3 Baton Rouge police officers feared dead in shooting

[Exocet]

thatcountrykid

(CNN) — Three officers are feared dead after a shooting in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, officials said.

Kip Holden, the mayor-president of East Baton Rouge Parish Kip Holden, said authorities were still trying to get a handle on the situation, but added, “The count is three officers dead possibly.”

The victims may include police officers and sheriff’s deputies.

http://fox13now.com/2016/07/17/3-baton-rouge-police-officers-feared-dead-in-shooting/

[Porpoise101]

Wonder what the motive was...

[Just JT]

Wonder what the motive was...


Whatever the motive, im quite sure we've heard it before, some shit don't change, unfortunately.
And on a Sunday to boot....

[Exocet]

It has been confirmed that 3 officers lost their lives and several others were injured. 1 suspect is down,others may be on the loose.

[Flapjack]

But no guys we don't need gun control because if only the victims had guns they would have been fine!!... Oh wait they did... next talking point?

How many more innocent men must die before the politicians in the US ignore the money being thrown at them and do what is right.

[Vlerchan]

But no guys we don't need gun control because if only the victims had guns they would have been fine!!... Oh wait they did... next talking point?
Firearm access tends to promote a higher intensity of violence. This is a pre-meditated murder, and it's highly dubious that things might have differed had it been more difficult for the shooter(s) to acquire the weapon(s).

On a broader point, not every gun-murder is a victory for anti-gun advocates, and it's sad that they treat it that way.

[mattsmith48]

But no guys we don't need gun control because if only the victims had guns they would have been fine!!... Oh wait they did... next talking point?
But If regular people had guns they could have stopped this from happening? Oh wait Louisiana is an open carry state. Next its that guns should be legal for regular people because criminals buy their guns on the black market anyway but I bet in a few hours theyre gonna announce he bought his gun legally.



How many more innocent men must die before the politicians in the US ignore the money being thrown at them and do what is right.

As long it doesnt affect their famillies or friends they wont do anything about it because its the NRA runs shit instead of facts and common sence.

[Flapjack]

and it's highly dubious that things might have differed had it been more difficult for the shooter(s) to acquire the weapon(s).


Why is it dubious? If a shooter could not acquire guns could he kill 3 armed cops? No.

But it won't stop every shooting because black market.
Nope it wouldn't but it would bring the ridiculously high amount of gun violence down.

On a broader point, not every gun-murder is a victory for anti-gun advocates, and it's sad that they treat it that way.
We don't treat it as a victory, we treat it as a tragedy. It pains us to see that another person has died and yet the hope that the corrupt US government and any common sense regulation seems miles off.

[Southside]

Sad people are making this into a gun control debate instead of a debate about the likely motive of the ambush...which is the recent cases of police brutality in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis

[Vlerchan]

If a shooter could not acquire guns could he kill 3 armed cops?
Please note that this is conditioned on the shooters being incapable of acquiring their weapons. This is a clearly pre-mediated situation, and had the shooters really desired to commit murder (like they did) you can be quite certain they would have gathered the means.

Like I said, ease of access to guns broadens the scope for escalations of violence, but I see little evidence that it eliminates premeditated assaults.

Nope it wouldn't but it would bring the ridiculously high amount of gun violence down.
I have argued this myself, and I am sure you have read the posts.

If you think this is responding to the points I'm making, you're missing the point.

Sad people are making this into a gun control debate instead of a debate about the likely motive of the ambush...
This, by the way, is what I figure the topic of the discussion should be.

[Flapjack]

Sad people are making this into a gun control debate instead of a debate about the likely motive of the ambush...which is the recent cases of police brutality in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis
Shooting police is not justified because of police brutality.

It is important to highlight the issue after events like this to show their really is a problem that cheap talking points don't fix.

[mattsmith48]

Sad people are making this into a gun control debate instead of a debate about the likely motive of the ambush...which is the recent cases of police brutality in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis

Well lack of gun control is part of the problem why cops shoots unarmed people

[Exocet]

But no guys we don't need gun control because if only the victims had guns they would have been fine!!... Oh wait they did... next talking point?

How many more innocent men must die before the politicians in the US ignore the money being thrown at them and do what is right.

All politicians are corrupt,they think about their interests first,and the interests of powerful groups who bribe them,nothing is going to change,sadly.
Those green notes are more important than anything else.

[PlasmaHam]

Oh, come on, we all know the motive behind all this. Hiding behind gun control just makes you look childish.

[Flapjack]

All politicians are corrupt,they think about their interests first,and the interests of powerful groups who bribe them,nothing is going to change,sadly.
Those green notes are more important than anything else.
So we shouldn't try? It can change by getting money out of politics and having state funded elections.
Oh, come on, we all know the motive behind all this. Hiding behind gun control just makes you look childish.
What is the motive?
Sad people are making this into a gun control debate instead of a debate about the likely motive of the ambush...which is the recent cases of police brutality in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis
Why does the motive matter? A crazy man killed innocent men. I don't care if he done it because of a mid life crisis or because of religion. Debating the motive won't save future lives.

[Vlerchan]

Police are looking for people in army fatigues, all black.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/ablackpanther.jpg?itok=cb5phYEW

In other words, it's almost certain that this is the work of the New Black Panthers - or a similar Black Power paramilitary operation, and the motive was hatred of the police.

[Flapjack]

Police are looking for people in army fatigues, all black.

image (http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/ablackpanther.jpg?itok=cb5phYEW)

In other words, it's almost certain that this is the work of the New Black Panthers - or a similar Black Power paramilitary operation, and the motive was hatred of the police.
Great so now all blacks can be discriminated against like Muslims. They are crazy murders. Same as Islamic and Christian terrorists.

[mattsmith48]

Police are looking for people in army fatigues, all black.

image (http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/ablackpanther.jpg?itok=cb5phYEW)

In other words, it's almost certain that this is the work of the New Black Panthers - or a similar Black Power paramilitary operation, and the motive was hatred of the police.

Its most likely, just like in Dallas, a guy who got pissed off after seeing so many videos of cops murder unarmed black people

[Vlerchan]

Great so now all blacks can be discriminated against like Muslims.
I never said that and I'm unsure how you're reading that out of my post.

This situation is the same as the existence of the KKK and historical lynchings doesn't mean it's open season or whites - or the existence of the IRA doesn't mean it's open season on the Irish.

They are crazy murders. Same as Islamic and Christian terrorists.
To emphasise, no-one has claimed that these actions are representative of the black population. NBP have long been recognised as a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organisation.

Though, I should add, I also don't think they're crazy.

[Flapjack]

I never said that and I'm unsure how you're reading that out of my post.

Not you specifically but the right wing are going to jump all over this.

This situation is the same as the existence of the KKK and historical lynchings doesn't mean it's open season or whites - or the existence of the IRA doesn't mean it's open season on the Irish.

No because the whites are the ones that wield the power. When fox news reports on this, I'll link you some of the articles.

[Porpoise101]

It seems to be that the suspect was not a Panther, but instead a follower of the Nation of Islam. Well then...

[thatcountrykid]

Firearm access tends to promote a higher intensity of violence. This is a pre-meditated murder, and it's highly dubious that things might have differed had it been more difficult for the shooter(s) to acquire the weapon(s).

On a broader point, not every gun-murder is a victory for anti-gun advocates, and it's sad that they treat it that way.

This was a terror attack plain and simple. And we all know from Paris and Brussels, they will find a way.

[Exocet]

Seems like he was a former Marine. So,isn't that worrying that cops have to deal with gangsters with military training ?

[mattsmith48]

Seems like he was a former Marine. So,isn't that worrying that cops have to deal with gangsters with military training ?

Have you seen what police officers in the US look like? I think there gonna be find. What people should really worry about is that crazy people like this guy can easily get a gun

[Exocet]

Have you seen what police officers in the US look like?

What do you mean by that ?

[mattsmith48]

What do you mean by that ?

They look like the millitary, they have weapons of war and they drive around in tanks

[Exocet]

They look like the millitary, they have weapons of war and they drive around in tanks

I think that you are putting in the same bag frontline cops and those from specialized unit.
Those from specialized units are of course going to be equipped with armored vehicles,shotguns,assault rifles,heavy body armors,helmets...

[mattsmith48]

I think that you are putting in the same bag frontline cops and those from specialized unit.
Those from specialized units are of course going to be equipped with armored vehicles,shotguns,assault rifles,heavy body armors,helmets...

no regular cops have this too its used shit from the real millitary and when they get new ones they give the old ones to the police.

[PlasmaHam]

No because the whites are the ones that wield the power. When fox news reports on this, I'll link you some of the articles.

You are either extremely naive or is actually crazy enough to believe that junk you keep spouting. There is no secret white power organization pulling the strings for this country. If so, we would be in a lot better shape. You sound like one of those crazy people on Ancient Aliens.

[Flapjack]

You are either extremely naive or is actually crazy enough to believe that junk you keep spouting. There is no secret white power organization pulling the strings for this country. If so, we would be in a lot better shape. You sound like one of those crazy people on Ancient Aliens.
I never said there was a white power organisation wielding the power?

Why would the world be in a better shape if there was a white power organisation pulling the strings?

[Professional Russian]

I never said there was a white power organisation wielding the power?

Why would the world be in a better shape if there was a white power organisation pulling the strings?

because alot of organizations such as the masons, WHICH ARENT RACIST OR SACRILEGIOUS, have a laid out plan for the countrt, which while it's good to some and bad to some, it's alot better than the insanity running around now which, contrary to what people like to believe, can't easily be fixed by banning this or changing that. it takes a whole political reform along with basically a whole new government in the US because ours is corrupt as shit and needs hung at down if you ask me. or you know we could let the illuminati take over the whole world and live in a world wide dictatorship and then nothing could possibly go wrong at that point. or we could turn over all power to the little remnants of the Klan or the Mobs....it'doesn't be sooooooooooooo much better that way.

You are either extremely naive or is actually crazy enough to believe that junk you keep spouting. There is no secret white power organization pulling the strings for this country. If so, we would be in a lot better shape. You sound like one of those crazy people on Ancient Aliens.

i dont think you mean a white power organisationshould be in charge right? I mean Obama left a bad taste in my mouth but I don't think we need a whole white government and a white power onemail at that

[sqishy]

On a broader point, not every gun-murder is a victory for anti-gun advocates, and it's sad that they treat it that way.

Many anti-gun advocates may go this way, but not all (me interjecting again).


Sad people are making this into a gun control debate instead of a debate about the likely motive of the ambush...which is the recent cases of police brutality in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis

Vlerchan

I am saying similar about the debate in the Nice thread.

It is more reasonable to assume that whoever did it was unhappy with the mass shootings 'the other way around', but nevertheless it deserves good discussion, yes.


All politicians are corrupt,they think about their interests first,and the interests of powerful groups who bribe them,nothing is going to change,sadly.
Those green notes are more important than anything else.

I don't see it as all of them, but a good large proportion still.


Police are looking for people in army fatigues, all black.

In other words, it's almost certain that this is the work of the New Black Panthers - or a similar Black Power paramilitary operation, and the motive was hatred of the police.

You'd know more about that than me, but already it looks a good bet.


Great so now all blacks can be discriminated against like Muslims. They are crazy murders. Same as Islamic and Christian terrorists.


I'm admitting that I'm interjecting more than a few times here, but I still want to remind us not to generalise.


This was a terror attack plain and simple. And we all know from Paris and Brussels, they will find a way.

I think it was more an attack with perceived revenge in mind, rather than intention to spread fear. I don't see it as a terror attack for that.


Seems like he was a former Marine. So,isn't that worrying that cops have to deal with gangsters with military training ?

I'm guessing you mean that a psychological screening program should be in place for those wanting to join the military, and the police force too.


Professional Russian

Did you mean freemasonry when you said 'masons'?

[Professional Russian]

Professional Russian

Did you mean freemasonry when you said 'masons'?

yes.

[sqishy]

yes.

Alright.

[Professional Russian]

Alright.

are you gonna say anything about it? not instigating just wondering

[sqishy]

are you gonna say anything about it? not instigating just wondering

For future reference if a 'closer' topic comes up, sorry for not saying why.

[Devinsoccer]

"black lives matter" I agree with that but cops lives matter to. Some blacks are nice and cool, but the ones that go and kill cops are just cruel.

[Dalcourt]

Some blacks are nice and cool, but the ones that go and kill cops are just cruel.

Well this remark would go for about any person in the world regardless what color his or her skin has, right?



It's sad that things like that happen. It's sad that we have the same discussions again and again. And it's sad that things don't change at all.

Extremist views of whatever kind are always bad...and obviously black lives don't even matter to black extremists...since one of the killed police officers happend to be a black man.

[Stronk Serb]

If someine mentions racism and opression, when you look at the numbers: blacks make 13% of the whole US population. If the percieved white elites, racists and other shit wanted to exterminate the blacjs. That could easily be done. Now this would be the same as if the KKK started killing blacks en-masse, pretty bad. I don't think there is institutionalized racism as if the government insistutions encourage it, but there are racists in government institutions. Neither white power nor black power is good. I think what most Americans forget and which is written on a money bill and possibly their coat of arms, "United we stand.". The division along racial, economic and party lines never brought the Americans good. Look at the Civil War. Americans need to stop with this petty bickering and only when they acknowledge that they have a thing that connects them all, their homeland, that they are Americans. Guns should be regulatedbin a way that mentally unstable cannot obtain a firearm easily, by passing federal legislation requiring psychological exams, investigating your behaviour with your neighbors and having required firearm training. The police should also have better trigger discipline and better training. Also increase funding of asylums, mental hospitals and work on tackling unemployment and tackle differences between economic classes. It shouldn't get rid of the crime, but sure would decrease it.

[DriveAlive]

If someine mentions racism and opression, when you look at the numbers: blacks make 13% of the whole US population. If the percieved white elites, racists and other shit wanted to exterminate the blacjs. That could easily be done. Now this would be the same as if the KKK started killing blacks en-masse, pretty bad. I don't think there is institutionalized racism as if the government insistutions encourage it, but there are racists in government institutions. Neither white power nor black power is good. I think what most Americans forget and which is written on a money bill and possibly their coat of arms, "United we stand.". The division along racial, economic and party lines never brought the Americans good. Look at the Civil War. Americans need to stop with this petty bickering and only when they acknowledge that they have a thing that connects them all, their homeland, that they are Americans. Guns should be regulatedbin a way that mentally unstable cannot obtain a firearm easily, by passing federal legislation requiring psychological exams, investigating your behaviour with your neighbors and having required firearm training. The police should also have better trigger discipline and better training. Also increase funding of asylums, mental hospitals and work on tackling unemployment and tackle differences between economic classes. It shouldn't get rid of the crime, but sure would decrease it.

And if your neighbors are mattsmith48 and The Flapjack, then good luck getting a gun. The point of having something be right is that it cannot be arbitrarily denied.

[Flapjack]

And if your neighbors are mattsmith48 and The Flapjack, then good luck getting a gun. The point of having something be right is that it cannot be arbitrarily denied.
I think I make a perfectly good neighbour :D I

Tbh I think the gun control in the UK is too liberal, I would ban all guns under all circumstances.

[DriveAlive]

I think I make a perfectly good neighbour :D I

Tbh I think the gun control in the UK is too liberal, I would ban all guns under all circumstances.

This is exactly my point. If you have anti-gun neighbors, they could stop you from having guns under that system.

[Stronk Serb]

And if your neighbors are mattsmith48 and The Flapjack, then good luck getting a gun. The point of having something be right is that it cannot be arbitrarily denied.

Make it a felony to lie and use a "lie detector". Or just have them answer a few questions without citing the reason, or make regular sweeps around the neighbourhood asking questions about the neighbors if they are doing anything illegal. Focus on intoxicated violence, domestic violence and hard drug abuse.

This is exactly my point. If you have anti-gun neighbors, they could stop you from having guns under that system.

Well, look at my above post. The result of these regular sweeps could be used instead of interviews. I don't get why the fuck people are so dense about this stuff. i woukd never obstruct about that stuff if the guy is a perfect candidate.

I think I make a perfectly good neighbour :D I

Tbh I think the gun control in the UK is too liberal, I would ban all guns under all circumstances.

This way I can say all cargo traffic in France is bad so I would ban cargo trucks under all circumstances. Or I could say Muslims do a lot of terrorism so I would exile all Muslims and ban anything Islamic in the country. If you wish to ban guns for the sake of preventing gun deaths, you might as well ban all Abrahamic religions and their followers, cars, trucks, planes, gasoline etc. You need to draw the line between regulating something people generally have a right to in some measure and outlawing it and cracking down on freedoms. Usually the first way on the road to totalitarianism is to disarm the people. I am not talking about British style gun control, I am talking about making guns illegal for civilians and punishment for possesing firearms is death.

[Vlerchan]

Usually the first way on the road to totalitarianism is to disarm the people. I am not talking about British style gun control, I am talking about making guns illegal for civilians and punishment for possesing firearms is death.
Ireland had this. I believe we were one of the few post-colonial states not to turn to dictatorship during our existence - and the single European democracy founded in the 1920s that remained democratic.

I tend to be sceptical that guns keep democratic governments straight as much as political culture and institutions.

[Stronk Serb]

Ireland had this. I believe we were one of the few post-colonial states not to turn to dictatorship during our existence - and the single European democracy founded in the 1920s that remained democratic.

I tend to be sceptical that guns keep democratic governments straight as much as political culture and institutions.

Well, communist Russia had a large disarmament of the people after the Bolsheviks solidified their power. The Nazis effectively disarmed the entire civilian population. Not because of a counter revolution, but to stop subversive activities.

[Vlerchan]

Well, communist Russia had a large disarmament of the people after the Bolsheviks solidified their power. The Nazis effectively disarmed the entire civilian population. Not because of a counter revolution, but to stop subversive activities.
Gun control in Germany was quite strict before the Nazis came to power. The government also has the broad support of the German people.

Russia has never possesed a government that wasn't despotic for more than a decade. It gets to a stage where we need to concern ourselves with the people. Russians chose to rise up against liberal-democratic government (with their arms)*. Though in the case of the Bolsheviks it was limiting the spread of information that bettered protected them against the masses.

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* For an anti-democrat I find the reliance on the masses being encouraged bizarre too.

[Stronk Serb]

Gun control in Germany was quite strict before the Nazis came to power. The government also has the broad support of the German people.

Russia has never possesed a government that wasn't despotic for more than a decade. It gets to a stage where we need to concern ourselves with the people. Russians chose to rise up against liberal-democratic government (with their arms)*. Though in the case of the Bolsheviks it was limiting the spread of information that bettered protected them against the masses.

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* For an anti-democrat I find the reliance on the masses being encouraged bizarre too.

I am talking about small insignificant attacks against the government, obes which are more of a nuisance than an actual threat. We have pretty strict gun laws. It's more costly to own a gun and a carry permit than a fleet of sportscars. Also good luck on getting the carry permit.

[sqishy]

Usually the first way on the road to totalitarianism is to disarm the people. I am not talking about British style gun control, I am talking about making guns illegal for civilians and punishment for possesing firearms is death.

'Disarming the people' is irrelevant if you have a military which keeps to the side of the people.

Hopefully most who are against civilian gun ownership are also against a death penalty for those who are caught with them. I expect it to be most.

[Leprous]

This was a terror attack plain and simple. And we all know from Paris and Brussels, they will find a way.

Except those 2 were ISIS. Trump is blaming Muslims but why? Just to blame them?

[DriveAlive]

Make it a felony to lie and use a "lie detector". Or just have them answer a few questions without citing the reason, or make regular sweeps around the neighbourhood asking questions about the neighbors if they are doing anything illegal. Focus on intoxicated violence, domestic violence and hard drug abuse.



Well, look at my above post. The result of these regular sweeps could be used instead of interviews. I don't get why the fuck people are so dense about this stuff. i woukd never obstruct about that stuff if the guy is a perfect candidate.



This way I can say all cargo traffic in France is bad so I would ban cargo trucks under all circumstances. Or I could say Muslims do a lot of terrorism so I would exile all Muslims and ban anything Islamic in the country. If you wish to ban guns for the sake of preventing gun deaths, you might as well ban all Abrahamic religions and their followers, cars, trucks, planes, gasoline etc. You need to draw the line between regulating something people generally have a right to in some measure and outlawing it and cracking down on freedoms. Usually the first way on the road to totalitarianism is to disarm the people. I am not talking about British style gun control, I am talking about making guns illegal for civilians and punishment for possesing firearms is death.

Just consider the logistics of such a plan for a moment. Is this really the best, most efficient, and logical approach to gun control?

[Stronk Serb]

Just consider the logistics of such a plan for a moment. Is this really the best, most efficient, and logical approach to gun control?

If it would drop gun deaths and lower crime rates by at least 30%, it's worth it. Make these sweeps for all manner of crime, not just gun regulations. Essentiakky cops going from door to door asking questions about the neighborhood on the porch, in a friendly manner. Like 5-10 minutes per household. I wouldn't be for banning guns, just limiting access to them to a least amount of possible criminals possible.

'Disarming the people' is irrelevant if you have a military which keeps to the side of the people.

Hopefully most who are against civilian gun ownership are also against a death penalty for those who are caught with them. I expect it to be most.

Germany didn't have it after Hitler assumed power. He disarmed the population due to a large amount of paramilitary factions which generaly opposed him. The left-wing paramilitaries hated his nationalism, while the right-wing paramilitaries viewed him as an extremist and his Storm Battalions as uniformed thugs. Until he did away with the army limit imposed after Versailles, he used the regular army as a training ground for the SA and the SA overtook the role of the armed forces in everything except name.

Posts merged. ~Mars

[Flapjack]

This is exactly my point. If you have anti-gun neighbors, they could stop you from having guns under that system.
I think that system could still get abused but it is better than what the USA has now. It depends how it would be done tbh. If someone came to me and said 'will you allow you neighbour to own a gun?' I'd be like lol nope! But if they said 'You're neighbour has requested to purchase a gun, if you feel he has mental issues or is not suitable, please report so.' I obviously wouldn't accuse my neighbour of being mental and blame the government for making me live next to a gun.

[sqishy]

Germany didn't have it after Hitler assumed power. He disarmed the population due to a large amount of paramilitary factions which generaly opposed him. The left-wing paramilitaries hated his nationalism, while the right-wing paramilitaries viewed him as an extremist and his Storm Battalions as uniformed thugs. Until he did away with the army limit imposed after Versailles, he used the regular army as a training ground for the SA and the SA overtook the role of the armed forces in everything except name.


If you worry that events similar to this are going to happen again, then you can allow yourself one kind of gun - anything more I see as not necessary. A really good system is needed for the general populace to have guns, because mass shootings are well know.

[Southside]

This was a terror attack plain and simple. And we all know from Paris and Brussels, they will find a way.

How was this a terrorist attack? So the guy who shot the officer in Kansas City today was also a terrorist?

Just like the stupid legislature in Louisiana tried to make killing a officer a hate crime. What category would a cop be under ? Race,color,religion, gender,disability,sexual orientation, gender identity,or ethnicity? :rolleyes:

[PlasmaHam]

How was this a terrorist attack? So the guy who shot the officer in Kansas City today was also a terrorist?

Just like the stupid legislature in Louisiana tried to make killing a officer a hate crime. What category would a cop be under ? Race,color,religion, gender,disability,sexual orientation, gender identity,or ethnicity? :rolleyes:


A hate crime (also known as a bias-motivated crime) is a prejudice-motivated crime, often violent, which occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her membership (or perceived membership) in a certain social group.


This was a hate crime, whether you want to admit it or not. The anti-police rhetoric from all these Black Lives Matter protesters was going to result in something like this, and it has. When people are convinced a certain group is against them, they up rise against that group. Exactly what happened in Baton Rogue. If we want to stop these police deaths, then we need to stop putting fuel on this anti-police wildfire.

[PlasmaHam]

In memory of those who have perished.

"POLICEMAN'S PRAYER"

When I start my tour of duty God,
Wherever crime may be,
as I walk the darkened streets alone,
Let me be close to thee.

Please give me understanding with both the young and old.
Let me listen with attention until their story's told.
Let me never make a judgment in a rash or callous way,
but let me hold my patience let each man have his say.

Lord if some dark and dreary night,
I must give my life,
Lord, with your everlasting love
protect my children and my wife.

Poet: Unknown

[Porpoise101]

Just like the stupid legislature in Louisiana tried to make killing a officer a hate crime. What category would a cop be under ? Race,color,religion, gender,disability,sexual orientation, gender identity,or ethnicity? :rolleyes:
I would call it a hate crime because it was a targeted attack on police, with police forces being the intended victim. Not saying that the Louisiana legislature is right though because not all police deaths are resultant from targeted attacks.

[PlasmaHam]

I would call it a hate crime because it was a targeted attack on police, with police forces being the intended victim. Not saying that the Louisiana legislature is right though because not all police deaths are resultant from targeted attacks.

Not all the attacks upon black people are targeted either, yet the media likes to make it that way.

[Dalcourt]

Not all the attacks upon black people are targeted either, yet the media likes to make it that way.

Sure but the killings of black by cops aren't calles hate crimes either...most of them are just "tragic accidents" or something along that line.

Our states wanting to call the killings of cops a hate crime is nonsense...what this guy did to the cops in Baton Rouge was murder...nothing more or less. Never get why people are so fond with finding names for things anyway...Doesn't change what's done.