Snipers shoot people in Dalas...

[Flapjack]

TYRpSsPOu78
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
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Soooo how are the right wing going to defend one's need for a sniper rifle?

[Leprous]

TYRpSsPOu78
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
Soooo how are the right wing going to defend one's need for a sniper rifle?

Well uhm if people had guns they could've sniped him cuz wel 'Murica guns yay.

[Moriya]

I'm so ready to leave this country

[Leprous]

I'm so ready to leave this country

Nono the country is great trust me they have guns for everyone! Trust me guns are good you can defend yourself!


And cause mass shootings.

[Exocet]

Lmao people still thinking the populace needs to acquire assault rifles and snipers.

[Leprous]

Lmao people still thinking the populace needs to acquire assault rifles and snipers.

Self defence right? Right???

[Exocet]

Self defence right? Right???

A handgun is enough to defend your family and property.
But I don't see the point of acquiring multiple assault rifles,snipers and whatever else.

[Leprous]

A handgun is enough to defend your family and property.
But I don't see the point of acquiring multiple assault rifles,snipers and whatever else.

Well I'm still against guns being available to the general public as a whole. When you get shot in the face it doesn't really matter what gun was used, you're still dead.

[Exocet]

Well I'm still against guns being available to the general public as a whole. When you get shot in the face it doesn't really matter what gun was used, you're still dead.

Switzerland has one of the highest number of weapons per capita,yet the gun related homicides per capita is one of the lowest. Different mentalities ?

[Leprous]

Switzerland has one of the highest number of weapons per capita,yet the gun related homicides per capita is one of the lowest. Different mentalities ?

Well they do have to undergo military training and basicly these guns are from the military. It is however forbidden to keep military issued ammunition in their home so yeah that explains it.

[Just JT]

Switzerland has one of the highest number of weapons per capita,yet the gun related homicides per capita is one of the lowest. Different mentalities ?


What are the comparisons backed on percent of population compared to the USA?

[SethfromMI]

Nono the country is great trust me they have guns for everyone! Trust me guns are good you can defend yourself!


And cause mass shootings.

yea man. I mean they made drugs illegal and ever since not a single person has used drugs they weren't supposed to. you know what they should do? they should make murder illegal as well. I mean, if they made murder illegal, there would be no more murders.

[Judean Zealot]

BLM terrorism?

[Leprous]

yea man. I mean they made drugs illegal and ever since not a single person has used drugs they weren't supposed to. you know what they should do? they should make murder illegal as well. I mean, if they made murder illegal, there would be no more murders.

The fact you can only give a highly sarcastic comment not even adressing anything about the gun control itself indicates you are not willing to see the problem.

[SethfromMI]

The fact you can only give a highly sarcastic comment not even adressing anything about the gun control itself indicates you are not willing to see the problem.

I am not saying there should not be stiffer background checks and other things put into place. my problem is, people think if we banned guns from the average citizen, problems would magically go away. the city of Chicago actually has some pretty extreme gun bans going on. guess what? still a lot of gun violence. if people want a gun, they are going to get one. criminals don't obey the laws do they? it makes them criminals. by banning guns, the only thing you are assuring is the only people who will have guns are the military/police and the criminals you wanted to take the guns away from in the first place. if people want something, people will get it?

is cocaine not illegal? does banning cocaine stop people from getting it? no? why not?

the real issue is the fact people who hate other people will find a way to kill others. when gun bans were imposed in/on Australia, guess what type of crime went up? stabbings? should we take away all knives from people so this cannot be a possible issue either?

the average American does not have a sniper rifle in their possession. determining no one should have guns because one used his (which he most likely got illegally in the first place) and used the gun which he most likely got illegally (since I am not sure if the average American is even allowed to buy such a rifle) to say no one should have any guns.

criminals, terrorist , etc. will always be able to get their hands on guns. the black market can provide you with anything you could possibly want.

saying if we ban guns all of the problems will go away, is not taking a serious look at the problem either. was I somewhat sarcastic? yes, but do people still get their hands on cocaine even though it is illegal? do people still murder even though it is illegal? so why do you think terrorists and criminals are going to suddenly say, "gosh, we can't use guns anymore?'

all I am saying is there is more to it then just taking guns away form everyone

[Leprous]

I am not saying there should not be stiffer background checks and other things put into place. my problem is, people think if we banned guns from the average citizen, problems would magically go away. the city of Chicago actually has some pretty extreme gun bans going on. guess what? still a lot of gun violence. if people want a gun, they are going to get one. criminals don't obey the laws do they? it makes them criminals. by banning guns, the only thing you are assuring is the only people who will have guns are the military/police and the criminals you wanted to take the guns away from in the first place. if people want something, people will get it?

is cocaine not illegal? does banning cocaine stop people from getting it? no? why not?

the real issue is the fact people who hate other people will find a way to kill others. when gun bans were imposed in/on Australia, guess what type of crime went up? stabbings? should we take away all knives from people so this cannot be a possible issue either?

the average American does not have a sniper rifle in their possession. determining no one should have guns because one used his (which he most likely got illegally in the first place) and used the gun which he most likely got illegally (since I am not sure if the average American is even allowed to buy such a rifle) to say no one should have any guns.

criminals, terrorist , etc. will always be able to get their hands on guns. the black market can provide you with anything you could possibly want.

saying if we ban guns all of the problems will go away, is not taking a serious look at the problem either. was I somewhat sarcastic? yes, but do people still get their hands on cocaine even though it is illegal? do people still murder even though it is illegal? so why do you think terrorists and criminals are going to suddenly say, "gosh, we can't use guns anymore?'

all I am saying is there is more to it then just taking guns away form everyone

Fist of all, there is NO reason for an American citizen to have a gun in their home. Here we don't have them either and guess what? We don't them because there isn't the constant danger of getting shot by other people.

I never said banning them would bring the gun crime to 0, but it would prevent a part of it, the small time wanna be gangsters will think twice before getting one.

If you walk around the street with a bag of cocaine you can't exactly kill someone with it. Also you can't compare guns to drugs because well, you can't exactly get addicted to a gun.

If you take away the guns, that means not all criminals will get them like I just said. Make knives illegal? Yes depending on what kind of knife and who buys them. Not your average kitchen knife but those mean killing knives should be banned completely.

"One used his" Well actually allot of people use their guns infact, there is an insane amount of gun crime so I am not making this statement based on 1 shooting.

Also, give me a reason why you should have a gun. A well supported reason that makes sense, can you do that?

As I said before I never said all the problems will go away so don't claim I did in the first place.

[SethfromMI]

Fist of all, there is NO reason for an American citizen to have a gun in their home. Here we don't have them either and guess what? We don't them because there isn't the constant danger of getting shot by other people.

I never said banning them would bring the gun crime to 0, but it would prevent a part of it, the small time wanna be gangsters will think twice before getting one.

If you walk around the street with a bag of cocaine you can't exactly kill someone with it. Also you can't compare guns to drugs because well, you can't exactly get addicted to a gun.

If you take away the guns, that means not all criminals will get them like I just said. Make knives illegal? Yes depending on what kind of knife and who buys them. Not your average kitchen knife but those mean killing knives should be banned completely.

"One used his" Well actually allot of people use their guns infact, there is an insane amount of gun crime so I am not making this statement based on 1 shooting.

Also, give me a reason why you should have a gun. A well supported reason that makes sense, can you do that?

As I said before I never said all the problems will go away so don't claim I did in the first place.

you are basically implying if we got all of our guns taken away, there would be zero gun crime which is a bullshit theory on your part

but the 2nd amendment was put in place to protect the American citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic. if a foreign army is invading, you had the right to protect yourself. if someone came on your property trying to kill you or your family, you had the right to protect yourself. if the government became corrupt with power, you, the citizens, could at least try to do something about it.

Nazi Germany can show what happens when the government tries to take guns away form the people and the people blindly obey. now there was a lot going on with Nazi Germany, but if you don't think something like that could happen again, your foolish.

edit: and by the way, for all of the crimes which do happen, millions and millions, and millions more do not use their guns to commit crimes.

[Just JT]

Fist of all, there is NO reason for an American citizen to have a gun in their home. Here we don't have them either and guess what? We don't them because there isn't the constant danger of getting shot by other people.

I never said banning them would bring the gun crime to 0, but it would prevent a part of it, the small time wanna be gangsters will think twice before getting one.

If you walk around the street with a bag of cocaine you can't exactly kill someone with it. Also you can't compare guns to drugs because well, you can't exactly get addicted to a gun.

If you take away the guns, that means not all criminals will get them like I just said. Make knives illegal? Yes depending on what kind of knife and who buys them. Not your average kitchen knife but those mean killing knives should be banned completely.

"One used his" Well actually allot of people use their guns infact, there is an insane amount of gun crime so I am not making this statement based on 1 shooting.

Also, give me a reason why you should have a gun. A well supported reason that makes sense, can you do that?

As I said before I never said all the problems will go away so don't claim I did in the first place.

There are many valid legal reason to possess legally a firearm in your own home. That does not mean everyone should have a sniper rifle, that's different.
Simply making something illegal, or banning them will only increase the demand for that item. People, criminal ale or not, will get what ever they want, legally or not, it's human nature. We can not blame this whole mess on it simply being an "American" issue. That's simply categorically unfair, and tbh, I find it rather prejudicial.

Changing the current gun laws? Yeah, it need to be better, we all know that, it's not rocket science. But keep in mind, it's rather difficult to change laws when you have such a large population all coming from varying backgrounds, with different points of view.

Yes, it's a tragedy, horrific, every one of them. And it's in essence no different than any other terrorist act that takes place anywhere else in the world.

Pick any item used to kill people, look at those numbers, and compare them to killings with. A gun. Use cars for example, a hammer, drugs, and what are we doing about that?
Legalizing some of them.....

This is still pretty fresh in many people's lives, we might wana be aware of that as I'm sure there are members who either live in these areas, or have been affected by recent shooting.....just saying.....

[Leprous]

you are basically implying if we got all of our guns taken away, there would be zero gun crime which is a bullshit theory on your part

but the 2nd amendment was put in place to protect the American citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic. if a foreign army is invading, you had the right to protect yourself. if someone came on your property trying to kill you or your family, you had the right to protect yourself. if the government became corrupt with power, you, the citizens, could at least try to do something about it.

Nazi Germany can show what happens when the government tries to take guns away form the people and the people blindly obey. now there was a lot going on with Nazi Germany, but if you don't think something like that could happen again, your foolish.

edit: and by the way, for all of the crimes which do happen, millions and millions, and millions more do not use their guns to commit crimes.

Now you're claiming it again and I never said that. I know that won't happen, stop making the same thing up twice a row. I said that you can REDUCE gun crime, not bring it to zero.

So you're saying the Nazi's only were bad because they took guns away from people? Nazi Germany shows what happens when a crazed fool wants to take over Europe.

If a foreign army is invading it shouldn't be you who is forced to defend himself. The army should, not the citizens. Also what you are saying is all /had/was/ does that mean these things are no longer relevant?

[SethfromMI]

Now you're claiming it again and I never said that. I know that won't happen, stop making the same thing up twice a row. I said that you can REDUCE gun crime, not bring it to zero.

So you're saying the Nazi's only were bad because they took guns away from people? Nazi Germany shows what happens when a crazed fool wants to take over Europe.

If a foreign army is invading it shouldn't be you who is forced to defend himself. The army should, not the citizens. Also what you are saying is all /had/was/ does that mean these things are no longer relevant?

I guess you may not understand what implying is. implying means you can say something without having to say it.

now to be fair to your point, the Nazis were just fucked up people, but it does show what can happen when the people have no way to defend themselves

and ideally while the army should be able to protect you, should the American people not have the right to defend themselves in such a situation? you did not even touch on the other points I made. the point if someone is trying to kill your family what are you going to do? wag your finger. say I will call the police. hopefully they (and you) are alive before someone gets there. what if the US continues to go down the corrupt road they are going down? the people should just stand by in silence?

[Bull]

First, I want to decry what happened in Dallas, Orlando, and every other scene of senseless killing.
Second I want to express my sympathy and prayers for the victims and families of the Dallas shootings.
Third: Thank you NRA for your consistent lobbying for lax gun regulation that makes possible this incident. Also for your misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. For full disclosure, I am a hunter, and own traditional hunting rifles. I neither need nor want to own an assault type weapon.
Fourth: Hello congress; stop being dictated to by the NRA, show some backbone and do your job to protect the people of America from idiots with guns.

And to all law enforcement men and women: Thank you for your service and putting your lives on the line to protect citizens.


And to all law enforcement administration: Take a hard look at your officers because as we see all too often now there are those who should not be in law enforcement.

[DriveAlive]

I assume that a lot of you are okay with people owning guns for or hunting.

May I ask, what qualifies as a "sniper" rifle and should be illegal.

[Hollywood]

Absolutely fucking disgusting, this hostility towards police has officially gone too far. I hope everyone who made this happen rots.

May those who lost their lives rest in peace.

[Leprous]

I guess you may not understand what implying is. implying means you can say something without having to say it.

now to be fair to your point, the Nazis were just fucked up people, but it does show what can happen when the people have no way to defend themselves

and ideally while the army should be able to protect you, should the American people not have the right to defend themselves in such a situation? you did not even touch on the other points I made. the point if someone is trying to kill your family what are you going to do? wag your finger. say I will call the police. hopefully they (and you) are alive before someone gets there. what if the US continues to go down the corrupt road they are going down? the people should just stand by in silence?

Just so you know, if the Germans had guns they wouldn't have stopped the Nazi's since they didn't fight their way to power in Germany. They already had the political might before the war. Do you know how they got to power in Germany in the first place?

Jewish citizens wouldn't have been able to stop a German (trained and well armed) army from opressing them. That's not how WW2 went, just so you know.

If not every psycho had access to guns, I wouldn't have to defend my family from the guy in the first place. How is that hard to understand?

Also PLEASE for the love of my OCD start your sentences with capital letters if you want people to take you serious in a debate.

Just JT Well it IS an American issue just so you know. I don't know a single European country with this problem and well uhm, psssst *whispers* "we have gun control"

BAM PLOT TWIST

[dxcxdzv]

Nazi Germany can show what happens when the government tries to take guns away form the people and the people blindly obey. now there was a lot going on with Nazi Germany, but if you don't think something like that could happen again, your foolish.

You're right.
I bet if the French populations had guns they would have driven back the Germans on their own.

Godwin mon ami...

[thatcountrykid]

How about we don't turn this into a gun control talk and look at it for what it really is. A terrorist attack from everybody's favorite "activist" group, Black lives matter. The shooter admitted they went there to shoot white people, specifically white cops. F anyone doesn't see it as that, they are the problem.

And if anyone says cops are still the problem, go find the videos of cops being human shields for those that were protesting against them just seconds before

[Microcosm]

It always becomes about the Nazis.

People who say black people can't be racist are racist. Don't listen to them. Trust me, there are BLM protesters who are secretly happy about this. The movement has basically just been cop shaming and generalizations. The media is more-so to blame for their constant race baiting stories. All of these shootings are sick. We need to have some damn back bone in this country and stop allowing our government to do nothing. Assault type weapons and sniper rifles are unnecessary and dangerous to have in the general population and getting guns is far too easy.

I agree with DriveAlive though that guns were not the main problem. Our culture isn't in a good position.

[Flapjack]

People who say black people can't be racist are racist.
Who is saying that though?xD

[Leprous]

How about we don't turn this into a gun control talk and look at it for what it really is. A terrorist attack from everybody's favorite "activist" group, Black lives matter. The shooter admitted they went there to shoot white people, specifically white cops. F anyone doesn't see it as that, they are the problem.

And if anyone says cops are still the problem, go find the videos of cops being human shields for those that were protesting against them just seconds before

Alright gun control going to become racism debate. I'm in.

I know what the shooter said, and it honestly disgusts me. And well, time for some controversial thoughts which may get me allot of shit but here we go.

Black culture in the US is a victim culture. I am NOT saying I dislike black people nor am I saying all of them do this, but it's true.

They keep saying America is built on racism and that they are always the victims.

Firstly, if the US was that racist black people wouldn't have the right to have important jobs. There would be no black president. Now, the reason cops feel threathened in black neighbourhoods is simple (and I'm not saying they should shoot people I'm against that) but know that the crime rate is high in black neighbourhoods and well, it's dangerous. There is violence against cops in these neighbourhoods.

I don't think the BLM should keep acting like they are being shot on purposr though. There is ALWAYS a story behind these things.

[Porpoise101]

BLM terrorism?
I thought so initially as well. But it seems that he was actually a black nationalist who was fed up with BLM and Police. The protesters actually helped in some cases as well (big shocker)!

I thought that black nationalism/militancy died out a while back, but I guess in the internet age 'defeated' ideologies still persist.

[PlasmaHam]

Sad events last night, but sadder is that the news is going to twist this into becoming a gun control debate rather than what it really is. Any gun can be used as a sniper with enough skill, certain guns are simply easier. From what I know, the shootings were fairly localized so a high power sniper rifle was not needed. The Second Amendment as described by the Founding Fathers is actually very broad.

People need to realize the Black Lives Matter protests are not making things any better. The statistics they used to support their position are wrong or worded to make things appear such. Ratio wise, only a few more blacks are shot by police than whites. The news ignores the dead white guy and instead focuses on the black guy. And studies have shown that blacks do commit more crimes.

We do not have a gun problem, we have a people problem.

[Judean Zealot]

I thought so initially as well. But it seems that he was actually a black nationalist who was fed up with BLM and Police. The protesters actually helped in some cases as well (big shocker)!

I thought that black nationalism/militancy died out a while back, but I guess in the internet age 'defeated' ideologies still persist.

Well let's hope it doesn't make a resurgence - race war is the last thing USA needs

[Flapjack]

We do not have a gun problem, we have a people problem.
What is your solution? Continue giving them guns? Teach children how to hide from mass shooters?

[Leprous]

We do not have a gun problem, we have a people problem.

The problem is the people getting access to these guns. Guns are a problem and ignoring that is actually not very smart.

[Exocet]

How about we don't turn this into a gun control talk and look at it for what it really is. A terrorist attack from everybody's favorite "activist" group, Black lives matter. The shooter admitted they went there to shoot white people, specifically white cops. F anyone doesn't see it as that, they are the problem.

And if anyone says cops are still the problem, go find the videos of cops being human shields for those that were protesting against them just seconds before

Your cops are sometimes the problem. You just have to look at Alton Sterling's plain and simple execution. You have to look at Walter Scott's murder. (And these are among many...)
lmao are your cops unable to run five meters ? What do they teach at police schools ? Just to shoot people to 'solve' every situations ?

[Porpoise101]

lmao are your cops unable to run five meters ? What do they teach at police schools ? Just to shoot people to 'solve' every situations ?
This is actually on the dot. In some police academies, they spend a disproportionate amount of time on self defense instead of dealing with conflict management. In some places, they have started to change it, Dallas is one city that did this and the amount of police shootings (of any type) decreased.

[Microcosm]

Who is saying that though?xD

I've heard some extremist BLM-type activists say it before. Some people will try to say that.

It seems that some people like to think that because black people are considered a sort of "minority majority," meaning they're a large fraction of the population but are treated like a minority group in that they are oppressed, which leads them to believe further that it's unthinkable that they could ever oppress anyone else on the foundation of race.

Also, even if they don't say that they can't be racist, oftentimes they will subconsciously think it, or so it would seem. For instance, when a black person calls a white person a "cracker," no big deal is made out of it.

That's my point.

[thatcountrykid]

Your cops are sometimes the problem. You just have to look at Alton Sterling's plain and simple execution. You have to look at Walter Scott's murder. (And these are among many...)
lmao are your cops unable to run five meters ? What do they teach at police schools ? Just to shoot people to 'solve' every situations ?

So 5 cops that were not involved in those situations whatsoever deserve to be murdered? And forgive me if o don't remember which shooting involves sterling. I don't mourn the loss of lowlife thugs who try to pull guns on cops and threaten innocent civilians with guns.

[Exocet]

So 5 cops that were not involved in those situations whatsoever deserve to be murdered? And forgive me if o don't remember which shooting involves sterling. I don't mourn the loss of lowlife thugs who try to pull guns on cops and threaten innocent civilians with guns.

Nope they didn't deserve to be murdered. Of course not. Like those murdered by the police didn't deserve to die. That goes both ways.

[thatcountrykid]

Nope they didn't deserve to be murdered. Of course not. Like those murdered by the police didn't deserve to die. That goes both ways.

I think you have a twisted view of what murder is. If a man draws a gun on even a civilian, they'd be allowed to shoot. Why else would he be fighting so hard? And I love how cases like thes only become controversies because it's black men being killed. I could link dozens of cases where it was white men killed and nobody even looked at it twice.

[Exocet]

I think you have a twisted view of what murder is. If a man draws a gun on even a civilian, they'd be allowed to shoot. Why else would he be fighting so hard? And I love how cases like thes only become controversies because it's black men being killed. I could link dozens of cases where it was white men killed and nobody even looked at it twice.

Yes,not only the blacks,but whites,latinos and whatsoever else are also the victims of the us police epidemic shootings and brutality.
You must take some lessons from european police forces where we can des-escalate situations without any shots fired.

[Professional Russian]

oh but what about the black kid who shot all the cops? that's not abotmutual guns now huh? it's all about race? no fuck that you wanna bitch about the white guy shooting people bitch about the black guy doing it to. I'm tired of all this race and guns bullshit. Jesus fuck if it was up to me id just shoot everyone at this point.

What is your solution? Continue giving them guns? Teach children how to hide from mass shooters?

well theres an easy answer. FUCKING SHOOT THEM.

[Judean Zealot]

This debate grows ever more absurd as time goes on. America has demonstrated time and time again that it is simply incapable of responsibly bearing arms. At the time that the Second Amendment was ratified it was unthinkable that a man would go into a school and butcher 30 kids. What was reasonable then is not reasonable now, and although unfortunately it is rather impossible to repeal it, it must definitely be limited to the best of the government's ability. How are people so blind?

[Exocet]

This debate grows ever more absurd as time goes on. America has demonstrated time and time again that it is simply incapable of responsibly bearing arms. At the time that the Second Amendment was ratified it was unthinkable that a man would go into a school and butcher 30 kids. What was reasonable then is not reasonable now, and although unfortunately it is rather impossible to repeal it, it must definitely be limited to the best of the government's ability. How are people so blind?

Nothing is going to change even if someone goes to a maternity and kills 200. Too much lobbies,to much interests,too much money on the table.

[Flapjack]

They used an SKS Semi-Automatic Rifle. Sooo who wants to defend these being legal?

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[Professional Russian]

They used an SKS Semi-Automatic Rifle. Sooo who wants to defend these being legal?

7xo2DKl7oFc

lolz sks's and ak47s are the same thing....well technically not but basic design is the same and im not feeling like going into this because I could go on for hours. main point it's no different than an AR or an AK in terms of "assault weapons" but no one ever crys ban the SKS. also most versions of the SKS were not banned under the Clinton "Assault weapons ban"

[thatcountrykid]

Yes,not only the blacks,but whites,latinos and whatsoever else are also the victims of the us police epidemic shootings and brutality.
You must take some lessons from european police forces where we can des-escalate situations without any shots fired.

Just because it works I. Europe does not mean it will work else where. The US is a nation filled with "fight the power" attitude. That's how we came to be. People will always try to fight the authorities. It's not all la-de-da get the cat out of the tree, you're a hero. Here, everytime a cop encounters someone here, they have to believe they will try to kill them.

[thatcountrykid]

lolz sks's and ak47s are the same thing....well technically not but basic design is the same and im not feeling like going into this because I could go on for hours. main point it's no different than an AR or an AK in terms of "assault weapons" but no one ever crys ban the SKS. also most versions of the SKS were not banned under the Clinton "Assault weapons ban"

Because te SKS, by definition is not a super scary self thinking "assault rifle"

It's simply a semi auto rifle that is top fed, holds no more than 10 rounds, with a fixed, box magazine.

[Leprous]

Because te SKS, by definition is not a super scary self thinking "assault rifle"

It's simply a semi auto rifle that is top fed, holds no more than 10 rounds, with a fixed, box magazine.

As far as I'm aware 10 bullets is more than enough to kill a bunch of people. I don't think this is an excuse. A simple pistol is enough to do a mass shooting, all guns are the same if you get shot in the face by them.

[Professional Russian]

Because te SKS, by definition is not a super scary self thinking "assault rifle"

It's simply a semi auto rifle that is top fed, holds no more than 10 rounds, with a fixed, box magazine.
that's basically where I was getting at. I really didn't feel explaining an SKS because I would have gone into alot more detail on. while I did call them assault weapons it was relating to the likeness of the ak47, which some SKSs have a detachable 30 round magazine, they're fucking bass by the way, and that still not really an assault weapons in most people's eyes...people are perceiving how bad a gun in by how it looks. my 44 or 7mm has alot more stopping power than an AR15 people ak47 but people aren't really after them because they're not scary
As far as I'm aware 10 bullets is more than enough to kill a bunch of people. I don't think this is an excuse. A simple pistol is enough to do a mass shooting, all guns are the same if you get shot in the face by them.

yes because im sure I'll go shoot up a school with my 7mm which holds 3 rounds...not all guns are created equal.

[DriveAlive]

that's basically where I was getting at. I really didn't feel explaining an SKS because I would have gone into alot more detail on


yes because im sure I'll go shoot up a school with my 7mm which holds 3 rounds...not all guns are created equal.

But a 7mm would be far better as a "sniper rifle" than an AR15, so it should be banned as well.

[Leprous]

that's basically where I was getting at. I really didn't feel explaining an SKS because I would have gone into alot more detail on. while I did call them assault weapons it was relating to the likeness of the ak47, which some SKSs have a detachable 30 round magazine, they're fucking bass by the way, and that still not really an assault weapons in most people's eyes...people are perceiving how bad a gun in by how it looks. my 44 or 7mm has alot more stopping power than an AR15 people ak47 but people aren't really after them because they're not scary


yes because im sure I'll go shoot up a school with my 7mm which holds 3 rounds...not all guns are created equal.

3 bullets in the head still are 3 bullets in the head though .

[Professional Russian]

But a 7mm would be far better as a "sniper rifle" than an AR15, so it should be banned as well.
i can kill at 500 yards with a 22 should they be banned to? weren't you the one just advocating for hunting rifles?
3 bullets in the head still are 3 bullets in the head though .

lolz if you get 3 7mms in someone's head it's one piece ill be amazed. the point is its alot slower since it's a long action bolt gun...

[DriveAlive]

i can kill at 500 yards with a 22 should they be banned to? weren't you the one just advocating for hunting rifles?


lolz if you get 3 7mms in someone's head it's one piece ill be amazed. the point is its alot slower since it's a long action bolt gun...

I was being sarcastic...

[Professional Russian]

I was being sarcastic...

well.fuck sorry. I get real serious at this topic

[thatcountrykid]

As far as I'm aware 10 bullets is more than enough to kill a bunch of people. I don't think this is an excuse. A simple pistol is enough to do a mass shooting, all guns are the same if you get shot in the face by them.

Yes but if you follow most of the gun control debate in the US, they're trying to limit weapons which can hold more than ten rounds which is pointless. Don't worry buddy. The bad scary guns won't hurt you in perfectly safe, gun controlling France. oh wait I'm sorry. Nearly safe. I forgot about the few hundred people killed there with illegal guns there recently. Wanna know what these two attacks have in common. At both, terrorists pulled the trigger. Criminals. Bad men. Not any innocent man. If guns are so awful, why hasn't the loaded 9mm in my center console jumped into my hand and forced me to kill someone.

[Leprous]

Yes but if you follow most of the gun control debate in the US, they're trying to limit weapons which can hold more than ten rounds which is pointless. Don't worry buddy. The bad scary guns won't hurt you in perfectly safe, gun controlling France. oh wait I'm sorry. Nearly safe. I forgot about the few hundred people killed there with illegal guns there recently. Wanna know what these two attacks have in common. At both, terrorists pulled the trigger. Criminals. Bad men. Not any innocent man. If guns are so awful, why hasn't the loaded 9mm in my center console jumped into my hand and forced me to kill someone.

Fun fact, I don't live in France. The thing is, this was 1 terrorist attack. Not something common in these countries. In the US however, how often do you guys have mass shootings? How often do these happen and how long will it take for you guys to admit you have a problem?

Maybe because you're not a lunatic? (well you're probably a Trump supporter and you are pro guns so honestly....) Stop handing out guns to every single lunatic on the streets and you know, you might actually start to change your country to become something more....you know....less criminal.

[thatcountrykid]

Fun fact, I don't live in France. The thing is, this was 1 terrorist attack. Not something common in these countries. In the US however, how often do you guys have mass shootings? How often do these happen and how long will it take for you guys to admit you have a problem?

Maybe because you're not a lunatic? (well you're probably a Trump supporter and you are pro guns so honestly....) Stop handing out guns to every single lunatic on the streets and you know, you might actually start to change your country to become something more....you know....less criminal.

Ah that's my bad. I mistook you for another user. Let me ask this. Do you live in the US? And while I will vote for trump it's not because I like his viewpoints. I'd just rather him than Hillary. Shinier turd if that makes sense.

And I dont think you know exactly how the gun purchasing system works.

Also considering we are one of the largest populations in the world, it makes sense that shootings happen more often here than other places. It's just ratios m8

[Leprous]

Ah that's my bad. I mistook you for another user. Let me ask this. Do you live in the US? And while I will vote for trump it's not because I like his viewpoints. I'd just rather him than Hillary. Shinier turd if that makes sense.

And I dont think you know exactly how the gun purchasing system works.

Also considering we are one of the largest populations in the world, it makes sense that shootings happen more often here than other places. It's just ratios m8

Actually I do not live in the US I live in Belgium. That 'shithole'. Still surprised how people can vote for a man who calls Brussels a shithole but also calls Belgium a beautiful city.

Well you know your population shouldn't be an excuse for all the gun crimes. That's just moving the problem because you're not willing to admit it is there.

[Stronk Serb]

Well, the shootings can't really be tagged to a particular cause. It's been given different names as for religion, revenge, protest or just for being heard and making the newspapers.
It's all the problem with an unstable mind and the culture that embraces "Fight the Power" and everyone just assumes that they are the victim and are always right.

It's nothing to do with being black, white, asian, immigrant, or muslim. People with unstable mind get easily brainwashed and there are many ways to smuggle guns.
They don't see if it's the mall, park, a subway or even school. They just open fire and people die. Mass shooting incidents have been a fad in US.

http://bit.ly/29GNKRV
I had to present a research paper on Mass shootings in schools and this helped me to understand it.

Yeah, guns aren't the problem, those who have them are. In Switzerland you can get any weapon from a modified flare gun to an assault rifle if you undergo military training. That teaches trigger discipline and they evaluate how volatile you are during your service.

[thatcountrykid]

Actually I do not live in the US I live in Belgium. That 'shithole'. Still surprised how people can vote for a man who calls Brussels a shithole but also calls Belgium a beautiful city.

Well you know your population shouldn't be an excuse for all the gun crimes. That's just moving the problem because you're not willing to admit it is there.

It's not an excuse it's logical man. More people equals more crime writhing the nation. If there's 100 murders a day in the us it makes sense that a nation less than half our size would have less. Same with guns. And in not saying there's a problem because I don't see one with guns. I see issues with spineless "love will win" ideology

[Leprous]

It's not an excuse it's logical man. More people equals more crime writhing the nation. If there's 100 murders a day in the us it makes sense that a nation less than half our size would have less. Same with guns. And in not saying there's a problem because I don't see one with guns. I see issues with spineless "love will win" ideology

I'm actually not a 'love will win' person but okay. The thing is, the guns are a problem, that's just my, and many other people's opinion.

Now, gonna have to leave this debate since I'm going on a month holiday so yeah.

[thatcountrykid]

I'm actually not a 'love will win' person but okay. The thing is, the guns are a problem, that's just my, and many other people's opinion.

Now, gonna have to leave this debate since I'm going on a month holiday so yeah.

Never said you were

[PlasmaHam]

This is a thread reporting a horrific incident and shouldn't be tainted any further with arguing.