Theresa May to become British PM

[Judean Zealot]

It's kind of ironic that the Tories will have had two female Prime Ministers whilst Labour has not even had one.

[sqishy]

Here is the first good example of the post-brexit situation that I am not good with, despite my favour for a brexit.

My emoticon in this case will be :/

[Flapjack]

Well she is Conservative so I already worried but tbh I don't know any of her policies!Apparently she was a decent home secretary but I am deeply worried.

[sqishy]

Well she is Conservative so I already worried but tbh I don't know any of her policies!Apparently she was a decent home secretary but I am deeply worried.

A few random youtube video searches of her speeches should give you some POV that you seek.

[Flapjack]

It's kind of ironic that the Tories will have had two female Prime Ministers whilst Labour has not even had one.
That is the least of labours problems:p

[Judean Zealot]

That is the least of labours problems:p

I think Eagle only put her name forth as the challenger to Corbyn because she was confident of a simultaneous bloody Tory row, but now it is too late to pull out.

What do you feel about the mess Labour's in? I, obviously, feel nothing but unbridled delight, but what do you feel?

[sqishy]

What do you feel about the mess Labour's in? I, obviously, feel nothing but unbridled delight, but what do you feel?

May I interject and ask why you feel delight?

[Judean Zealot]

May I interject and ask why you feel delight?

Because were I an Englishman I would be a Tory, minus the monarchism of course. This struggle will maul the party awfully. I also intensely dislike Corbyn, so I am glad to see a very real prospect of him being thrown out on his ear.

[Exocet]

A tory ? A woman ? Nicknamed the second Thatcher ?
Mark my words,she will soon privatize the NHS,inshallah.

[sqishy]

Because were I an Englishman I would be a Tory, minus the monarchism of course. This struggle will maul the party awfully. I also intensely dislike Corbyn, so I am glad to see a very real prospect of him being thrown out on his ear.

I made guesses on your political leanings, but why do you intensely dislike Corbyn and 'his' party?

[Flapjack]

I think Eagle only put her name forth as the challenger to Corbyn because she was confident of a simultaneous bloody Tory row, but now it is too late to pull out.

What do you feel about the mess Labour's in? I, obviously, feel nothing but unbridled delight, but what do you feel?
I think the state of Labour is reallyyy concerning! I do not support Labour but with how things are now, there's no one to put pressure on the Tory Government.

[Judean Zealot]

I made guesses on your political leanings, but why do you intensely dislike Corbyn and 'his' party?

I have a deep distrust of any modern leftist party, but I particularly dislike Corbyn and his lackeys for their tepid rejection of the antisemitism that infects the Labour Party.

I think the state of Labour is reallyyy concerning! I do not support Labour but with how things are now, there's no one to put pressure on the Tory Government.

Are you a Liberal Democrat? I imagine that Labour's troubles will reanimate them.

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[sqishy]

I have a deep distrust of any modern leftist party, but I particularly dislike Corbyn and his lackeys for their tepid rejection of the antisemitism that infects the Labour Party.

Ah yes, I have heard this angle.
This would be due to the dislike/etc of Israel that the party overall holds, yes?

A dislike of Israel is not a dislike of Judaism. There is no equation of definition here.

[Judean Zealot]

Ah yes, I have heard this angle.
This would be due to the dislike/etc of Israel that the party overall holds, yes?

A dislike of Israel is not a dislike of Judaism. There is no equation of definition here.

I didn't mention their dislike of Israel. Although I detest them for that as well, I don't consider it morally reprehensible. The problem is that many of the Labour rank and file, particularly in the Corbyn faction, have transferred their hate from Israel to British Jews, on account of them being 'Zio's. All of my friends from the UK tell me that the Labour Party has mutated into quite a malevolent entity insofar as Jews are concerned.

[sqishy]

I didn't mention their dislike of Israel. Although I detest them for that as well, I don't consider it morally reprehensible. The problem is that many of the Labour rank and file, particularly in the Corbyn faction, have transferred their hate from Israel to British Jews, on account of them being 'Zio's. All of my friends from the UK tell me that the Labour Party has mutated into quite a malevolent entity insofar as Jews are concerned.

Perhaps the party perceives a proportion of the Jewish in the UK to be in favour of certain actions by Israel, those actions being argued as unjustified.

Other than that, there is a general view that many in the powerful regions of the economic realm are Jewish, which suggests that this is more than just a coincidence.

[Flapjack]

Are you a Liberal Democrat? I imagine that Labour's troubles will reanimate them.
Nope, there is no party in the UK I really align myself with but if I had to pick, I would choose the green party.:)

[Judean Zealot]

Perhaps the party perceives a proportion of the Jewish in the UK to be in favour of certain actions by Israel, those actions being argued as unjustified.

Of course the majority of British Jews are Zionist. The majority of all Jews are Zionist. That is entirely beside the point. The point is that the British Jews have been faithful citizens ever since Cromwell allowed them back in, and it is iniquitous to accuse them of colluding with a foreign power; to vandalise their homes, schools, and places of worship; to heckle them in the street and ostracise them from polite society. To persecute a patriotic demographic for holding political ideals one disagrees with, however passionately, is tyranny, which is of course the emerging modus operandi of the left.

Other than that, there is a general view that many in the powerful regions of the economic realm are Jewish, which suggests that this is more than just a coincidence.

This has been the canard of every antisemite of the past thousand years, from the Tsars of Russia to the fascist dictators. Your ascribing this position to the British left does little to ameliorate their moral position.

[sqishy]

Of course the majority of British Jews are Zionist. The majority of all Jews are Zionist. That is entirely beside the point. The point is that the British Jews have been faithful citizens ever since Cromwell allowed them back in, and it is iniquitous to accuse them of colluding with a foreign power; to vandalise their homes, schools, and places of worship; to heckle them in the street and ostracise them from polite society. To persecute a patriotic demographic for holding political ideals one disagrees with, however passionately, is tyranny, which is of course the emerging modus operandi of the left.

Where, when and how has this been carried out?



This has been the canard of every antisemite of the past thousand years, from the Tsars of Russia to the fascist dictators. Your ascribing this position to the British left does little to ameliorate their moral position.

I was not assigning it to the UK political left necessarily as a defence, instead I am offering it as a route of argument they can take. Also, the view does not hold any necessity with antisemitism - one could have the view and be in favour of it, or be indifferent, or whatever.

Of course the majority of British Jews are Zionist. The majority of all Jews are Zionist. That is entirely beside the point. The point is that the British Jews have been faithful citizens ever since Cromwell allowed them back in, and it is iniquitous to accuse them of colluding with a foreign power; to vandalise their homes, schools, and places of worship; to heckle them in the street and ostracise them from polite society. To persecute a patriotic demographic for holding political ideals one disagrees with, however passionately, is tyranny, which is of course the emerging modus operandi of the left.

Where, when and how has this been carried out?



This has been the canard of every antisemite of the past thousand years, from the Tsars of Russia to the fascist dictators. Your ascribing this position to the British left does little to ameliorate their moral position.

I was not assigning it to the UK political left necessarily as a defence, instead I am offering it as a route of argument they can take. Also, the view does not hold any necessity with antisemitism - one could have the view and be in favour of it, or be indifferent, or whatever.

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[Judean Zealot]

Where, when and how has this been carried out?


It happens all over the place and all the time, as anyone not hiding under a rock is aware.

Source 1 (http://www.vox.com/2016/4/29/11526516/anti-semitism-labour-jeremy-corbyn-ken-livingstone)
Source 2 (http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/157746/labour-support-among-british-jews-collapses-85-cent)
Source 3 (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/18/oxford-student-left-antisemitic-university-antisemitism-jewish-progressive-politics)
Source 4 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12160167/Oxford-Universitys-Labour-club-embroiled-in-anti-Semitism-row.html)

Ask any British Jew how comfortable they feel walking through leftist gatherings or Muslim neighbourhoods.



I was not assigning it to the UK political left necessarily as a defence, instead I am offering it as a route of argument they can take.

What does this even mean?

Also, the view does not hold any necessity with antisemitism - one could have the view and be in favour of it, or be indifferent, or whatever.

Yes - the same way the Nazi view that the Jew is a separate species is not necessarily antisemitic either; perhaps the Jews are in fact a superior specie! Fortunately for civilisation I don't think those sorts of argument hold up too well

[sqishy]

It happens all over the place and all the time, as anyone not hiding under a rock is aware.

Ask any British Jew how comfortable they feel walking through leftist gatherings or Muslim neighbourhoods.

Sources 1 and 2 are a further description of what you are already saying, which I'm already responding to.

Sources 3 and 4 are good (if not one and the same), if there is institutional discrimination against someone just because they are Jewish, it needs to stop. By all means!



What does this even mean?

It means I was giving an example of one way the party directs its arguments. That in itself is not a defence for it.



Yes - the same way the Nazi view that the Jew is a separate species is not necessarily antisemitic either; perhaps the Jews are in fact a superior specie! Fortunately for civilisation I don't think those sorts of argument hold up too well

I don't see the comparison.

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To keep it relevant, what POV does Theresa May have in this?

[Judean Zealot]

It means I was giving an example of one way the party directs its arguments. That in itself is not a defence for it.

What's the point of bringing up a nonsensical line of argument?



I don't see the comparison.

The point is quite clear. Bringing up an argument that has been used 95% of the time to support the suppression of the Jews is not ameliorated by the fact that in can be bizzarely construed as a compliment.

To keep it relevant, what POV does Theresa May have in this?

She has an impeccable record insofar as the British Jewish community is concerned.

[sqishy]

What's the point of bringing up a nonsensical line of argument?

I wasn't arguing anything, I was illustrating.

I seem to have hit a volatile issue with Corbyn and Co., which I'm feeling like stopping because this would fit in a thread of itself that I am not motivated to battle in.



The point is quite clear. Bringing up an argument that has been used 95% of the time to support the suppression of the Jews is not ameliorated by the fact that in can be bizzarely construed as a compliment.

Bizzare or not, it can happen.

Have you heard of Milo Yiannopoulos?



She has an impeccable record insofar as the British Jewish community is concerned.

Alright then.

[Judean Zealot]

In any event, I'm quite satisfied with May's cabinet picks. I don't know if Johnson is up for the job, but if he is he will continue to be a great friend of Israel.

[Vlerchan]

I don't know if Johnson is up for the job [...]
I'm not sure if she placed him in such a high profile position because [1] he seems to be in support of the Norwegian model, or [2] it's a matter of time before he shoots himself in the other foot and is forever removed as a thorn in the establishment's side. It might even be both.

The predictions of mine is that The U.K. government is going to attempt to hold out until the French and German elections and hope that there will be concessions drawn regarding immigration through those, which will be implemented at a broader European level. Then set course for the Norwegian model, which would basically place them back in the EU, but there won't be enough Romanians so that it's obvious to the median voter.

Interesting enough, without regards to the median voter, the Brexit vote has made it quite clear that she is much closer to those that are losers from globalisation that the establishment previously realised. Her rhetoric - which sounded distinctly christian-democrat - during her first speech as prime minister, was interesting when all this is considered. Sounds like there will be work done on compensating the losers so that greater globalisation can precede.

I'm surprisingly happy with how things have played out since the vote, too, anyways.

"I have already said that I won't be triggering Article 50 until I think that we have a UK approach and objectives for negotiations - I think it is important that we establish that before we trigger Article 50."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36800536

Seems like May is looking for a reason to water-down Brexit. You can almost see the speech writing itself:

"I promised to lead Britain out of the EU, and with the best of what was possible on the issue, that is what I have done."

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(Thank you for merging downwards, so the thread is bumped, Giygas).