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AustinKGB
July 8th, 2016, 07:11 AM
Hey Everyone,

I generally don't like to get involved in discussions like this, since it often leads to division and anger instead of intelligent conversation, but this is something I am tired of keeping bottled up. First of all I would like to express my sympathies for the victims families affected by the shootings that have happened over the past few days. Sometimes when discussing these issues we forget that some people have to feel their impact for the rest of their lives.

In this post I would like to try to bring some balance to and depolarize the narratives commonly repeated by the media, and as a result, the general populace. For the past 4 years, but especially after the death of Freddie Gray last year, a narrative that seeks to expose African Americans murdered and oppressed by a racist, American police force has been constructed and perpetuated by the media. This narrative is harmful to the fabric of America as it creates a division across racial lines, and because it is founded on a handful of highly-visible cases instead of fact.

Statistics:
Before talking about the effects of this narrative further, lets take a look at some statistics of deaths at the hands of the police. I will put a link to the Washington Post statistical compilation below- it lets you find the number of deaths during confrontation with police and sort through them based on race, gender, if the suspect had a weapon, etc.. It has been my experience that the most commonly repeated phrase you will hear when listening to social or political analysts following one of these incidents is something along the lines of "we all know black men are killed/sent to prison in rates much higher than white men". Without doing any research, this claim seems somewhat reasonable- America does have a history of racial discrimination, and black Americans have a lower standing of living compared to most other races. I am not here to argue about the rates of imprisonment for African and white Americans, but I do want to point out that these claims are often only backed up with cherry-picked statistics or propped up with nothing more than stereotypes.

Now lets look at some statistics. Based on media narratives we would expect to find that a higher percent of unarmed black men are shot compared to white men. This, however, is not the case. Of all the black victims only 2% were unarmed, compared to 4% of white men. This contradicts a lot of the information surrounding surrounding these incidents, that senseless murders happen much more frequently in run-ins between black suspects and the police. Something to note is 75% of unarmed deaths of white men, and 66% of unarmed deaths of black men, body cameras or other recording devices, which is a legitimate problem and is something that could be addressed. With both black and white victims, police officers who were responsible were only identified in 25% of cases.

Now there is one more important percentage to look at: the percentage of unarmed shooting victims that are black compared to demographics in America. If you look at the percentage of black victims (24%) compared to the percentage of African Americas in the United States (13%) it looks like they are much more highly represented. Its because they are overrepresented in this area. Why is this? Well, this is where things can get sort of sketchy. Let me be clear, the purpose of this post is not to compare the violent crime rates of different races in America. Sharing these statistics can often be viewed as racist, but I would like to point out that these statistics are not my personal opinions, they are facts. I've seen a few figures calculated about black participation in total violent crime within the US, and I went with the absolute lowest calculation I could find that was based on credible information. According to research and calculations done by Politico, roughly 35% of homicides are committed by African Americans. This is similar to other reports issued by the government about arrests. Now there is also the notion that black men are arrested at a higher rate per incident compared to whites- that could very well be true, but even if you removed 33% of these arrests to balance out for this possibility, African Americans would still overrepresent for homicides and other violent crimes by a factor of 2. Bottom line is, if African Americans are committing 35% of homicides or other violent crimes, a 24% representation in police-related deaths is not an overrepresentation.

These statistics paint a much more balanced picture than the media and political figures allege. Its important to check everyone's sources- in matters like these you can never be too careful. I would have to go back and try to find the specific videos on youtube, but MSNBC has been the worst culprit of cherry-picking statistics in my experience. In some cases statistics from certain regions or communities were shared (such as statistics about how <60% of police-related deaths were black, while the statistics were from <60% black cities in the first place (such as Detroit, Birmingham, and Flint)).

The Narrative:
Lastly, I want to address the social and political ramifications of this narrative. Talking about internalized, closeted racism in white America is not the answer to these problems. While I completely believe there are racists in every position, class, and of every color in America, talking about these beliefs as if they are commonly held is dishonest and only makes blacks and other minorities feel like victims. Referring to the police as if they are a haven for racists is not a way to fix the system. Officers who commit these acts of murder should be dealt with using the full extent of the law. Police men and women with a history of racially themed violence should be punished. I'm not saying that we should say that the police are 100% racist free, but to paint the system like an "us vs. them" for the African American community is fear-mongering and unhelpful.

My objective for writing this was to get more people to think about what they hear on the news and over the internet and to analyze everything to find the truth of the matter. The African American community faces a lot of problems, and this is one of the bigger issues. In order to properly address it and bring about change we need to stop polarizing issues, drowning out everything with sensationalism and using isolated or dishonest information.
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1. Fatal Force Report by the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

2. Disproving the 69% Violent Crime Statistic:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

Judean Zealot
July 8th, 2016, 07:21 AM
You're right - but don't expect anybody to actually listen to you. It's far easier to not have to think about the news.

Bull
July 8th, 2016, 08:20 AM
You're right - but don't expect anybody to actually listen to you. It's far easier to not have to think about the news.

Yet, when we fail to think about and analyze the news we are not preparing our minds to make rational, common sense, important decisions in many arenas which make a difference in our personal lives as well as all human kind!

DriveAlive
July 8th, 2016, 08:33 AM
Great post. There is no trust in the police anymore and that is a deadly slope into a lawless country.

Blue lives matter.

Flapjack
July 8th, 2016, 10:00 AM
Great post. There is no trust in the police anymore and that is a deadly slope into a lawless country.

Blue lives matter.
If I lived in the USA I would dive for cover whenever I see a cop. Oh wait I'm white... I should be fine. What the right wing seems to forget is that it is not only blacks that get treated unfairly by the police and that a lot of it comes back to the terrible training of the police in the USA with the racism making it worse.

DriveAlive
July 8th, 2016, 10:12 AM
If I lived in the USA I would dive for cover whenever I see a cop. Oh wait I'm white... I should be fine. What the right wing seems to forget is that it is not only blacks that get treated unfairly by the police and that a lot of it comes back to the terrible training of the police in the USA with the racism making it worse.

The police are not the bad guys. Most of them are good people who want to help protect their community. A few bad apples get all the media coverage. While there is always room to improve training, vilifying law enforcement solves nothing and only adds to the distrust of police.

Porpoise101
July 8th, 2016, 11:44 AM
I think a lot of the issue is that in these highly-visual cases (the ones the public cares about), the cop still gets off and that causes distrust and distancing between the population and law enforcement. This is a really terrible thing because it leads to more conflict and it causes problems. Furthermore, law enforcement is critical to rehabilitating poor urban centers that were already debilitated by things like white flight and southern migration. So it's very important that it functions well with the population.

Tbh I think that these cities are lucky to even have a functional Police Force, in Detroit Emergency Services are pretty spotty at best.

PlasmaHam
July 8th, 2016, 11:59 AM
Great post here, you really clarified those issues in a way people can understand. Of course, there are those who will just ignore the facts and keep claiming the police are racists.

Gabe_Is_Confused
July 8th, 2016, 06:38 PM
Nice post Austin. You really brought up some interesting and intelligent points and demographics. I feel like the mainstream news & social media outlets view the police as a bowl of fruit with 2 rotten apples in it; they automatically think that every piece of fruit in that bowl is rotten.

So, there is some racist cops that exist. That is a definite fact that will unfortunately always be true. But, when a racist cop gets "exposed" on some social media or news outlet, everyone goes insane with the idea that the federal law system is against all minorities. We all know that that is false, but it seems that every other month the internet goes insane with general police dis-trust. It probably doesn't help that those racist cops who get involved with the most social incidents most of the time don't get punished to the full extent of the law with murdering someone, as an other user on this forum pointed out.

As for the initial protest, it was a step up from the Ferguson riots since it was a peaceful protest. Was until 5 knuckleheaded black men with snipers started shooting up the place. How those men got those sniper rifles is (sigh) probably a flaw within the gun control laws. But that is a debate for an other time...

It should probably be noted that the official #BlackLivesMatter movement of course did not condone the shooting, and that those 5 idiots with snipers were on a movement of their own.

AustinKGB
July 8th, 2016, 09:29 PM
I'm really impressed with everyones posts, not just on this thread, but in the General Discussion category in general. Not because anyone agrees or disagrees with me, but because everything has been strictly factual and free of any manipulative or ugly tactics. A lot of adults don't know to have a discussion like this (and others in Ramblings) so good on all of you. Really impressed :)

Stronk Serb
July 11th, 2016, 09:32 PM
Yeah, that is the problem. The media are not doing anything to deescalate the situation. They are adding gasoline to the fire which in general is harming national unity.

Professional Russian
July 14th, 2016, 04:56 PM
Yeah, that is the problem. The media are not doing anything to deescalate the situation. They are adding gasoline to the fire which in general is harming national unity.

well yeah if you were getting paid for number of views wouldnt you be doing that same thing?

Stronk Serb
July 14th, 2016, 05:59 PM
well yeah if you were getting paid for number of views wouldnt you be doing that same thing?

Depends really. Journalism and the news programmes went to shit in the last two decades.

Judean Zealot
July 14th, 2016, 06:01 PM
Depends really. Journalism and the news programmes went to shit in the last two decades.

I think it was always awful, perhaps even worse then than now.

sqishy
July 14th, 2016, 06:03 PM
I think it was always awful, perhaps even worse then than now.

I agree with you if you are referring to the sensationalist aspect, that seems more prevalent than ever.

Professional Russian
July 14th, 2016, 06:39 PM
Depends really. Journalism and the news programmes went to shit in the last two decades.

They air what they knew will get people's attention and keep it thus getting them more views and paid more. theres sooooooooooooo many unreported things it's not even funny. when my highschool was fully evacuated because of 4 bomb threats with in a week the local news didn't even air it. instead they were showing the Libyan civil war because that's what people were talking about and what got their attention and kept it

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 12:44 PM
They air what they knew will get people's attention and keep it thus getting them more views and paid more. theres sooooooooooooo many unreported things it's not even funny. when my highschool was fully evacuated because of 4 bomb threats with in a week the local news didn't even air it. instead they were showing the Libyan civil war because that's what people were talking about and what got their attention and kept it

You are right; world news should be a thing that comes from most (if not all) regions of the world, local news should list events from all within the local region. This is completely not the case though - whatever angle is taken on the presences or absences of intentions behind it, the irregular news coverage of world events is very powerful.

Professional Russian
July 15th, 2016, 01:00 PM
You are right; world news should be a thing that comes from most (if not all) regions of the world, local news should list events from all within the local region. This is completely not the case though - whatever angle is taken on the presences or absences of intentions behind it, the irregular news coverage of world events is very powerful.

that's why the black Lives Matter movement and mass shootings are so bignoring. it's the 15 minutes of fame people love to have and with how the reporting going that's what they're doing. if for go on a mass shooting, especially racially driven, you automatically get your 15 minutes of fame and thats whats causing these horrific events

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 01:06 PM
that's why the black Lives Matter movement and mass shootings are so bignoring. it's the 15 minutes of fame people love to have and with how the reporting going that's what they're doing. if for go on a mass shooting, especially racially driven, you automatically get your 15 minutes of fame and thats whats causing these horrific events

The news is not reporting any intended fame on the part of the perpetrator, it is reporting the event that many people have died in. My opinion sharply divides here!

Professional Russian
July 15th, 2016, 01:39 PM
The news is not reporting any intended fame on the part of the perpetrator, it is reporting the event that many people have died in. My opinion sharply divides here!

i know they're not reporting it for that but that's how the people committing the crime are doing it. im not saying the media's glorifying it im saying that's how the criminals see it

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 01:55 PM
i know they're not reporting it for that but that's how the people committing the crime are doing it. im not saying the media's glorifying it im saying that's how the criminals see it

Perhaps a proportion of them see and use this, yes.

Would you be in favour of reducing the media coverage on mass shootings to make it less attractive to these criminals? That's what I am guessing is your basis atm.

Professional Russian
July 15th, 2016, 02:58 PM
Perhaps a proportion of them see and use this, yes.

Would you be in favour of reducing the media coverage on mass shootings to make it less attractive to these criminals? That's what I am guessing is your basis atm.

yes that's what imakes thinking

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 03:59 PM
yes that's what imakes thinking

Would shorter but more impacting news segments be better in your view then, like advert breaks cancelled for silent lists of who have been killed and injured and where?

Getting a picture of where you are at.

Professional Russian
July 15th, 2016, 04:32 PM
Would shorter but more impacting news segments be better in your view then, like advert breaks cancelled for silent lists of who have been killed and injured and where?

Getting a picture of where you are at.

i think it shouldn't even be reported at all

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 05:22 PM
i think it shouldn't even be reported at all

We are sharply divided with our opinions after all.

Professional Russian
July 15th, 2016, 05:45 PM
We are sharply divided with our opinions after all.

why?

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 05:56 PM
why?

Because I do not agree with mass shootings not being reported or even mentioned. This is a form of lack of proper news broadcasting taking the events of the world and its regions, here mass shootings effectively not being known by the population in access to the media's news. I thought you were against that.

Flapjack
July 16th, 2016, 10:07 AM
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jamie_n5
July 22nd, 2016, 05:14 PM
I like your well written and thought out thread that you have made and agree with you.