Hillary Clinton...

[Flapjack]

What do you guys think of Hillary Clinton?

I personally think she is very corrupt and a dodgy politician. Why do I think this?

1. The obvious and very famous speeches and corporate cash.
2. Her claims she is willing to break up the big banks... despite the fact that they are now bigger than they was last time when they were too big to fail.
3. The server she set up in her home.
4. Her lies about 'Bernie bros'

There's more but this is all I can recall at the moment:)

For full disclosure I am a Bernie Sanders supporter

[Kyle37]

I think she's very corrupt too, not to mention her husband was probably the worst president the states has ever seen in ever aspect (right behind Nixon). The emails she erased are incredibly important in my opinion in justifying her personal corruption as well as 'Bosnian Sniper'. She's messed up. Even though i'm from Canada (yay we have Trudeau!), i'm a Sanders supporter who if he loses to Hilary would actually LIKE to see Donald Trump become president just to stop her! She's very experienced and knows a lot about the political system, and since she is corrupt she can use her presidency to suck as much money for herself as possible and screw over other countries and the good working people of her country.

[mattsmith48]

I think she's very corrupt too, not to mention her husband was probably the worst president the states has ever seen in ever aspect (right behind Nixon). The emails she erased are incredibly important in my opinion in justifying her personal corruption as well as 'Bosnian Sniper'. She's messed up. Even though i'm from Canada (yay we have Trudeau!), i'm a Sanders supporter who if he loses to Hilary would actually LIKE to see Donald Trump become president just to stop her! She's very experienced and knows a lot about the political system, and since she is corrupt she can use her presidency to suck as much money for herself as possible and screw over other countries and the good working people of her country.

If bernie lose to Hillary, Trump actually has a chance to win

[Kyle37]

If bernie lose to Hillary, Trump actually has a chance to win

Thats true. Bernie has been a bit too late at hitting Hilary hard on her corruption which Trump will not pass up on. Trump is just better at attacking people in debates and through the media which makes him an excellent candidate to win.

And in my opinion Trump is liberal enough on the issues that I care about that I think most Americans would actually be ok with if they actually listened to him and look at what he actually supports and not just "wall wall" "mexicans mexicans".

Posts merged. Use the edit button. ~Giygas
Alright soz ~Kyle37

[Flapjack]

And in my opinion Trump is liberal enough on the issues that I care about that I think most Americans would actually be ok with if they actually listened to him and look at what he actually supports and not just "wall wall" "mexicans mexicans".

Dude, Trump don't even know what he would do if he became president, he is already flip flopping on his most famous policies now he is entering a general election.

[mattsmith48]

And in my opinion Trump is liberal enough on the issues that I care about that I think most Americans would actually be ok with if they actually listened to him and look at what he actually supports and not just "wall wall" "mexicans mexicans".

Maybe problem is we dont know what he supports because he change is mind on everything every 5 mins

[Vlerchan]

Clinton is better on issues of policy and I trust the institutions in-place to constrain her megalomania. I'm a cost-minimiser, too, and I expect the least-worst outcome to emerge from Clinton being president. She'll then hopefully be removed in 2020.

I also consider Nixon and (Bill) Clinton to be two of the greater presidents of the post-war era, just in case this post doesn't bother yous enough.

[StoppingTom]

I agree with Vlerchan, it's much less risky to vote for Hillary (lesser of two evils) and expect the Republicans to put out candidates with more charisma than a wet paper towel (@Jeb!) than roll the dice on the tangerine lunatic.

[kevenity]

Personally, I do not like Hillary Clinton. She is corrupt and she would say anything to get elected. She changes her views to any current trend happening in society. The Democrats also have the election rigged in her favor too which is a big shame. Honestly, a third party candidate would be preferable at this point. I'm still contemplating whether I'd support Clinton or Trump if it comes doen to it.

[Stronk Serb]

I will just say one thing. Bitch. She is the true definition of a corrupt, souless politician. She also lied about being greeted with Serbian sniper fire on her visit to Sarajevo. That statement described us as animals shooting at foreign dignitaries, although I wouldn't mind them shooting her if she wasn't there on official busines. Thankfully she redacted that statement.

[Judean Zealot]

Sanders supporters are going to be awfully pissed when she backpedals on all the anti capitalist, anti trade, and redistributionist bull she's had to spew to win this primary election. Much schadenfreude awaits.

[Jay21]

She is a heartless, deceitful woman who will pander to anyone in order to get votes. She will lie about anything to make herself look good and make others look bad. Her email scandal has jeopardized our country's security, especially since countries like Russia claims they have 20,000 of said emails. She is under investigation by the FBI and shouldn't even be allowed to run. Her main selling point for why she should win is "I'm a woman". She let 4 good Americans die in Benghazi after having to fight for 13 hours for their lives. Overall, she is one of the most corrupt politicians we've had in decades and is a truly vile woman. I support Trump but I would take Bernie Sanders over her any day.

[Vlerchan]

I find it interesting (disturbing) that in a thread where we discuss Clinton not a single person has offered a critique of a single one of her policies.


I imagine it's because Sanders and Trump have been marketing themselves as people - and that's the standard through which we've come to judge the whole election.

[Body odah Man]

I think she's very corrupt too, not to mention her husband was probably the worst president the states has ever seen in ever aspect (right behind Nixon). The emails she erased are incredibly important in my opinion in justifying her personal corruption as well as 'Bosnian Sniper'. She's messed up. Even though i'm from Canada (yay we have Trudeau!), i'm a Sanders supporter who if he loses to Hilary would actually LIKE to see Donald Trump become president just to stop her! She's very experienced and knows a lot about the political system, and since she is corrupt she can use her presidency to suck as much money for herself as possible and screw over other countries and the good working people of her country.

Bosnian sniper? I disagree on your take about Trump > Hillary; Hillary's bad, but Trump is worse IMO
What do you guys think of Hillary Clinton?

I personally think she is very corrupt and a dodgy politician. Why do I think this?

1. The obvious and very famous speeches and corporate cash.
2. Her claims she is willing to break up the big banks... despite the fact that they are now bigger than they was last time when they were too big to fail.
3. The server she set up in her home.
4. Her lies about 'Bernie bros'

There's more but this is all I can recall at the moment:)

For full disclosure I am a Bernie Sanders supporter

Sanders ftw. Man, the world is messed up seeing how an awesome candidate like Bernie is losing terribly. I'm neutral about Clinton cuz she's better than Trump.

[DriveAlive]

While I am a huuuge Trump fan, I do not have the same issue with Hillary as most seem to here. I really like Bill and I hope that Hillary will continue his policies, but I have a fear that she will just continue the Obama policies and whatever else the new liberal party wants. That is why I am leaning more heavily to Trump. Honestly, Sanders is the worst possible outcome for the country and I would vote for anyone over him (even-shudders-Cruz-ssss)

[Body odah Man]

While I am a huuuge Trump fan, I do not have the same issue with Hillary as most seem to here. I really like Bill and I hope that Hillary will continue his policies, but I have a fear that she will just continue the Obama policies and whatever else the new liberal party wants. That is why I am leaning more heavily to Trump. Honestly, Sanders is the worst possible outcome for the country and I would vote for anyone over him (even-shudders-Cruz-ssss)

I'd ask why and tell you why I'd prefer Hillary to Trump, but from what I hear all the candidates suck in one way or another and this election is becoming more and more of a mess. Plus I'm abroad so I haven't rlly been following the whole mess

[Flapjack]

While I am a huuuge Trump fan, I do not have the same issue with Hillary as most seem to here. I really like Bill and I hope that Hillary will continue his policies, but I have a fear that she will just continue the Obama policies and whatever else the new liberal party wants. That is why I am leaning more heavily to Trump. Honestly, Sanders is the worst possible outcome for the country and I would vote for anyone over him (even-shudders-Cruz-ssss)

Whyyyy support trump?? I get maybeee you love his policies (which is kindaaa a lot concerning) He dosen't even keep to them policies!! He has aqlready backed down on most of his most famous plans and changed well known opinions not the nut job is entering a general election.

[Leprous]

While I am a huuuge Trump fan, I do not have the same issue with Hillary as most seem to here. I really like Bill and I hope that Hillary will continue his policies, but I have a fear that she will just continue the Obama policies and whatever else the new liberal party wants. That is why I am leaning more heavily to Trump. Honestly, Sanders is the worst possible outcome for the country and I would vote for anyone over him (even-shudders-Cruz-ssss)

Trump would literally result in world war 3, which is something allot of people don't realise here. He will literally bomb the middle east whenever he feels like it. Also, this means you agree with the fact all women who want an abortion should be punished and that the Mexicans should pay for their own wall?

[DriveAlive]

I'd ask why and tell you why I'd prefer Hillary to Trump, but from what I hear all the candidates suck in one way or another and this election is becoming more and more of a mess. Plus I'm abroad so I haven't rlly been following the whole mess
I would like to hear your reasoning on the issue and I will share some of mine. The issues I care most about in the election (in no particular order) and the candidates I think will best handle them are:

1. Pro gun rights--Trump
2. Tough on China--Trump
3. Stronger border security--Trump
4. Welfare reform--Clinton
5. ISIS/terrorist threats--Clinton
6. Tough on drug trade--Trump
7. Pro choice rights--Clinton
8. Lower taxes--Trump
9. Cutting government spending--Trump
10. Pro environment--Clinton

These are just a small sampling of stances on the current issues but are some pretty important ones to me. As these ones show I am 6-4 in favor of Trump and generally side with him on a lot of other issues. I do not think it would be doomsday if either candidate was elected, but generally I tend to think that Trump reflects my views on the most predominant issues.

[Body odah Man]

I would like to hear your reasoning on the issue and I will share some of mine. The issues I care most about in the election (in no particular order) and the candidates I think will best handle them are:

1. Pro gun rights--Trump
2. Tough on China--Trump
3. Stronger border security--Trump
4. Welfare reform--Clinton
5. ISIS/terrorist threats--Clinton
6. Tough on drug trade--Trump
7. Pro choice rights--Clinton
8. Lower taxes--Trump
9. Cutting government spending--Trump
10. Pro environment--Clinton

These are just a small sampling of stances on the current issues but are some pretty important ones to me. As these ones show I am 6-4 in favor of Trump and generally side with him on a lot of other issues. I do not think it would be doomsday if either candidate was elected, but generally I tend to think that Trump reflects my views on the most predominant issues.

I'd enjoy having a nice, non violent discussion about this topic, but sadly I'm just not up to date enough about what's going on currently in America and in the election to do so, I'm afraid.

[DriveAlive]

I'd enjoy having a nice, non violent discussion about this topic, but sadly I'm just not up to date enough about what's going on currently in America and in the election to do so, I'm afraid.

Haha feel free to chat me up about it whenever. I am all for reasonable political discourse and I love to genuinely discuss the issues.

[Body odah Man]

Haha feel free to chat me up about it whenever. I am all for reasonable political discourse and I love to genuinely discuss the issues.

I will once I know what the hell's going on. It's nice to have a discussion with someone that ISN'T totally abusive/argumentative

[CoolGuy108]

What do you guys think of Hillary Clinton?

I personally think she is very corrupt and a dodgy politician. Why do I think this?

1. The obvious and very famous speeches and corporate cash.
2. Her claims she is willing to break up the big banks... despite the fact that they are now bigger than they was last time when they were too big to fail.
3. The server she set up in her home.
4. Her lies about 'Bernie bros'

There's more but this is all I can recall at the moment:)

For full disclosure I am a Bernie Sanders supporter

Here's my thoughts:

1. She claims to be a protecter of women, but then takes millions from countries who treat women as second class citizens.

2. She claims that she is essentially a strong women and that all women are perfectly strong and the same as men(which they are), then cries "sexist" when Trump or anyone else calls her out on these things.

3. She mishandled government documents on an unsecure server and sent them on unsecure networks. Aka, Kremlin hacked into it and has those documents. And God Bless Them for letting us call HC on her BS

4. She is very warmongering as long as she gets paid. Ex: A newly-released Hilary Clinton email confirmed that the Obama administration has deliberately provoked the civil war in Syria as the “best way to help Israel.”. Gotta love Wikileaks

5. She has gotten the Democratic Party to keep her out of jail for what she did. They will easily hand the nomination to her as they dont like Sanders at all. Even if she gets sent to jail, they will just choose someone they like.

The Republican party was going to do that too at a "contested convention" too, the thoughts were that Kasich would be the nominee, until he dropped out.

[Flapjack]

Here's my thoughts:

1. She claims to be a protecter of women, but then takes millions from countries who treat women as second class citizens.

2. She claims that she is essentially a strong women and that all women are perfectly strong and the same as men(which they are), then cries "sexist" when Trump or anyone else calls her out on these things.

3. She mishandled government documents on an unsecure server and sent them on unsecure networks. Aka, Kremlin hacked into it and has those documents. And God Bless Them for letting us call HC on her BS

4. She is very warmongering as long as she gets paid. Ex: A newly-released Hilary Clinton email confirmed that the Obama administration has deliberately provoked the civil war in Syria as the “best way to help Israel.”. Gotta love Wikileaks

5. She has gotten the Democratic Party to keep her out of jail for what she did. They will easily hand the nomination to her as they dont like Sanders at all. Even if she gets sent to jail, they will just choose someone they like.

The Republican party was going to do that too at a "contested convention" too, the thoughts were that Kasich would be the nominee, until he dropped out.
Couldn't agree more! Although calling trump sexist is fair but not bernie!

To top it off trump is now beating her in the polls...:'(

[CoolGuy108]

Couldn't agree more! Although calling trump sexist is fair but not bernie!

To top it off trump is now beating her in the polls...:'(

Can you list the things Trump has done that are sexist?

Would a sexist raise such a strong and smart business woman such as Ivanka?

Trump hired the first female general contractor in charge of constructing a skyscraper in the history

He insults men and women alike, but somehow when he insults women its magically sexist, but he insults men and its ok. That kind of thinking is more sexist than what he has said about any woman.

Bernie Sanders has said things far worse and more sexist than Trump ever did.

In the 70’s he published an article talking about how men “fantasize about assaulting women’ and on top of that he also wrote “ women, while having sex with their partner, fantasize about being raped by three men”. No, i’m dead serious, he published that. So Bernie literally said that women fantasize about being gang raped, yet Trump is the sexist one.

You see the bar has been set so low for Trump to qualify as sexist that there is literally no way to defend that position without admitting that Bernie is a sexist rape apologist. But that doesn’t happen. People make excuses, they rationalize, they have a mental block when confronted with the fact that Bernie has said things far worse than anything Trump did.

[Flapjack]

Can you list the things Trump has done that are sexist?

Would a sexist raise such a strong and smart business woman such as Ivanka?

Trump hired the first female general contractor in charge of constructing a skyscraper in the history

He insults men and women alike, but somehow when he insults women its magically sexist, but he insults men and its ok. That kind of thinking is more sexist than what he has said about any woman.

Bernie Sanders has said things far worse and more sexist than Trump ever did.

In the 70’s he published an article talking about how men “fantasize about assaulting women’ and on top of that he also wrote “ women, while having sex with their partner, fantasize about being raped by three men”. No, i’m dead serious, he published that. So Bernie literally said that women fantasize about being gang raped, yet Trump is the sexist one.

You see the bar has been set so low for Trump to qualify as sexist that there is literally no way to defend that position without admitting that Bernie is a sexist rape apologist. But that doesn’t happen. People make excuses, they rationalize, they have a mental block when confronted with the fact that Bernie has said things far worse than anything Trump did.
Do you support trump?

[CoolGuy108]

Do you support trump?

No, as a matter of fact I do not. I was a Rand Paul supporter, then a Cruz supporter, and nothing right now.

But if I truly feel the need to take Hillary down, I will become a Trump supporter.

But nothing pisses me off more than the misinformation that the media has spread about essentially all Republican candidates, Cruz included. The worst lies are on Trump.

We now have thousands of people who dont even look into policies anymore. They just take whatever soundbite the media has taken out of context and spew it back out as "fact".

My original questions still stand. Can you give examples

[Flapjack]

No, as a matter of fact I do not. I was a Rand Paul supporter, then a Cruz supporter, and nothing right now.

But if I truly feel the need to take Hillary down, I will become a Trump supporter.

But nothing pisses me off more than the misinformation that the media has spread about essentially all Republican candidates, Cruz included. The worst lies are on Trump.

We now have thousands of people who dont even look into policies anymore. They just take whatever soundbite the media has taken out of context and spew it back out as "fact".

My original questions still stand. Can you give examples
Yeahhh but this is off topic buddy start a new thread:)

[Plane And Simple]

Let's keep the thread on topic, and not backseat moderate.

Thank you.

[Microcosm]

I find it interesting (disturbing) that in a thread where we discuss Clinton not a single person has offered a critique of a single one of her policies.


I imagine it's because Sanders and Trump have been marketing themselves as people - and that's the standard through which we've come to judge the whole election.

I think of that standard as not so bad. If they can accurately describe themselves as people, then we can check how they present themselves with their track record of personality throughout their lives to tell if they're lying. Hillary's track record is very bad in this regard, specifically on how she changed her views on gay marriage right as it became popular to do so. I think of gay marriage as a sort of personal issue as well as a civil rights issue.

I'd say Sanders and Trump have had a pretty decent track record with sticking to their beliefs throughout much of their lives. This makes it more likely that they won't start changing their views once they get in office.

I honestly think Hillary would change her views and even do things that are against the policies she ran on. She's completely flip-flopped on various issues in the past.

Personality isn't as easy to change as policy, though. If someone fakes their personality, it's a bit easier to tell because you can compare it to how they were in the past before their presidential bid started.

[Porpoise101]

I'm supportive of any liberal. So whoever is the strongest candidate against Trump I will support. If that means Bernard, so be it. If it means Hilary, so be it.

[DriveAlive]

I'm supportive of any liberal. So whoever is the strongest candidate against Trump I will support. If that means Bernard, so be it. If it means Hilary, so be it.

Liberalism is not what it used to be. As my signature suggests, I still often refer to myself as a liberal. I guess I might be more of a blue dog, but I think Sanders is a reflection of the ugly transformation that the Democratic Party is going through. He is everything wrong with liberalism, from socialist policies to political correctness. Clinton (and Biden) is the last hope at getting a true Democrat in the White House and even she is compromising her stances to try to compete with Bernie. Honestly, this might be the last election in which I vote Democrat if I even do.

[Porpoise101]

Liberalism is not what it used to be. As my signature suggests, I still often refer to myself as a liberal. I guess I might be more of a blue dog, but I think Sanders is a reflection of the ugly transformation that the Democratic Party is going through. He is everything wrong with liberalism, from socialist policies to political correctness. Clinton (and Biden) is the last hope at getting a true Democrat in the White House and even she is compromising her stances to try to compete with Bernie. Honestly, this might be the last election in which I vote Democrat if I even do.
Well it's important to remember that Sanders never was a Democrat until this race. So he isn't representative of the party because he is an outsider in some ways. I like blue dog types because they are often able to bridge political divisions if people are willing to work with them. The sad thing for Hillary is that she isn't popular and it can be damaging for Conservatives to compromise with her.

I'm not opposed to Sanders because his policies are going to be watered down if they even pass. And I'm ok with that. I do think that we should reinvest in our education and society. I also think that anti corruption is a noble cause. So he appeals to me in some ways.

The overall problem with the candidates this year is that there is not a person who can feasibly bridge the gap between the parties. Each side is too extreme.

[DriveAlive]

Well it's important to remember that Sanders never was a Democrat until this race. So he isn't representative of the party because he is an outsider in some ways. I like blue dog types because they are often able to bridge political divisions if people are willing to work with them. The sad thing for Hillary is that she isn't popular and it can be damaging for Conservatives to compromise with her.

I'm not opposed to Sanders because his policies are going to be watered down if they even pass. And I'm ok with that. I do think that we should reinvest in our education and society. I also think that anti corruption is a noble cause. So he appeals to me in some ways.

The overall problem with the candidates this year is that there is not a person who can feasibly bridge the gap between the parties. Each side is too extreme.
I agree with this to an extent. No, Bernie does not reflect the Democratic Party platform in the same way that Cruz does not for Republicans. However, the vast new liberal support for Bernie's views has created a shift in the party, corrupting it into the new liberalism that I so detest.

Hillary is (or at least was) a blue dog that I can get behind. If she was like Bill as president, I would be incredibly happy. Unfortunately, I think she is starting to abandon her principles to garner support from the new left. I am starting to think that she is not the Clinton we all want her to be.

That is why I am also supporting Trump. If you look at the issues, Trump and Hillary are very similar on many points, and only disagree on a few big issues, like immigration. Another benefit of Trump is that by being a political outsider who has made being anti-establishment the cornerstone of his campaign, he is not indebted to the Republican Party. Moreover, the rise against the establishment politicians in this election basically spells doom for those stalwart politicians that refuse to compromise. In effect, Trump would be able to cut deals across the aisle without resistance from congress because they will all be too afraid of losing their seat if they refuse.

[Porpoise101]

In effect, Trump would be able to cut deals across the aisle without resistance from congress because they will all be too afraid of losing their seat if they refuse.
It depends. I'm sure that Trump will work with House Republicans because they will do it just to save their necks and get reelected. But how will Trump work with the Dems? We know how much they hate him. And we also know how vehemently the Republicans dislike Hillary. The Congressmen and Senators will not work with the other party because it is too risky to upset their constituents.

This is why the congressional race is now the most important. Now that the nominees are divisive and polarizing, that candidate had better hope to have a Congress flush with party members. Hillary needs more Democrats in and Trump needs to maintain Republican control.

[DriveAlive]

It depends. I'm sure that Trump will work with House Republicans because they will do it just to save their necks and get reelected. But how will Trump work with the Dems? We know how much they hate him. And we also know how vehemently the Republicans dislike Hillary. The Congressmen and Senators will not work with the other party because it is too risky to upset their constituents.

This is why the congressional race is now the most important. Now that the nominees are divisive and polarizing, that candidate had better hope to have a Congress flush with party members. Hillary needs more Democrats in and Trump needs to maintain Republican control.

Republicans will probably keep control. My guess is that the anger against the gridlock in Congress will lend to Dems being willing to work across the aisle in order to win some concessions from Repubicans, just as they did with Clinton.

[Moriya]

All I know is CNN and FoxNews won't stop talking about the damn emails. I mean, I don't support nor condone her actions but goddamn...

[thegreatgatz]

Clinton is better on issues of policy and I trust the institutions in-place to constrain her megalomania. I'm a cost-minimiser, too, and I expect the least-worst outcome to emerge from Clinton being president. She'll then hopefully be removed in 2020.

I also consider Nixon and (Bill) Clinton to be two of the greater presidents of the post-war era, just in case this post doesn't bother yous enough.

I disagree. It would be more strategically feasible for progressives, socialists, and disaffected voters to vote third party if Shillary becomes the nominee.

Firstly, a large base of disaffected voters demonstrates that a third party candidate has a pretty good chance, given the unprecedentedly large unfavorability of both Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump. Many analysts are predicting an extremely low voter turnout, amongst Republicans, but even more so amongst Democrats. In addition to this we see the large number of independents reeling in repulsion over their too establishment choices. Overall, the people are extremely disappointed with the system.

Consequently, these two absolute strecli candidates would make a path for the viability of a real progressive such as Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders. This is not a Ralph Nader situation where the establishment candidates have high favorability.

Thus, progressives and independents should not vote for Shillary and Drumpf. There is an actual chance of the movement gaining momentum and selecting a good candidate. Anyways, the risks of Trump strategically are lesser than the risk of Clinton. If Trump is elected, Republicans will lose congress, if Shill is elected, they'll control it for four to eight years.

[Flapjack]

I disagree. It would be more strategically feasible for progressives, socialists, and disaffected voters to vote third party if Shillary becomes the nominee.

Firstly, a large base of disaffected voters demonstrates that a third party candidate has a pretty good chance, given the unprecedentedly large unfavorability of both Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump. Many analysts are predicting an extremely low voter turnout, amongst Republicans, but even more so amongst Democrats. In addition to this we see the large number of independents reeling in repulsion over their too establishment choices. Overall, the people are extremely disappointed with the system.

Consequently, these two absolute strecli candidates would make a path for the viability of a real progressive such as Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders. This is not a Ralph Nader situation where the establishment candidates have high favorability.

Thus, progressives and independents should not vote for Shillary and Drumpf. There is an actual chance of the movement gaining momentum and selecting a good candidate. Anyways, the risks of Trump strategically are lesser than the risk of Clinton. If Trump is elected, Republicans will lose congress, if Shill is elected, they'll control it for four to eight years.
I see what you mean buddy but unfortunately the USA is a 2 party country so voting for anyone else would be a wasted vote.

[Porpoise101]

Anyways, the risks of Trump strategically are lesser than the risk of Clinton. If Trump is elected, Republicans will lose congress, if Shill is elected, they'll control it for four to eight years.
I guess it is like this: the party can only have Congress or Supreme Court

This is an interesting scenario, and not exactly in a good way.

[everlong]

I'm very uneducated on current politics, but from what I've heard, she's a terrible candidate and just a terrible person in general. I really need to research the candidates and actually see who I would want for president.

[DriveAlive]

I'm very uneducated on current politics, but from what I've heard, she's a terrible candidate and just a terrible person in general. I really need to research the candidates and actually see who I would want for president.
I think this is a completely wrong view of her spread by the right that has managed to stick.

[phuckphace]

http://i.imgur.com/waZvFCe.jpg

[Flapjack]

image (http://i.imgur.com/waZvFCe.jpg)

YES YES YES!!! I am loving this!!

[Vlerchan]

Hillary's track record is very bad in this regard, specifically on how she changed her views on gay marriage right as it became popular to do so.
Throughout her career Clinton has maintained the stances of a relatively right-wing Democrat. She's followed her base [N.B.] on some issues, which is to be expected.

I'd say Sanders and Trump have had a pretty decent track record with sticking to their beliefs throughout much of their lives.
Sanders, I agree, but that doesn't make his beliefs any more worthwhile than they currently are.

Trump, on the other hand, has flip-flopped on almost every issue of importance through this very campaign.

honestly think Hillary would change her views and even do things that are against the policies she ran on.
The U.S. has the most constrained executive in the world. If there's radical deviations outside of the public interest her own party will constrain her for their own sake.

I'm sure that Trump will work with House Republicans because they will do it just to save their necks and get reelected.
I wouldn't be so sure. Carter was abandoned by house democrats, and got nothing done as a result.

It doesn't - and never has - look good for public representatives to be having policy dictated to by the executive.

Consequently, these two absolute strecli candidates would make a path for the viability of a real progressive such as Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders
Perhaps if this wasn't decided by electoral college, there might be some chance. The fact is though that it would be the centre-left and left-wing candidate sharing certain states, and that would grant Trump victory.

Trump is also a much greater risk strategically. Tilting the balance of the Supreme Court in favour of one party or another could have ramifications that are still rumbling about a generation later.