Alberta Canada Wildfires

[kyrocks03]

Has anyone been following these? Scary as hell!

[sqishy]

I was since it first cropped up on the news, though I'm less in the know about it currently. Hopefully it'll go out through cooler and damper weather coming about, but I hear it'll be weeks at best so :\ .

[mattsmith48]

yeah with dry weather and all the oil and gaz it doesnt help. Whats scary is those kind of things are gonna ge more common with climate change, someone should do something about it

[Stronk Serb]

Well, didn't Trudeau refuse helo from the US or something?

[sqishy]

Well, didn't Trudeau refuse helo from the US or something?

Sure, blame the continued existence of the fire on politics and specifically 'leftists'.
This fire will go on for at least a few more weeks, regardless of what actions are taken within reason. As far as I know, the government is insisting on doing the job themselves, which is nothing to be ashamed of.

[Stronk Serb]

Sure, blame the continued existence of the fire on politics and specifically 'leftists'.
This fire will go on for at least a few more weeks, regardless of what actions are taken within reason. As far as I know, the government is insisting on doing the job themselves, which is nothing to be ashamed of.

Well, when someone offers you help, especially with problems like these, you should acceot it, nothing to be ashamed of. When Serbia had massive floods two years ago, we accepted help from the Bosnian entity of Republika Srpska, Russia and other countries. Sure, we could have it under control, but we accepted the help to minimize the damage. If there wasn't help, we woukd have to choose between leaving many people homeless, or having the chemical plant in Šabac spill, possibly contaminating river lines up to the Black Sea. This way we prevented many disasters. I dkn't care with ideological alignment, you must be stuoid to refuse help with a natural disaster hard to contain.

[sqishy]

Well, when someone offers you help, especially with problems like these, you should acceot it, nothing to be ashamed of. When Serbia had massive floods two years ago, we accepted help from the Bosnian entity of Republika Srpska, Russia and other countries. Sure, we could have it under control, but we accepted the help to minimize the damage. If there wasn't help, we woukd have to choose between leaving many people homeless, or having the chemical plant in Šabac spill, possibly contaminating river lines up to the Black Sea. This way we prevented many disasters. I dkn't care with ideological alignment, you must be stuoid to refuse help with a natural disaster hard to contain.

Yes, it makes more sense to get help when offered - I was assuming you were seeing it as being a political act. Whatever the motivations of Trudeau and Co, I'm not seeing his political orientation to be behind it.

[TheFlyer]

Yes, it makes more sense to get help when offered - I was assuming you were seeing it as being a political act. Whatever the motivations of Trudeau and Co, I'm not seeing his political orientation to be behind it.

I would have to disagree. I am an Albertan, and have somewhat of a better picture of things, having heard many stories of refugees who are taking refuge all across alberta, even in small towns, which is amazing. Anyways, I have relatives who are police officers, who brought supplies up there. The situation is disturbing. The government of alberta, and canada, are hiring private cleanup crews from the south, when the fire is still burning! They are throwing away supplies firefighters and police need. This is definetly because of political ideology. First, in the case of the NDP provincial government, they are very workers first unionist supporting party, but they would rather support the larger companies. They always do. So instead of accepting help from local Fort Macmurray workers, and companies near with equipment ready, she contracted the work to large companies from the south.

Now for Trudeau. I don't expect that you have paid much attention to canadian politics, not very many Canadians do anyway. But since the beginning he has approached this with a horrible non chalant attitude. He started his addressing of the nation with the "May the 4th be with you" joke, then showed support to Star Wars fans. Then he addressed the fire. Very professional Justin. Besides that, the reason he isn't accepting help is very much because of political ideology. Liberals always seem to act on the opposite of what conservatives want, not because they think they are right, but because they think the conservatives are wrong. The US, Russia, and others offered no strings attached support, but he said no, we are capable. We aren't. The firefighter up north are running on fumes, working 60 hours straight with a tiny amount of food. They aren't even taking advantage of canadian firefighters and bombers. Why? Because from the get go, the provincial Wildrose opposition and the federal conservative opposition party continually called for it. Neither Notley nor Trudeau has given proper consideration, they just deny. And this fire is still blazing. It is getting worse, camps are being evacuated. This is one of the worst cities that could be hit at this time, both for the economy and the people of the city. Canada, but Alberta specifically is facing an oil depression, and so many fort macmurray people have lost there jobs, and now have no homes. Yet it is treated like a minor incident.

Obviously Trudeau or Notley didn't start the fire, but they could do much more. And I think your reaction to Serbs post was a little too dramatic. He was asking a question, not blaming anyone, even if he does deserve to be fully blamed for not accepting help.

@StronkSerb it wasn't just a helo he denied, but assistance from multiple nations.

[sqishy]

I am an Albertan, and have somewhat of a better picture of things, having heard many stories of refugees who are taking refuge all across alberta, even in small towns, which is amazing.


Alright, I'm not seeing it as relevant but alright.




Anyways, I have relatives who are police officers, who brought supplies up there. The situation is disturbing. The government of alberta, and canada, are hiring private cleanup crews from the south, when the fire is still burning! They are throwing away supplies firefighters and police need. This is definetly because of political ideology. First, in the case of the NDP provincial government, they are very workers first unionist supporting party, but they would rather support the larger companies. They always do. So instead of accepting help from local Fort Macmurray workers, and companies near with equipment ready, she contracted the work to large companies from the south.


If this is the case, why would they do this apparently illogical move?



Now for Trudeau. I don't expect that you have paid much attention to canadian politics, not very many Canadians do anyway. But since the beginning he has approached this with a horrible non chalant attitude. He started his addressing of the nation with the "May the 4th be with you" joke, then showed support to Star Wars fans. Then he addressed the fire. Very professional Justin.


By no means do I automatically defend him or his government. The same view can be held for Obama with his trivial talk during serious situations (doing that phone selfie thing for example), or any other politician.


Besides that, the reason he isn't accepting help is very much because of political ideology. Liberals always seem to act on the opposite of what conservatives want, not because they think they are right, but because they think the conservatives are wrong. The US, Russia, and others offered no strings attached support, but he said no, we are capable. We aren't. The firefighter up north are running on fumes, working 60 hours straight with a tiny amount of food. They aren't even taking advantage of canadian firefighters and bombers. Why? Because from the get go, the provincial Wildrose opposition and the federal conservative opposition party continually called for it. Neither Notley nor Trudeau has given proper consideration, they just deny. And this fire is still blazing. It is getting worse, camps are being evacuated. This is one of the worst cities that could be hit at this time, both for the economy and the people of the city. Canada, but Alberta specifically is facing an oil depression, and so many fort macmurray people have lost there jobs, and now have no homes. Yet it is treated like a minor incident.


So you are saying that the govt is denying all the help only because the conservatives are asking for the help? Seems beyond reason to even label Trudeau with, even for his government.


Obviously Trudeau or Notley didn't start the fire, but they could do much more. And I think your reaction to Serbs post was a little too dramatic. He was asking a question, not blaming anyone, even if he does deserve to be fully blamed for not accepting help.


It wasn't dramatic, it was an assumption I had that he was seeing it as 'because of the leftist government going on'.

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I'm not interested in getting into potential politics about a large fire, so I've little else to say here.

[TheFlyer]

If this is the case, why would they do this apparently illogical move?

So you are saying that the govt is denying all the help only because the conservatives are asking for the help? Seems beyond reason to even label Trudeau with, even for his government.

YOU are being logical. Which is great. I wish that it was something even he couldn't be labeled with, but somehow, he managed to reach that level of stupidity. I'm sorry, I get very heated with regards to that man. He is a horrible leader.

On a lighter note, the fire is somewhat backing down from population, so that is good.

[Stronk Serb]

TheFlyer

Wow, at least I can say that some modern leaders are worse than our own PM. I heard some people say Justin Trudeau is worse than his father, is that true?

[sqishy]

YOU are being logical. Which is great. I wish that it was something even he couldn't be labeled with, but somehow, he managed to reach that level of stupidity. I'm sorry, I get very heated with regards to that man. He is a horrible leader.

On a lighter note, the fire is somewhat backing down from population, so that is good.

Perhaps settling this matter will be best through you saying what aspects of him make him a horrible leader, so I know your POV for future reference (not to mark you as an enemy for the sake of it, worry not).

[kyrocks03]

Wow ... this thread got political. Well being a non-Canadian living in Canada I will say that in my opinion, Trudeau is an idiot who can't speak in Public very good without a teleprompter. Ummm ahhh errrr ummmm cough ...

Anyway, it's bad there and I agree that there is stupid politics going on!

[mattsmith48]

Wow ... this thread got political. Well being a non-Canadian living in Canada I will say that in my opinion, Trudeau is an idiot who can't speak in Public very good without a teleprompter. Ummm ahhh errrr ummmm cough ...

Anyway, it's bad there and I agree that there is stupid politics going on!

Were getting weed, assisted-suicide is legal, hes taxing the rich, hes fixing some of the mistake of Harper, so far so good.

[kyrocks03]

Were getting weed, assisted-suicide is legal, hes taxing the rich, hes fixing some of the mistake of Harper, so far so good.

Keep smoking that weed ...

[mattsmith48]

Keep smoking that weed ...

I dont smoke weed