came after Jesus because without Christ I'd be Jewish, not Christian.

Are you Jewish by birth?

If not then no you'd not be Jewish due to the fact the jewish religion,unlike other pagan religions was totally in opposition to the world view of the people of Europe of that day,so no Jewish religion,and that includes the first Christains who where Jews would have made no impact in the rest of the Roman Empire, it took 30 years after the detah of Jesus for Paul who never met jesus to revamp the Christian sect into something platable for none jews.

Stop double posting. -Cygnus David

[Lovelife090994]

Wrong the satan you are talking about is a Christian invention,taken from Judiaism and enhanced with aspects of Ahriman from Zoroastrianism also called Zarathustraism, Mazdaism and Magianism,as well as pagan dieties from other religions.

Let's approach satan from the original Jewish vision of him:

Satan is primarily understood as an "accuser" or "adversary" in the Hebrew Bible, and is not necessarily the personification of evil that he would become in later Abrahamic religions. The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,” as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6. Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-,” English “the," is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the satan".


In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the Divine Council, "the sons of God" who are subservient to God. Ha-Satan, in this capacity, is many times translated as "the prosecutor", and is charged by God to tempt humans and to report back to God all who go against His decrees. At the beginning of the book, Job is a good person "who feared God and turned away from evil" (Job 1:1), and has therefore been rewarded by God. When the Divine Council meets, God informs ha-Satan about Job's blameless, morally upright character. Between Job 1:9–10 and 2:4–5, ha-Satan merely points out that God has given Job everything that a man could want, so of course Job would be loyal to God; if all Job has been given, even his health, were to be taken away from him, however, his faith would collapse. God therefore grants ha-Satan the chance to test Job. Due to this, it has been interpreted that ha-Satan is under God's control and cannot act without God's permission. This is further shown in the epilogue of Job in which God is speaking to Job, ha-Satan is absent from these dialogues. "For Job, for [Job's] friends, and for the narrator, it is ultimately Yahweh himself who is responsible for Job's suffering; as Yahweh says to the 'satan', 'You have incited me against him, to destroy him for no reason.'" (Job 2:3)



Rabbinical Judaism

In Judaism, Satan is a term used since its earliest biblical contexts, to refer to a human opponent. Occasionally, the term has been used to suggest evil influence opposing human beings as in the Jewish exegesis of the Yetzer hara ("evil inclination" Genesis 6:5). Micaiah's "lying spirit" in 1 Kings 22:22 is sometimes related. Thus, Satan is personified as a character in three different places of the Tenakh, serving as an accuser (Zechariah 3:1-2), a seducer (1 Chronicles 21:1), or as a heavenly persecutor who is "among the sons of God" (Job 2:1). In any case, Satan is always subordinate to the power of God, having a role in the divine plan. Satan is rarely mentioned in Tannaitic literature, but is found in Babylonian aggadah.

In Medieval Judaism, the Rabbis rejected these Enochic literary works into the Biblical canon, making every attempt to root them out. Traditionalists and philosophers in medieval Judaism, adhered to rational theology, rejecting any belief in rebel or fallen angels, and viewing evil as abstract. The Yetzer hara ("evil inclination" Genesis 6:5) is a more common motif for evil in rabbinical texts. Rabbinical scholarship on the Book of Job generally follows the Talmud and Maimonides as identifying the "Adversary" in the prologue of Job as a metaphor.

In Hasidic Judaism, the Kabbalah presents Satan as an agent of God whose function is to tempt one into sin, then turn around and accuse the sinner on high.[vague] The Chasidic Jews of the 18th century associated ha-Satan with Baal Davar.

Dualism and Zoroastrianism
Some scholars see contact with religious dualism in Babylon, and early Zoroastrianism in particular, as having influenced Second Temple period Judaism, and consequently early Christianity. Subsequent development of Satan as a "deceiver" has parallels with the evil spirit in Zoroastrianism, known as the Lie, who directs forces of darkness

Christianity:

In the New Testament, Satan is a name that refers to a decidedly malevolent entity (devil) who possesses demonic god-like qualities.

In traditional Christian understanding of the holy Hebrew scriptures, the Torah, Satan is a synonym for the Devil. For most Christians, he is believed to be an angel who rebelled against God—and also the one who spoke through the serpent and seduced Eve into disobeying God's command. His ultimate goal is to lead people away from the love of God—to lead them to fallacies which God opposes. Satan is also identified as the accuser of Job, the tempter in the Gospels, the secret power of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and the dragon in the Book of Revelation. Before his insurrection, Satan was among the highest of all angels and the "brightest in the sky". His pride is considered a reason why he would not bow to God as all other angels did, but sought to rule heaven himself. The popularly held beliefs that Satan was once an angel who becomes prideful and eventually rebels against God, however, are not portrayed explicitly in the Bible and are mostly based on inference (e.g., Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14:12–17). In mainstream Christianity he is called "the ruler of the demons" (Matthew 12:24), "the ruler of the world" and "the god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4). The Book of Revelation describes how Satan will be cast out of Heaven, down to the earth, having "great anger" and waging war against "those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus". Ultimately, Satan is thrown into the "lake of fire", not as ruler, but as one among many, being tormented day and night forever and ever.

The early Christian church encountered opposition from pagans such as Celsus who claimed "it is blasphemy...to say that the greatest God...has an adversary who constrains his capacity to do good" and says that Christians "impiously divide the kingdom of God, creating a rebellion in it, as if there were opposing factions within the divine, including one that is hostile to God".

In other Christian beliefs (e.g. the beliefs of the Christadelphians) the word "satan" in the Bible is not regarded as referring to a supernatural, personal being but to any "adversary" and figuratively refers to human sin and temptation.



I'd also like to say this even though the Christian Satan is a myth for him to convince a third of the heavenly host to side with him shows he had a good reason!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Comrade Mike View Post
What he wanted to do is independently live his life, like some less radical satanists do, unbound by religious codes, free to make their own set of moral values.





Comrade Mike must be talking about laveyans,who are really athiests masquerading as Satanists seeing as they do not believe in a real literal satan.

But traditional Satanists ( people who believe in and worship a real)do have moral values but they are based on what is of benifet to humans.



Are you Jewish by birth?

If not then no you'd not be Jewish due to the fact the jewish religion,unlike other pagan religions was totally in opposition to the world view of the people of Europe of that day,so no Jewish religion,and that includes the first Christains who where Jews would have made no impact in the rest of the Roman Empire, it took 30 years after the detah of Jesus for Paul who never met jesus to revamp the Christian sect into something platable for none jews.

Stop double posting. -Cygnus David

I notice your previous post is doubled and can't be quoted so I'll say this. I follow God, no one can take that from me. If Jesus didn't fulfil his rite then Christianity would never exist but those who follow God would follow Judaism. Technically while to be Hebrew can be a race of people it is also a language and to be Jewish can be a religion. And no I am not Jewish by birth.

[Zenos]

I remember someone said that Satan was simply invented by Adults to get children to behave.

The idea that there is one evil man running around trying to get us to do bad things is complete bollocks, heck the Jews at the time say Jesus as a heretic and arguably he was the devil. It's so fucking perceptive. Wasn't Jesus God? Oh look I found a fault in religion


(first of all thanks for messing us a what if thread instead of going with the spirit of if,secondly just because one or two religions says saytan is bad does not mena theirs is the only view...heck check out the beliefs of traditional Satanism)

However assuming Jesus of Nazareth did accept the 'devils' offer what could he of done? I doubt he'd be able to find an army that would support a radical heretic but hey he could turn water into wine


Hmm like maybe pull together enough followers to start a rebellion?

True, some Satanists are peaceful. There are radical Satanists? Maybe you missed the price paid when being under Satan. Believe what you will, Satan is not to be trusted. I neither hate nor fear him. However, I know that Satan has no power here, Earth is man's domain and Heaven is God's domain.

lol


um remember Satan in that moment says he has ruler ship over the world,and further along in the New testament he is seen as the prince of this world,and the god of the world,so that being said if he's the Prince or god of this world then he can do what he wants without asking the Christian god otherwise their theology dealing with him as the god of this world is a lie

Merged double post. -Cygnus David

[Lovelife090994]

lol


um remember Satan in that moment says he has ruler ship over the world,and further along in the New testament he is seen as the prince of this world,and the god of the world,so that being said if he's the Prince or god of this world then he can do what he wants without asking the Christian god otherwise their theology dealing with him as the god of this world is a lie

True, Lucifer acts on his own accord because even him being God's creation has free will as I do. But Lucifer has no power to real Christians since in our beliefs our prayers thwart his every move.

[Zenos]

True, Lucifer acts on his own accord because even him being God's creation has free will as I do. But Lucifer has no power to real Christians since in our beliefs our prayers thwart his every move.

Um are you so sure?

I know a few Satanists who have hexed Christians,well an entire church actually,and everyone within that church started having various problems from health or marriage problems,so the claim that your beliefs and prayers can thwart him are unfounded.

Please don't get me wrong im not bashing your beliefs,it's some things said are not so and this happens to be one of them

[Lovelife090994]

Um are you so sure?

I know a few Satanists who have hexed Christians,well an entire church actually,and everyone within that church started having various problems from health or marriage problems,so the claim that your beliefs and prayers can thwart him are unfounded.

Please don't get me wrong im not bashing your beliefs,it's some things said are not so and this happens to be one of them

Why would a Satanist want to "hex" Christians? Funny you should mention that actually. Many think witchcraft impossible, but in some cases it does exist. True at times the devil and or his demons seem to squeeze through, but no one deserves a bad time. I know you are not bashing me. Even if you were bashing me I'd ignore it or address why you are in a question.

[Zenos]

Why would a Satanist want to "hex" Christians? Funny you should mention that actually. Many think witchcraft impossible, but in some cases it does exist. True at times the devil and or his demons seem to squeeze through, but no one deserves a bad time. I know you are not bashing me. Even if you were bashing me I'd ignore it or address why you are in a question.

Why would they do it,

their kids being picked on at school,by kids that are members of the church and their parents not stopping their kids for picking on them,

memebers of the church causing one of them to lose their job,trying to get their children taken from them over a difference in religion.

the church gathering on the highway infront of their house on holidays Halloween( aka samhian),and Walpurgis Night making enough noise with loud prayer and preaching and stuff of that sort to disrupt their holiday rites they where holding in their house

constantly leaving bibles and stuff from their church on their front porch when their is a sign by the drive in big enough letters people know they don't want religious materials distributed to them,

So yeh they where within their rights to hex the chruch

[Lovelife090994]

Why would they do it,

their kids being picked on at school,by kids that are members of the church and their parents not stopping their kids for picking on them,

memebers of the church causing one of them to lose their job,trying to get their children taken from them over a difference in religion.

the church gathering on the highway infront of their house on holidays Halloween( aka samhian),and Walpurgis Night making enough noise with loud prayer and preaching and stuff of that sort to disrupt their holiday rites they where holding in their house

constantly leaving bibles and stuff from their church on their front porch when their is a sign by the drive in big enough letters people know they don't want religious materials distributed to them,

So yeh they where within their rights to hex the chruch

Either way violence only breeds violence and not all Christians are bad or hex-worthy. Many do not like Halloween but have every right to. I have never met a Satanist... Well, I have once but he was a bully and everyone ignored him.

[Zenos]

Either way violence only breeds violence and not all Christians are bad or hex-worthy. Many do not like Halloween but have every right to. I have never met a Satanist... Well, I have once but he was a bully and everyone ignored him.

Well they wheren't violent about it,they didn't get violent with the Christians,as amatter of fact I tried to get the preacher to reign in his flock and his words where they shall convert are be run form the town.

I just shook my head and walked away

[Lovelife090994]

Well they wheren't violent about it,they didn't get violent with the Christians,as amatter of fact I tried to get the preacher to reign in his flock and his words where they shall convert are be run form the town.

I just shook my head and walked away

You do know that most Christians are not convert or die right?

[Zenos]

You do know that most Christians are not convert or die right?

It wasn't convert or die it was convert or move ,and yeh I know not all or like that but still there are too many out there that think they have the right too rule others.

I had a run in with some of that church over my following Druidry.

[Lovelife090994]

It wasn't convert or die it was convert or move ,and yeh I know not all or like that but still there are too many out there that think they have the right too rule others.

I had a run in with some of that church over my following Druidry.

This goes to the idea that those in the wrong speak the loudest.

[Zenos]

This goes to the idea that those in the wrong speak the loudest.

lol true true

[Lovelife090994]

lol true true

But I can't make the loud silent nor the silent loud to combat the misconceptions. I have met Satanists who would call meall but my name so obviosly that wasn't a good person. I have Christians who would call others names. I have met Christians who have been wrongly accused in front of me and Christians who were just silent on a lot. So much to say but not always saying it.

[Sydneyy]

If this were to happen then Jesus isn't God.

[Harry Smith]

T Lucifer has no power to real Christians since in our beliefs our prayers thwart his every move.

ahaha so by sending telepathic messages to God you somehow stop his rival from doing well-what if you pray for the devil?

I don't suppose you have any evidence for this?

[Zenos]

If this were to happen then Jesus isn't God.

but what if say he did actually exist but he is not God in the flesh but simply a saint and a holy man,and his followers fabricated the tale that he is God made flesh to match up with as many of the Old testament Prophecies as possible?

ahaha so by sending telepathic messages to God you somehow stop his rival from doing well-what if you pray for the devil?

I don't suppose you have any evidence for this?


Well on one had they actlike he's a god like or near god like being,but on the other had they deny his power,and act like they can sneeze rainbows and sunshine while praying and route Lucifer.

They have a very convoluted and contradictory theology/mythology set up and can't see where one thing contradicts the other.

Stop double posting. -Cygnus David

[Typhlosion]

We would have a lot more metalheads roaming the world....

[Srom]

Jesus would have sinned if He bowed down to Satan and then His role of dying on the cross and raising from the dead wouldn't be fulfilled if he had done that.