Two female cops attacked with a machete by man yelling ‘allahu akbar’ in Charleroi

[Exocet]

Will be waiting for the 'He was mentally bla bla bla'.

CHARLEROI STAB ATTACK Two female cops attacked with a machete by man yelling ‘allahu akbar’ outside police station in Belgium

TWO female police officers have been stabbed with a machete by a man shouting ‘allahu akbar’.

The cops were attacked outside a police station in the city of Charleroi this afternoon.

One is believed to be seriously injured with wounds to the face.

A source said: “She was rushed to hospital and is in a particularly bad way.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1564645/a-female-cop-has-been-attacked-with-a-machete-outside-a-police-station-in-belgium/

The Special One

[Flapjack]

Thank god none of them died!! If this happened in America, they would likely both be dead along with many others.

[dxcxdzv]

Exocet: You only connect on this site to post stories of aggressions from "non-natives"?

[PlasmaHam]

Exocet: Great job bringing in the news! People need to realize the threat that is overtaking Europe and the Middle East.

[Exocet]

Exocet: You only connect on this site to post stories of aggressions from "non-natives"?

See,I am reporting what's happening in multicultural and culturally enriched Europe. You don't like it ?

Exocet: Great job bringing in the news! People need to realize the threat that is overtaking Europe and the Middle East.

People are ran over,they are being killed in cold blood,they are dying because someone blew himself up,but I should act as if there was no problem and nothing happened. More than 230 victims in France alone,but everything is allright. :)

[dxcxdzv]

See,I am reporting what's happening in multicultural and culturally enriched Europe. You don't like it ?
I'm just a bit disturbed to see that a human is taking the time to search for specific stories of aggression to post them on one specific site.

[sqishy]

Will be waiting for the 'He was mentally bla bla bla'.


Evidently the man was "mentally bla bla bla". You say it better than I ever could.

I must also applaud you with your patience to wait for the next event that confirms your view that your country, Europe, and the Western World are currently in a persistent bloody battle from invaders, who intend to take down all of our civilised values and lives.

[Arkansasguy]

Will be waiting for the 'He was mentally bla bla bla'.

CHARLEROI STAB ATTACK Two female cops attacked with a machete by man yelling ‘allahu akbar’ outside police station in Belgium

TWO female police officers have been stabbed with a machete by a man shouting ‘allahu akbar’.

The cops were attacked outside a police station in the city of Charleroi this afternoon.

One is believed to be seriously injured with wounds to the face.

A source said: “She was rushed to hospital and is in a particularly bad way.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1564645/a-female-cop-has-been-attacked-with-a-machete-outside-a-police-station-in-belgium/

The Special One

Another wonderful example of the "religion of peace" in practice.

P.S. Women shouldn't be police officers. It's not right to have able-bodied adult men be protected by females.

[dxcxdzv]

P.S. Women shouldn't be police officers. It's not right to have able-bodied adult men be protected by females.
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[Arkansasguy]

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No. Men should protect women, not vice versa.

[dxcxdzv]

No. Men should protect women, not vice versa.

Oh, and... why?

[Arkansasguy]

Oh, and... why?

Because that's the natural order of things. Men are physically and psychologically more disposed to be protectors and providers, women are by nature more fit to be nurturers.

[Leprous]

My explanation: IT WAS FUCKING CHARLEROI.

Not kidding that place is a shithole. Like our own Detroit.

Also Exocet I agree with the rest. If a white man would attack two cops, would you care? Tell me.

Arkansasguy There are still enough chicks out there who could beat the crap out of the average guy just saying. Also you're saying they don't have the right to join the police? Is that it? Because in that case you're not exactly caring about gender equality.

Also, as someone who has been to Muslim countries before I can confirm that the natives to countries like Dubai are actually really friendly. What people don't seem to realise is that the European Muslims are the problem here, NOT all of them.

[AussieNicholas]

Because that's the natural order of things. Men are physically and psychologically more disposed to be protectors and providers, women are by nature more fit to be nurturers.

While I agree that men on average are stronger physically, I think than any woman that proves herself capable should be allowed to be a cop. Police are an important part of our society, and we shouldn't turn away anyone who is able and willing to take on the job.

[phuckphace]

I must also applaud you with your patience to wait for the next event that confirms your view that your country, Europe, and the Western World are currently in a persistent bloody battle from invaders who intend to take down all of our civilised values and lives.

if I were you I wouldn't snark too hard about it considering that some of your favorite things like "egalitarianism" and "not being thrown off a roof" are included in the "civilised values" of the West. those are always the first things to go after white people, as I have tirelessly warned for the entirety of my career in posting (to little effect, it seems).

it is an invasion, and like all battles there are casualities as a result (Lügenpresse: "isolated incidents THAT ARE IN NO WAY CONNECTED TO OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY OH NO") it would be sublimely ironic if the far-right ends up pulling the West from the brink of suicide just so that denial-filled leftoids can continue enjoying all that ~equality before the law~ that they're so gosh darn fond of

[Arkansasguy]

My explanation: IT WAS FUCKING CHARLEROI.

Not kidding that place is a shithole. Like our own Detroit.

Also Exocet I agree with the rest. If a white man would attack two cops, would you care? Tell me.

Arkansasguy There are still enough chicks out there who could beat the crap out of the average guy just saying. Also you're saying they don't have the right to join the police? Is that it? Because in that case you're not exactly caring about gender equality.

Also, as someone who has been to Muslim countries before I can confirm that the natives to countries like Dubai are actually really friendly. What people don't seem to realise is that the European Muslims are the problem here, NOT all of them.

No one has a "right" to join the police.

And lol at "gender equality", do you still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

[Leprous]

No one has a "right" to join the police.

And lol at "gender equality", do you still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

You don't care about the female gender being seen as equals don't you? Also people have the right to join the police, just like the right to do any other job.

[dxcxdzv]

Because that's the natural order of things. Men are physically and psychologically more disposed to be protectors and providers, women are by nature more fit to be nurturers.
And what is this "natural order of things" supposed to be? From where does it come? You think humans should limit themselves to strictly what Nature gave them?

And you're right, women belong to the kitchen. What a wonderful natural world.

[Arkansasguy]

You don't care about the female gender being seen as equals don't you?

Oh I definitely care. It's disturbing when grown adults (or near adults) still believe in such fairy tales.

Also people have the right to join the police, just like the right to do any other job.

No, PDs have the right to reject applicants, ergo you don't have the right to join.

And what is this "natural order of things" supposed to be? From where does it come? You think humans should limit themselves to strictly what Nature gave them?

And you're right, women belong to the kitchen. What a wonderful natural world.

It comes from human nature. I'm not sure what your third question is even supposed to mean.

[dxcxdzv]

It comes from human nature. I'm not sure what your third question is even supposed to mean.
It is pretty clear, your argument only stands on the belief of a defined human nature. Now, how do you define this human nature?

[Leprous]

Oh I definitely care. It's disturbing when grown adults (or near adults) still believe in such fairy tales.



No, PDs have the right to reject applicants, ergo you don't have the right to join.



It comes from human nature. I'm not sure what your third question is even supposed to mean.

They have the right to reject someone, that does not take away the right to join. Those things actually differ from eachother.

The reason people believe in it is because they want something to change. In the western world there is almost equality, why is it disturbing people want to believe in something that is not fully there?

Also Reise asked a good question just so you know, how is it human nature to lock a woman up in a kitchen and prevent her from doing things men do?

[Arkansasguy]

It is pretty clear, your argument only stands on the belief of a defined human nature. Now, how do you define this human nature?

Again, I'm not clear what you're asking. Human nature is the nature of the universal "human". If you're wanting an exhaustive description of all aspects of it, ask a positivist.

[dxcxdzv]

Again, I'm not clear what you're asking. Human nature is the nature of the universal "human". If you're wanting an exhaustive description of all aspects of it, ask a positivist.
So you are not able to define the concept on which you are basing your thoughts?

[Arkansasguy]

So you are not able to define the concept on which you are basing your thoughts?

I'm not able to reason with someone who's a positivist and doesn't know it, as I suspect you are.

[Leprous]

I'm not able to reason with someone who's a positivist and doesn't know it, as I suspect you are.

He simply asked you to define human nature. Something you are basing your debate on. If you want to convince us atleast explain yourself.

[dxcxdzv]

I'm not able to reason with someone who's a positivist and doesn't know it, as I suspect you are.
Fallacious.

[sqishy]

Women shouldn't be police officers. It's not right to have able-bodied adult men be protected by females.

Men should protect women, not vice versa.


And lol at "gender equality", do you still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

It's disturbing when grown adults (or near adults) still believe in such fairy tales [gender equality (?)].

Okay.
What is it about concepts of gender equality that are fantastical to a similar level of fairy tales and the tooth fairy?


Because that's the natural order of things. Men are physically and psychologically more disposed to be protectors and providers, women are by nature more fit to be nurturers.


It comes from human nature.

For the physical aspects, a trend perhaps. Not something natural, where exceptions are seen as unnatural/invalid.

For the psychological aspects, less so.


Human nature is the nature of the universal "human". If you're wanting an exhaustive description of all aspects of it, ask a positivist.

So (if I have read this correctly), human nature for you is that which is common between all humans.

I suppose you haven't seen women doing contact sports. The ongoing Olympics may help in that, as an introduction.

Are you a positivist?

I'm not able to reason with someone who's a positivist and doesn't know it, as I suspect you are.

I ask for clarity.


No one has a "right" to join the police.

What do you mean?

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I return to the on-topic part.

[QUOTE=phuckphace;3413766]if I were you I wouldn't snark too hard about it considering that some of your favorite things like "egalitarianism" and "not being thrown off a roof" are included in the "civilised values" of the West.

Those examples are not my favourite things, I do prefer them though yes.

The West could do a proper effort in actually doing the egalitarianism fully.

So not being in the West means that I should worry about people being thrown off roofs, right? I know, the statistics on this in the middle east show how this is a commonplace thing.

Simply for sake of clarity, what is within the realm of the West?



those are always the first things to go after white people, as I have tirelessly warned for the entirety of my career in posting (to little effect, it seems).

I sometimes don't get what you are saying, like here.



it is an invasion, and like all battles there are casualities as a result [...]


Well, they're not an army, and there would be major uprisings int he countries if they were coherently not wanted by the natives, so the point that they are not wanted is only subjective here.

Is it a battle? I have not seen the battlefield, nor the army dispatched to meet them in it, or any banners.

How many casualties? We are talking about millions entering.



[...] (Lügenpresse: "isolated incidents THAT ARE IN NO WAY CONNECTED TO OUR IMMIGRATION POLICY OH NO")[...]

Many are due to some entering not actually being refugees, with ill-intent. I've never said they were isolated incidents. If you were aware of my stance on the allowance of everyone speaking to be a refugee into the country, you would know that I am clearly against it! Your response here has missed its target.



[...] it would be sublimely ironic if the far-right ends up pulling the West from the brink of suicide just so that denial-filled leftoids can continue enjoying all that ~equality before the law~ that they're so gosh darn fond of

You can go do that. Good luck with the consequences.

(I'm no denial-filled leftoid.)

[PlasmaHam]

Okay.
What is it about concepts of gender equality that are fantastical to a similar level of fairy tales and the tooth fairy?

I think he is referring to the obvious mental and physical differences between males and females. There is no way true "equality" can be gained between the two sexes due to those differences. Note that I am not saying women are below men, or the inverse. But the differences between such make it impossible for true social equality and integration.

The physical differences are obvious. You mentioned the Olympics in your earlier post about women being able to do everything a man can, yet you failed to mention the obvious. Women have their own competitions separate from men, you try to make these groups equal by making the Olympics gender-neutral and you will see what would obviously happen.

And then there are those obvious mental differences. Now, I know that you will likely dismiss these all as "environmental factors due to years of gender roles etc..." but hear me out. Almost every brain scientist will admit that there are differences between the ways male and female brains work. They arguing over how vast those differences all, but they do exist. Look at the differences between employment for men and women. Women often excel in fields that deal with nurturing or empathy like nursing and teaching, while men excel in the fields based more on logic like engineering and science. Its not that one is lesser than the other, but it is that they have differences. Men are more likely to be successful in certain areas, and women the same. But equality like that of most feminists will never happen.

[Dalcourt]

Why do people just get so freaked out by crimes committed by foreigners of some kind?
I'm sure it would have hardly made it on more than the local news if a native had attacked them for whatever reason...

And it's sad that we have to discuss in this day and age whether women are fit to be police officers

[PlasmaHam]

Why do people just get so freaked out by crimes committed by foreigners of some kind?
I'm sure it would have hardly made it on more than the local news if a native had attacked them for whatever reason...

And it's sad that we have to discuss in this day and age whether women are fit to be police officers

Why do people get so freaked out over black people getting shot by police?

I'm sure it would of hardly made more news than the local news if a white person had been shot.

It's sad that people are still calling others racist in this day and age.

[Flapjack]

Why do people get so freaked out over black people getting shot by police?

I'm sure it would of hardly made more news than the local news if a white person had been shot.

It's sad that people are still calling others racist in this day and age.
I would still be horrified if the police were shooting unarmed white people.

[Dalcourt]

Why do people get so freaked out over black people getting shot by police?

I'm sure it would of hardly made more news than the local news if a white person had been shot.

It's sad that we have to keep calling people racist in this day and age.

Well I don't think that is reality it's just what media wants to tell us. discussed anywhere here. Not am

So I increasingly feel it's racist people that just want the public to think everyone is more upset if a colored is killed than a white to have a reason to bash coloreds and make racist comments afterwards...but that's just my 2 cents. From personal experience where I live people aren't more upset when a black is killed...it's just like "ah well anoher one" and they don't call the police racist...

But since it hasn't really to do with the original topic of the thread I won't go into detail.

[PlasmaHam]

I would still be horrified if the police were shooting unarmed white people.

Really? You do know far more unarmed whites are shot than blacks. Pretty commonly known. Yet you only start screaming on police brutality when it happens to a black guy.

We see things the way we like to see them. Condemning people for focusing on a minority yet praising them for focusing on another minority is hypocritical.

[Dalcourt]

PlasmaHam Flapjack
As I said above it hasn't to do really with the topic so maybe we need another thread if you all really feel like discussion race...racism and all that shit as you started talking about blacks and police again when I just talked about foreigners in general and female police officers

[Flapjack]

Really? You do know far more unarmed whites are shot than blacks. Pretty commonly known. Yet you only start screaming on police brutality when it happens to a black guy.

We see things the way we like to see them. Condemning people for focusing on a minority yet praising them for focusing on another minority is hypocritical.
Firstly, white people aren't a minority in the USA :D. I think you meant race. Secondly, how many of them were unarmed? How many of them had a toy gun in an open carry state and had a cop jump out the car and shot them dead with no questions asked? How many others have the gun that killed them auctioned off and sold? How many other cops that killed kids with a toy gun in an open carry state face no justice?

There is systematic racism in the USA.

The police training in the USA is probably the worst in the developed world, certainly worse than Europe. Cops are trigger happy, trained to take zero risk and to escalate situations. There is police brutality against whites and that is bad but that does not take away from what the black community is dealing with.

[Leprous]

Why do people get so freaked out over black people getting shot by police?

I'm sure it would of hardly made more news than the local news if a white person had been shot.

It's sad that people are still calling others racist in this day and age.

Because of the twats at BLM trying to justify a women shooting at cops telling her child to kill cops getting shot.

Not saying all of the shootings are actually with a proper reason though.

But can we get back to gender equality being a fairy tale here now? Racism is completely off topic here.

[Exocet]

No. Men should protect women, not vice versa.

If you want to know,my mother is a Gendarme,and she's as tough as her masculine colleagues,lmao.


Also Exocet I agree with the rest. If a white man would attack two cops, would you care? Tell me.

We are talking about a man screaming 'god is great' in arabic. It was religious motivated attack,you know that those cops are considered as kuffar ? Like all of us,they are a legitimate target for them.
Why are you guys always turning this into "if this was a white","if this was a man screaming "jesus my savior" ?

[Leprous]

We are talking about a man screaming 'god is great' in arabic. It was religious motivated attack,you know that those cops are considered as kuffar ? Like all of us,they are a legitimate target for them.
Why are you guys always turning this into "if this was a white","if this was a man screaming "jesus my savior" ?

Because your only posts on VT are dedicated to terrorism by people claiming to be Muslim. You literally wait untill this happens to post again that's why.

[Exocet]

Because your only posts on VT are dedicated to terrorism by people claiming to be Muslim. You literally wait untill this happens to post again that's why.

You and many people would want to see me posting threads like "good and innocent refugee finds 3 trillion of € in the street and hands them over to the police",right ?
Why does it bother you that someone reports what's happening currently in Europe ? Why are you acting as if there was nothing. 240 killed in my country over the last 18 months,32 in yours,there's nothing wrong,right ?

[dxcxdzv]

You and many people would want to see me posting threads like "good and innocent refugee finds 3 trillion of € in the street and hands them over to the police",right ?
Why does it bother you that someone reports what's happening currently in Europe ? Why are you acting as if there was nothing. 240 killed in my country over the last 18 months,32 in yours,there's nothing wrong,right ?
This is not the point being made.

If I reported every suicide occurring in Paris that would be just as disturbing.
The problem is that you seem to really wait for the next event that makes you think you are right. The fact that those are aggressions involving deaths is also disturbing.
I do not criticize news reporting in itself, as you think I am doing.

[Leprous]

You and many people would want to see me posting threads like "good and innocent refugee finds 3 trillion of € in the street and hands them over to the police",right ?
Why does it bother you that someone reports what's happening currently in Europe ? Why are you acting as if there was nothing. 240 killed in my country over the last 18 months,32 in yours,there's nothing wrong,right ?

I am not acting like nothing happened. Our fucking airport got bombed I am well aware of that. What does bother me is that you only ever post on VT just to comment on terrorism by people who think they are Muslims so you can bash the Muslim community for the acts of these fucks. You seem to think every Muslim and refugee is a bad person which bothers me even more.

[sqishy]

I think he is referring to the obvious mental and physical differences between males and females. There is no way true "equality" can be gained between the two sexes due to those differences. Note that I am not saying women are below men, or the inverse. But the differences between such make it impossible for true social equality and integration.

The physical differences are obvious. You mentioned the Olympics in your earlier post about women being able to do everything a man can, yet you failed to mention the obvious. Women have their own competitions separate from men, you try to make these groups equal by making the Olympics gender-neutral and you will see what would obviously happen.

And then there are those obvious mental differences. Now, I know that you will likely dismiss these all as "environmental factors due to years of gender roles etc..." but hear me out. Almost every brain scientist will admit that there are differences between the ways male and female brains work. They arguing over how vast those differences all, but they do exist. Look at the differences between employment for men and women. Women often excel in fields that deal with nurturing or empathy like nursing and teaching, while men excel in the fields based more on logic like engineering and science. Its not that one is lesser than the other, but it is that they have differences. Men are more likely to be successful in certain areas, and women the same. But equality like that of most feminists will never happen.

I am not talking about concepts of gender equality that see everyone being treated exactly the same in every aspect of life regardless of their gender.

Instead I am talking about concepts of gender equality that see gender as irrelevant in certain aspects of life, such as with serving the police force.

It is unreasonable to think that humanity should be maintained so that there is universally no difference between genders, I agree.

However, I also see it as unreasonable to think that no aspect of humanity should be maintained where there is no difference between genders in those aspects, as I feel Arkansasguy is saying.

I said 'concepts of gender equality' in general in my response to him, because I cannot understand why (as I see it) none of them are justifed in his view.


Why do people get so freaked out over black people getting shot by police?

Because the statistics on this are so much greater than white people being shot. Every event is interpreted as being part of this trend. Sure, it may generalise too far, but it still shows the trend.



I'm sure it would of hardly made more news than the local news if a white person had been shot.

For reasons above; people and the media tend to concentrate attention on certain larger problems, which does take away some needed concentration on the larger number of smaller problems sometimes, granted.



It's sad that people are still calling others racist in this day and age.

Indeed, along with people actually being so.


Really? You do know far more unarmed whites are shot than blacks. Pretty commonly known. Yet you only start screaming on police brutality when it happens to a black guy.

You need to bring evidence that opposes the evidence against what you're saying.

I am by no means screaming about police brutality when only directed at black people. It's a serious problem in general; it happens to occur more often at black people, which will show me responding more to that case-by-case as it were.



We see things the way we like to see them. Condemning people for focusing on a minority yet praising them for focusing on another minority is hypocritical.

It's another problem where some of human nature has gone too far.


If you want to know,my mother is a Gendarme,and she's as tough as her masculine colleagues,lmao.

Arkansasguy PlasmaHam

One of many, many examples of what I was going to get to.



We are talking about a man screaming 'god is great' in arabic.

We could talk about the millions who scream similar things in southern US in english or spanish...


It was religious motivated attack,you know that those cops are considered as kuffar ? Like all of us,they are a legitimate target for them.

The religion was a good backstory to justify the man's probable insane mental frame of mind. Even if he was brought to this mental frame through the religious indoctrination, the religion was still only a convenient scaffold for stringing loads of hate and anger-filled symbolism into his mind.



Why are you guys always turning this into "if this was a white","if this was a man screaming "jesus my savior" ?

Major proportions of the US population who backed the invasion of Iraq were evangelical protestants, especially the pentecostals, or of some other relatively extremist highly-emotive faith.


You and many people would want to see me posting threads like "good and innocent refugee finds 3 trillion of € in the street and hands them over to the police",right ?
Why does it bother you that someone reports what's happening currently in Europe ? Why are you acting as if there was nothing. 240 killed in my country over the last 18 months,32 in yours,there's nothing wrong,right ?

The Special One , Peanut_ , The Special One and Reise have a point with what they have said.

It bothers me in that you appear to be very much driven in a confirmation bias to show the clear and present invasion of Muslims into our very existence. Most of your posts are about this. You say you intend to report what is happening currently in Europe, but you've never said anything about the shooting in Spain yesterday, nor the attempted burning of a refugee camp some days back by someone who falsely presented himself as a refugee, among many other things.

[Arkansasguy]

If you want to know,my mother is a Gendarme,and she's as tough as her masculine colleagues,lmao.

And? Personal anecdotes are personal anecdotes.

I figured a traditionalist like yourself would agree that women should not be placed in society's protective roles.

[Leprous]

And? Personal anecdotes are personal anecdotes.

I figured a traditionalist like yourself would agree that women should not be placed in society's protective roles.

I love how that is the only thing you reply to after like, a wall of text.

What you are doing is taking away the right from women to get a job they want to. If they want to be a cop then why shouldn't they? If they want to join the military they have the right and the ability to. It's like saying I can't become a ballet dancer because I should use my 'physical advantage' over woman to serve in the army. Because I'm starting to feel like that's what you'll be saying next.

So women can't be boxers? Because women are weak and shouldn't be doing a sport that involves fighting right? So women shouldn't be teachers? Because it is also a teacher's job to PROTECT their students. Isn't that a protective role? A woman is not allowed to protect people trough a job because of a simple thing called 'gender'?

Also, about the 'personal anecdote'. There are quite allot of them, a whole lot actually. There are other people with female family members in the cops, this is a direct example and is actually relevant in this case.

[ethan-s]

This can't be possible... Islam is a religion of peace- yeah right.


Just to the record I don't hate muslims, I dislike islam.

[Leprous]

This can't be possible... Islam is a religion of peace- yeah right.


Just to the record I don't hate muslims, I dislike islam.

The problem here is these idiots don't follow the Islam, yoi should know this.

Fun fact, a Christian couple living in ISIS territory were asked to say a verse of the quran to ISIS soldier in order to pass, they used a bible one and were let trough.

This has NOTHING to do with Islam, only with money. Half these guys don't even know what they are fighting for. Like brexit voters really.

Like Christianity is such an innocent religion...because they truly are a religion of love and care and forgiveness.

[PlasmaHam]

The problem here is these idiots don't follow the Islam, yoi should know this.

Fun fact, a Christian couple living in ISIS territory were asked to say a verse of the quran to ISIS soldier in order to pass, they used a bible one and were let trough.

This has NOTHING to do with Islam, only with money. Half these guys don't even know what they are fighting for. Like brexit voters really.

Like Christianity is such an innocent religion...because they truly are a religion of love and care and forgiveness.

You know Islam literally means Submission? And that Mohammed himself lead a very similar campaign to the modern ISIS war? Muslims will tell you today that the Koran forbids the killing of innocent people. That sounds all nice and fuzzy until you realize that under Islamic law, those who refuse, mock, or put a stumbling block in front of Mohammed or Islam are not innocent, but guilty.

ISIS literally takes steel cages, throws in 25 Christians, and dumps the cage in the river. Once the bubbling stops after 5-10 minutes, they pull up the dead bodies and refills the cage. They literally pray for the downfall of America and Israel every Friday publicly, and the community agrees. Christians are being beheaded for their faith. And how many churches are in Saudi Arabia, the main supporter of ISIS?

People keep comparing Christianity and Islam. That's like apples and oranges. Lets just look at the leaders. Mohammed was a pedophile, Jesus never married or had sex. Mohammed built an Earthly kingdom, Jesus built a Heavenly one. Mohammed sent men to die for him, Jesus died for all men. Mohammed was a confirmed liar and cheater, Jesus never sinned. Mohammed taught of wrath and destruction towards unbelievers, Jesus taught of the salvation and mercy towards all. Mohammed's last words were condemning the unbelievers, Jesus' last words were forgiving the unbelievers. I really challenge anyone to point out any Christian teaching worse than Islamic.

[Leprous]

PlasmaHam It also means peace and safety, just so you know. (I know, I know). Didn't the Christians murder everyone who wasn't a Christian aswell? Didn't they force people to admit they had a different religion trough torture? They're not exactly clean either you know.

Also Jesus did sin actually (check your facts m8), well....'facts').

Also, this is about saying all Muslims are bad people, not Islam in general. No religion has a clean slate. This is about the people that are being seen as beasts, as monsters because of their beliefs. You wouldn't like being hated because of your religion would you?

[Flapjack]

You know Islam literally means Submission? And that Mohammed himself lead a very similar campaign to the modern ISIS war? Muslims will tell you today that the Koran forbids the killing of innocent people. That sounds all nice and fuzzy until you realize that under Islamic law, those who refuse, mock, or put a stumbling block in front of Mohammed or Islam are not innocent, but guilty.

ISIS literally takes steel cages, throws in 25 Christians, and dumps the cage in the river. Once the bubbling stops after 5-10 minutes, they pull up the dead bodies and refills the cage. They literally pray for the downfall of America and Israel every Friday publicly, and the community agrees. Christians are being beheaded for their faith. And how many churches are in Saudi Arabia, the main supporter of ISIS?

People keep comparing Christianity and Islam. That's like apples and oranges. Lets just look at the leaders. Mohammed was a pedophile, Jesus never married or had sex. Mohammed built an Earthly kingdom, Jesus built a Heavenly one. Mohammed sent men to die for him, Jesus died for all men. Mohammed was a confirmed liar and cheater, Jesus never sinned. Mohammed taught of wrath and destruction towards unbelievers, Jesus taught of the salvation and mercy towards all. Mohammed's last words were condemning the unbelievers, Jesus' last words were forgiving the unbelievers. I really challenge anyone to point out any Christian teaching worse than Islamic.
Those following Christianity and Islam have both done terrible things and both the majority of followers of both Islam and Christianity are perfectly nice people.

Ya know if all the Muslims were actually evil.... we'd be dead... 'cos there is 1 billion of them :D:D:D

Yes them homophobic, sexist, transphobic and pedophilic christian leaders are sooo much better because why? They let you use a condom to avoid the zika virus?

[PlasmaHam]

PlasmaHam It also means peace and safety, just so you know. (I know, I know). Didn't the Christians murder everyone who wasn't a Christian aswell? Didn't they force people to admit they had a different religion trough torture? They're not exactly clean either you know.


I don't think you understood, Islam, the name, literally means submission. I'm not just saying that, the name Islam literally means submission, which normally doesn't come from peace, but from war.

That is Catholicism, debates could be done over that.


Also Jesus did sin actually (check your facts m8), well....'facts').

Really? I would like to see the proof of that. He definitely wasn't a child molester and murderer though.


Also, this is about saying all Muslims are bad people, not Islam in general. No religion has a clean slate. This is about the people that are being seen as beasts, as monsters because of their beliefs. You wouldn't like being hated because of your religion would you?

No one is saying all Muslims are bad people, you are just trying to shift the focus. But when you have a religion teaching people that anyone who opposes it is worthy of Earthly punishment, you are going to have some problems once they get out of their religiously ruled countries. Muslims are either going to have to abandon some principles, becoming the so called "moderates" or become terrorists. Christians don't have that problem. Islam has had that problem for the last 1400 years.
mattsmith48 said he hates religious people who bring it up in public, so I guess I'm already hated for my religion. Obama last year did a whole speech condemning Christians and praising Muslims over the Crusades. I wouldn't be surprised if certain people on this site hated me for what I've said.

[Flapjack]

Really? I would like to see the proof of that. .
My reaction to the whole bible xD

No one is saying all Muslims are bad people,
Trump is. Many right-wingers in the USA are.

But when you have a religion teaching people that anyone who opposes it is worthy of Earthly punishment, you are going to have some problems
Because a religion that preaches homosexuality and sexism is fine?

Ya know Christianity was used for centuries to justify wars and executions.

[Leprous]

PlasmaHam I know what it means. Quite allot of Muslims actually respect other religions.

Proof for the sins of mr. Jesus? Well from what I found he could have sinned and would probably have. Let's be honest here, as a historical figure he was real. As a man who never in his life sinned he didn't. A perfect human being does not excist and never has.

Christians don't have that problem? What about all the people murdered in the middle ages because they had a different religion and Christians weren't willing to let go of the fact they were 'perfect'?

[PlasmaHam]

My reaction to the whole bible xD
I would like to see some proof of the Big Bang or whatever universe creating thing people have made up now. You response totally ignored the point of my question.


Because a religion that preaches homosexuality and sexism is fine?

What religion are you talking about? The most recent interpretation of Scientology or Satanism?

Ya know Christianity was used for centuries to justify wars and executions.

The difference is that the Bible doesn't tell Christians to kill unbelievers, unlike some other religious book. Again, that is Catholicism, any real research will show that group deviated greatly from Biblical teachings centuries ago. Lets just talk about the modern day.

PlasmaHam I know what it means. Quite allot of Muslims actually respect other religions.

Proof for the sins of mr. Jesus? Well from what I found he could have sinned and would probably have. Let's be honest here, as a historical figure he was real. As a man who never in his life sinned he didn't. A perfect human being does not excist and never has.

Christians don't have that problem? What about all the people murdered in the middle ages because they had a different religion and Christians weren't willing to let go of the fact they were 'perfect'?

If Muslims do respect other religions then I expect Muslim countries to have such a diverse religious population.

As a religious figure, as Christians see Jesus, he was sinless. You are right that there is no perfect man, because Jesus wasn't man, but God in the flesh of a man. That's all that really matters.

Christians don't have a problem today adapting to other cultures contrary to their own. Sure, Christians don't agree with certain politics, but they deal with it.

[Flapjack]

I would like to see some proof of the Big Bang or whatever universe creating thing people have made up now. You response totally ignored the point of my question.

Red shift? Evolution?

What religion are you talking about? The most recent interpretation of Scientology or Satanism?


Christianity.

The difference is that the Bible doesn't tell Christians to kill unbelievers, unlike some other religious book. Again, that is Catholicism, any real research will show that group deviated greatly from Biblical teachings centuries ago. Lets just talk about the modern day.

So ignore all the evil of Christianity of the past? Okay, abortion clinic shooter, homophobia, transphobia, sexism and pedophilia?

Did you know God sometimes approves of killing newborn babies to punish stories?

This is why we need a secular state that endorses no religion.

[Leprous]

PlasmaHam As far as I'm aware scientology isn't an actualy religion and Satanism is 10 times more peacefull than Christianity.

[Flapjack]

@PlasmaHam (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=122733) As far as I'm aware scientology isn't an actualy religion and Satanism is 10 times more peacefull than Christianity.
But Christians aren't brown so they can't be bad!!

[Jinglebottom]

But Christians aren't brown so they can't be bad!!
?
You've got Christians (and Muslims) of every race, from white to brown to black to yellow to whatever. Religion does not dictate your race. Not all Muslims are "brown" and not all Christians are "white", that's an awful and extremely ignorant generalization to make.

[Flapjack]

?
You've got Christians (and Muslims) of every race, from white to brown to black to yellow to whatever. Religion does not dictate your race. Not all Muslims are "brown" and not all Christians are "white", that's an awful and extremely ignorant generalization to make.
I knowww Bob I was poking fun at it!!:)

[mattsmith48]

Really? I would like to see the proof of that. He definitely wasn't a child molester and murderer though.

PlasmaHam The Special One you do realize your arguing whether a fictional character did something bad right? Next week's debate is Santa just a nice guy who wants to make kids happy by giving them presents or is he doing that to get close to kids to molest them? Can't wait.


No one is saying all Muslims are bad people, you are just trying to shift the focus. But when you have a religion teaching people that anyone who opposes it is worthy of Earthly punishment, you are going to have some problems once they get out of their religiously ruled countries. Muslims are either going to have to abandon some principles, becoming the so called "moderates" or become terrorists. Christians don't have that problem. Islam has had that problem for the last 1400 years.

You say that like christians never did anything bad.

mattsmith48 said he hates religious people who bring it up in public, so I guess I'm already hated for my religion. Obama last year did a whole speech condemning Christians and praising Muslims over the Crusades. I wouldn't be surprised if certain people on this site hated me for what I've said.

Crusades were kinda a bad thing I don't know why you hate on Obama for saying that.

[Meron]

"Yey let's blame this on Islam in general!"

...Go fuck yourself.

[PlasmaHam]

Crusades were kinda a bad thing I don't know why you hate on Obama for saying that.

By your logic declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor was also a bad thing. The Japanese have a right to take our land and murder our people. Yea.

PlasmaHam @TheSpecialOne you do realize your arguing whether a fictional character did something bad right? Next week's debate is Santa just a nice guy who wants to make kids happy by giving them presents or is he doing that to get close to kids to molest them? Can't wait.

You do realize that Jesus was a real person? Almost all historians know that. We know Jesus lived, the part about him being God is up for debate.

[Flapjack]

By your logic declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor was also a bad thing. The Japanese have a right to take our land and murder our people. Yea.

You don't know what the crusades were about, do you?

[PlasmaHam]

You don't know what the crusades were about, do you?

Let me think, Muslim forces capture all of a previously Christian dominated Middle-East through force. Over 4 million Christian men were massacred in Egypt alone. Eventually Muslim forces start attacking Eastern Europe, thus European countries respond to the approaching threat.

[mattsmith48]

By your logic declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor was also a bad thing. The Japanese have a right to take our land and murder our people. Yea.

The US were only defending themself but nuking them was a bad thing.



You do realize that Jesus was a real person? Almost all historians know that. We know Jesus lived, the part about him being God is up for debate.

There is no evidence that Jesus really existed.

[Porpoise101]

There is no evidence that Jesus really existed.
There is some evidence that we can use to determine that Jesus most likely existed. First off, we have the Bible. We know that the early Christians took many records and tried to preserve their savior's teachings so that they could spread them around the Roman Empire. So they went at length to be accurate. Secondly, a man named Josephus chronicled Jesus. This source isn't absolute since it is written a generation after Jesus, but it is something. Lastly, we have the apostles. We know for a fact that at least some of them existed because they left writings of their own. Since they are contemporaries of Christ, they would probably not be lying about this man collectively. With all of this, I would say that there is a high chance that Jesus actually existed.

Of course, this doesn't have much to do with police officers in Belgium.

[Flapjack]

Let me think, Muslim forces capture all of a previously Christian dominated Middle-East through force. Over 4 million Christian men were massacred in Egypt alone. Eventually Muslim forces start attacking Eastern Europe, thus European countries respond to the approaching threat.
The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II's plea to go to war against Muslim forces in the Holy Land.Source (http://www.history.com/topics/crusades)

[mattsmith48]

There is some evidence that we can use to determine that Jesus most likely existed. First off, we have the Bible. We know that the early Christians took many records and tried to preserve their savior's teachings so that they could spread them around the Roman Empire. So they went at length to be accurate. Secondly, a man named Josephus chronicled Jesus. This source isn't absolute since it is written a generation after Jesus, but it is something. Lastly, we have the apostles. We know for a fact that at least some of them existed because they left writings of their own. Since they are contemporaries of Christ, they would probably not be lying about this man collectively. With all of this, I would say that there is a high chance that Jesus actually existed.

Of course, this doesn't have much to do with police officers in Belgium.

Have you read the bible its not an evidence of anything. Records of Jesus including the new testemant were written hundreds of years after Jesus' death. I say its very possible people who wrote about Jesus lied we know of some people who did the most famous one being Joseph Smith.

Its PlasmaHam who started this and mention me in his post, in a thread I wasnt involved in, blame him not me

[PlasmaHam]

Red shift? Evolution?

I said proof, not guesses.
So ignore all the evil of Christianity of the past? Okay, abortion clinic shooter, homophobia, transphobia, sexism and pedophilia?
All besides the last are just your interpretation of "evil". As for the last, I would like to see where the Bible promotes pedophilia. The Koran has it, but the Bible?

Have you read the bible its not an evidence of anything. Records of Jesus including the new testemant were written hundreds of years after Jesus' death. I say its very possible people who wrote about Jesus lied we know of some people who did the most famous one being Joseph Smith.

Its @PlasmaHam who started this and mention me in his post, in a thread I wasnt involved in, blame him not me

I am not trying to be rude, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Joseph Smith? Really? Everyone except the Mormons think the man was crazy.

Have you actually read the Bible?

[Meron]

Why did the hillbillies of VT turn this from an attempted murder scene discussion/political discussion into a religious debate? That by beginning a flamewar about Christianity and saying "Islam did this" or "This is example of Islam". Seriously, get your shit together and talk about the actual incident, keep religion out of question for once.

[Sailor Mars]

I'm actually, unsurprisingly, disgusted with some of the statements said in this thread. This isn't ROTW, and even if it was,

Get on topic, respect others religions and opinions without bashing or insulting, and quit being dicks to each other.

Now apologize to each other :/ Thank you.

[mattsmith48]

Have you actually read the Bible?

yes I did