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Rendez-Vous
July 7th, 2016, 06:09 AM
So, as you guys may know - I live in Russia, so the topic name is related to my country only.
Well, just a few minutes ago Vladimir Putin signed the "anti-terroristic" packet of laws. I haven't found any news about it in English, so I'll try to explain myself.
First of all, mobile network providers and internet providers are forced to keep all user's data But the most resonant amendments directly related to Russian Internet companies. The text of the bill they are called "the organizers of the dissemination of information on the network," so that by the "Spring Package" potentially get news portals, email services, social networks, instant messenger, forums and even online stores. All of them will be obliged to retain any information about the transmission and processing of text messages, images, audio files and video users. Special services will be able to gain access to this data, if it is required to investigate or state security.,
Then, there is a fine(and imprisoning?) for misprision. I doubt about whether this translation is correct, so I'll explain: if you know someone is about to make a terroristic act, and you haven't told about it to the police, you'll be prisoned(or fined). Except if you're relative to terrorist. I can't understand how they'll find it out, who knew and who didn't. meh.
Then, there is imprisoning for promoting extremism. Knowing our country, they can judge anyone who just disagree with politics of Russia.
Thirdly, all parcels will be opened and checked, to make sure there is nothing "bad" inside, drugs etc. Then, I'd like to quote wikipedia.
Decrees of the State Duma are adopted by a majority of the total number of deputies of the State Duma, unless another procedure is envisaged by the Constitution. All bills are first approved by the State Duma and are further debated and approved (or rejected) by the Federation Council.
Relatively few roll call votes have been published that identify individual deputies' votes.[3] The votes of individuals are recorded only if the voting is open and the electronic method is used.[3] While not all votes are officially roll call votes, every time a deputy electronically votes a computer registers the individual deputy's vote.[4]
tl;dr providers have to collect all user's data and keep it somewhere. creating such servers will cost ~20.000.000.000$ - and this is for country, whose currency to $ have fallen twice since 2013. also government can send you in prison even for comment that goes across with politics of Russia in VK/Facebook/anywhere else.
more shorter - we're in shit. someone, please buy me one-way ticket from here.
ps sorry for bad english, I can't explain all my thoughts about it very well.

Porpoise101
July 7th, 2016, 08:51 AM
Do you think this will influence your election this fall?

AustinKGB
July 8th, 2016, 04:28 AM
When did totalitarianism ever die in Russia? Even after its 'democratic' revival, Russia has still remained an autocratic, oligarchical regime- just without the central planned economy.

Bull
July 8th, 2016, 07:55 AM
I understand your pain. We in the USA are plagued by nosy gov agencies thinking they need to know what every American is doing. Their radical thinking has led to a means of circumventing our Constitution by setting up "Secret Courts" where "Judges" under agency control issue secret warrants. And now, to top it all, we have a crooked billionaire who has amassed his fortune by fraud and cheating, who is accustomed to dictating to his subordinates, who has publically stated he knows more about ISIS than the Generals, who admires the leaders of Russia and North Korea, seeking to become the president of the United States of America. God forbid!

DVDan19
July 10th, 2016, 06:56 PM
I feel so sad these kind of things still exist in Europe in 2016 :(
We don't talk enough about Belarus where it is clearly a dictatorship... :( :(

sqishy
July 15th, 2016, 12:49 PM
I'd be much in favour of having a map with measures just how 'democratic' each country that says it is, really is.

The US is one of the worst countries in my opinion when it comes to net neutrality, aside from the topic of surveillance and restriction. In at least some ways, I see the US and Russia to not be so different.

Funny how my dad who builds and maintains websites, has had the US coming up on similar levels as China and Russia as the most common national sources of attacks and viruses, that attempted to gain entry to a few websites he was watching over.

lemondrop
August 9th, 2016, 03:56 PM
I'm not suprised , Russia is a very corrupt country and you can see that crystal clear. Those servers....blahhh.. just to laundry some money and put them in your own pocket ;) in corrupt country's you can get accused of crime that u didn't do so this will expand the power of elite - before election

Stronk Serb
August 10th, 2016, 04:38 PM
I'd be much in favour of having a map with measures just how 'democratic' each country that says it is, really is.

The US is one of the worst countries in my opinion when it comes to net neutrality, aside from the topic of surveillance and restriction. In at least some ways, I see the US and Russia to not be so different.

Funny how my dad who builds and maintains websites, has had the US coming up on similar levels as China and Russia as the most common national sources of attacks and viruses, that attempted to gain entry to a few websites he was watching over.

I bet that on this 'democraticometer' North Korea, aka Best Korea would be ranked first.

sqishy
August 10th, 2016, 04:47 PM
I bet that on this 'democraticometer' North Korea, aka Best Korea would be ranked first.

What do you mean?
Ideally this scale would not be fueled by sarcasm.

Stronk Serb
August 10th, 2016, 05:44 PM
What do you mean?
Ideally this scale would not be fueled by sarcasm.

Well, that sort of measure should be implemented. With North Korea not on the top.

sqishy
August 10th, 2016, 06:05 PM
Well, that sort of measure should be implemented. With North Korea not on the top.

Indeed.