Shooting at Munich

[german_boy]

Earlier today, there was a shooting at a mall in Munich.

There is very few information at the moment. Neither does the police know how many suspects there are nor do they know where they are.

The people were asked to stay at home by text messages and radio.

Currently, there is too less information.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

For latest reliable information, visit the Twitter channel of the Munich police: @PolizeiMuenchen

[Jinglebottom]

Could this be the latest in the series of attacks perpetrated by radical Muslims in Europe since the beginning of this year? But I don't think they have identified the shooter yet.

[german_boy]

It could be, it could not be. We should wait for new information.

The police confirmed the death of 6 people.

[Uniquemind]

I have family over there right now so I am very concerned.

[PlasmaHam]

It could be, it could not be. We should wait for new information.


This is what I wish everyone would do when these shootings and attacks happen. Wait for the evidence, and then start the discussion. And please, please don't let this develop into another gun control debate.

[Dalcourt]

That's really horrible...seems like the whole world is crazy at the moment.

[mahony0509]

Its not Islamists. They're German neo-nazis. They shouted something about foreigners. Today is also the 5 year anniversary of the neo-nazi Anders Breivik attack in Norway.

[german_boy]

Actually, a man shouted "I am German" "I was on stationary treatment". It might be possible that he has shot himself. We should wait for evidence. I am following the news, I'll keep you updated.

[Vlerchan]

Video images also emerged of them ranting against foreigners and Turks (source: Telegraph).

[dxcxdzv]

They're German neo-nazis.
Oh, so I guess I have nothing to say about it...

Joke ppl, don't ban mods #TooCuteToBeFrozen

No, seriously, got a link?

[Ghaem]

Neo-Nazis or so-called Islamists. Does it really matter?

This is an act of innate evil terrorism and it must be stopped; By force if necessary.

[mahony0509]

http://news.sky.com/story/i-am-german-munich-gunman-shouts-to-witness-10509927

[mattsmith48]

Its not Islamists. They're German neo-nazis. They shouted something about foreigners. Today is also the 5 year anniversary of the neo-nazi Anders Breivik attack in Norway.

Any sources on that they were actually neo-nazi from all we know they could be Amish

[german_boy]

Any sources on that they were actually neo-nazi from all we know they could be Amish

An eyewitness reported so, as well as that video does.

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Obviously, only one person commited the rampage. He shot himself about 1km away from the crime scene.

The operation of our public transport has been resumed after if was interrupted the whole evening.

At 2:00am CEST (in about half an hour), there will be a press conference by the police with further details.

[sqishy]

Many sources are saying that the attackers are from within the country, so this is an event not actually related to, or even perceived to be related to, 'radical Islamic terrorism'.

That mass shooting in Norway in late 2011 is what sprang to my mind when I heard about this.

[german_boy]

It was a 18 year-old German-Iranian as Hubertus Andrä, the president of the police, confirmed in the press conference.

The motive is still not known.

[Sailor Mars]

Oh, so I guess I have nothing to say about it...

Joke ppl, don't ban mods #TooCuteToBeFrozen

No, seriously, got a link?
>bans

http://www.france24.com/en/20160722-live-blog-munich-police-gunmen-mall-shooting-attack

Also, previously stated link.

[PlasmaHam]

I am leaning towards this being a non-ISIS attack. The style of the attack isn't indicative of an ISIS attack, and most evidence points towards an internal matter. Still too early to start making accusations though, so I am not claiming anything.

[Jay21]

I've heard conflicting reports. In one instance there were witnesses who claim to have heard the shooter shouting, "Allahu Akbar!" In another, they say it was a Neo-Nazi shouting racial slurs about immigrants. In a recent report, they said the shooter was an Iranian-German, and since ISIS is heavily influential near where Iran is, I'm willing to bet it was an act of radical Islamic terrorism.

[Vlerchan]

In a recent report, they said the shooter was an Iranian-German, and since ISIS is heavily influential near where Iran is, I'm willing to bet it was an act of radical Islamic terrorism.
Except ISIL are a Sunni group, and Iran is a overwhelmingly Shi'ite state.

You can be almost certain, that if the perpetrator is of Iranian descent, then he is not ISIL.

[Ghaem]

Except ISIL are a Sunni group, and Iran is a overwhelmingly Shi'ite state.

You can be almost certain, that if the perpetrator is of Iranian descent, then he is not ISIL.

There are many Sunni Iranian migrants in Germany however. Although I suspect the source of the news.

[Vlerchan]

There are many Sunni Iranian migrants in Germany however. Although I suspect the source of the news.
I would imagine that Iranian Sunni's have a greater chance of emigrating - but I still wouldn't hold out on the shooter being Sunni. Least not when the vast majority of Iranians in Germany are still Shia.

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Question.

Do Sunni and Shi'ite Iranians have distinct names and can be told apart on that basis?

[Jay21]

Except ISIL are a Sunni group, and Iran is a overwhelmingly Shi'ite state.

You can be almost certain, that if the perpetrator is of Iranian descent, then he is not ISIL.
I did not mean that since he was Iranian he was a member of ISIS. What I meant was that it could be similar to San Bernadino in where the perpetrators were radicalized at home and commited heinous acts.

It's just my speculation though, it could certainly be proven wrong later as more evidence on the shooter emerge.

[Ghaem]

Question.

Do Sunni and Shi'ite Iranians have distinct names and can be told apart on that basis?

Eh no. However most Iranian Sunnis in Germany are mostly from Kurdish or Turkish descent. Kurdish names are just a little different.

[Dalcourt]

Just read through all he news I found about the incident in Munich.
It's sad that there's been so many dead and injured people once again.

Police didn't say anything about the motif for the shooting...so officially it's just called a shooting not a terrorist attack or whatever.
German authorities seem really calm and don't feel like giving in to any speculations or harsh accusations like it's always done here.

Seems they know how to properly handle such a situation.

[dxcxdzv]

http://www.france24.com/en/20160722-live-blog-munich-police-gunmen-mall-shooting-attack

Also, previously stated link.

Well, there is literally nothing in this link that says the shooter was a Neo-nazi.

[german_boy]

The police just confirmed that there is no correlation with the Daesh or with the refugee crisis.

The shooter faced up with amok intensively. He was in treatment because of depressions.

[Exocet]

LMAO,muslims killing people or running over people aren't terrorists...... they are all 'psychos or depressed' people. I wonder if there are people still buying it.

[Just JT]

LMAO,muslims killing people or running over people aren't terrorists...... they are all 'psychos or depressed' people. I wonder if there are people still buying it.

Are you saying someone who's depressed is a psycho?


And as far as I'm concerned this shooting is no different than any shooting whether it's in the USA or not. Simply put, it's a terrorist act, regardless of whether he was radicalized or not. He caused terror, period.

[german_boy]

LMAO,muslims killing people or running over people aren't terrorists...... they are all 'psychos or depressed' people. I wonder if there are people still buying it.

It's not clear yet that he's even Muslim. In his room, they found amok-related newspaper articles. There is no evidence for a correlation with islamism.

[Vlerchan]

What I meant was that it could be similar to San Bernadino in where the perpetrators were radicalized at home and commited heinous acts
The issue is that Shi'ites, and most Iranians are from that denomination, don't have their equivalent terror movements to that of Sunnis. It's possible that it might have happened - but I would be sceptical of all claims in that regards.

[sqishy]

LMAO,muslims killing people or running over people aren't terrorists...... they are all 'psychos or depressed' people. I wonder if there are people still buying it.

Seriously, FFS...

The shooter was alone, of German nationality, and of Iranian descent. He had no criminal record.

Any psychological problems as a factor in the shooting were clearly severe taking what he did. This is an exceptional case of being mentally ill, and is in no way a general indicator of what mentally ill people are like. If you're categorising depressed people with dangerous anti-social disturbed people, then I do worry.

The 'muslim terrorists!' card can't be played here. By all means rip it to shreds.

End of story.

[Ghaem]

The issue is that Shi'ites, and most Iranians are from that denomination, don't have their equivalent terror movements to that of Sunnis. It's possible that it might have happened - but I would be sceptical of all claims in that regards.

To be fair, Terrorism with its current definition is considered "Fighting with God" in Shia jurisprudence and those involved are to be sentenced to death. I think it would be good if it was done in Europe too, for sure before actually beginning their operation and exactly when they are planning the attacks.

[german_boy]

He had the Iranian citizenship but no islamistic things have been found in his flat. Moreover, a book called "amok in the head - why students kill" has been found there.

Rumors say that his family is, like many emigrated Iranians, Christian.

[Vlerchan]

Ali Sonboly's hairdresser described him as a "typical teen" who was "quiet, didn't talk much" and who "wasn't religious".

He said he didn't believe the attack could have been an Isil-inspired Paris-style terror attack, because the family were Shia Muslims.

"They're Shias," the hairdresser, who gave his name only as Hakan, said."How could he be with Isil? Isil hate the Shia."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

Reports that he also had Brevik as his whatsap profile picture at one stage - though the source is Bild.de, and Bild is thrash.

[Living For Love]

He was a troubled, depressed and mentally unstable kid, but he was also bullied during his childhood for being different.

[german_boy]

Ali Sonboly's hairdresser described him as a "typical teen" who was "quiet, didn't talk much" and who "wasn't religious".

He said he didn't believe the attack could have been an Isil-inspired Paris-style terror attack, because the family were Shia Muslims.

"They're Shias," the hairdresser, who gave his name only as Hakan, said."How could he be with Isil? Isil hate the Shia."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

Reports that he also had Brevik as his whatsap profile picture at one stage - though the source is Bild.de, and Bild is thrash.

The hairdresser. A reliable source.
Actually, his first name is David, his second name is Ali. And yeah, Bild is trash.

[Vlerchan]

The hairdresser. A reliable source.
I'm only interested in the bolded, which I imagine she could safely confirm.

[german_boy]

I'm only interested in the bolded, which I imagine she could safely confirm.

It isn't confirmed by authorities.

[Dalcourt]

So it seems the shooting was carried out by a depressed and troubled teen who just happened to be of Iranian decent and not by some Muslim terrorist....a sad day for people who love to jump at conclusions without waiting for facts.

[Vlerchan]

It isn't confirmed by authorities.
Do you think authorities are going to confirm his religious denomination? It's needless information, and not linked to the investigation at this stage.

So, the word of the hairdresser is what we have to go off, and I am more than willing to take her word.

[german_boy]

Do you think authorities are going to confirm his religious denomination? It's needless information, and not linked to the investigation at this stage.

So, the word of the hairdresser is what we have to go off, and I am more than willing to take her word.

Are you as well taking the word of the eyewitness who reported that he shouted islamistic stuff in the fast food restaurant (CNN reported).

I work for the media (a local newspaper). A report of only one person isn't reliable enough to verify a source.

[Vlerchan]

Are you as well taking the word of the eyewitness who reported that he shouted islamistic stuff in the fast food restaurant (CNN reported).
No. But then thee's all sort of issues with reporting from a crime-scene that don't come into taking a statement from a hairdresser that indicates she knew him. Furthermore, it's a statement built on the strong likelihood that he was Shia in the first place, being Iranian.

Would I publish as him being a definite Shia Muslim: probably not. But going forward with the entire investigation, it helps build a lens through which we can examine the situation through (i.e., probably not Islamic terrorist). If it turns out I'm incorrect, I re-evaluate.

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I work with probabilities and confidence intervals.

[Ghaem]

What type of name is that? David Ali?

[german_boy]

Authorities call him "David" and have never mentioned the name "Ali". He might have called himself "Ali". That's the name of his unverified facebook account. Ali might be his second name.

[Ghaem]

german_boy, I think the best thing which we can do right now is to wait for more info.

[Leprous]

german_boy, I think the best thing which we can do right now is to wait for more info.

Yeah never jump to any conclusions before we actually know what happened. This might just be a lone wolf. If this was ISIS I would expect this to be on a larger scale. 9 deaths is still 9 too many but on this scale I would expect a lone wolf and not a massive terrorist group funded by allot of countries.

[Ghaem]

Yeah never jump to any conclusions before we actually know what happened. This might just be a lone wolf. If this was ISIS I would expect this to be on a larger scale. 9 deaths is still 9 too many but on this scale I would expect a lone wolf and not a massive terrorist group funded by allot of countries.

Probably. Let's just hope such things will not happen again for now. I only wish it does not fuel anymore acts like this to be done by others.

[Jinglebottom]

http://www.dw.com/en/man-armed-with-machete-kills-woman-in-germany/a-19424224

[Vlerchan]

Police stated that the suspect is a 21-year-old male refugee from Syria who is known to authorities for previous acts of violence.

http://www.dw.com/en/man-armed-with-machete-kills-woman-in-germany/a-19424224

:/

[Leprous]

Police stated that the suspect is a 21-year-old male refugee from Syria who is known to authorities for previous acts of violence.

http://www.dw.com/en/man-armed-with-machete-kills-woman-in-germany/a-19424224

:/

Oh boy. Prepare yourself for the anti Muslim hate speech.

[Ghaem]

Oh boy. Prepare yourself for the anti Muslim hate speech.

Prepared.

[Jinglebottom]

WTF is going on. (http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/mobile/id4956)

[Ghaem]

WTF is going on. (http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/mobile/id4956)

Definitely. Three attacks in lesser than 12 days in one country? Thanks God I'm living where I am.

[PlasmaHam]

Remind me to never move to Europe anytime soon.

[Jinglebottom]

Definitely. Three attacks in lesser than 12 days in one country? Thanks God I'm living where I am.
Gosh. Germany lately has been making my country seem like a safe haven.

[Ghaem]

Gosh. Germany lately has been making my country seem like a safe haven.




I'm beginning to get suspicious of these attacks though. I think something more than just Fanatics killing people is involved. Hope I am wrong in this matter.

[german_boy]

Actually four attacks within 7 days. It's so horrible. I walked through Munich today, the people were so scared even 2 days after the events at my city.

My American friends who visited us for vacations were in the city center when the attack on the mall happened. The children are traumatized due to the panic.

WTF is going on? At least we got a strong police that acts quickly and professionally. That makes us feel safer.

[Ghaem]

Actually four attacks within 7 days. It's so horrible. I walked through Munich today, the people were so scared even 2 days after the events at my city.

My American friends who visited us for vacations were in the city center when the attack on the mall happened. The children are traumatized due to the panic.

WTF is going on? At least we got a strong police that acts quickly and professionally. That makes us feel safer.


Really do not know what to say. Hope it ends soon enough. We are having enough here in this region, I surely do not want anymore violence in Europe anymore.

[german_boy]

According to Bavaria's interior minister the Ansbach bombing has been committed willingly by a 27 year old Syrian refugee who had attempted suicide before several times because his application has been refused by authorities.

Source: BR24.de

[Stronk Serb]

Remind me to never move to Europe anytime soon.

Serbia us good, even though it is surrounded by extremist hotspots called Bosnia and Kosovo. You literally have hugher chances if dying from a car crash while the pubkic transoort like a tram or a bus than in a terror attack.

[Dalcourt]

Serbia us good, even though it is surrounded by extremist hotspots called Bosnia and Kosovo. You literally have hugher chances if dying from a car crash while the pubkic transoort like a tram or a bus than in a terror attack.

Lol, I guess no US citizen should worry too much about safety in other countries. The Munich shooting wasn't a terrorist attack but something that happens here in the states quite often...there's been at least two shootings not too far from where I live this weekend no deaths but still...

I feel like apart from those really bad things like in Nice some time ago people seem to get hysterical and things are blown out of proportion.

[Leprous]

Remind me to never move to Europe anytime soon.

Because every European country is a shithole where this happens often. This is stupid. Like the US doesn't have any problems with violence.

Oh right Trump said Brussels is a hellhole! Must be true! Do you actually believe him on this? I am really interested to see your opinion on this.

(Actually I am proud that I can call Brussels my capital city just so you know that place is beautiful)

Ghaem I know what is going on. The recent terror is a pushing factor for these mentally unstable people. They get motivated by these things. The 8attack art Munich was too small (I hate having to say that) to be ISIS. Same for the bomb earlier today. These people are all being triggered, anyone who is radical needs to leave though. They don't deserve Europe and they have no clue how good they have it here.

Let's hope my theory is correct as it can be way worse.

[Ghaem]

The Special One, Here we deal with such people the way they have to be dealt with. I find you planning to threaten security of the nation, you will be executed. The same has to go in Europe I believe. Security must do well enough to find these things out before it goes out itself.

[Dalcourt]

German authorities have made it clear enough that the attack in Munich didn't have to anything with Islamic terroism of any kind. The shooter was interested in school shootings and obviously visited places like Winnenden a place where a school shooting comparable to the infamous Littleton school schooting in the US took place.

The fact that the shooter was of Iranian ancestry had nothing to do with the attack. He just had mental problems and felt bullied by his peers.

As far as it goes for the other attacks mentioned I feel they should not be discussed in this thread... maybe we should do a new one for them? It just goes too off topic here.

[phuckphace]

who else is TOTALLY PSYCHED for Endlösung 2.0? gonna be LIT

[Dalcourt]

who else is TOTALLY PSYCHED for Endlösung 2.0? gonna be LIT

And what should Endlösung 2.0 look like !?

[phuckphace]

And what should Endlösung 2.0 look like !?

kinda like Endlösung 1.0 except that it actually happens and the good guys win

I never thought I'd say this but as of late I've been getting these good vibes that the multikulty gayworld we live in is just about out of time, and the day will come, sooner than we expect, when it is finally shoved off by a cascade of violent revolts. remember back in the good old days when Caesar just wanted your tax gold and salute? our rulers are literally trying to wipe us out, and the only thing that's prevented such a revolt to date is mass ignorance of what's really going on. thankfully though, the Internet's magical ability to route around Lügenpresse is changing this.

[sqishy]

The Special One, Here we deal with such people the way they have to be dealt with. I find you planning to threaten security of the nation, you will be executed. The same has to go in Europe I believe. Security must do well enough to find these things out before it goes out itself.

What qualifies as planning to threaten the security of a nation, for you?


Police stated that the suspect is a 21-year-old male refugee from Syria who is known to authorities for previous acts of violence.

http://www.dw.com/en/man-armed-with-machete-kills-woman-in-germany/a-19424224

:/

:/ indeed.

The gates of generalisation open wide, along with the 'muslim terrorists!' card getting another play in the game of rhetoric.

[Vlerchan]

kinda like Endlösung 1.0 except that it actually happens and the good guys win
Plot twist: Endlösung 1.0 was WWII.

(Oh shit. Google tells me it actually was. Excuse this then.)

[Dalcourt]

kinda like Endlösung 1.0 except that it actually happens and the good guys win

I never thought I'd say this but as of late I've been getting these good vibes that the multikulty gayworld we live in is just about out of time, and the day will come, sooner than we expect, when it is finally shoved off by a cascade of violent revolts. remember back in the good old days when Caesar just wanted your tax gold and salute? our rulers are literally trying to wipe us out, and the only thing that's prevented such a revolt to date is mass ignorance of what's really going on. thankfully though, the Internet's magical ability to route around Lügenpresse is changing this.

It's cool how you not only use Nazi phrases but also German Schlagwörter coined by Pegida an AfD...but I still think we should find our own vocabulary for these things.

[Leprous]

The Special One, Here we deal with such people the way they have to be dealt with. I find you planning to threaten security of the nation, you will be executed. The same has to go in Europe I believe. Security must do well enough to find these things out before it goes out itself.

I never said they shouldn't be dealt with. Get rid of all of them. The crazy ones with a criminal record.

[PlasmaHam]

Because every European country is a shithole where this happens often. This is stupid. Like the US doesn't have any problems with violence.


I was joking.

[Ghaem]

Paraxiom, For me? Well I think you have to ask of those for authorities.

First, possession of military grade arms which are illegal. Second, connection with foreign elements. Third, possession of components required for making explosives. For example recently two individuals were arrested on charges of attempting to explode bombs in different areas of capital. They were being monitored since two weeks before their operation.

[PlasmaHam]

Europe needs a new Charles Martel. Stop all this infighting and actually deal with these people.

(Don't start claiming I'm taking about a Muslim massacre or whatever, we just need to deal with these rising attacks)

[Leprous]

I was joking.

I still asked you your opinion on what Trump said about Brussels though. Would love to know.

If you plan on replying.

[sqishy]

Paraxiom, For me? Well I think you have to ask of those for authorities.

First, possession of military grade arms which are illegal. Second, connection with foreign elements. Third, possession of components required for making explosives. For example recently two individuals were arrested on charges of attempting to explode bombs in different areas of capital. They were being monitored since two weeks before their operation.

Alright then.

[PlasmaHam]

I still asked you your opinion on what Trump said about Brussels though. Would love to know.

If you plan on replying.

At what relevancy is that towards the Munich Shootings? I want to discuss stopping these attacks and all it seems like you want to do is bashing Trump.

[Vlerchan]

At what relevancy is that towards the Munich Shootings?
Not much can be done to stop shootings like what happened in Munich, other than teach people to be more vigilante around mental illness.

[Leprous]

At what relevancy is that towards the Munich Shootings? I want to discuss stopping these attacks and all it seems like you want to do is bashing Trump.

Actually I wanted your opinion but okay

[german_boy]

More details were published by authorities today: The Munich shooter was a racist. He was a fan of the party AfD, a populistic right-wing party that is considered to be nationalistic and racist. He identified himself as an "Arian" and hated Turkish people.

[Dalcourt]

Yes I read that too online...like he was proud that he was born on the same day as Hitler and did the shooting on the 5th anniversary of the Breivik shooting.

So no religious fanatic fighting for ISIS at all...maybe that calms o the mass hysteria that all crimes have islamic terrorists behind them a little.

It's equally sad for the victims, though and doesn't make it any less horrible of course.

But it shows that evil comes from different directions and has all kinds of different faces...

[Ghaem]

More details were published by authorities today: The Munich shooter was a racist. He was a fan of the party AfD, a populistic right-wing party that is considered to be nationalistic and racist. He identified himself as an "Arian" and hated Turkish people.

A Typical Racist, Cyrus-crazed, Pre-Islamic Iran buff Iranian you ask me. We have the same here, and the hatred mostly toward Arabs here.