Cancel the election!!

[Cadanance00]

We have the two most unpopular candidates in history. I know how it happened but it should be inconceivable that the most unpopular candidates should get the nominations. I know, I know. One got there by support from angry white people who would nominate an obvious lunatic to spite liberals, and the other worked the party system for years to get it. Why don't we just cancel it and better luck next time?

Doesn't seem right. But I'm not one of those people who would trash our constitutional democracy to make it like I think it should be.
~Caen

[mattsmith48]

We have the two most unpopular candidates in history. I know how it happened but it should be inconceivable that the most unpopular candidates should get the nominations. I know, I know. One got there by support from angry white people who would nominate an obvious lunatic to spite liberals, and the other worked the party system for years to get it. Why don't we just cancel it and better luck next time?

Doesn't seem right. But I'm not one of those people who would trash our constitutional democracy to make it like I think it should be.
~Caen

The problem is you guys only have two parties who are conservative and liberals dont have anyone. The democrates are conservatives who are pro-choice and for gay mariage. The republican party they are a fucking cartoon. South Park couldnt write anything crazier then that.

[Moriya]

You know what I think? Either America should take a break or opt for a Prime Minister. Or you know, somebody bomb it. I'm fine with either option.

[PlasmaHam]

This election is nothing like I imagined it to be two years ago. Hillary is crooked and only got the nomination due to party relations, and Trump has a huge ego that happens to go well with the disgruntled conservatives. But I really don't see how cancelling the election will make it better. For some reason, America chose these two so we must deal with it.

I am in no way in favor of America going towards a parliamentary system of multiple parties. All that does is split the voters up, making it so that a united minority can have more power than a divided majority. The recent elections in the UK and Canada show that the elected leaders rarely gets over 50% of the vote.

I just hope that Congress would step up and stop letting the presidency trod all over them. Obama and Bush both have abused the power of the presidency in ways the Constitution prohibits. A united Congress, which would probably happen once either of these take office, should keep the executive in their place

[Rydar8]

Even in the 1864 electon during the civil war plenty of people called for the election to be cancled until the war was over. but it was Lincoln whio said "we cannot have free government without elections" so no matter what happens, elections are necessary to maintain our free government, so keep it going and lets see what happens.

[Just JT]

This election....it's an embarrassment to say I'm an American. All the options are shit, they all suck. Just don't get how these 2 people are the "best we got"!!!! Wtf!!:(

[mattsmith48]

This election is nothing like I imagined it to be two years ago. Hillary is crooked and only got the nomination due to party relations, and Trump has a huge ego that happens to go well with the disgruntled conservatives. But I really don't see how cancelling the election will make it better. For some reason, America chose these two so we must deal with it.

I am in no way in favor of America going towards a parliamentary system of multiple parties. All that does is split the voters up, making it so that a united minority can have more power than a divided majority. The recent elections in the UK and Canada show that the elected leaders rarely gets over 50% of the vote.

I just hope that Congress would step up and stop letting the presidency trod all over them. Obama and Bush both have abused the power of the presidency in ways the Constitution prohibits. A united Congress, which would probably happen once either of these take office, should keep the executive in their place

The problem is that there is only two party who are both conservative, with a parlementary system theres more options and you can vote for what stand for instead of voting for the least worst.

[Flapjack]

I wish we could just keep Obama and move on.

[Cadanance00]

Just don't get how these 2 people are the "best we got"!!!! Wtf!!:(


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[Porpoise101]

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Aren't you from the UK?

[Flapjack]

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Aren't you from the UK?
Yeah I am and the president of the USA is one of the most powerful and influential positions in the world. Who is the next US president is will certainly effect every person on this planet.

[Cadanance00]

Yeah I am and the president of the USA is one of the most powerful and influential positions in the world. Who is the next US president is will certainly effect every person on this planet.

Yes, it will and we've had some real doozies.

[Flapjack]

Yes, it will and we've had some real doozies.
I just hope Jesus is resurrected, comes to the DNC and allows Bernie to run!!

[Cadanance00]

I just hope Jesus is resurrected, comes to the DNC and allows Bernie to run!!

Somehow I don't think Jesus would go to one of our conventions. If he did he'd bring along that whip.

[Flapjack]

Somehow I don't think Jesus would go to one of our conventions. If he did he'd bring along that whip.
We all deserve a whip for allowing of those two fruit loops to be the future president!!!

[Dalcourt]

Well after a row of bad presidents (as I wouldn't consider Bush or Obama A+ presidents either ) those two are what America wanted...they have been elected as the candidates remember so it is what people wanted, right

Maybe if we have to suffer for the following years due to having voted for some shit candidate people will wake up and realise what democracy and politics is about.

People just seem to have voted Trump to spite the others and due to their frustration with their whole situation.
Clinton, well I hope that even if it was all about party politics, I still hope she gets a gripnon herself and we have at least one halfway agreeable candidate.

Well maybe we have to walk through a dark valley with a bad president to come out as a great nation again or we are lost forever :p

[bandofbros20]

We have the two most unpopular candidates in history. I know how it happened but it should be inconceivable that the most unpopular candidates should get the nominations. I know, I know. One got there by support from angry white people who would nominate an obvious lunatic to spite liberals, and the other worked the party system for years to get it. Why don't we just cancel it and better luck next time?

Doesn't seem right. But I'm not one of those people who would trash our constitutional democracy to make it like I think it should be.
~Caen

The thing is we DON'T only have ever 2 options. We have multiple Libertarians and an independent. Vote for one of them. Gary Johnson has my support. The thing is nobody knows about these people because the media is shit and doesn't cover really news and is bought out

[jamie_n5]

I think that it shows just how fed up the citizens of the USA are with old blowhard politicians and them not getting anything done and especially not doing a damn thing about our national debt.

[mattsmith48]

I think that it shows just how fed up the citizens of the USA are with old blowhard politicians and them not getting anything done and especially not doing a damn thing about our national debt.

There is also the part of people being scared of the world ending if trump gets elected

[jamie_n5]

Well I know Trump is very verbal and has said some things. He is learning through the campaign that he needs to think before he speaks and I think he would do alright. If you listened to his speech last night you could see he has become more presidential and calmed down. The mud slinging between him and Clinton has just been warming up though I am afraid.

[mattsmith48]

Well I know Trump is very verbal and has said some things. He is learning through the campaign that he needs to think before he speaks and I think he would do alright. If you listened to his speech last night you could see he has become more presidential and calmed down. The mud slinging between him and Clinton has just been warming up though I am afraid.

I did listen to his speech last night in what way did he became more presidential beside not telling the crowd to punch the protester who interupted his speech?

[jamie_n5]

Well you won't change Trump totally that is what he is. I just meant to say that he is calming down and starting to act more presidential than he did at the beginning of the campaign. Hillary has quite a mouth on her too if you haven't noticed. The way she treated White House staff and Secret Service agents in the past is shameful and very uncalled for to say the least.

[Jay21]

I did listen to his speech last night in what way did he became more presidential beside not telling the crowd to punch the protester who interupted his speech?
To be fair Trump's supporters are rarely ever the violent ones. Often times it is the protestors against Trump that incite the violence.

I too felt he was more presidential in his speech last night. He referred to Hillary as his opponent rather than "Crooked Hillary". He gave in-depth review of his policies. I thought it was a great speech for Trump and it shows how much he's matured this election cycle

[Leprous]

Well I know Trump is very verbal and has said some things. He is learning through the campaign that he needs to think before he speaks and I think he would do alright. If you listened to his speech last night you could see he has become more presidential and calmed down. The mud slinging between him and Clinton has just been warming up though I am afraid.

You know his speech was actually insanely stupid right? I saw the thing and laughed.

[jamie_n5]

Well it's a free county so we can be free to choose and speak. If Hillary gets it I would like to hear what you have to say in 4 years.

[Leprous]

Well it's a free county so we can be free to choose and speak. If Hillary gets it I would like to hear what you have to say in 4 years.

Freedom of speech yes. That doesn't mean he didn't say stupid things though. Things that most smart people woule see as downright retarded.

[Jay21]

You know his speech was actually insanely stupid right? I saw the thing and laughed.
I do the same whenever I hear Clinton speak. You clearly do not support Trump and will find anything that he says insanely stupid, as will I in terms of anything Clinton says.

While you are certainly entitled to your own opinions, you should not tell others how they should think a certain speech went. Instead, give actual intelligent arguements as to why you were not a fan of the speech and perhaps then you would be able to change somebody's mind.

[Leprous]

I do the same whenever I hear Clinton speak. You clearly do not support Trump and will find anything that he says insanely stupid, as will I in terms of anything Clinton says.

While you are certainly entitled to your own opinions, you should not tell others how they should think a certain speech went. Instead, give actual intelligent arguements as to why you were not a fan of the speech and perhaps then you would be able to change somebody's mind.

I never told him to think like me.

You want arguements? Sure.

Trump talked about Mexican and Syrian (lol) refugees. He then says 2 sentences later how he needs to know where they come from. This makes no sense as he said himself where they come from

Then, he said the US has Syrian refugees. You tell me how they will ever get in the US? They have virtually nothing and have to go to Europe on foot. Here in Belgium we have an actual problem with Syrian refugees flooding in.

He said no people from countries that had terrorists should be allowed to immigrate into Europe as far as I understood him. That is literally Europe.

He said the Orlando attack was Islamic terrorism, it was not.

I can also talk about other stuff but this is regarding the speech.

[PlasmaHam]

He said the Orlando attack was Islamic terrorism, it was not.



Really? Because all the evidence points towards Islamic terrorism.

[Leprous]

Really? Because all the evidence points towards Islamic terrorism.

I would love to hear about your evidence. Also that doesn't make the other things I said less relevant.

[PlasmaHam]

I would love to hear about your evidence. Also that doesn't make the other things I said less relevant.

What evidence points against it. I asked the question, and I don't have the time to state the obvious.

[Jay21]

I never told him to think like me.

You want arguements? Sure.

Trump talked about Mexican and Syrian (lol) refugees. He then says 2 sentences later how he needs to know where they come from. This makes no sense as he said himself where they come from

Then, he said the US has Syrian refugees. You tell me how they will ever get in the US? They have virtually nothing and have to go to Europe on foot. Here in Belgium we have an actual problem with Syrian refugees flooding in.

He said no people from countries that had terrorists should be allowed to immigrate into Europe as far as I understood him. That is literally Europe.

He said the Orlando attack was Islamic terrorism, it was not.

I can also talk about other stuff but this is regarding the speech.
You did tell him what to think, you clearly questioned his thought process by saying "you do realize his speech was insanely stupid right?". This was implying that he should think the same way you do, and that is that the speech was stupid.

That first arguement is awfully nit-picky and for all I know could have just been misunderstood by you, I did not catch this in the speech so I could be wrong, but regardless it is not a strong reason to think his speech was stupid.

There are multitudes of Syrian immigrants that have been permitted in the US by the Obama administration, please refer to the picture that has been supplied at the bottom.

He has no jurisdiction over what presides in Europe, yes. But it is the correct in saying what he did as Europe is making a mistake by admitting all these immigrants in. The bombing in Brussels was proven to be masterminded by a fake Syrian immigrant.

And to conclude, all evidence points toward the attack in Orlando as an act of Islamic terrorism, ISIS even claimed responsibility for it.

LINK TO PICTURE: http://8482-presscdn-0-13.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/refugee-map.jpg

[Leprous]

What evidence points against it. I asked the question, and I don't have the time to state the obvious.

You actually didn't ask me anything. The fact you refuse to respond to what I ask really says enough.

Also what do you have to say about the other points I said were stupid about his speech? I would love the opinion of a Trump supporter.

Jay21 ISIS actually claims allot these days that doesn't mean it was them.

Also, Brussels was also planned by people born in Brussels. Not immigrants.

[PlasmaHam]

The fact you refuse to respond to what I ask really says enough.


If your stance is so right, then why don't you respond to me? Orlando being an Islamic attack is the general consensus, I don't really need to support my position. You're the one with the idea that isn't accepted, in fact, I don't even know what you think the motive is, would you atleast stay on my level and explain what you think the motive is. I think Islam, you think...

[Jay21]

Jay21 ISIS actually claims allot these days that doesn't mean it was them.

Also, Brussels was also planned by people born in Brussels. Not immigrants.
The fact that ISIS claims it clearly means that they felt the attack was inspired by their belief system, so it was an attack of radical Islam.

And no, the mastermind behind the attack came into Europe on a fake refugee visa, and was able to freely move between France and Belgium in order to orchestrate the attack and go into hiding.

[Leprous]

If your stance is so right, then why don't you respond to me? Orlando being an Islamic attack is the general consensus, I don't really need to support my position. You're the one with the idea that isn't accepted, in fact, I don't even know what you think the motive is, would you atleast stay on my level and explain what you think the motive is. I think Islam, you think...

What I meant was thay this was not organised Islam terrorism. Is there proof ISIS is behind this appart from them claiming it? And their claims are no solid proof. I never denied it being a Muslim attacking, I do deny it is organised terrorism like Brussels and Paris.

Also will you respond so my other points or ignore them a third time? I replied to you. You reply to me.
Jay21 ISIS claims these to make people scared. That is the point of terrorism, spread fear amongst the masses.

Are you referring to Salam Abdeslam with 'the mastermind'? Because he is seen as the mastermind and was born in Belgium.

[PlasmaHam]

What I meant was thay this was not organised Islam terrorism. Is there proof ISIS is behind this appart from them claiming it? And their claims are no solid proof. I never denied it being a Muslim attacking, I do deny it is organised terrorism like Brussels and Paris.

Also will you respond so my other points or ignore them a third time? I replied to you. You reply to me.

So, your point about Orlando and Trump was wrong. Islamic terrorism is terrorism based upon the principles of Islam, ISIS doesn't control the market in Islamic terrorism. I don't know how it is in your country, but when we refer to Islamic terrorism, we don't just mean ISIS attacks.

I feel that your other points are just exaggerations and nit-pickings, you weren't referring to me anyway when you posted them, I just found your claims about Orlando crazy.

[Leprous]

So, your point about Orlando and Trump was wrong. Islamic terrorism is terrorism based upon the principles of Islam, ISIS doesn't control the market in Islamic terrorism. I don't know how it is in your country, but when we refer to Islamic terrorism, we don't just mean ISIS attacks.

I feel that your other points are just exaggerations and nit-pickings, you weren't referring to me anyway when you posted them, I just found your claims about Orlando crazy.

All the other points are actually what I observed during his speech, might I ask if you even saw the whole thing?

As I said, I meant ORGANISED terrorism AKA a group of extremists. In my country there is a massive problem incase you didn't know that yet. (According to Trump I live in a beautiful city aka Belgium, he said this.) Yes I might have been wrong on points but I still have my opinion that this is not the work of ISIS.

The thing is, you guys don't have attacks every month or so caused by radical Muslims. Here in Europe we have them allot. 3 in France alone.

[Jay21]

Are you referring to Salam Abdeslam with 'the mastermind'? Because he is seen as the mastermind and was born in Belgium.
I believe who I am speaking about is Mohamed Abrini, I have not heard of Salam Abdeslam

[jamie_n5]

All the other points are actually what I observed during his speech, might I ask if you even saw the whole thing?

As I said, I meant ORGANISED terrorism AKA a group of extremists. In my country there is a massive problem incase you didn't know that yet. (According to Trump I live in a beautiful city aka Belgium, he said this.) Yes I might have been wrong on points but I still have my opinion that this is not the work of ISIS.

The thing is, you guys don't have attacks every month or so caused by radical Muslims. Here in Europe we have them allot. 3 in France alone.

You are not even an American Citizen. Why are you sticking your nose so deep in American politics when you have no vote??????

[Leprous]

I believe who I am speaking about is Mohamed Abrini, I have not heard of Salam Abdeslam

Well too bad but he was also born in Belgium. Salam is the other mastermind in these attacks. Both born in Belgium.

[Jay21]

Well too bad but he was also born in Belgium. Salam is the other mastermind in these attacks. Both born in Belgium.
And where are you getting this information? From what I have gathered, Abrini was one of the main contributors to the attack and he fought for ISIS in Syria

[Leprous]

You are not even an American Citizen. Why are you sticking your nose so deep in American politics when you have no vote??????

That is stupid. Does this mean I am no allowed to show interest in foreign politics? Does this mean that I do not have the right to give my opinion on issues in another country? In that case why is Trump calling Brussels a hellhole if he isn't Belgian?

People have the right to discuss whatever they want. Doed this mean you are not allowed to have an opinion on issues in for example Belgium? No.

I as a human being have this right to give my opinion, and you are not going to take that right away from me. You might aswell say this to half of ROTW now if you're going to act like that.
Jay21 Might I get you sources on that? Also going to sleep so will try to continue this debate later.

[PlasmaHam]

All the other points are actually what I observed during his speech, might I ask if you even saw the whole thing?

As I said, I meant ORGANISED terrorism AKA a group of extremists. In my country there is a massive problem incase you didn't know that yet. (According to Trump I live in a beautiful city aka Belgium, he said this.) Yes I might have been wrong on points but I still have my opinion that this is not the work of ISIS.



The focus of my posts was not to challenge the claim that ISIS didn't do the attack. The reasoning for my post was because you claim Trump was acting stupid and wrong when he said Orlando was an Islamic terror attack. You just admitted that is was. It doesn't matter your opinion on the subject, what matters is that you said Trump was stupid when he said Orlando was Islamic terror, which is clearly wrong on your part.

[Leprous]

The focus of my posts was not to challenge the claim that ISIS didn't do the attack. The reasoning for my post was because you claim Trump was acting stupid and wrong when he said Orlando was an Islamic terror attack. You just admitted that is was. It doesn't matter your opinion on the subject, what matters is that you said Trump was stupid when he said Orlando was Islamic terror, which is clearly wrong on your part.

I said I was wrong. I have the right to state my opinion. I am not saying yours doesn't matter on the subject either. In a debate people give their opinions, you know that right? Anyways I feel like this debate is as good as over, I'll just go to sleep and probably wake up with a massive notification spam so it might take me a while to reply.

[PlasmaHam]

I said I was wrong. I have the right to state my opinion. I am not saying yours doesn't matter on the subject either. In a debate people give their opinions, you know that right? Anyways I feel like this debate is as good as over, I'll just go to sleep and probably wake up with a massive notification spam so it might take me a while to reply.

I'm fine with an opinion, but you were claiming yours as fact.

[Jay21]

Jay21 Might I get you sources on that? Also going to sleep so will try to continue this debate later.
Yes of course, here they are.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/brussels-bomb-police-arrest-another-suspect-amid-raid-etterbeek-n553406

I could be misunderstanding the articles of course but there they are. Alright sleep well then :)

[Leprous]

Yes of course, here they are.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/brussels-bomb-police-arrest-another-suspect-amid-raid-etterbeek-n553406

I could be misunderstanding the articles of course but there they are. Alright sleep well then :)

Doesn't say he was born in Syria though, oh well, thanks!

[mattsmith48]

To be fair Trump's supporters are rarely ever the violent ones. Often times it is the protestors against Trump that incite the violence.

I too felt he was more presidential in his speech last night. He referred to Hillary as his opponent rather than "Crooked Hillary". He gave in-depth review of his policies. I thought it was a great speech for Trump and it shows how much he's matured this election cycle

Your right he only had the most violant rallies in US history and he was encouraging his supporter to assault people.

The guy yelled hatred, fear and lies in a microphone for 75mins thats what you called presidential? Is speech was literally: ''Mexicans are gonna kill us, Criminals are gonna kill us, Muslim are gonna kill us, Im the only one who can save you is me believe me'' This guy thing hes God or something. The last person to say believe me that often in a speech was when Joseph Smith came up with mormonism.

[sqishy]

Cancelling the upcoming election has the potential to fracture the US and send it into civil war.

I'm of a personal view that the US is seriously messed up, and one way or another increasingly bad events will happen.

[Cygnus]

As Joseph de Maitre said, every country gets the government it deserves.

The US hasn't done the educational job it needs to do in order to have informed voters that pick the candidates that are truly best for their nation. This is what happens in return. No need to cancel the election, learn from it in four years from now.

[WhoWhatWhen]

I agree. Wish Bernie Sanders hadn't lost. He seemed like the only hope :-x

[Flapjack]

I agree. Wish Bernie Sanders hadn't lost. He seemed like the only hope :-x
This is just how I feel!!:mad: