Hunting

[Flapjack]

Do you think hunting should be allowed?

I don't for a few reasons! Firstly, I love animals, just keeping it realXD

Secondly, hunters often want to own guns that can be used in a shooting to kill people.

Thirdly, hunters lower the biodiversity as they often hunt rarer animals.

I know some animals must be culled, and that sucks but I understand the need for it but I don't think people should be allowed to hunt as a sport.

[Judean Zealot]

I am opposed to the gratuitous killing of animals. Hunting for sport or mink stoles seems reprehensible to me. That said, hunting for food or actual clothing is something I have no problems with.

[Flapjack]

I am opposed to the gratuitous killing of animals. Hunting for sport or mink stoles seems reprehensible to me. That said, hunting for food or actual clothing is something I have no problems with.
Oh of course I completely agree:)

[Dalcourt]

Do you think hunting should be allowed?

I don't for a few reasons! Firstly, I love animals, just keeping it realXD

Secondly, hunters often want to own guns that can be used in a shooting to kill people.

Thirdly, hunters lower the biodiversity as they often hunt rarer animals.

I know some animals must be culled, and that sucks but I understand the need for it but I don't think people should be allowed to hunt as a sport.

I kinda understand your arguments and they are ll right.
Some hunters really just kill for fun and to show off their weapons and all that. They think it is extremely cool to kill some rare and exotic animals etc. etc.

But on the other side these arguments are just prejudices against hunting.

I for my part go hunting with my Dad and some friends on occasion, and I don't see that it really collides with my love for animals.
We just shoot that amount of animals we eat and for me this is a more human form to obtain meat than any other. When I shoot I kill in one shot the animal won't feel too much pain, stress or whatever. It's killed before it realises what's going on. Comparing this with other animals that people are just breeding for food it has much more of a life. It stays in it's natural environment without fear and pain and it is free till to run around and eat and just lives its natural life.. Other animals are crammed into small spaces...they just experience fear, pain and stress till the day they are finally taken to the slaughterhouse...they aren't seen as living beings just merchandise. So as I love animals I see this as the better way if we use them as food.

Your second argument about the weapons...this is well...that's just the banning guns in general debate cuz here in the States it doesn't matter if you go hunting or just have a gun cuz ya have the right to buy one. You can always use to kill it others or not. And going into depth here will lead the whole argument into a different direction.

It's not just hunters but people in general who are to blame that some animals are going extinct. This is also happening due to the way we live as a whole. We keep needing more space for us and the crops we grow for example and reduce their living environment and food. People wouldn't go hunting for excotic stuff like certain furs or ebony or whatever if there wasn't a market for it or it wasn't seen as a certain status symbol.

Ah well, really long post...

[DriveAlive]

I am so glad that we get to have this conversation again. I am a hunting fanatic. I am most happy when hunting. I only agree with your first point. I love animals. That is why I support hunting as a conservation effort.

Besides conservation or sustenance hunting, there is something deeply spiritual about being connected to nature and animals through something as primal as hunting. It gives you a deep connection to the world and the animals as you become a part of the natural food chain.

In addition, slaughterhouses are by far crueler than hunting. Hunting provides the most humane way to get healthy, natural meat without the unneeded suffering that the meat industry inflicts on animals.

I can go on and on...

[Judean Zealot]

I am so glad that we get to have this conversation again. I am a hunting fanatic. I am most happy when hunting. I only agree with your first point. I love animals. That is why I support hunting as a conservation effort.

Besides conservation or sustenance hunting, there is something deeply spiritual about being connected to nature and animals through something as primal as hunting. It gives you a deep connection to the world and the animals as you become a part of the natural food chain.

In addition, slaughterhouses are by far crueler than hunting. Hunting provides the most humane way to get healthy, natural meat without the unneeded suffering that the meat industry inflicts on animals.

I can go on and on...

But you agree that for sport is wrong?

[dxcxdzv]

VSFnmM12LOQ

Yeah this one had to come out soon or later.

But you agree that for sport is wrong?
The act of taking a life, however and for whatever reason, is wrong.
Kill is equally evil man.

[Judean Zealot]

The act of taking a life, however and for whatever reason, is wrong.
Kill is equally evil man.

You're opposed to eating meat?

[dxcxdzv]

You're opposed to eating meat?
That would be really hypocritical from me, considering my love for KFC.

But I don't want to hide behind some justifications (some stupid like sport or whatever, some more valid like feeding yourself).
Killing is killing, I admit it.

[DriveAlive]

But you agree that for sport is wrong?

I think that the sport designation is sometimes misleading. I have hunted in Africa, which many would consider "sport" hunting because the animals are not just local game, but I do not consider it as such because the primary motivation was not to get the biggest trophy, but to experience Africa. Yes, animals were eaten and trophies were kept. This is the type of "sport" hunting that many practice and I find acceptable.

[DriveAlive]

VSFnmM12LOQ

Yeah this one had to come out soon or later.


The act of taking a life, however and for whatever reason, is wrong.
Kill is equally evil man.

I did not watch it with sound, but shaking is completely normal for a first time hunter. It is just adrenaline.

[dxcxdzv]

I did not watch it with sound, but shaking is completely normal for a first time hunter. It is just adrenaline.
Adrenaline!

X0ToQiqnuUI

[Porpoise101]

I think that hunting can be a good way for people, especially youth, to experience the outdoors. Hunting is more 'pure' in my view than slaughtering animals. It is important that the animal's life is more than a simple memory or souvenir, it has to be for survival or have a greater purpose. Hunting must be done in an orderly manner and must have a scientific base to it, that is, only plentiful species should be killed. I consider poaching to be a terrible crime, however. To me it isn't just stealing a life, it's taking from the earth and it's people.

I will say that the only reason that hunting is used to control certain species (like deer in my area) is because the natural predators were hunted to extinction. In a future where we have wolves and a restored ecosystem, I think it will be safe for man to abandon this practice.

[Flapjack]

I think that the sport designation is sometimes misleading. I have hunted in Africa, which many would consider "sport" hunting because the animals are not just local game, but I do not consider it as such because the primary motivation was not to get the biggest trophy, but to experience Africa. Yes, animals were eaten and trophies were kept. This is the type of "sport" hunting that many practice and I find acceptable.
I am not judging you personally but this is the type of hunting I find most disgusting. You are not 'experiencing' Africa by shooting their animals! Africa is a beautiful continent so why not preserve their wildlife for future generations?

[DriveAlive]

I am not judging you personally but this is the type of hunting I find most disgusting. You are not 'experiencing' Africa by shooting their animals! Africa is a beautiful continent so why not preserve their wildlife for future generations?

Feel free to judge me, there is no offense taken. I understand the disgust that many have for hunting in exotic locations, and I share this disgust for certain types of hunting, namely, high-fenced or canned hunting in which the animals are kept in a small, enclosed area and some are released into this area just before the hunt. In my opinion, this is not hunting but shooting, and there is no place for it in the hunting community.

The type of exotic hunting I have participated in has been in open areas with free game. This means that there are no high fences or raised and released animals. More importantly, the majority of animals hunted are past the age of reproduction and are a burden on the environment. The benefit that some see in high-fenced hunting is that the environment is artificially maintained and stocked so that large numbers of trophy animals can be taken. By hunting in open areas like I did, killing older animals is the only way to maintain the populations and would be carried out by the government anyway.

Another benefit of hunting in Africa is that it provides incentive for the natives to not kill the animals and destroy their habitat. The expression "if it pays, it stays" applies to this. Since hunters are willing to come and hunt older animals, it increases the value of the animals, so farmers are less likely to kill the animals or destroy the land in order to farm. Basically, hunting in Africa incentivizes the people to preserve the environment.

Also, while you eat a lot of the meat from the animals hunted, a lot of it is donated to poor communities. With the amount of poverty and famine in Africa, hunting can bring lots of food to the people.

Basically, I am completely against any form of high-fenced or canned hunting, as well as hunting policies that are not sustainable or have an overall negative effect on the environment. However, hunting older animals in open land with a responsible number killed each year can effectively and ethically work to conserve the environment in Africa for future generations to enjoy.

[mattsmith48]

Do you think hunting should be allowed?

I don't for a few reasons! Firstly, I love animals, just keeping it realXD

Secondly, hunters often want to own guns that can be used in a shooting to kill people.

Thirdly, hunters lower the biodiversity as they often hunt rarer animals.

I know some animals must be culled, and that sucks but I understand the need for it but I don't think people should be allowed to hunt as a sport.

If you hunt to eat what youve killed and its keeped under control i have nothing against hunting its alot better than what they do with the animals the meat and other animal products what we buy at the grocery store.

[Porpoise101]

Another benefit of hunting in Africa is that it provides incentive for the natives to not kill the animals and destroy their habitat. The expression "if it pays, it stays" applies to this. Since hunters are willing to come and hunt older animals, it increases the value of the animals, so farmers are less likely to kill the animals or destroy the land in order to farm. Basically, hunting in Africa incentivizes the people to preserve the environment.
Many governments sell passes to kill older animals for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It goes to the natural resource dept, and funds conservation measures to stop poaching, which is a big issue in Africa. To say the animals are useless to the natives is wrong, they are quite valuable. They provide furs and ivory and bone. This gets shipped to China (for a pretty penny) where they believe it gives you superpowers. So this practice here shows that the alternative practice of wildlife management is much better to uncontrolled poaching.

[DriveAlive]

Many governments sell passes to kill older animals for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It goes to the natural resource dept, and funds conservation measures to stop poaching, which is a big issue in Africa. To say the animals are useless to the natives is wrong, they are quite valuable. They provide furs and ivory and bone. This gets shipped to China (for a pretty penny) where they believe it gives you superpowers. So this practice here shows that the alternative practice of wildlife management is much better to uncontrolled poaching.
Well some animals, like elephant or rhino, are in danger of being poached into extinction by the Chinese, while others, like Impala and even lion, are killed because they are seen as problem animals who take up farmland. You cannot really fault the natives for being not Eco-friendly with their farming practices, but hunting can incentivize them to adopt conservation of the environment and prevent poaching.

[dxcxdzv]

Farmers don't kill them so other people from richer countries can come and kill them?
Btw there are techniques to keep the animals away from farms, and they don't consist in killing them.

[Porpoise101]

Farmers don't kill them so other people from richer countries can come and kill them?
Btw there are techniques to keep the animals away from farms, and they don't consist in killing them.
Things get a little more complex than "build a wall and keep them out" , especially when the farmers are nomadic or subsistance based. Building these structures more expensive for the whole society as well.

[Flapjack]

There are a few points that seem to be lost here like the biodiveristy and endangered animals being hunted.

[dxcxdzv]

Things get a little more complex than "build a wall and keep them out" , especially when the farmers are nomadic or subsistance based. Building these structures more expensive for the whole society as well.
I'm not referring to a Trump-like solution.
Farmers use several stratagems like spice (they put a sort of pepper powder around the which prevents elephants from passing, for example) sound traps etc.
I don't really know about the final efficacy of those systems though.

[DriveAlive]

I'm not referring to a Trump-like solution.
Farmers use several stratagems like spice (they put a sort of pepper powder around the which prevents elephants from passing, for example) sound traps etc.
I don't really know about the final efficacy of those systems though.
These are not the options in Africa. They still do slash and burn. They do not live in the first world and killing problem animals is a very real problem.

[DriveAlive]

There are a few points that seem to be lost here like the biodiveristy and endangered animals being hunted.

Please explain where you disagree with me.

[Flapjack]

Please explain where you disagree with me.
Okay let me just use my physic powers;)

[Vlerchan]

Between what I already knew about the money big-game hunters pay to hunt exotic life, and what DriveAlive posted (post #15), I've been convinced that big-game hunting isn't an ethical bad.

Hunting for food or clothing, and in a manner that places conservation as the prime end, isn't wrong.

[DriveAlive]

Okay let me just use my physic powers;)

I understand that you care deeply about animals, but if you have a larger disagreement with hunting or a rebuttel to my points, please state it. I want to carry on this conversation because I think discussing it holds a lot of potential to inform on the topic.

[dxcxdzv]

These are not the options in Africa. They still do slash and burn. They do not live in the first world and killing problem animals is a very real problem.

I'm talking about solutions currently used in Africa.

[Leprous]

I understand that you care deeply about animals, but if you have a larger disagreement with hunting or a rebuttel to my points, please state it. I want to carry on this conversation because I think discussing it holds a lot of potential to inform on the topic.

May I ask you if you are against the hunt of endengared species in Africa? Since you already hunted there I'd like to know if you have already hunted on them.

[Judean Zealot]

May I ask you if you are against the hunt of endengared species in Africa? Since you already hunted there I'd like to know if you have already hunted on them.

Did you even read what he wrote?

[Leprous]

Did you even read what he wrote?

Am I allowed to ask questions here?

[Judean Zealot]

Am I allowed to ask questions here?

You are, but he's written in just about every one of his posts in this thread that he opposes hunting endangered species or something that will harm the ecosystem.

[Microcosm]

This may sound stupid, but I saw the movie Bambi and I was like nope.

I've never hunted before, but my family hunts a lot. Killing something that's sentient for fun just doesn't make logical sense to me. The loss seems much greater than the gain.
DriveAlive,

What of the pain it causes the animals, though? Even if they are a burden?

Hell, some humans are burdens on their society, but we don't kill them.

[DriveAlive]

This may sound stupid, but I saw the movie Bambi and I was like nope.

I've never hunted before, but my family hunts a lot. Killing something that's sentient for fun just doesn't make logical sense to me. The loss seems much greater than the gain.
DriveAlive,

What of the pain it causes the animals, though? Even if they are a burden?

Hell, some humans are burdens on their society, but we don't kill them.

Good question. The pain caused to the animal is unfortunate and any responsible hunter will try to minimize this pain as much as possible. While it is till bad to think about the animal suffering, it is much preferred for the animal to momentarily suffer after being shot than to either die in a slaughterhouse, die of starvation, die in a poacher's snare, or die from poison. These are all far worse realities that hunting can prevent.

Also, I am generally against hunting endangered animals, unless there is solid evidence that doing so will have an overall net benefit on the species. For example, the black rhino hunt a that was auctioned off last year was good because the rhino was passed the age of breeding and was violent toward other rhinos. He strained resources and posed a risk to the rhino population. Therefore, hunting him was a good way to raise money and help the remaining black rhinos.

[Microcosm]

Good question. The pain caused to the animal is unfortunate and any responsible hunter will try to minimize this pain as much as possible. While it is till bad to think about the animal suffering, it is much preferred for the animal to momentarily suffer after being shot than to either die in a slaughterhouse, die of starvation, die in a poacher's snare, or die from poison. These are all far worse realities that hunting can prevent.

Is it necessary for them to die at all, though? Why not make life conservation efforts to feed and nurture the animals? Like taking them in from their home country to somewhere where they are safe?

[DriveAlive]

Is it necessary for them to die at all, though? Why not make life conservation efforts to feed and nurture the animals? Like taking them in from their home country to somewhere where they are safe?

Unfortunately, this is not the way that nature works. Animals live and die in a particular environment and that is where they should belong for a litany of reasons. There is always the danger of the invasive population taking over and killing off the native animals. Also, it is just not natural to alter the ecosystem like this. What about all of the predators that eat these animals? Will they be relocated as well or left to starve? Pretty soon, we will have emptied the environment and just put all of the animals into a zoo somewhere. I know it is not pleasant to think about, but animals do have to die in nature for others to live.

[dxcxdzv]

Unfortunately, this is not the way that nature works. Animals live and die in a particular environment and that is where they should belong for a litany of reasons. There is always the danger of the invasive population taking over and killing off the native animals. Also, it is just not natural to alter the ecosystem like this. What about all of the predators that eat these animals? Will they be relocated as well or left to starve? Pretty soon, we will have emptied the environment and just put all of the animals into a zoo somewhere. I know it is not pleasant to think about, but animals do have to die in nature for others to live.
Knowing that hunting is one of your hobbies what you just said just looks extremely weird to me.

[DriveAlive]

Knowing that hunting is one of your hobbies what you just said just looks extremely weird to me.

Care to elaborate? I hate animals suffering, but I love hunting. The death is not what I enjoy, but the whole experience of hunting. I do not hunt in ways that hurt the environment because that is not sustainable or humane.

[dxcxdzv]

May I have a list of the species you hunted?

Btw:
"There is always the danger of the invasive population taking over and killing off the native animals. Also, it is just not natural to alter the ecosystem like this. What about all of the predators that eat these animals?"

Oh. You mean the Man?
That would be pretty surprising if the addition of the actions of all the responsible (i.e. who care) hunters appears to be beneficial to Nature.

[DriveAlive]

May I have a list of the species you hunted?

Btw:
"There is always the danger of the invasive population taking over and killing off the native animals. Also, it is just not natural to alter the ecosystem like this. What about all of the predators that eat these animals?"

Oh. You mean the Man?
That would be pretty surprising if the addition of the actions of all the responsible (i.e. who care) hunters appears to be beneficial to Nature.


Here is a list of all animals I have hunted that I can remember:
-blue wildebeest
-gemsbok
-Impala
-kudu
-blesbok
-Cape buffalo
-hog
-elk
-turkey
-sheep
-goat
-whitetail deer
-mule deer
-rabbit
-squirrel
-chukar
-dove
-grouse
-pheasant
-quail
-duck
-Goose
-Hungarian partridge
-coyote

[PlasmaHam]

I never get why people have a problem with hunting and then goes and pigs out at a KFC.

Hunting in my opinion is far more environmentally friendly than ranching and farming. And the meat is far healthier than the antibiotic and grain-feed farm animals.

[Professional Russian]

hunting controls the natural diversity of the environment. here in PA if we didn't hunt deer it'doesn't be over populated and out of control. hunting controls that population and keeps everything in the ecosystem equalm

[PlasmaHam]

hunting controls the natural diversity of the environment. here in PA if we didn't hunt deer it'doesn't be over populated and out of control. hunting controls that population and keeps everything in the ecosystem equalm


Yea, in North Carolina, the white-tail population has skyrocketed in recent years. They are threatening farms and even lives, with numerous deadly collisions with cars every year. Hunting is one the the few things that keep the deer from going crazy.

[Professional Russian]

Yea, in North Carolina, the white-tail population has skyrocketed in recent years. They are threatening farms and even lives, with numerous deadly collisions with cars every year. Hunting is one the the few things that keep the deer from going crazy.

exactly and they also destroy crops and such, rabbits eat up gardens and.ground hogs make a mess of your yard. coytes kill youre pets and eat them and snakes will bite you. you need to control those populations so they don't get out of control

[Porpoise101]

Yea, in North Carolina, the white-tail population has skyrocketed in recent years. They are threatening farms and even lives, with numerous deadly collisions with cars every year. Hunting is one the the few things that keep the deer from going crazy.
Hey I agree with you guys, but I'm just going to put this out there as a counterargument:

The reason that we need to hunt deer is because of the fact that hunters exterminated wolves. This disrupted the ecosystem and caused overpopulation of deer.

[PlasmaHam]

Hey I agree with you guys, but I'm just going to put this out there as a counterargument:

The reason that we need to hunt deer is because of the fact that hunters exterminated wolves. This disrupted the ecosystem and caused overpopulation of deer.

Really? Because that is not the reasoning I've heard for it.

Deer are underbrush and grassland animals. You may see deer in the woods but they prefer the underbrush along the edges. Deer are like raccoons in that they benefit from human activity. All those abandoned farms and old roads are great deer habitat, any deer hunter would tell you that. An increase in their preferred habitat in conjunction with decreased hunting in the last couple decades have brought this explosion.

I'm sure the wolf extermination (There are still wolves and coyotes in NC, just reduced), did have a small part in this gain. But the deer population didn't start this rapid expansion until the early 1900s, wolf extermination happened nearly 50 years prior.

[Porpoise101]

Really? Because that is not the reasoning I've heard for it.

Deer are underbrush and grassland animals. You may see deer in the woods but they prefer the underbrush along the edges. Deer are like raccoons in that they benefit from human activity. All those abandoned farms and old roads are great deer habitat, any deer hunter would tell you that. An increase in their preferred habitat in conjunction with decreased hunting in the last couple decades have brought this explosion.
Yes, this is true. Human expansions during the postwar years into old habitat have definitely increased deer populations. But wolves are not just woodland animals, especially during the winter months. They often like to inhabit the borders of forests, which coincides with deer habitat. Deer also do live in forests during key portions of life. Not in the deep forest, but they venture in with their young in the spring and bucks go their to claim territory in the fall. Wolves are opportunistic and intelligent and have capabilities to adapt, as well as the power to put their plans into action. Unlike coyotes, wolves can actually coordinate and strike against weak individuals.

In ecology, there is the term known as the 'carrying capacity', the amount of a certain species able to be supported in a given area. Predation by animals, disease, and man (native peoples) once made the deer population well below the carrying capacity. Now, our environments are overburdened because of the loss of animal predation without compensatory human predation.

[PlasmaHam]

Anyway, the main facet of my original post was ignored. Hunting is far more environmentally and health conscience than farming. Yet people think that eating chicken is far better than eating deer. This is a huge pro of hunting.

[Hyper]

It rather seems like the OP failed to clearly draw a distinction between either hunting, trophy hunting or hunting overall.

Though it does seem that OP has more of a problem with trophy hunting rather than hunting for food and cuelling numbers. Though most trophy hunting these days is actually done responsibly, I still don't like it myself personally.

What really hurts endangered species is poaching motivated by voodoo crap & Asian beliefs that eating certain animal parts has medicinal benefits.

And of course loss of physical environments.

[SethfromMI]

if they did not allow hunters to go hunting for deer in Michigan, we would have a serious overpopulation problem in a real hurry. the same would be for elsewhere as well.

should people be allowed to hunt endangered animals? certainly not. does all hunting need to be done within the bounds of the law? absolutely it does. that being said, hunting can have useful purposes. while in America, most people don't need it to survive, you would be surprised how many families do depend on being able to hunt for food (a deer can last a while if you use it right).

so I am not just go hunt anything and everything, but not only do I think it can be ok at times, in some cases, I would argue it does play an important role

[Hyper]

You can freeze game meats for years if you do it right... And they taste damn good + most are very lean.

[Professional Russian]

The reason that we need to hunt deer is because of the fact that hunters exterminated wolves. This disrupted the ecosystem and caused overpopulation of deer.

sorry haven't been paying attention to this too much recently. anyways PA game commission actually realeased a bunch of coyotes to control the deer population and it failed miserably. they actually ended up releasing rattle snakes to control that as well as put a $25 bounty on each coyote hide that was brought to them. so in a sense hunters kinda do and always did keep the population in check

[sqishy]

Yea, in North Carolina, the white-tail population has skyrocketed in recent years. They are threatening farms and even lives, with numerous deadly collisions with cars every year. Hunting is one the the few things that keep the deer from going crazy.

Similar is done in Scotland with some deer populations there, but with their ability to drain ecological resources.


Hey I agree with you guys, but I'm just going to put this out there as a counterargument:

The reason that we need to hunt deer is because of the fact that hunters exterminated wolves. This disrupted the ecosystem and caused overpopulation of deer.

Interesting how these things work out sometimes.

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I am not against hunting which is for helping out ecologically, and/or minimises pain of the hunted and minimises potential endanger the species and so on.

[Hyper]

Whatever the reason might be, it is entirely irrelevant. Unless we could somehow be 100% certain of the reason and be able to 100% revert the situation.

Which I think is entirely unviable... Human population and habitat has done nothing but expand rapidly since the industrial age.

So we need to do whatever we can to keep our ecological systems intact. Hunting is pretty much like gardening to put it metaphorically, too much of anything in a food chain is typically bad and can lead to horrible chain reactions across the food chain that ultimately affect us humans too.

What really needs to happen is better conservation of wildlife areas. Humanity itself isn't really that spread out on the planet, but the areas we use to exploit for resources are vast and that's where the real problem is.

We can't expect people to move away from nature or to stop expanding - that is inevitable - but we can do something about how we go about expanding and how we think about nature and respect it.

Good responsible hunters are doing good for themselves and the environment. Plus they're great teachers when it comes to understanding and respecting nature.

[jamie_n5]

Hunting should be allowed and is a natural part of human survival and it also is needed to help keep the animal population stable. Good conservation practices and laws help see to it that animal population are steady and not being drastically reduced. I love animals too. You have to look at places like Alaska where people that live out in the wilderness need to hunt and fish to feed their families and to survive. You ask the Native Americans and Native Alaskan's how they feel about hunting and you will really see how people can feel about hunting.

[Mrflufay]

.You ask the Native Americans and Native Alaskan's how they feel about hunting and you will really see how people can feel about hunting.

Yep. My people hold a ceremony every year, we hunt a deer and offer the heart to the fire. I know of many other tribes were hunting is rooted in some ceremonies. And any hunter knows that anybody can go into the forest or plains but not everyone can track an animal. Also where my people used to hunt deer (near Guadalajara) some areas have completely lost the deer population from human activities such as mining, oil drilling, deforestation, and building of settlements.

[Bull]

I enjoy hunting for several reasons: the bonding with family and friends, being in the wilderness, developing patience(sit in a duck blind will do it), developing marksmanship skill, protecting live stock(this is big for ranchers), breathing fresh air, and of course the fine food on the table. We also hunt rattle snakes for their venom which is used for medicinal benefit, the meat (tastes like chicken) and the skin which is used for boots, etc. Don't lump all hunters into one classification. We are not all bad; some are. Just like drivers-some are good others; not so much.

[Phosphene]

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