Should a person who is suffering from a terminal illness be able to end their life

[FlyOnTheWall]

Lets just start a bit of a controversial topic on this fine morning?

Should a person who is suffering from a terminal illness be able to end their life?


In my opinion I think they should be allowed after seeing this article vvvvv

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191944/Locked-syndrome-victim-Tony-Nicklinson-dies-aged-58-refusing-food-contracting-pneumonia.html

what do you think?

[Just JT]

I look at the link. But I've seen enough death to answer your question. At least for me anyways. And other people will have a difference of opinion, and that's cool. I respect that.

Way I see it is we can put our dog down when they're terminal, or injured so bad, it's to difficult or impossible to save them. And we only hope they know what we're doing and are ok with it. All in the thinking we're putting them out of their misery, ending the suffering, or avoiding it.

Think we could have the same right under the same situation

[FlyOnTheWall]

I look at the link. But I've seen enough death to answer your question. At least for me anyways. And other people will have a difference of opinion, and that's cool. I respect that.

Way I see it is we can put our dog down when they're terminal, or injured so bad, it's to difficult or impossible to save them. And we only hope they know what we're doing and are ok with it. All in the thinking we're putting them out of their misery, ending the suffering, or avoiding it.

Think we could have the same right under the same situation

well said

[Flapjack]

Yeah I think we should all be free to do what we want with our lives, and that includes ending them. If somebody cannot end their own life because they are sick then they should get help in doing so. It is their life not ours.

[Leprous]

Yeah I think we should all be free to do what we want with our lives, and that includes ending them. If somebody cannot end their own life because they are sick then they should get help in doing so. It is their life not ours.

I hope by help you mean an actual doctor and not just asking someone to kill you.

[Flapjack]

I hope by help you mean an actual doctor and not just asking someone to kill you.
Yeah of coursexD

[Leprous]

Yeah of coursexD

Well not many countries approve of euthanasia as it is still seen as a sensitive topic. I think it should be possible though. It's painless and quick.

Last year we had an old couple here who did it together.

[FlyOnTheWall]

Well not many countries approve of euthanasia as it is still seen as a sensitive topic. I think it should be possible though. It's painless and quick.

Last year we had an old couple here who did it together.

thats sweet in a really disturbing way

[Meron]

If it's almost impossible to save the said person then I think it's best to put them out of their misery instead of letting them suffer. Not by killing them of course, but by stopping treatment and letting life take it's course.

[everlong]

Definitely. It's their life.

[sqishy]

This is the same topic as a thread some while back, so here's my response from then, being relevant here:

People should have a right to end their own life if they are suffering chronic or terminal physical illness and have an personally evaluated insufficient quality of life to continue experiencing it.

If the person is mentally ill, then it should be evaluated if their mental illness is sufficiently responsible for the want to end their own life, and then relevant treatment be undertaken to attempt to alleviate this illness. If the illness is not to the level of being wholly responsible but rather is a possible influencing factor, then it should be determined if this is sufficient enough to count as the immediate above, or be counted as the insufficient quality of life I said at the top.

[Stronk Serb]

No, they should be helped by helping them find theur own meaning of their life instead of throwing it away like a used condom.

[Just JT]

No, they should be helped by helping them find theur own meaning of their life instead of throwing it away like a used condom.

Is this in response for in general, or in response to the poster before you?

[Drewboyy]

No, they should be helped by helping them find theur own meaning of their life instead of throwing it away like a used condom.

Wow...Someone who disagrees, who would've thought that would happen on the internet??

But people should only be allowed to kill themselves in a controlled setting in order to prevent the pain if they don't want to/can't pay for the medications or treatments. Not when they are depressed or something like that

[Stronk Serb]

Is this in response for in general, or in response to the poster before you?

This was a response to the OP.

Wow...Someone who disagrees, who would've thought that would happen on the internet??

But people should only be allowed to kill themselves in a controlled setting in order to prevent the pain if they don't want to/can't pay for the medications or treatments. Not when they are depressed or something like that

Nah, every life should be nurtured. Help the people by showing them that their lives are not just pain and suffering, that their lives can be as good as the lives of healthy people.

[Just JT]

Stronk Serb I agree with you to an extent. See that works in a perfect world where we can heal all illnesses and end all pain. But what do you say to a person who knows their dying a pain, terrible, agonizing death that's so painful, that they believe death is so much better cause they know the pain will only get worse and never go away?

I get what you mean, I think, and yeah, we all want all our families to live forever, we love them. But how do you justify disallowing someone that choose to die, only because of how someone else believes? It's their own life.

[Stronk Serb]

Stronk Serb I agree with you to an extent. See that works in a perfect world where we can heal all illnesses and end all pain. But what do you say to a person who knows their dying a pain, terrible, agonizing death that's so painful, that they believe death is so much better cause they know the pain will only get worse and never go away?

I get what you mean, I think, and yeah, we all want all our families to live forever, we love them. But how do you justify disallowing someone that choose to die, only because of how someone else believes? It's their own life.

Who says I dissalowed it? They want to die? Cool, give them a gun, show them whereto shoot themselves which will cause instant death and get on with it. Still, my standpoint is that no matter how shit of an illness you got, you can always move forward, and amy wishing of death (for most diseases, not the extreme ones) is a weakness of character that can be fixed.

[Just JT]

I wasn't saying that, that's a bit extreme and kinda I humane
Using drugs or something to ease the pain and let them slip away amongs family

Who's want to watch their family off themselves witha .45?

[Stronk Serb]

I wasn't saying that, that's a bit extreme and kinda I humane
Using drugs or something to ease the pain and let them slip away amongs family

Who's want to watch their family off themselves witha .45?

Give them a private room? No windows and soundproof.

[Vlerchan]

Give them a private room? No windows and soundproof.
The discontent of the cleaner that has to scrub up the blood would probably result in their being a sub-optimal state of affairs, in the utilitarian sense.

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Insofar as the patient has passed a full psychological evaluation, yes.

[Just JT]

Give them a private room? No windows and soundproof.


Wow, I'm glad I got my family

[Stronk Serb]

The discontent of the cleaner that has to scrub up the blood would probably result in their being a sub-optimal state of affairs, in the utilitarian sense.

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Insofar as the patient has passed a full psychological evaluation, yes.

Rubber-coated walls and floor should do tje trick, a lot easier to clean blood off that. Yeah, I also believe there should be a psychological evaluation during which the patient has to be both sober and drug free. He also needs to be like that during the deed itself, in order to be aware of what he is doing.

[StoppingTom]

Stronk Serb what of the people who are physically degrading and cannot recover? I'm appreciative of your optimism that people can still find their purpose even facing terminal illness. However, your idea of just giving someone a gun and a quiet place to off themselves, I'm hesitant about. What about someone with inoperable brain cancer or some other illness, that leaves them immobile and in horrible pain for the rest of their life? If this person can't physically hold a gun to their head, what then? Have someone else shoot them, or push drugs into them that will kill them quietly and peacefully. The former is a whole other can of psychological worms, the latter option would make other people who are terminally ill but not immobile go "Well, why do they get to go peacefully and quietly while I have to shoot myself, and make a mess that doesn't guarantee to kill me?"

[Melodic]

Yes.

I don't believe anyone who is nearing death and is suffering should have to live through that until the very end of their life. I feel they should have a choice.

[Drewboyy]

This was a response to the OP.



Nah, every life should be nurtured. Help the people by showing them that their lives are not just pain and suffering, that their lives can be as good as the lives of healthy people.

That is true to the point of literal pain that even the best medications can't fix.

[phuckphace]

killing yourself with a gun is a pretty nasty business all around. not to mention as Gig pointed out a terminal person probably won't be in any condition to effect a ~12 lb. trigger pull.

I'm thinking a massive dose of opiates or some other drug which knocks you completely out prior to death is the most humane way to go, and much less messy/gory.

[Stronk Serb]

Stronk Serb what of the people who are physically degrading and cannot recover? I'm appreciative of your optimism that people can still find their purpose even facing terminal illness. However, your idea of just giving someone a gun and a quiet place to off themselves, I'm hesitant about. What about someone with inoperable brain cancer or some other illness, that leaves them immobile and in horrible pain for the rest of their life? If this person can't physically hold a gun to their head, what then? Have someone else shoot them, or push drugs into them that will kill them quietly and peacefully. The former is a whole other can of psychological worms, the latter option would make other people who are terminally ill but not immobile go "Well, why do they get to go peacefully and quietly while I have to shoot myself, and make a mess that doesn't guarantee to kill me?"

Have them off themselves however they want. They can do it with drugs, firearms... pretty much any way of killing yourself.

That is true to the point of literal pain that even the best medications can't fix.

My mother had a friend who had leukemia from a young age, she told me she never saw such a happy and strong character in a person. She was joking around and being happy literally to the end. People should be shown first that their illness does not define their lives, that you can live a happy life even with these problems. If the illness and suffering become too much and chance of recovery are null, sure, let the person off themself in a fashion they want.

[Flapjack]

Have them off themselves however they want. They can do it with drugs, firearms... pretty much any way of killing yourself.

and those with locked in syndrome?

[Stronk Serb]

and those with locked in syndrome?

Did you read "...pretty much an way of killing yourself."
That mwans the possibilities of doing so are endless.

[Flapjack]

Did you read "...pretty much an way of killing themselves."
how would you suggest a guy with locked in syndrome kill himself then?

[Stronk Serb]

how would you suggest a guy with locked in syndrome kill himself then?

Assisted suicide?

[Flapjack]

Assisted suicide?
Thats good:) I thought you was going to say something like refusing food.

[volatile_knight]

I think that people should be allowed to end their life if they are suffering from a terminal illness as whether people would want to end their life depends on many factors like their family, (say if the person is the sole breadwinner), how confident they are of recovering fully, and if they are willing to accept treatment.