BLM Annouces Official Demands

[PlasmaHam]

This might be old news by now, but I just discovered this while listening to a news podcast. I couldn’t believe it, so I decided to share it with y’all.

A splinter group of Black Lives Matter recently came out with 6 demands towards the government. In these demands, they list numerous things they want the government to do to benefit black people and end this “racism.” Those demands are as listed:

End the War on Black People (https://policy.m4bl.org/end-war-on-black-people/)

Reparations (https://policy.m4bl.org/reparations/)

Community Control (https://policy.m4bl.org/community-control/)

Political Power (https://policy.m4bl.org/political-power/)

Economic Justice (https://policy.m4bl.org/economic-justice/)

Invest-Divest (https://policy.m4bl.org/invest-divest/)

There is far too much information to post here, so each demand links to the side group's website page for it. This is not the official demands of BLM, but it does show what a large amount of the protesters want. Numerous news sources have commented on this, calling them the BLM demands. I suggest you read them all, and post your opinion on them here. Has your opinion of the black protesters changed at all?

[Flapjack]

How dare they want to end racism!! The fact you have a confederate flag and put racism in quotation marks I find concerning tbh.

[Cadanance00]

Ain't it awful. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

(At first I thought you were talking about Bureau of Land Management, which is the federal agency that those clowns in Nevada didn't pay their reduced and subsidized grazing fees to.)

[Dalcourt]

Well of course it's exaggarated demands and I don't agree with a lot of things the Black Lives Matter movement says and does.

I also don't believe in the being deprived of everything just of my skin color thing, yet I have to say that racism is rising again instead of declining.

You see everything has two sides. Of course not all Whites are racist and life isn't just bad if you are black but still...if all white people who deny that there is racism and different treatment could be made to wear black skin for a couple of months a lot of them might get a different opinion.

[PlasmaHam]

How dare they want to end racism!! The fact you have a confederate flag and put racism in quotation marks I find concerning tbh.

Thank you, I see my mission of annoying leftist liberals over nothing is working. Its an odd coincidence about the flag and this post, but its fine by me.

Did you actually read this? I'll give a few exterpts:

"we demand an immediate change in conditions and an end to public jails, detention centers, youth facilities and prisons as we know them."

" full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education including: free access and open admissions to public community colleges and universities, technical education (technology, trade and agricultural), educational support programs, retroactive forgiveness of student loans, and support for lifetime learning programs."

"a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people, with clearly articulated corporate regulations."

"Reparations for the wealth extracted from our communities through environmental racism, slavery, food apartheid, housing discrimination and racialized capitalism in the form of corporate and government reparations focused on healing ongoing physical and mental trauma, and ensuring our access and control of food sources, housing and land."

"Reparations for the cultural and educational exploitation, erasure, and extraction of our communities in the form of mandated public school curriculums that critically examine the political, economic, and social impacts of colonialism and slavery,"
A constitutional right at the state and federal level to a fully-funded education which includes a clear articulation of the right to: a free education for all, special protections for queer and trans students
Financial support of Black alternative institutions including policy that subsidizes and offers low-interest, interest-free or federally guaranteed low-interest loans to promote the development of cooperatives (food, residential, etc.), land trusts and culturally responsive health infrastructures that serve the collective needs of our communities.

That is just the tip of the iceberg. Tell me if you see a disturbing trend.

Well of course it's exaggarated demands and I don't agree with a lot of things the Black Lives Matter movement says and does.

I also don't believe in the being deprived of everything just of my skin color thing, yet I have to say that racism is rising again instead of declining.

And who do you think is causing that rise in racism?

[Flapjack]

Thank you, I see my mission of annoying leftist liberals over nothing is working. Its an odd coincidence about the flag and this post, but its fine by me.
So you're a troll? It doesn't annoy me, it just confirms what I already know about the racism and backwards thinking in the US. America is decades behind the rest of the Europe and you are proving it.

[PlasmaHam]

So you're a troll? It doesn't annoy me, it just confirms what I already know about the racism and backwards thinking in the US. America is decades behind the rest of the Europe and you are proving it.

That comment just confirmed you don't know anything about America. Please respond to those direct quotes I got from the BLM official demands list and tell me how those will stop racism.

Also, are you saying I am racist?

[Flapjack]

That comment just confirmed you don't know anything about America.
I bet I know a lot more than you xD

[mattsmith48]

This might be old news by now, but I just discovered this while listening to a news podcast. I couldn’t believe it, so I decided to share it with y’all.
The organization Black Lives Matter recently came out with 6 demands towards the government. In these demands, they list numerous things they want the government to do to benefit black people and end this “racism.” Those demands are as listed:

End the War on Black People (https://policy.m4bl.org/end-war-on-black-people/)

Reparations (https://policy.m4bl.org/reparations/)

Community Control (https://policy.m4bl.org/community-control/)

Political Power (https://policy.m4bl.org/political-power/)

Economic Justice (https://policy.m4bl.org/economic-justice/)

Invest-Divest (https://policy.m4bl.org/invest-divest/)

There is far too much information to post here, so each demand links to the BLM website page for it. This is official, and numerous news sources have commented on. I suggest you read them all, and post your opinion on them here. Has your opinion of Black Lives Matter changed because of these?

Seems like fair demands but some of them I dont see how they will stop cops from shooting unarmed black people.

[Stronk Serb]

So now they're demanding shit? Just because of the general rudeness of demanding things you do not deserve, like a lot of that list, they should be flipped the bird.

[phuckphace]

this is honestly some of the funniest shit I've read in a long time. holy hell.

"we demand an immediate change in conditions and an end to public jails, detention centers, youth facilities and prisons as we know them."

if you don't like prison then don't go there. sheesh.

seriously, it's not that hard. don't hotbox your car while blaring rap music at 420 decibels, and maybe also instead of pulling a gun on the cop who confronts you, you could...you know, just not pull a gun? oh and hey, even if you don't have a gun, it's probably not a good idea to try and grab the cop's gun. that tends to end on a sour (shooty) note.

"full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education including: free access and open admissions to public community colleges and universities, technical education (technology, trade and agricultural), educational support programs, retroactive forgiveness of student loans, and support for lifetime learning programs."

I'd be willing to help write the history curricula (chapter one: Apartheid was better)

"a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people, with clearly articulated corporate regulations."

"I completely agree," the CEO of Apple nodded enthusiastically as he rubbed his hands together until they glowed red-hot. the board at Beats Electronics down the hall was likewise enthused. Amazon.com's Jeff Bezos also congratulated BLM for their groundbreaking idea and pledged his full support (and free Prime membership for life)

Reparations for the cultural and educational exploitation, erasure, and extraction of our communities in the form of mandated public school curriculums that critically examine the political, economic, and social impacts of colonialism and slavery.

"curriculums" - I like jokes that crack themselves. also slavery was bad, yes, but I didn't do it I promise.

Financial support of Black alternative institutions including policy that subsidizes and offers low-interest, interest-free or federally guaranteed low-interest loans to promote the development of cooperatives (food, residential, etc.), land trusts and culturally responsive health infrastructures that serve the collective needs of our communities.

if this about the "food apartheid" thing here's a tip: nobody wants to open any kind of business in the middle of the fucking ghetto where they can expect to die in a hail of bullets at any given moment. this is why the very few businesses in the ghettos are owned by newly arrived Third World immigrants who are used to living in violent hellholes and consider the whine of streaking bullets as normal as chirping birds or something. this one seems like the most starkly obvious "duh" of the list here

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So you're a troll? It doesn't annoy me, it just confirms what I already know about the racism and backwards thinking in the US. America is decades behind the rest of the Europe and you are proving it.

no I think you have the typical cartoonish and meme-y view of the US that is held by European leftists of your kind who have never visited the US and whose familiarity extends to Mickey Mouse and other trash culture but no further. it's fine to be unaware, but your posts exhibit an unawareness that has hit "Americans can buy guns and ammo from vending machines XD" levels. thus, to the misfortune of those of us who read posts for a living, every post you make mentioning the US is a guaranteed shitpost.

but rest assured! if I sound harsh it's only because I want to help you grow and improve in your posting, so here are some key points to mull over before clicking "Submit Reply"


Americans cannot, in fact, buy guns and ammo from vending machines, nor do gun owners sit on the front porch in a straw hat with a shotgun and jug of whiskey screeching "GIT OFF MAH PRAPERDY" to passersby (this is literally your view of Americans who own guns)

I've never known anyone who displayed the Rebel flag that didn't hold at least some doubleplusungood racial views, so yes I'm actually in agreement that the Rebel flag could be thought of as a symbol with some racist connotations. then again, holding racist views doesn't matter. Heil.

[Exocet]

So what are they going to do ? Start an insurgency ?

[Flapjack]

So what are they going to do ? Start an insurgency ?
Would you be saying that if they were white protesters?

[Dalcourt]

And who do you think is causing that rise in racism?

Well of course we fuckin lazy evil niggahs who else...we are all just living off social security, deal with drugs, rob nice elderly white ladies and of course not to forget are just out to kill off our heroes in blue in ambushes...so it's clear whites increasingly hate us.

So yeah seriously now...racism is a fight between two opposing parties here and l feel the fault lies within both parties. It would be nonsense to blame one.
There are problems that are deeply rooted in our society, misunderstandings on both sides as well as overreactions.
I can't give you a sufficient answer for it at least not at the moment.

I come from another cultural background than your typical black guy so I might see things a little different myself.
But also from personal experience I only can say that my view of White people hasn't changed since I was little but I feel that their view of me seems to have changed a lot.
I don't look like a thug...I'm a petite girlish type but still White people seem to be afraid of me sometimes. And sometimes I feel their contempt. It's nothing I couldn't live with...I just wish Whites who deny that Blacks are treated differently should have to experience this to know what it feels like.

[Exocet]

Would you be saying that if they were white protesters?

With such demands,yes.

[Flapjack]

With such demands,yes.
Demands like what? I read all of their end the war against black people and agree with all but one.

[Porpoise101]

Seems extreme. But honestly, all platforms are extreme. Platforms are supposed to show the ideal world of a party, without having to compromise. The world does not work that way though.

I think that many of the demands are ridiculous, especially the economic justice, community control, and reparations sections in general. The political power and some of the invest-divest ideas are pretty good though.

EDIT: PlasmaHam this is not the actual BLM platform, just a political party for black people. There is probably some overlap with the real BLM movement, but the real thing is here: http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

[PlasmaHam]

Demands like what? I read all of their end the war against black people and agree with all but one.

Did you read the demands? They want free land, food, and housing for black people. They want free internet for black people. They want free and open public universities for black people. A standard government payment to all black people. They want interest free loans for black people. They want to ban schools from talking about slavery or colonialism unless it is done their way to avoid offending black people.

They want to get rid of prisons for some reason. They want the community to be directly in charge of the police for some reason. They want money to handle physical trauma done to black kids (I guess they believe lashings still exist or something.) The release of all black politcal criminals.

They want to end the Trans-Pacific Partnership for some reason, like that will fix racism. Make prostitution legal, (that just tells you what their priorities are.:D) They want free daycare for black kids. Banning search and seizures even with a warrant(what do you have to hide?) Considerably defund policing and national security(FBI, CSI, CIA, NRA) and put that money towards black communities.

How will that fix racism? They are wanting blacks to have free everything while everyone else actually work for a living. They want to control the police and defund them. They are the modern day Black Panthers, chanting for the death of police and the tearing down the establishment.
Porpoise101 They are an off-shoot of BLM yes. But these demands do have considerable support, and most news outlets are calling these the BLM demands. However, this still shows what some of the black protesters really want.

[Porpoise101]

Porpoise101 They are an off-shoot of BLM yes. But these demands do have considerable support, and most news outlets are calling these the BLM demands. However, this still shows what some of the black protesters really want.
Black radicals have always wanted these things though. These people are nothing new, just coasting off of the success of the BLM movement and the media attention. Considering BLM aligns more with the left, one shouldn't be surprised that an offshoot would propose these things. The thread title is also misleading in this way. If anything you should be criticizing the actual demands listed here (http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision).

[PlasmaHam]

Black radicals have always wanted these things though. These people are nothing new, just coasting off of the success of the BLM movement and the media attention. Considering BLM aligns more with the left, one shouldn't be surprised that an offshoot would propose these things. The thread title is also misleading in this way. If anything you should be criticizing the actual demands listed here (http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision).

I don't see how those are the actual demands, but I will admit that the thread title might be misleading. Most news sources I read about this said that this came straight from BLM and not a splinter group. Note I was using liberal and conservation news sources. However, I will edit the first post stating that these are the demands of a side group, and not directly BLM.

However, I am still curious of how certain people here, Mimikyu and mattsmith48, say they almost fully support these demands.

[Porpoise101]

I don't see how those are the actual demands, but I will admit that the thread title might be misleading. Most news sources I read about this said that this came straight from BLM and not a splinter group. Note I was using liberal and conservation news sources. However, I will edit the first post stating that these are the demands of a side group, and not directly BLM. The demands of 'Campaign Zero' were crafted by the noted leader of BLM Deray McKesson as well others like the organizer of the Ferguson protests. I would say that the Campaign Zero platform, which is actually sponsored by its leaders, is more legitimate. It is also more representative of the beliefs of the movement as a whole rather than a splinter group. I would take the words of the leadership more seriously than the media as well, because they have a tendency to be inaccurate with details or sensationalize things.

[Flapjack]

However, I am still curious of how certain people here, @Mimikyu (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=122060) and @mattsmith48 (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=101901), say they almost fully support these demands.
You make it sound like we're being exposed for something bad :D I only read the first link and agree with all but one. It is a splinter group so shouldn't be used to justify to hate towards BLM.

[PlasmaHam]

You make it sound like we're being exposed for something bad :D I only read the first link and agree with all but one. It is a splinter group so shouldn't be used to justify to hate towards BLM.

Why don't you read the rest? Are you afraid of what you might hear? Its funny how when you thought this was entirely BLM you were praising it, now when you realize it isn't you are shaming it.'

Do you, or do you not agree with the demands they listed?

[Flapjack]

Why don't you read the rest? Are you afraid of what you might hear? Its funny how when you thought this was entirely BLM you were praising it, now when you realize it isn't you are shaming it.'

Do you, or do you not agree with the demands they listed?
My gosh you are a fruit loop xD I am not afraid of what I might read and where was I praising them and how was I shaming them? There has been members in BLM that I think were wrong like that guy that claimed his college professor tried to run him over when in reality he walked into the car.

[PlasmaHam]

My gosh you are a fruit loop xD I am not afraid of what I might read and where was I praising them and how was I shaming them? There has been members in BLM that I think were wrong like that guy that claimed his college professor tried to run him over when in reality he walked into the car.

Do you, or do you not agree with the demands listed?

[Flapjack]

Do you, or do you not agree with the demands listed?
I agree with some and not others xD

[Porpoise101]

So you're a troll? It doesn't annoy me, it just confirms what I already know about the racism and backwards thinking in the US. America is decades behind the rest of the Europe and you are proving it.
I just saw this.. I am a little stunned. US has violence issues sure, but it is actually less racist than the majority of the world (including European nations!!). The reason you even hear about racial strife is because we actually are willing to confront our problems and not ignore them like many of you Europeans do. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/16/article-2325502-19D0189E000005DC-313_634x274.jpg

[Jinglebottom]

You guys think America's bad, you wouldn't last a second here with all the widespread racism and stereotypes (which aren't just limited to black people, also whites, asians, etc).

[Flapjack]

I just saw this.. I am a little stunned. US has violence issues sure, but it is actually less racist than the majority of the world (including European nations!!). The reason you even hear about racial strife is because we actually are willing to confront our problems and not ignore them like many of you Europeans do. image (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/16/article-2325502-19D0189E000005DC-313_634x274.jpg)
Firstly, do not refer to me as 'many of you Europeans do' because that is just stereotyping and if you actually knew me you would know that I have my problems with every European county. I am not a nationalist.

According to that graph the UK is one of the most tolerant countries in Europe? From my own experiences I do not believe that. The UK is probably one of the most racist, slightly less racist than the USA however.

That data was collected based on self reporting. I am sure you will agree the right wing racists in the UK and the US always deny they're racists and that they're just being honest about the blacks or the Muslims etc etc. I think the northern European countries were being more honest about their racial issues.

Also the right wing in the USA is not prepared to tackle racism. They perpetuate it.

[PlasmaHam]

Also the right wing in the USA is not prepared to tackle racism. They perpetuate it.

Have you ever actually been to the USA? Its not nearly as bad as the news likes to put it. How exactly does the right wing perpetuate racism?

[Flapjack]

Have you ever actually been to the USA? Its not nearly as bad as the news likes to put it. How exactly does the right wing perpetuate racism?
Yeah I have xD The USA is one of my favourite countries believe it or not :P

The right wing defends racist stereotyping, the war on drugs targets black people and the right defends racist cops. Of course there is other stuff like saying Obama is not American or a Muslim but I think that is a minority of the right wing.

[PlasmaHam]

Yeah I have xD The USA is one of my favourite countries believe it or not :P

The right wing defends racist stereotyping, the war on drugs targets black people and the right defends racist cops.

How do they defend racist stereotypes, has it ever occurred to you that perhaps those stereotypes could be based on fact? Stereotyping is wrong of course, but how exactly is the right enforcing those?

Maybe, just maybe, more black kids do drugs than other races? Has that ever occurred to you that the black community could have it's flaws?

Latest "racist" cop case: black woman using infant as human shield threatens to shot and kill police officers who came to her house over traffic violations even after they plead with her for three hours to put the baby and gun down. She seriously threatens them, they respond justly, she was shot. Yet everyone is blaming the cops for being racist. Perhaps, just perhaps, black people do commit more crime than other races. And perhaps constant threats of death from black protesters towards police is making them more scared for their lives.
Of course there is other stuff like saying Obama is not American or a Muslim but I think that is a minority of the right wing.
That has nothing to do with racism. People disliked Obama for his policies and wanted some way to kick him out or humiliate him. Ted Cruz faced similar criticism during the GOP nomination phase.

[Dalcourt]

Of course racism exist everwhere and it's really sad . That's a fact nobody can deny.
But just reading through the comments in this thread here and elsewhere in these forums shows that racism is way stronger than most statistics may admit. The USA doesn't do a thing to change anything at all...if anything we just go a step backwards.

And has anyone ever thought about how hurtful some of those comments here are?

[Flapjack]

Of course racism exist everwhere and it's really sad . That's a fact nobody can deny.
But just reading through the comments in this thread here and elsewhere in these forums shows that racism is way stronger than most statistics may admit. The USA doesn't do a thing to change anything at all...if anything we just go a step backwards.

And has anyone ever thought about how hurtful some of those comments here are?
My comments?:)

[Porpoise101]

That data was collected based on self reporting. I am sure you will agree the right wing racists in the UK and the US always deny they're racists and that they're just being honest about the blacks or the Muslims etc etc. I think the northern European countries were being more honest about their racial issues.

There are many similar polls that show that the US is one of the more tolerant nations in the world. In social interactions, the US is not that racist IMO. But I will say that the disparity and living conditions of some minority groups is worse off because of past racism. The US is also geographically segregated by race because of racist past incidents. This does not help because this perpetuates racial conflict.

[PlasmaHam]

And has anyone ever thought about how hurtful some of those comments here are?

I have a tendency to be accused of being offensive or hurtful, so I assume you are talking to me.

I get accused of worshiping a mythical skygod everyday just about on this site. I've been called the dumb white southerner plenty of times. Within the last week I've been called stupid, transphobic, liar, racist, homophobic, and plenty of other things.

I don't want to sound rude, but I'm going to defend my position whether that offends you or not. I won't go out there and call you insults for no reason, I try to be respectful, but people are offended by everything today! If you don't like that, then just don't read this thread, or learn to suck it up. I've learned to accept who I am and to embrace it long ago, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. And I suggest you do the same.

[Dalcourt]

I have a tendency to be accused of being offensive or hurtful, so I assume you are talking to me.

I get accused of worshiping a mythical skygod everyday just about on this site. I've been called the dumb white southerner plenty of times. Within the last week I've been called stupid, transphobic, liar, racist, homophobic, and plenty of other things.

I don't want to sound rude, but I'm going to defend my position whether that offends you or not. I won't go out there and call you insults for no reason, I try to be respectful, but people are offended by everything today! If you don't like that, then just don't read this thread, or learn to suck it up. I've learned to accept who I am and to embrace it long ago, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. And I suggest you do the same.

Well believe it or not it wasn't directed at you. If I wanted to say something to you directly I'd have done it.

It was a general statement.
I mean I couldn't care less if anyone said anything racist to me directly...it's just the way this topic is approached in general.
Like why do white people discuss it with each other?
Why does this even bother you?
It's like you are discussing animal rights cuz these weird colored creatures can't speak for themselves.

[Flapjack]

Like why do white people discuss it with each other?
Why does this even bother you?
It's like you are discussing animal rights cuz these weird colored creatures can't speak for themselves.
I see what you mean buddy but I think it is important white people raise awareness and bring attention to it so the people that claim that black people are making it up will hopefully accept the realities of racism today and try to change it:)

[PlasmaHam]

Well believe it or not it wasn't directed at you. If I wanted to say something to you directly I'd have done it.

It was a general statement.
I mean I couldn't care less if anyone said anything racist to me directly...it's just the way this topic is approached in general.
Like why do white people discuss it with each other?
Why does this even bother you?
It's like you are discussing animal rights cuz these weird colored creatures can't speak for themselves.

Woah, I'm so used to being called racist. This is a shocker.

Everyone here is complaining about how no one in America is doing anything about racism, yet you are complaining about it when people talk about it? My personal plan to end racism is to stop talking about it. People are getting so enraged about racism because people keep bringing it up! Its like a sore, you want it to heal, yet people keep picking at it and keeping it from healing. Stop this talk about racist cops and racist government and racist everyone, and people will stop doing it! Of course there are those nutbags on each side who do it regardless, but constantly bringing up racism is just making things worse.

Believe it or not, I actually know black people. I'm good friends with a few. I typically don't refer to them as black, all are equal in the sight of God after all, but they are black. They agree with me that if people would stop bringing up racism, then it would nearly stop. I am talking about BLM because they are making things worse!

[Hyper]

Lol it's kind of sad and yet hilarious reading this thread... I hope the US stays behind Europe for decades to come!

And how does this thread & replies show that racism is a bigger problem that statistics show...?

[Dalcourt]

Woah, I'm so used to being called racist. This is a shocker.

Everyone here is complaining about how no one in America is doing anything about racism, yet you are complaining about it when people talk about it? My personal plan to end racism is to stop talking about it. People are getting so enraged about racism because people keep bringing it up! Its like a sore, you want it to heal, yet people keep picking at it and keeping it from healing. Stop this talk about racist cops and racist government and racist everyone, and people will stop doing it! Of course there are those nutbags on each side who do it regardless, but constantly bringing up racism is just making things worse.

Believe it or not, I actually know black people. I'm good friends with a few. I typically don't refer to them as black, all are equal in the sight of God after all, but they are black. They agree with me that if people would stop bringing up racism, then it would nearly stop. I am talking about BLM because they are making things worse!

yeah I know and I don't agree with the whole BLM thing...as the expression black lives matter is racist itself...why do we even have to talk about lives of a certain color? we are all the same and none matters more or less than the others...

so I can agree more or less with you on the not talking about it thing...as all this awareness shit usually does way more harm than good.

Like as that black guy was shot here in Baton Rouge why the fuck did activists from the North have to come here to protest...if people here wanted to do so they would have been perfectly capeable to do it alone. And why would this guy from Missouri have to come here to shoot cops? If we wanted to kill off our cops here we would be able to do so...

But well honestly I don't have the mental strength at the moment to discuss these things at the moment...


Lol it's kind of sad and yet hilarious reading this thread... I hope the US stays behind Europe for decades to come!

And how does this thread & replies show that racism is a bigger problem that statistics show...?

Cuz people are racist without even noticing it themselves...

[sqishy]

Cuz people are racist without even noticing it themselves...

Racism doesn't have to be self-observed to be racism, I agree.

[StoppingTom]

Do I believe that people of color, particularly black people, are more targetted by some cops? Yes, and that needs to change.

Do I also believe that a ton of these demands are ridiculous to the point of satirical, and that a lot of the logic in their demands is laughable? Also yes.

On a second thought, let's not go to America. 'Tis a silly place.

[Hyper]

Cuz people are racist without even noticing it themselves...

How?

[Flapjack]

How?
He is right buddy! There are black people that perceive black people as more aggressive without even realising it because of how deep racism is in the American culture.

[Typhlosion]

Should I look at this and say "Oh, BLM you!".

It's more like OBLM, only black lives matter. I don't get how trying to get all these quotas is going to help descrimination. Fuck off.

[phuckphace]

Woah, I'm so used to being called racist. This is a shocker.

homie don't sweat it, the haters just make us famous.

Everyone here is complaining about how no one in America is doing anything about racism, yet you are complaining about it when people talk about it? My personal plan to end racism is to stop talking about it. People are getting so enraged about racism because people keep bringing it up! Its like a sore, you want it to heal, yet people keep picking at it and keeping it from healing. Stop this talk about racist cops and racist government and racist everyone, and people will stop doing it! Of course there are those nutbags on each side who do it regardless, but constantly bringing up racism is just making things worse.

nope. racism is endemic to humankind and probably even predates the development of organized religion and writing. this is because "racist" views have their roots in realities that are impossible to ignore, and is why it stubbornly persists even into the current year. tellingly, racism is actually on the rise now that more and more people, previously ambivalent, are exposed to the rank aura of the Third World thanks to multiculturalism.

it's rather unfortunate that the left's (dumb) narrative on racism has been broadly and often unwittingly accepted even by a good portion of those on the right.

Believe it or not, I actually know black people. I'm good friends with a few. I typically don't refer to them as black, all are equal in the sight of God after all, but they are black. They agree with me that if people would stop bringing up racism, then it would nearly stop. I am talking about BLM because they are making things worse!

mate I'm sorry to say but it's entirely pointless to try and redeem yourself in the eyes of the Left by mentioning your black friends. the Left would like you to roll over and die no matter what you do (preferably before you reproduce) and in any case discussions about individuals are pointless in the context of endemic group vs. group racism. I have a few black friends too and while I'm fairly certain they wouldn't murder me for my phone and wallet, I'm not fooling myself into believing that this wouldn't happen at the hands of one or several of their neighbors if I went to visit them in the hood.

[Porpoise101]

nope. racism is endemic to humankind and probably even predates the development of organized religion and writing.
I would beg to differ. Even the Egyptians were multicultural and non-racist, considering anyone who could speak Egyptian and was free to be normal Egyptians. They accepted Semites, Phoenicians, Greeks, Hittites, Kushites (lol), and many more. I'm not going to say that Ancient Egypt was perfect, but I think that shows that even some of the earliest societies were multiracial.

[phuckphace]

imagine how lit Germany would be rn if Mutti had brought in a few mil from the land of Kush instead

it's very doubtful that Egypt was multicultural in the modern sense. from what I know about AE they considered non-Egyptians to be barbarians and uncivilized. evidence in their art for any major, foreign cultural influences is lacking. just by looking at something you can instantly recognize "Egypt" by its unique motif. for how long their civilization(s) lasted it's remarkable how more or less uniform it was.

but yeah mate I'm not so sure about the multikulty Egypt thing. I'm pretty sure if some barbarians built an altar in the marketplace at Thebes and began sacrificing their kids to Moloch and then accosted onlookers with "ooga booga where da wigged bitches at?!" I doubt it would've ended very well

[Porpoise101]

imagine how lit Germany would be rn if Mutti had brought in a few mil from the land of Kush instead
Well the Germans have certainly brought in a lot of Afghans from the Hindu-Kush.

it's very doubtful that Egypt was multicultural in the modern sense. from what I know about AE they considered non-Egyptians to be barbarians and uncivilized. evidence in their art for any major, foreign cultural influences is lacking. just by looking at something you can instantly recognize "Egypt" by its unique motif. for how long their civilization(s) lasted it's remarkable how more or less uniform it was.
I have to disagree here as well. Even though you are right in that the Egyptians have stuck to their culture they were forced to take in influences from others. The conquest by the Libyans, Kushites, and Greeks made them adapt and change culturally. They also traded with many of their neighbors which affected their tastes in food and luxuries. They adapted gods into their own religion, like Ba'al. Artistically they included different races, considering them to be Egyptian. https://ancientegyptianhistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ibscha.jpg?w=474&h=302https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hm6Qc_jeuTw/hqdefault.jpg

Of course, they also hated foreigners, especially Hittites. But to me, that is because they fought them a lot.

[PlasmaHam]

Well the Germans have certainly brought in a lot of Afghans from the Hindu-Kush.

I have to disagree here as well. Even though you are right in that the Egyptians have stuck to their culture they were forced to take in influences from others. The conquest by the Libyans, Kushites, and Greeks made them adapt and change culturally. They also traded with many of their neighbors which affected their tastes in food and luxuries. They adapted gods into their own religion, like Ba'al. Artistically they included different races, considering them to be Egyptian.

Of course, they also hated foreigners, especially Hittites. But to me, that is because they fought them a lot.

You more or less just described America. A melting pot of different cultures and a national identity built on such. However, you are saying that the Egyptians are better than the Americans when it comes to different cultures and races. I am not sure what you are getting at. There was certainly some sort of racial and culture bias in Egypt, just like every other society. The Bible, a pretty solid historical book, describes the Jewish people being enslaved and experiencing genocide by the Egyptians for no real reason.

If you claim America is racist, then you have to admit so was Egypt.

[Vlerchan]

roll over and die no matter what you do (preferably before you reproduce)
That is all I have come here to say, if you disagree with me, apparently.

[Dalcourt]

How?

From the day we are born on we have prejudices instilled by our environment and we act on them without even realising. That's how people are made.

Or if you tell a black person "I'm not racist I know a few black people personally" or like "You aren't like other black people"
It's not meant to be offensive but the black person will always be like wtf!?

[Hyper]

From the day we are born on we have prejudices instilled by our environment and we act on them without even realising. That's how people are made.

Or if you tell a black person "I'm not racist I know a few black people personally" or like "You aren't like other black people"
It's not meant to be offensive but the black person will always be like wtf!?

I asked how, as a response to your post, which was a reply to mine, more in the sense of ''how'' are people being racist in this thread without realizing it.

Also the topic of racism in history is not something historians agree on AFAIK. Just as a response to some of the Egypt conversation...

[Dalcourt]

I asked how, as a response to your post, which was a reply to mine, more in the sense of ''how'' are people being racist in this thread without realizing it.

Also the topic of racism in history is not something historians agree on AFAIK. Just as a response to some of the Egypt conversation...

Nearly every response here could be seen as offensive. The fact that this thread was just made for the single purpose to bash a group just because of the far fetched demands of a small minority of this group is offensive. I mean how many people talking in this thread here would identify themselves as openly racist if asked for statistical purposes? And nearly everyone makes at least latent racist comments here...and that's what I have been referring to

[phuckphace]

From the day we are born on we have prejudices instilled by our environment and we act on them without even realising. That's how people are made.

here's how prejudice works: the cop who calls for backup before harassing an innocent black person does so because the last 250 he arrested were actually guilty (or were strictly speaking innocent at first but then escalated the situation by resisting violently). on the contrary, the cop knows that the white kid he's arresting for a sack of weed probably won't pull a gun on him.

I remember some Latino poster bitching about cops treating him differently in Chicago, as if it wasn't to be 100% expected given Chicago's sky high crime rate and cartel/gang presence. the bad people ruin everything for the good people, that's just life mate.

[Porpoise101]

There was certainly some sort of racial and culture bias in Egypt, just like every other society. The Bible, a pretty solid historical book, describes the Jewish people being enslaved and experiencing genocide by the Egyptians for no real reason.

If you claim America is racist, then you have to admit so was Egypt.
There was a cultural bias, certainly. The Ancient Egyptians were against those cultures that could threaten them. That is why they had a distaste for Hittites, Sea People, and Berbers. The racial bias was not there as far as historical sources go. It is hard to tell the biases of people based on archaeology alone, but we do see people of different races living together.

As for the slavery thing, it was pretty common to enslave those captured in war. All ancient empires did it and to me, that has nothing to do with the race thing. Besides, in Egypt, Jews were considered to be apart of the 'Semitic' race. Egyptians had no problems with other people of that race, like Babylonians and Canaanites.

I never said Egypt wasn't racist, I was trying to show that different races have lived together in society for millennia. Egypt may have been a racist society, but it apparently was tolerable enough for all sorts of people to live there.

[PlasmaHam]

Nearly every response here could be seen as offensive. The fact that this thread was just made for the single purpose to bash a group just because of the far fetched demands of a small minority of this group is offensive. I mean how many people talking in this thread here would identify themselves as openly racist if asked for statistical purposes? And nearly everyone makes at least latent racist comments here...and that's what I have been referring to

Your comments by your definition have also been offensive. You are basically saying that most everyone on this thread is a secret racist and that you are the only sane man. I'm sorry if my right to free speech is offending you.

Nearly every debate, discussion, whatever regarding the modern world eventually goes into bashing certain groups or cultures. Especially on internet forums filled with teens with attitude. As the thread creator, I can testify that this thread was meant to bash a certain group, just like 90% of the other threads here. I made it so people would realize that BLM is not just a peaceful group, there are many people who are using that group to further harmful goals. I'm not saying BLM is evil, I think it is dumb, as it is indirectly resulting in more tension between police and black Americans.

[PlasmaHam]

As for the slavery thing, it was pretty common to enslave those captured in war. All ancient empires did it and to me, that has nothing to do with the race thing. Besides, in Egypt, Jews were considered to be apart of the 'Semitic' race. Egyptians had no problems with other people of that race, like Babylonians and Canaanites.

I get your posts, but you were using them to refute the idea that people have always been racist, which doesn't really work. I would like to say though, that the Jews enslaved by Egypt were not captured because of war but of simple want for slave labor and to keep the Jewish population from expanding.

[Dalcourt]

Your comments by your definition have also been offensive. You are basically saying that most everyone on this thread is a secret racist and that you are the only sane man. I'm sorry if my right to free speech is offending you.

Nearly every debate, discussion, whatever regarding the modern world eventually goes into bashing certain groups or cultures. Especially on internet forums filled with teens with attitude. As the thread creator, I can testify that this thread was meant to bash a certain group, just like 90% of the other threads here. I made it so people would realize that BLM is not just a peaceful group, there are many people who are using that group to further harmful goals. I'm not saying BLM is evil, I think it is dumb, as it is indirectly resulting in more tension between police and black Americans.

I don't know where I wrote that I exclude myself from being racist?
I even agreed with you and many others that the demands of BLM are stupid and exaggerated...I don't like the movement per se and would be seen as a traitor for this by many colored people.
I just stated that we are all so biased without ever noticing or acknowledging that most statistics are bullshit.
I never said anywhere that I'm better than anyone else that's just your way of interpreting my words.

[Porpoise101]

I get your posts, but you were using them to refute the idea that people have always been racist, which doesn't really work. I would like to say though, that the Jews enslaved by Egypt were not captured because of war but of simple want for slave labor and to keep the Jewish population from expanding.
First of all, I don't discount the entire OT, but the Exodus in my mind is a myth. There is no archaeological proof that Jews lived there en masse. No government records have been found. It also has all of the components of a national myth: a great hero, many trials, sacrifice, and divine revelation. So I do not think that it is really true, but it was a Jewish myth passed down orally until the Jewish chroniclers could write the Torah.

But lets consider that the story is true. If you were a pharaoh and you saw ~2 mil seemingly nomadic foreigners move in and work their way up the political system, wouldn't you be afraid? You would be left with two options, violently remove them (difficult because the Egyptian border was mountainous and difficult to patrol) or enslave them so they are subdued. These foreigners would also be very dangerous to you politically because they don't believe that you, the pharaoh, are a god-king. This would have been considered subversive, and it was considered subversive by other empires (like Rome). So even if the story is true, I don't think it was racism, just dealing with a serious threat to the Egyptian state.

I wasn't trying to refute the belief that people have always been racist. I am trying to refute the belief that people have a natural tendency to be racist. The fact that even early peoples were accepting of different types of people shows that racism does not necessarily go hand in hand human society. The people of Egypt seemed to be equally oppressed under a pharaoh, no matter the color of their skin.

[Stronk Serb]

BLM- the new KKK of the black community

[Vlerchan]

BLM- the new KKK of the black community
Armed guerrilla warfare killed thousands of Negroes; political riots were staged; their causes or occasions were always obscure, their results always certain: ten to one hundred times as many Negroes were killed as whites." Masked men shot into houses and burned them, sometimes with the occupants still inside. They drove successful black farmers off their land. "Generally, it can be reported that in North and South Carolina, in 18 months ending in June 1867, there were 197 murders and 548 cases of aggravated assault."

Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America: 1860–1880

The resemblance is uncanny.

[Stronk Serb]

Armed guerrilla warfare killed thousands of Negroes; political riots were staged; their causes or occasions were always obscure, their results always certain: ten to one hundred times as many Negroes were killed as whites." Masked men shot into houses and burned them, sometimes with the occupants still inside. They drove successful black farmers off their land. "Generally, it can be reported that in North and South Carolina, in 18 months ending in June 1867, there were 197 murders and 548 cases of aggravated assault."

Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America: 1860–1880

The resemblance is uncanny.

They did cause several million dollars in property damage during their riots, attacked members of other race with hate etc. They lack the social hierarchy of the Klan, but they resemble eachother. The bad thing is, BLM is not marginalized and shunned like the Klan.

[Vlerchan]

They did cause several million dollars in property damage during their riots, attacked members of other race with hate etc. They lack the social hierarchy of the Klan, but they resemble eachother. The bad thing is, BLM is not marginalized and shunned like the Klan.
Uncanny.

The KKK were also not a marginalised entity at their height.

[Stronk Serb]

Uncanny.

The KKK were also not a marginalised entity at their height.

But with the stamping out of racism, they were. Still, I dislike them both.

[EuRo]

Didn't read anyone else's posts, but here's my opinion after reading a few of the demands:

They are vague. They appear to be asking for either what they already have or for things that everyone should have to deal with.

BLM is essentially a very loose, unprofessional and disorganized domestic terrorist group.

[Allbutanillusion]

This might be old news by now, but I just discovered this while listening to a news podcast. I couldn’t believe it, so I decided to share it with y’all.

A splinter group of Black Lives Matter recently came out with 6 demands towards the government. In these demands, they list numerous things they want the government to do to benefit black people and end this “racism.” Those demands are as listed:

End the War on Black People (https://policy.m4bl.org/end-war-on-black-people/)

Reparations (https://policy.m4bl.org/reparations/)

Community Control (https://policy.m4bl.org/community-control/)

Political Power (https://policy.m4bl.org/political-power/)

Economic Justice (https://policy.m4bl.org/economic-justice/)

Invest-Divest (https://policy.m4bl.org/invest-divest/)

There is far too much information to post here, so each demand links to the side group's website page for it. This is not the official demands of BLM, but it does show what a large amount of the protesters want. Numerous news sources have commented on this, calling them the BLM demands. I suggest you read them all, and post your opinion on them here. Has your opinion of the black protesters changed at all?

In other words more handouts , more leeching off of the back of society through the power of the over used and abused race card , typical through the distortion of the actual facts.

Hell, why have ethics and morals ..work hard for anything when you can frivolously play the race card and get all that one needs ...typically because one has a sense of entitlement. #blackprivilage

[Flapjack]

Didn't read anyone else's posts, but here's my opinion after reading a few of the demands:

They are vague. They appear to be asking for either what they already have or for things that everyone should have to deal with.

BLM is essentially a very loose, unprofessional and disorganized domestic terrorist group.
Firstly, them demands were from a splinter group.


BLM is essentially a very loose, unprofessional and disorganized domestic terrorist group.
Want to justify how they are a terrorist group? No being them being black is not a reason.

[Porpoise101]

#blackprivilage
Please explain how the black population of the United States is more privileged than other groups. From my understanding, the chance that you will be born into a lower quality lifestyle is much higher if you are black. However, I will admit that things are getting better as more blacks make it to the middle classes.

[Sailor Mars]

This thread has gone extremely off topic, contains offensive and potentially racist posts, and was unacceptable practically from the beginning. :locked: