NRA endorses Trump...

[Flapjack]

So I just pop on facebook and see that this story is trending.
https://www.facebook.com/topic/National-Rifle-Association/112094682139061?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6287960997412344364

Seems the NRA would chose the fruit cake that is Trump over common sense gun control reform.

[lyhom]

this isn't really that surprising though...

[mattsmith48]

An organisation that is against any gun regulations and want everyone to be able to get a gun no matter how racist or crazy they are endorsing a neo nazi who encourage violence against any non white people how could this go wrong

[Body odah Man]

So I just pop on facebook and see that this story is trending.
https://www.facebook.com/topic/National-Rifle-Association/112094682139061?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6287960997412344364

Seems the NRA would chose the fruit cake that is Trump over common sense gun control reform.

Makes sense. It's sad, but it makes sense

[Stronk Serb]

So I just pop on facebook and see that this story is trending.
https://www.facebook.com/topic/National-Rifle-Association/112094682139061?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6287960997412344364

Seems the NRA would chose the fruit cake that is Trump over common sense gun control reform.

Gun control in the US is impossible. It's so easy to get them illegally, that it is plain stupid to prohibit people to get them legally. Besides, you don't fill out the papereork to legally obtain a firearm in order to kill someone. I think most crimes are comitted with illegal weapons.

An organisation that is against any gun regulations and want everyone to be able to get a gun no matter how racist or crazy they are endorsing a neo nazi who encourage violence against any non white people how could this go wrong

Wow, so much horseshit spat, Trump never said anything racist, prove it if he did. He is not an Anti-Semite and does not support mass extermination of non whites.. When liberals throw insults like this, it is ok, but when the conservatives start doing it, it's not.

[DriveAlive]

I am glad to see that the NRA is not so in the pocket of the establishment that they will not endorse the best man for the job of protecting 2A rights. Now if only my boy Tom Selleck was on the ticket...

[Body odah Man]

Gun control in the US is impossible. It's so easy to get them illegally, that it is plain stupid to prohibit people to get them legally. Besides, you don't fill out the papereork to legally obtain a firearm in order to kill someone. I think most crimes are comitted with illegal weapons.



Wow, so much horseshit spat, Trump never said anything racist, prove it if he did. He is not an Anti-Semite and does not support mass extermination of non whites.. When liberals throw insults like this, it is ok, but when the conservatives start doing it, it's not.

Trump does want to build a wall between Mexico and America though. Even if he's not doing it out of racism, that's still a stupid thing to do. You're absolutely right about gun control problems though.

[Sugaree]

Trump does want to build a wall between Mexico and America though. Even if he's not doing it out of racism, that's still a stupid thing to do. You're absolutely right about gun control problems though.

Why is it stupid to defend your borders from hordes of migrants that you can't track?

[mattsmith48]

Gun control in the US is impossible. It's so easy to get them illegally, that it is plain stupid to prohibit people to get them legally.

So since you can easily get a gun illegally its imposible to have gun control in the US and even if it was possible it would be stupid to do it? why not use the same thinking for other shit like alcohol why have a legal drinking age since underage people can easily get it anyway? What about pot? whats the point of pot being illegal since its easy to get illegally? What about tabacco? What about Meth?

Besides, you don't fill out the papereork to legally obtain a firearm in order to kill someone. I think most crimes are comitted with illegal weapons.

Thats not true, in more then 80% of the mass shootings in the US the gun or guns were acquired legally. That doesnt count all the people killed accidentally by a gun, murders done with legally acquired guns, racist cops shooting black people, and suicide done with guns

Wow, so much horseshit spat, Trump never said anything racist, prove it if he did. He is not an Anti-Semite and does not support mass extermination of non whites.. When liberals throw insults like this, it is ok, but when the conservatives start doing it, it's not.

Seriously!? He cant stay a day without saying something racist or sexist. He wants to kill and torture innocent people in the fight against ISIS, he wants to deport thousands of people, he want block entrance to the US to all Muslims for no reason and he encourages violence in his klan rallies.

[Sugaree]

Seriously!? He cant stay a day without saying something racist or sexist.

"Sexist" and "racist" mean nothing in this day and age because they are buzzwords.


He wants to kill and torture innocent people in the fight against ISIS

They aren't innocent when they harbor terrorists. A terrorist sympathizer is just as bad, if not worse, than the terrorists they harbor. War isn't about sharing and playing nicely. War is a nasty, grotesque, and barbaric event. Nothing is left off the table. Why do you hold sympathy for people that keep members of ISIS in their homes fully knowing what they do?

he wants to deport thousands of people

Because they came here illegally, and according to our laws, they are to be deported back to the country they came from. Again, why is it such a big deal to make sure people come into the country legally? Why is it such a big deal to have a border fence? Criminals use our southern border to smuggle illegal drugs, firearms, and other contraband. I wouldn't be surprised if terrorists are using it to cross into the United States.


he want block entrance to the US to all Muslims for no reason

Except there IS a reason for him wanting to block entrance from Muslim countries. The Middle East is a fucking disaster if you haven't been paying attention. It's gotten worse ever since the 2011 Arab Spring. You have multiple countries that have gone into civil war, one country that used chemical weapons on its own civilians, and another that did away with their democratically elected leader through a military coup. You also have a militant terrorist organization that now has global operatives stretching as far north as Europe and as far south as the southeast coasts of Africa.

Refugees in this situation are a given, and it's just as tragic as Kosovo in the mid 90s. We need to get a hold of the situation before we start letting people come over.


and he encourages violence in his klan rallies.

Would like to get some sources on how Donald Trump holds Ku Klux Klan rallies. I've been to four of his rallies in my home state, and none of his rallies had any hate group or hate speech present. If you're talking about the David Duke endorsement, Trump has gone on record as having rejected that endorsement multiple times. Unless Trump starts burning crosses and calling for blacks to be lynched, I'm not going to have any issue.

[Body odah Man]

Why is it stupid to defend your borders from hordes of migrants that you can't track?
While I agree that hordes of migrants are a problem, who do you think does all the nasty, unpleasant jobs in the country? Mostly, the migrants. If all the migrants get kicked out, who's going to do those jobs.

[Stronk Serb]

So since you can easily get a gun illegally its imposible to have gun control in the US and even if it was possible it would be stupid to do it? why not use the same thinking for other shit like alcohol why have a legal drinking age since underage people can easily get it anyway? What about pot? whats the point of pot being illegal since its easy to get illegally? What about tabacco? What about Meth?



Thats not true, in more then 80% of the mass shootings in the US the gun or guns were acquired legally. That doesnt count all the people killed accidentally by a gun, murders done with legally acquired guns, racist cops shooting black people, and suicide done with guns



Seriously!? He cant stay a day without saying something racist or sexist. He wants to kill and torture innocent people in the fight against ISIS, he wants to deport thousands of people, he want block entrance to the US to all Muslims for no reason and he encourages violence in his klan rallies.

Okay, cite your sources saying most gun crimes are comitted with illegal weapons. Also cite your sources of Trump's racist and sexist statements. Then I will take you seriously. Now I take you as a clown. Seeing how most terror attacks in the US were comitted by Muslims, the recent ones like San Fernandino and the Boston Bombing for example. Seeing how the migrants are causing chaos in Germany and Sweden, I completely understand him.

[mattsmith48]

"Sexist" and "racist" mean nothing in this day and age because they are buzzwords.




They aren't innocent when they harbor terrorists. A terrorist sympathizer is just as bad, if not worse, than the terrorists they harbor. War isn't about sharing and playing nicely. War is a nasty, grotesque, and barbaric event. Nothing is left off the table. Why do you hold sympathy for people that keep members of ISIS in their homes fully knowing what they do?



Because they came here illegally, and according to our laws, they are to be deported back to the country they came from. Again, why is it such a big deal to make sure people come into the country legally? Why is it such a big deal to have a border fence? Criminals use our southern border to smuggle illegal drugs, firearms, and other contraband. I wouldn't be surprised if terrorists are using it to cross into the United States.




Except there IS a reason for him wanting to block entrance from Muslim countries. The Middle East is a fucking disaster if you haven't been paying attention. It's gotten worse ever since the 2011 Arab Spring. You have multiple countries that have gone into civil war, one country that used chemical weapons on its own civilians, and another that did away with their democratically elected leader through a military coup. You also have a militant terrorist organization that now has global operatives stretching as far north as Europe and as far south as the southeast coasts of Africa.

Refugees in this situation are a given, and it's just as tragic as Kosovo in the mid 90s. We need to get a hold of the situation before we start letting people come over.




Would like to get some sources on how Donald Trump holds Ku Klux Klan rallies. I've been to four of his rallies in my home state, and none of his rallies had any hate group or hate speech present. If you're talking about the David Duke endorsement, Trump has gone on record as having rejected that endorsement multiple times. Unless Trump starts burning crosses and calling for blacks to be lynched, I'm not going to have any issue.

You know the Ku Klux Klan isnt only against black people? He keeps retweeting shit the KKK members tweet, he clearly hates Mexicans, he thinks all Muslims are terrorists, he said the China is one of the greatess theft in history they steal jobs and money from America when its rich people who gave it to them on purpose, he wants to kill famillies of terrorist thats a fucking war crime its the kind of thing Hitler would do, he praised Vladimir Putin one of the worse dictator in the world rightnow. He wants to stop any muslim from entering the US he didnt said from Muslim countries but from any where. he doesnt want Syrian Refugees to come to the US because hes scare they might be terrorists he keep saying Obama was a fraud because hes black and he has a Muslim name.

Okay, cite your sources saying most gun crimes are comitted with illegal weapons.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/more-80-percent-guns-used-mass-shootings-obtained-legally-n474441

Also cite your sources of Trump's racist and sexist statements. Then I will take you seriously

- “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists”

- “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.”

- "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her, wherever."

- "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

Seeing how most terror attacks in the US were comitted by Muslims, the recent ones like San Fernandino and the Boston Bombing for example. Seeing how the migrants are causing chaos in Germany and Sweden, I completely understand him.

Thats not true in fact most terrorism done in the US is done by non-muslim, like Christians, like the abortions clinic shootings last year.

For the migrants what is causing chaos is the high number for refugees wanting to enter those countries at the same time the ones that are in are rarely causing any trouble. There is no reason to fear Syrian Refugees are terrorist because of how hard it is to enter a country as a refugee. We started to accept Syrians here in Canada since December and they havent done anything yet

[Stronk Serb]

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/05/shocking-study-criminals-generally-dont-buy-guns-legally-at-gun-shops/

Prisoners themselves have spoken.

Also about Trump, nothing he said among those statements is racist. he never called anyone subhuman, his statement about Mexicans can be called prejudiced but not racist, also what he said about blacjs is not racist. So if I say I have had great relationship with some blacks, that makes me a KKK black hating asshole? Also cite full articles about the last two statements because it seems like cherry picking. Yes, America has a gun problem, but try to cut the supply to the criminals without, or minimally harming the legitimate gun owners.

[CoolGuy108]

So I just pop on facebook and see that this story is trending.
https://www.facebook.com/topic/National-Rifle-Association/112094682139061?source=whfrt&position=2&trqid=6287960997412344364

Seems the NRA would chose the fruit cake that is Trump over common sense gun control reform.

Yes because a group that likes guns and gun freedoms will rally behind someone who doesnt fully support the second amendment(Hillary)....what did you expect tf lol

[CoolGuy108]

- "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her, wherever."

- "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

1. He insults both men and women. But somehow whenever he insults women that is sexist, but for men its ok? The fact that you segregated that as sexist makes you more sexist than anything he has said.

2. Muslim isnt a race.......

[Flapjack]

Yes because a group that likes guns and gun freedoms will rally behind someone who doesnt fully support the second amendment(Hillary)....what did you expect tf lol

I just didn't previously believe they were so bad that thaey would risk the future of the USA.

[CoolGuy108]

I just didn't previously believe they were so bad that thaey would risk the future of the USA.

Trump is pro second amendment and pro gun...He is the only candidate to have a concealed carry license..

[Stronk Serb]

Trump is pro second amendment and pro gun...He is the only candidate to have a concealed carry license..

Hillary: BAN ALL GUNS!!! *spasmic noises, while she is followed by armed guards*

[mattsmith48]

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/05/shocking-study-criminals-generally-dont-buy-guns-legally-at-gun-shops/

Prisoners themselves have spoken.

Also about Trump, nothing he said among those statements is racist. he never called anyone subhuman, his statement about Mexicans can be called prejudiced but not racist, also what he said about blacjs is not racist. So if I say I have had great relationship with some blacks, that makes me a KKK black hating asshole? Also cite full articles about the last two statements because it seems like cherry picking. Yes, America has a gun problem, but try to cut the supply to the criminals without, or minimally harming the legitimate gun owners.

how is saying a majority of the imigrants coming from Mexico are criminals and rapist not racist? About wanting to ban an entire religion how do you call that? And saying “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” is the samething then someone saying ''im not racist i have alot of black friends''

- "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her, wherever."

- "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

1. He insults both men and women. But somehow whenever he insults women that is sexist, but for men its ok? The fact that you segregated that as sexist makes you more sexist than anything he has said.

2. Muslim isnt a race.......

1. Saying the reason why a women doesnt agree with you is because she as her periods is sexist

2. fine hes islamophobic too does it really makes that much of a difference?

Hillary: BAN ALL GUNS!!! *spasmic noises, while she is followed by armed guards*

shes not gonna ban guns just make it more difficult to get a gun theres only 1 good reason to have a gun if your a civilian and its to hunt

[Sugaree]

While I agree that hordes of migrants are a problem, who do you think does all the nasty, unpleasant jobs in the country? Mostly, the migrants. If all the migrants get kicked out, who's going to do those jobs.

I've had nothing but nasty jobs since I started working. I clean human excrement off of floors and carpets. I've removed dead animals from the sides of roads that are bigger than I am. Not once have I seen a migrant in those jobs. Most of the time, it's poor working class people doing it, not migrants.

Migrants taking those jobs is a problem because Americans aren't willing to get their hands dirty to make a buck. You gotta do nasty shit nowadays to make a paycheck, but it's a job at the end of the day. They aren't easy to come by. Illegal migrants don't deserve jobs, they deserve to be deported to the back of the line.

You know the Ku Klux Klan isnt only against black people? He keeps retweeting shit the KKK members tweet, he clearly hates Mexicans, he thinks all Muslims are terrorists, he said the China is one of the greatess theft in history they steal jobs and money from America when its rich people who gave it to them on purpose, he wants to kill famillies of terrorist thats a fucking war crime its the kind of thing Hitler would do, he praised Vladimir Putin one of the worse dictator in the world rightnow. He wants to stop any muslim from entering the US he didnt said from Muslim countries but from any where. he doesnt want Syrian Refugees to come to the US because hes scare they might be terrorists he keep saying Obama was a fraud because hes black and he has a Muslim name.

I'm well aware that the Klan is an equal opportunity hate organization. I've read enough on them to know that. But what do you think the Klan was invented for? It was made to scare freed slaves after the Civil War. I could give less a shit about what Donald Trump's interns put on his Twitter page too. Twitter doesn't offer true depth and substance for conversation.

Trump doesn't hate Mexicans. He hates illegal immigrants and people who sympathize with them by making sanctuary havens in places like San Francisco, which violates federal law. On the topic of Muslims and terrorism, don't you find it odd that every terrorist attack that's made the news is usually committed by a Muslim? Why don't you actually read the Koran and research the doctrines of Islam. Islam and it's followers are a cancer that must be purged from the Earth. It is not a religion of peace when it calls for the beheading of nonbelievers and the establishment of a religious dictatorship.

China is, as Trump has said, the world's greatest thief. What do you think happened after the bailouts of the major auto companies 8 years ago? All those manufacturing jobs from GM and the like all got shipped overseas to China. Why? Because they can get away with working people 20 hour days and pay them less than a few dollars a day and not be held accountable for abuses of workers. Why do you think many Chinese nationals who work at these factories commit suicide while on the job? China owns a majority of the United States' national debt. In essence, they own us. Most of the products you buy at the store are made in China. Hardly anything is American made anymore, and that's because the government has regulated businesses, both big and small, to death. The rich did not give money to China, it was China that took OUR jobs, OUR wealth, OUR securities and made it THEIRS. THAT is theft. THAT is a threat to our interests.

I suggest you start looking beyond the crafted narrative you're fed on a daily basis. Once you realize how bad things really are and how they got that way, you'll see how wrong you really are.

[thatcountrykid]

An organisation that is against any gun regulations and want everyone to be able to get a gun no matter how racist or crazy they are endorsing a neo nazi who encourage violence against any non white people how could this go wrong

So everyone who gets a gun is racist and crazy?

[Body odah Man]

I've had nothing but nasty jobs since I started working. I clean human excrement off of floors and carpets. I've removed dead animals from the sides of roads that are bigger than I am. Not once have I seen a migrant in those jobs. Most of the time, it's poor working class people doing it, not migrants.

Migrants taking those jobs is a problem because Americans aren't willing to get their hands dirty to make a buck. You gotta do nasty shit nowadays to make a paycheck, but it's a job at the end of the day. They aren't easy to come by. Illegal migrants don't deserve jobs, they deserve to be deported to the back of the line.



I'm well aware that the Klan is an equal opportunity hate organization. I've read enough on them to know that. But what do you think the Klan was invented for? It was made to scare freed slaves after the Civil War. I could give less a shit about what Donald Trump's interns put on his Twitter page too. Twitter doesn't offer true depth and substance for conversation.

Trump doesn't hate Mexicans. He hates illegal immigrants and people who sympathize with them by making sanctuary havens in places like San Francisco, which violates federal law. On the topic of Muslims and terrorism, don't you find it odd that every terrorist attack that's made the news is usually committed by a Muslim? Why don't you actually read the Koran and research the doctrines of Islam. Islam and it's followers are a cancer that must be purged from the Earth. It is not a religion of peace when it calls for the beheading of nonbelievers and the establishment of a religious dictatorship.

China is, as Trump has said, the world's greatest thief. What do you think happened after the bailouts of the major auto companies 8 years ago? All those manufacturing jobs from GM and the like all got shipped overseas to China. Why? Because they can get away with working people 20 hour days and pay them less than a few dollars a day and not be held accountable for abuses of workers. Why do you think many Chinese nationals who work at these factories commit suicide while on the job? China owns a majority of the United States' national debt. In essence, they own us. Most of the products you buy at the store are made in China. Hardly anything is American made anymore, and that's because the government has regulated businesses, both big and small, to death. The rich did not give money to China, it was China that took OUR jobs, OUR wealth, OUR securities and made it THEIRS. THAT is theft. THAT is a threat to our interests.

I suggest you start looking beyond the crafted narrative you're fed on a daily basis. Once you realize how bad things really are and how they got that way, you'll see how wrong you really are.

I'm willing to concede your other points due to lack of knowledge, but I do object to your portrayal of Muslims. The entire ISIS organisation is based off of a corrupt version of the Koran. The Muslims that are committing terrorist acts are mostly brainwashed/misled by ISIS and their actions have nothing to do with the true teachings of Islam. Muslim people even consider ISIS and their adherents to not be true Muslims. I have a lot of Muslim friends, and never once have I heard them say that the Koran commands them to kill all non believers. During the Muslim crusades, the Muslims attempted to CONVERT heathens and allowed Christians and Jews to stick to their religions and remain in Islamic towns as long as they paid a special tax. Those aren't the actions of a people determined to eradicate all non believers. However, it is true that Islam desires a religious dictatorship, but that alone doesn't make them a cancer on the earth.

[CoolGuy108]

how is saying a majority of the imigrants coming from Mexico are criminals and rapist not racist? About wanting to ban an entire religion how do you call that? And saying “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” is the samething then someone saying ''im not racist i have alot of black friends''



1. Saying the reason why a women doesnt agree with you is because she as her periods is sexist

2. fine hes islamophobic too does it really makes that much of a difference?



shes not gonna ban guns just make it more difficult to get a gun theres only 1 good reason to have a gun if your a civilian and its to hunt

Definition of Sexism.

The belief that one gender is superior to the other, especially that men are superior to women.

He never said Men are superior to women. We can see this by his record of hiring women to high positions in his company. Aka appointing the first woman *ever* to contract the building of a skyscraper.....in the 80s, a time when women just didnt have high up jobs like that.

Also looking at his companies, he has more high paying executive jobs held by women, not by men.

And to top it off, not only does Trump not remember this, the woman he apparently said it to doesn’t either. When asked about it she had this to say “I’ve always had a positive experience around Donald. He’s always been encouraging. He’s never been disrespectful to me.”

So are you really going to just try to repeat what the media has told you. Or are you going to believe the women who actually worked for him...

[Porpoise101]

Trump doesn't hate Mexicans. He hates illegal immigrants and people who sympathize with them by making sanctuary havens in places like San Francisco, which violates federal law. On the topic of Muslims and terrorism, don't you find it odd that every terrorist attack that's made the news is usually committed by a Muslim? Why don't you actually read the Koran and research the doctrines of Islam. Islam and it's followers are a cancer that must be purged from the Earth. It is not a religion of peace when it calls for the beheading of nonbelievers and the establishment of a religious dictatorship.

China is, as Trump has said, the world's greatest thief. What do you think happened after the bailouts of the major auto companies 8 years ago? All those manufacturing jobs from GM and the like all got shipped overseas to China. Why? Because they can get away with working people 20 hour days and pay them less than a few dollars a day and not be held accountable for abuses of workers. Why do you think many Chinese nationals who work at these factories commit suicide while on the job? China owns a majority of the United States' national debt. In essence, they own us. Most of the products you buy at the store are made in China. Hardly anything is American made anymore, and that's because the government has regulated businesses, both big and small, to death. The rich did not give money to China, it was China that took OUR jobs, OUR wealth, OUR securities and made it THEIRS. THAT is theft. THAT is a threat to our interests.

I suggest you start looking beyond the crafted narrative you're fed on a daily basis. Once you realize how bad things really are and how they got that way, you'll see how wrong you really are.
Is Islam really that bad? I have to say no. They are just like other monotheists, except they fast for a month and pray more. A lot of so called Islamic terrorists are just nationalists who use Islam to give their movement legitimacy. Look at the Taliban or the Uighur movements in China as my examples. The reason their text is violent is the same reason Numbers and Deuteronomy are violent in the Old Testament. They both were fighting for their people. The Israelites fought for their promised land and the Meccans fought for their city. Now Jews are pretty chill. And so are Muslims unless they are in war against each other.


As for China itself, I think it is not their fault. After all, WE were the ones who shipped out our manufacturing jobs. We were the ones who opened up relations with them. We decided to make trading easier. And it's for the better. We traded that away for a better quality of life as a whole. And we expected that we would be able to transition from this old way of building to a new way of servicing. Americans believed that they would be lifted up.. but the government or corporations did not provide educational opportunities for the labor force to be re skilled.

[mattsmith48]

I'm well aware that the Klan is an equal opportunity hate organization. I've read enough on them to know that. But what do you think the Klan was invented for? It was made to scare freed slaves after the Civil War. I could give less a shit about what Donald Trump's interns put on his Twitter page too. Twitter doesn't offer true depth and substance for conversation.

True when the Klan was created it was only about black people but now
its everyone who isnt white and christian

Trump doesn't hate Mexicans. He hates illegal immigrants and people who sympathize with them by making sanctuary havens in places like San Francisco, which violates federal law.

Instead of deporting all those people why not just change the laws and make it easier for them to become legal. Trying deporting all those people at once is impossible Hitler tried it with the jews when it didnt worked he just said Fuck it lets just kill them all, which is the exact same thing that will happen when Trump figured out its impossible to deport all those people.

On the topic of Muslims and terrorism, don't you find it odd that every terrorist attack that's made the news is usually committed by a Muslim?

What about the planned parenthood clinic shooting last year did it make the news? Yes. Was it terrorism? Yes. Who Did it? Christians. The guy who shot black people in a church he wasnt muslim. It was in the News for like a month after it happened

Why don't you actually read the Koran and research the doctrines of Islam. Islam and it's followers are a cancer that must be purged from the Earth. It is not a religion of peace when it calls for the beheading of nonbelievers and the establishment of a religious dictatorship.

The Koran is not worse then the bible except for one thing Mulsim have to get circumsised at birth. Thats the only case in which the Koran is worse. Other then that theres crazy violent shit in the Bible too like killing people for working on Sunday or stoning to death a girl because shes not a virgin on her wedding night.

China is, as Trump has said, the world's greatest thief. What do you think happened after the bailouts of the major auto companies 8 years ago? All those manufacturing jobs from GM and the like all got shipped overseas to China. Why? Because they can get away with working people 20 hour days and pay them less than a few dollars a day and not be held accountable for abuses of workers. Why do you think many Chinese nationals who work at these factories commit suicide while on the job? China owns a majority of the United States' national debt. In essence, they own us. Most of the products you buy at the store are made in China. Hardly anything is American made anymore, and that's because the government has regulated businesses, both big and small, to death. The rich did not give money to China, it was China that took OUR jobs, OUR wealth, OUR securities and made it THEIRS. THAT is theft. THAT is a threat to our interests.

China having less regulation and workers right doesnt make them the greatest thief. It makes them horrible people to their own population but not theifs to the rest of the world. They didnt steal jobs from americans its rich people like Trump who send them overseas on purpose because they get more done for cheaper, if everything was made in america a pair of pants would cost $200 a piece. And the reason america owes that much money to china is because conservatives got massive tax cuts for rich people but didnt replace those revenus and keeped spending as much if not more money

[mattsmith48]

So everyone who gets a gun is racist and crazy?
No but racist and crazy people are allowed to get guns thats the problem

[Stronk Serb]

how is saying a majority of the imigrants coming from Mexico are criminals and rapist not racist? About wanting to ban an entire religion how do you call that? And saying “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” is the samething then someone saying ''im not racist i have alot of black friends''



1. Saying the reason why a women doesnt agree with you is because she as her periods is sexist

2. fine hes islamophobic too does it really makes that much of a difference?



shes not gonna ban guns just make it more difficult to get a gun theres only 1 good reason to have a gun if your a civilian and its to hunt

Mexican and Muslim isn't a race. The statement is not sexist, it's a joke. A not so funny one at it. He is not islamophobic, he is anti illegal immigration, safe immigration and pro gun rights. I find it damn hypocritical that Hillary is talking about restricting access to guns (of which some are used for self defense) while surrounded by armed guards.

[mattsmith48]

Mexican and Muslim isn't a race. The statement is not sexist, it's a joke. A not so funny one at it. He is not islamophobic, he is anti illegal immigration, safe immigration and pro gun rights. I find it damn hypocritical that Hillary is talking about restricting access to guns (of which some are used for self defense) while surrounded by armed guards.

It wasnt a joke it was an attack at that woman.

Hes not islamophobic? what do you call wanting to ban a entire religion because he thinks there all extrimist and terrorist?

And for Hillary shes surrounded by armed guards because shes a very controversial presidential candidate in a country where any crazy person can easilly get a gun.

[thatcountrykid]

No but racist and crazy people are allowed to get guns thats the problem

Those who get propper diagnosis are usually red flagged from getting guns and unfortunately racist views is considered freedom of speech. You make it sound like if someone has even a slightly racist view they're gonna go on a rampage which just isn't true.

[mattsmith48]

Those who get propper diagnosis are usually red flagged from getting guns and unfortunately racist views is considered freedom of speech. You make it sound like if someone has even a slightly racist view they're gonna go on a rampage which just isn't true.

Thats why they should take their time before giving you the gun making sure you should be allowed to have one

[DriveAlive]

It wasnt a joke it was an attack at that woman.

Hes not islamophobic? what do you call wanting to ban a entire religion because he thinks there all extrimist and terrorist?

And for Hillary shes surrounded by armed guards because shes a very controversial presidential candidate in a country where any crazy person can easilly get a gun.

We like to throw around the term islamaphobic, but in the words of Jim Norton, you have to admit that as a group they do not have the best problem handling skills.

On a serious note, I honestly have no real problem with banning any religion that is based on the subjugation of women.

FYI, Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the country before.

[mattsmith48]

We like to throw around the term islamaphobic, but in the words of Jim Norton, you have to admit that as a group they do not have the best problem handling skills.

On a serious note, I honestly have no real problem with banning any religion that is based on the subjugation of women.

FYI, Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entering the country before.

Iranians its not a religion, Iranians are people who comes from Iran its totally different. Banning a entire religion is not allowed by The First Amendment of your constitution you know the part about freedom of religion its right over the part you guys like so much about guns

[DriveAlive]

Iranians its not a religion, Iranians are people who comes from Iran its totally different. Banning a entire religion is not allowed by The First Amendment of your constitution you know the part about freedom of religion its right over the part you guys like so much about guns

The Constitution only applies to U.S. citizens, not those trying to enter...

[mattsmith48]

The Constitution only applies to U.S. citizens, not those trying to enter...

Its about anyone who lives in the US not only citizens FYI some US citizens are Muslim too if they leave the US for whatever reason when they comeback they cant get in because of their religion. And prohibiting people from coming into the US legally only because of their religion I dont think thats allowed

[DriveAlive]

Its about anyone who lives in the US not only citizens FYI some US citizens are Muslim too if they leave the US for whatever reason when they comeback they cant get in because of their religion. And prohibiting people from coming into the US legally only because of their religion I dont think thats allowed

Legally, the president is able to ban any "group" of people from entering the country. That is why the Chinese Exclusion Act could still be put into effect.

[mattsmith48]

Legally, the president is able to ban any "group" of people from entering the country. That is why the Chinese Exclusion Act could still be put into effect.

Chinese is the population of a country not a religion show me the part where it said the president can ban an entire religion for no real reason

[DriveAlive]

Chinese is the population of a country not a religion show me the part where it said the president can ban an entire religion for no real reason

Legal scholars say that the Supreme Court could rule a ban on Muslims to be unconstitutional, but it is just as likely that they would not. The president has vast power regarding banning entrance of any GROUP of people that he/she believes to be a threat to the United States. In the past, this has included the Chinese, Iranians, and communists. The Court has made rulings in both directions on this issue in the past, but it is still very much within the realm of possibilities for a president to be able to do so. Here is an article that I just found.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/legal-scholar-trump-s-muslim-ban-may-be-constitutional-n484981

[thatcountrykid]

Thats why they should take their time before giving you the gun making sure you should be allowed to have one

They do. Whenever you purchase a gun they run a background check through state and federal systems to ensure you're allowed to have one.

[mattsmith48]

They do. Whenever you purchase a gun they run a background check through state and federal systems to ensure you're allowed to have one.

How long does it take before you get your gun?

[mattsmith48]

Trump now officially as enough delegates to be the nominee getting closer to start up the apocalypse

[Stronk Serb]

It wasnt a joke it was an attack at that woman.

Hes not islamophobic? what do you call wanting to ban a entire religion because he thinks there all extrimist and terrorist?

And for Hillary shes surrounded by armed guards because shes a very controversial presidential candidate in a country where any crazy person can easilly get a gun.

Why doesn't Trump have a battalion of armed guards at his disposal then? He is a controversial figure, a businessman, and a controversial presidential hopeful. He has mire risks of assault. Liike others said, the president has the right to ban certain groups from entering. You coukd argue the same for Iranians and commies, thatnit all are extreme, but why risk the lives of Americans you are sworn to protect? Your duty is to your citizens first. Look at Hungary, they built a wall to isolate them from migrants and there is order in the streets. While we were on an school excursion into the EU, the safest we felt was in countries who refused refugees, like Hungary and the Czech Republic. My friend almost got accosted in Vienna by some "poor refugees", there were others refugees who refused to do anything. Only when I and some Croat and Bosnian bystander intervened, did they stop trying to assault her. The ruler answers to his people first. How hard is it to understand? The ruler relies on the support of the people, so he dkes good for his people and keeps them safe.

How long does it take before you get your gun?

Depends on the gun. I figure long-barrel bolt-action rifles, shotguns and pistols are the easiest to get, long barrels being the easiest. From my knowledge, there are NFA (AR-15s and such) items for which you need a signature from your police chief and an FBI background check, to pay a tax and wait for a reply for up to six months. Short barrel rifles and shotguns are harder to get and machine guns (not sure what the law says about those, any automatic weapon or the military definition of a machine gun, as in an automatic weapon with a detachable high capacity box-fed or belt-fed ammunition system firring a rifle cartrige or larger but under 20 or so mm, like the .50BMG cartrige which is bigger than the usual rifle cartrige) only if made before '86 I think. Also imports have been hurt with Bill Clinton passing the bill prohibiting imports of some firearms.

[mattsmith48]

Why doesn't Trump have a battalion of armed guards at his disposal then? He is a controversial figure, a businessman, and a controversial presidential hopeful. He has mire risks of assault. Liike others said, the president has the right to ban certain groups from entering. You coukd argue the same for Iranians and commies, thatnit all are extreme, but why risk the lives of Americans you are sworn to protect? Your duty is to your citizens first. Look at Hungary, they built a wall to isolate them from migrants and there is order in the streets. While we were on an school excursion into the EU, the safest we felt was in countries who refused refugees, like Hungary and the Czech Republic. My friend almost got accosted in Vienna by some "poor refugees", there were others refugees who refused to do anything. Only when I and some Croat and Bosnian bystander intervened, did they stop trying to assault her. The ruler answers to his people first. How hard is it to understand? The ruler relies on the support of the people, so he dkes good for his people and keeps them safe.

I guess Trump feels safe enough just with the secret service.
We have refugees here in Canada we dont have any problem with them, we dont feel less safe since they arrived, there just trying go get away from their war torn country

Depends on the gun. I figure long-barrel bolt-action rifles, shotguns and pistols are the easiest to get, long barrels being the easiest. From my knowledge, there are NFA (AR-15s and such) items for which you need a signature from your police chief and an FBI background check, to pay a tax and wait for a reply for up to six months. Short barrel rifles and shotguns are harder to get and machine guns (not sure what the law says about those, any automatic weapon or the military definition of a machine gun, as in an automatic weapon with a detachable high capacity box-fed or belt-fed ammunition system firring a rifle cartrige or larger but under 20 or so mm, like the .50BMG cartrige which is bigger than the usual rifle cartrige) only if made before '86 I think. Also imports have been hurt with Bill Clinton passing the bill prohibiting imports of some firearms.

Just curious to know in what possible situation you would need a shootgun in your house?

[Stronk Serb]

I guess Trump feels safe enough just with the secret service.
We have refugees here in Canada we dont have any problem with them, we dont feel less safe since they arrived, there just trying go get away from their war torn country



Just curious to know in what possible situation you would need a shootgun in your house?

Why would the Secret Service protect Trump? He never held any public office. You didn't get enough refugees for them to start looting and causing trouble. In Belgrade the city I live in, they hang out at the train station and fight with the bystanders, authorites and among themselves. There is literally always a small pool of blood nearby.

Now about the shotgun in the house:
Due to the walls being poorly made, there are less chanches of piercing the walls and doing more damage/injuring someone with a shotgun due to the shot having more punch but less piercing power (a lot of small pellets hitting you but none can pass through you or a wall). If you fired a handgun or a rifle at the assailant, if you miss, you can indirectly injure someone or damage more property. That's if you use buck shot that isn't too large, also you can put non-lethal ammo in a shotgun, like rubber slugs or salted shot, good for subdoing, just nit to have a problem with the law because of fatalities, you must be able to prove that the assailant had intentions of using lethal force. I would rather have a shotgun, at least I can use it as a makeshift club if I run out of ammo, plus in Serbia, if I hit him with rubber, I will only get charged with illegal firearms discharge and not attempted murder or murder. Also a lot of affordable shotguns are customizable with laser sights, flashlights etc. I also heard that long-barrel shotguns are a lot easier to get legally than handguns in some states because you will have a hard time concealing an 18-inch barrel+buttstock if you plan to go on a shooting spree. It's the multi-tool of firearms, essentially.

[thatcountrykid]

How long does it take before you get your gun?

It depends on how long it takes to run the check. Sometimes 6 hours sometimes a week.

[mattsmith48]

Why would the Secret Service protect Trump? He never held any public office.

Secret service protect all presidental canditates still running

Now about the shotgun in the house:
Due to the walls being poorly made, there are less chanches of piercing the walls and doing more damage/injuring someone with a shotgun due to the shot having more punch but less piercing power (a lot of small pellets hitting you but none can pass through you or a wall). If you fired a handgun or a rifle at the assailant, if you miss, you can indirectly injure someone or damage more property. That's if you use buck shot that isn't too large, also you can put non-lethal ammo in a shotgun, like rubber slugs or salted shot, good for subdoing, just nit to have a problem with the law because of fatalities, you must be able to prove that the assailant had intentions of using lethal force. I would rather have a shotgun, at least I can use it as a makeshift club if I run out of ammo, plus in Serbia, if I hit him with rubber, I will only get charged with illegal firearms discharge and not attempted murder or murder. Also a lot of affordable shotguns are customizable with laser sights, flashlights etc. I also heard that long-barrel shotguns are a lot easier to get legally than handguns in some states because you will have a hard time concealing an 18-inch barrel+buttstock if you plan to go on a shooting spree. It's the multi-tool of firearms, essentially.

Ok but your not gonna take down a wall with a handgun. Also if you use a shootgun because if you use something else you might injure someone if you miss with a shootgun if you miss your shot you will definitely hurt some one or break something. How can you run out of ammo using a shootgun in a life or death situation?

[mattsmith48]

It depends on how long it takes to run the check. Sometimes 6 hours sometimes a week.

6 hours is not long enough to figure out if someone should or shouldnt have gun even a week is not long enough

[thatcountrykid]

6 hours is not long enough to figure out if someone should or shouldnt have gun even a week is not long enough

It's a background check through state and federal law enforcement agencies. They are the ones that clear people. Do you even know what goes into the checks?

[mattsmith48]

It's a background check through state and federal law enforcement agencies. They are the ones that clear people. Do you even know what goes into the checks?

tell me

[thatcountrykid]

tell me

Criminal history and red flags for mental health issues or watch lists.

[DerBear]

this isn't really that surprising though...

Exactly,

Considering the NRA are bury their heads in the sand. Its not surprising they're trump supporters.

[Stronk Serb]

Secret service protect all presidental canditates still running



Ok but your not gonna take down a wall with a handgun. Also if you use a shootgun because if you use something else you might injure someone if you miss with a shootgun if you miss your shot you will definitely hurt some one or break something. How can you run out of ammo using a shootgun in a life or death situation?

I am talking about the lack of quality with walls, thick as a sheet of plywood. Shotgun buck can cause less damage than a hand gun. Sure, it might make some small damage, but a handgun bullet can pass through a wall and cause more injury/damage. When you are defending your house, you are hardly going to miss with a shotgun due to tight space.

[DriveAlive]

Reasons why I have a shotgun in my house:
1. Becuase I own it and need to keep it somewhere
2. I want to and have every legal right to do so
3. Home defense
4. Hunting

[mattsmith48]

I am talking about the lack of quality with walls, thick as a sheet of plywood. Shotgun buck can cause less damage than a hand gun. Sure, it might make some small damage, but a handgun bullet can pass through a wall and cause more injury/damage. When you are defending your house, you are hardly going to miss with a shotgun due to tight space.

Still want to know how can you run out of ammo using a shootgun in a life or death situation?

Reasons why I have a shotgun in my house:
1. Becuase I own it and need to keep it somewhere
2. I want to and have every legal right to do so
3. Home defense
4. Hunting

what do you hunt with a shootgun?

[Stronk Serb]

Still want to know how can you run out of ammo using a shootgun in a life or death situation?

Let's see, in some places firearms can't be stored loaded, it might malfunction, it might not cycle shells, it might be a double-barrel shotgun and you fired both barrels and ammo is on the other side of the property, you could drop the ammunition and be unable to find it due to no lights. Adrenaline does wonders in a life and death situation, both good and bad. It can also be a single-barrel single-shot shotgun which really has no use for home defense in my opinion. I would always go with a good pump-action long-barrelled shotgun than a handgun, they are more reliable and easier to use and control. It's more intimidating to the invader at least. The only way I would be for heightened checks is if the police response was expanded to be always available. In many areas police forces are undermanned.

What you can hunt with a shotgun is many things. Birds, small wildlife, deer, not sure if you can cap a bear. It has so much variety in ammunition, for every situation a load best for it.

[DriveAlive]

Still want to know how can you run out of ammo using a shootgun in a life or death situation?



what do you hunt with a shootgun?

I doubt you would ever run out of ammo with a shotgun in a typical home invasion situation, but a more likely occurrence would be a malfunction of some kind that prevents the gun from working.

Shotguns are mainly used to hunt winged game (upland birds, waterfowl, etc.) and deer in some states that do not allow rifle hunting. Some also use shotguns for foxes and squirrels. A shotgun makes for good protection against bears, although typically you would not hunt a bear or other big game with one.

[Stronk Serb]

I doubt you would ever run out of ammo with a shotgun in a typical home invasion situation, but a more likely occurrence would be a malfunction of some kind that prevents the gun from working.

Shotguns are mainly used to hunt winged game (upland birds, waterfowl, etc.) and deer in some states that do not allow rifle hunting. Some also use shotguns for foxes and squirrels. A shotgun makes for good protection against bears, although typically you would not hunt a bear or other big game with one.

Well, it depends on the type of shotgun and placement of ammo, if it's unloaded, you can drop the shells accidentally. But if you have a good ol' pump action loaded, it is good. I watched some video of how the Soviets got to big game hunting with shotguns because rifles were banned. They used very interesting slugs and whatnot. Also what are the gun laws in your state? More specifically about firearm storage and ammo. Can you leave your gun loaded?

[DriveAlive]

Well, it depends on the type of shotgun and placement of ammo, if it's unloaded, you can drop the shells accidentally. But if you have a good ol' pump action loaded, it is good. I watched some video of how the Soviets got to big game hunting with shotguns because rifles were banned. They used very interesting slugs and whatnot. Also what are the gun laws in your state? More specifically about firearm storage and ammo. Can you leave your gun loaded?

As long as there are not underage children in the house (<13 years old, I think) you can keep your guns and ammo wherever you want and your guns can be loaded and ready to rock.

[mattsmith48]

I doubt you would ever run out of ammo with a shotgun in a typical home invasion situation, but a more likely occurrence would be a malfunction of some kind that prevents the gun from working.

Shotguns are mainly used to hunt winged game (upland birds, waterfowl, etc.) and deer in some states that do not allow rifle hunting. Some also use shotguns for foxes and squirrels. A shotgun makes for good protection against bears, although typically you would not hunt a bear or other big game with one.

If you hunt a fox with a shootgun after you kill the thing theres nothing left to eat and why hunt squirrels there bassically giant rats who lives in trees

As long as there are not underage children in the house (<13 years old, I think) you can keep your guns and ammo wherever you want and your guns can be loaded and ready to rock.

So thats the law where you live? btw i dont think its safe for a 14 year old to have access to a loaded gun

[DriveAlive]

If you hunt a fox with a shootgun after you kill the thing theres nothing left to eat and why hunt squirrels there bassically giant rats who lives in trees



So thats the law where you live? btw i dont think its safe for a 14 year old to have access to a loaded gun

First, a proper shotgun load will not destroy a fox. It will still be in one piece. Squirrels are edible and a great addition to chili. Also, you might not think it is safe for a 14 year old to have access to a gun, but if a parent deems their child safe enough, then I guess that is there decision. The government should not have to micromanage people's lives. Yes, there can be accidents and that is unfortunate, but the alternative is unreasonable.

[Stronk Serb]

First, a proper shotgun load will not destroy a fox. It will still be in one piece. Squirrels are edible and a great addition to chili. Also, you might not think it is safe for a 14 year old to have access to a gun, but if a parent deems their child safe enough, then I guess that is there decision. The government should not have to micromanage people's lives. Yes, there can be accidents and that is unfortunate, but the alternative is unreasonable.

Besides, if the parent deems the child unable to properly and responsibly use a firearm, they can always lock it up and have the keys on them. It's the parent's faukt if they misjudge their child if something bad happens.

[Flapjack]

Besides, if the parent deems the child unable to properly and responsibly use a firearm, they can always lock it up and have the keys on them. It's the parent's faukt if they misjudge their child if something bad happens.

When is a child ever responsible enough to use a firearm? Besides if the aprents did lock them up there wouldn't be soooo many accidental shootings.

[Stronk Serb]

When is a child ever responsible enough to use a firearm? Besides if the aprents did lock them up there wouldn't be soooo many accidental shootings.

What here is called a senior minor (makes no sense, I know) is able to be held criminally accounted, just like in the US. There are many cases of senior minors successfully handling firearms, ubfortunataly there are many accidents due to parents misjudging them. I will take my firearms training course and get a license to own firearms. When I get the money, I sill buy myself a handgun or a shotgun. I might even join a hunting club and get a hunting licence.

[mattsmith48]

First, a proper shotgun load will not destroy a fox. It will still be in one piece. Squirrels are edible and a great addition to chili. Also, you might not think it is safe for a 14 year old to have access to a gun, but if a parent deems their child safe enough, then I guess that is there decision. The government should not have to micromanage people's lives. Yes, there can be accidents and that is unfortunate, but the alternative is unreasonable.

Idk i wouldnt really want to try eating a Squirrel.

What is the alternative for you? no letting a 14 year old have a gun

[DriveAlive]

Idk i wouldnt really want to try eating a Squirrel.

What is the alternative for you? no letting a 14 year old have a gun
The alternative is making an unreasonable and unenforceable. Law that bans people of a certain age from handling firearms. You must be 18 to own a long gun and 21 to own a handgun, but you can handle a firearm at almost any age. There are many people that live in more rural communities that use firearms daily and it would be unreasonable for the government to tell these people that their children cannot handle them,

[mattsmith48]

The alternative is making an unreasonable and unenforceable. Law that bans people of a certain age from handling firearms. You must be 18 to own a long gun and 21 to own a handgun, but you can handle a firearm at almost any age. There are many people that live in more rural communities that use firearms daily and it would be unreasonable for the government to tell these people that their children cannot handle them,

Thats what fucked up with the US its easier for a kid year old to have access to a gun then a beer. A 18 year old is mature enough to buy a gun but not alchool. Why should they be allowed to shoot firearms daily? The only good reason to own a gun for a civilan is hunting.

[DriveAlive]

Thats what fucked up with the US its easier for a kid year old to have access to a gun then a beer. A 18 year old is mature enough to buy a gun but not alchool. Why should they be allowed to shoot firearms daily? The only good reason to own a gun for a civilan is hunting.

First, scientists have proven that the brain is not fully developed and can be damaged by alcohol until age 25. The reason for the 21 drinking age is to at least mitigate some of the risks associated with young people drinking.

Onto the firearms, why should the government tell a responsible person who is not breaking any laws and posing no threat to anyone that they cannot shoot daily or own firearms without being a hunter? Is it just because you do not feel comfortable with the concept? This is not a very convincing argument.

[mattsmith48]

First, scientists have proven that the brain is not fully developed and can be damaged by alcohol until age 25. The reason for the 21 drinking age is to at least mitigate some of the risks associated with young people drinking.

Onto the firearms, why should the government tell a responsible person who is not breaking any laws and posing no threat to anyone that they cannot shoot daily or own firearms without being a hunter? Is it just because you do not feel comfortable with the concept? This is not a very convincing argument.

Im just saying there is no good reason to own a gun other than hunting and theres even less reason to fight for the right to shoot your gun for no reason in your backyard every day.

What I dont feel comfortable with is people walking around with guns and being allowed to shoot them.

[DriveAlive]

Im just saying there is no good reason to own a gun other than hunting and theres even less reason to fight for the right to shoot your gun for no reason in your backyard every day.

What I dont feel comfortable with is people walking around with guns and being allowed to shoot them.

Explain why not. Most people are responsible gun owners, just like most are responsible drivers. Just because you feel unsafe on the road does not mean no one should be allowed to drive.

[mattsmith48]

Explain why not. Most people are responsible gun owners, just like most are responsible drivers. Just because you feel unsafe on the road does not mean no one should be allowed to drive.

With an unresponsible driver the cops can intervene before someone get hurt and take away your licence, with a gun the cops intervene after someone got hurt and die. being allowed to shoot your gun anytime you want higher the risk of accidents.

[DriveAlive]

With an unresponsible driver the cops can intervene before someone get hurt and take away your licence, with a gun the cops intervene after someone got hurt and die. being allowed to shoot your gun anytime you want higher the risk of accidents.

You are going to have to go into more detail here because I am having difficulty understanding this. Guns are dangerous. That is why you practice shooting them so that you can become more proficient and mitigate the risk. There are many other extremely dangerous things that civilians can do everyday, like operating cranes, driving semitrucks, drinking alcohol, flying planes, etc. How does it not bother you even slightly to think of the government telling a responsible law-abiding person that they are forbidden from exercising their rights in a safe manner because someone is bothered by the concept of firearms?

[Uniquemind]

So that begs the question:

What do you do for the unresponsible and stupid or just downright fatigue'd parents.


The conclusion this thread has reached is that there no action a community, or collective can do about this problem, due to semantics about rights and infringing etc.

Because we can't control stupid, but a community does deserve the right to limit the damage flying bullets does to building repairs, property values, loss of life because a stray bullet flew into your home FROM someone else's home where a stupid gun owner resides.

Because the consequences ripple farther than the immediate environment of the original ad owner I DO believe that that is cause for some allowances of the 2nd amendment to be more flexible before society starts screaming "rights violation".

The problem with the bill of rights, is that it's written too simply and is interpreted simply in a complex world that is attempting to be more pragmatic.

[mattsmith48]

You are going to have to go into more detail here because I am having difficulty understanding this. Guns are dangerous. That is why you practice shooting them so that you can become more proficient and mitigate the risk. There are many other extremely dangerous things that civilians can do everyday, like operating cranes, driving semitrucks, drinking alcohol, flying planes, etc. How does it not bother you even slightly to think of the government telling a responsible law-abiding person that they are forbidden from exercising their rights in a safe manner because someone is bothered by the concept of firearms?

No guns are dangerous so you shouldnt shoot them for no reason more you shoot a gun higher are the chance to shoot someone. Operating Cranes, semitrucks and flying planes you have more requirements than you never did anything illegal? no. alright your planes right there dont crash it thats not how shit works. You need to studdy, you need to have a class, you need to practice with someone who knows how to fly a plane and as been doing it for years. And for alcohol your not gonna die by taking one shot of vodka but you have pretty good chance to die by being shoot by a gun. When it comes to something that is dangerous that can kill people the goverment should be allowed to tell you dont do that. Thats why they are laws on how old you can drink alcohol, or by cigarettes, or that makes meth illegal, it can be dangerous for you and kill you those things will only kill you if you abuse it, with a gun it takes 1 shot to kill someone

[DriveAlive]

No guns are dangerous so you shouldnt shoot them for no reason more you shoot a gun higher are the chance to shoot someone. Operating Cranes, semitrucks and flying planes you have more requirements than you never did anything illegal? no. alright your planes right there dont crash it thats not how shit works. You need to studdy, you need to have a class, you need to practice with someone who knows how to fly a plane and as been doing it for years. And for alcohol your not gonna die by taking one shot of vodka but you have pretty good chance to die by being shoot by a gun. When it comes to something that is dangerous that can kill people the goverment should be allowed to tell you dont do that. Thats why they are laws on how old you can drink alcohol, or by cigarettes, or that makes meth illegal, it can be dangerous for you and kill you those things will only kill you if you abuse it, with a gun it takes 1 shot to kill someone
There are more vehicle and alcohol related deaths than gun deaths. No one will deny that guns are dangerous. That is why there is a thing called personal responsibility. This principle applies to cars and alcohol too.

You come from a place where guns are rare and I am guessing that you have no exposure to firearms. I have frequent exposure to firearms and view them differently because I have more experience with them. While I still think of them as dangerous and give them the healthy respect they deserve, I am not afraid of them. I am afraid of what some irresponsible people might do with them, but I do not let my fear control my life or surrender my freedom to the government.

FYI, In America we do not just shoot our guns wherever we want. Most people must go to a shooting range to do so. If you own enough property and your rounds will not enter someone else's or cause a noise disturbance, then you can shoot on your own land.