Kids don't know about history

[rioo]

This become viral now. Do you think they will go into jail ? It's military museum by the way. https://z-1-scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/cp0/e15/q65/p480x480/13138829_628693503961437_3198817943659275286_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=1538a4e625a3843a2f77fa2e0f1f212f&oe=57B0B280
https://z-1-scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13100924_628693587294762_8403767812883469275_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=54a237f28a083bad97667d8abae1015c&oe=57DE9FEE

[sqishy]

Where did this happen?

[rioo]

Where did this happen?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubang_Buaya

[sqishy]

So these people were sitting/standing on a memorial of the event?

[rioo]

So these people were sitting/standing on a memorial of the event?

Basically the statue of the army generals, and the rest of the soldiers would get upset to see children doing such.

[Sailor Mars]

...why.... How could anyone be so fucking stupid to do this smfh

[sqishy]

Basically the statue of the army generals, and the rest of the soldiers would get upset to see children doing such.

Quite foolish on their part then.

[Stronk Serb]

There is one thing about dissing on other countries, but dissing on your own country like this is plain retarded, more like a whole new level of retard.

[Judean Zealot]

Eh. It's nothing that a good whipping won't solve.

[dxcxdzv]

I don't see any real problem with doing that though. I myself am a disrespectful bastard towards a lot of things, doing a cute Seig Heil! in front of De Gaulle's statue.

The real problem is not to sit on monuments or whatsoever, what is important is to know and understand why it's here, what happened there.
Perhaps you know that I'm a fan of Nazi-style (wtf I'm saying, everybody knows that), on the other hand I'm not denying or reducing the gravity of what those crazy bastards did.
And now everybody looks weirdly at me
What I mean is that the fact that they did that doesn't necessarily mean they don't know or don't understand.
More, I'd really appreciate a society where there is no taboo regarding its history. 'Guess Europe's got a lot to do on that point.

[Falcons_11]

I like History. It's my favorite subject in school. I also read a lot of books about history and also biographies. My favorite is American history. I think that most kids my age think history is boring because they have to remember a lot of names, dates, and places, like when some battles were fought, etc. I think that most Social Studies teachers are to blame because they never explain why certain events happened and the results. That turns off most people and they forget history as soon as the class is over. You have to make history interesting in you want people to remember it. This is just my opinion and I'm sure there are others who have a different opinion.

[Porpoise101]

Its simple. People just don't have reverence for their institutions like they used to. We must at least teach them to be awed and inspired by their past so they will understand how to be respectful and kind in the present.

[Living For Love]

Here in Lisbon a tourist broke a 127-year-old statue near the train station while attempting to climb to the top of it to take a selfie. It wasn't his intention to destroy it, but he did it nevertheless. It's just kinda sad.

[Bull]

The lack of respect is appalling whenever and wherever it happens. It's not just the history it is lack of respect of public and private property. It is the lack of respect for humankind.

[Body odah Man]

Here in Lisbon a tourist broke a 127-year-old statue near the train station while attempting to climb to the top of it to take a selfie. It wasn't his intention to destroy it, but he did it nevertheless. It's just kinda sad.
See, this is why selfies are bad. That is really sad.

I like History. It's my favorite subject in school. I also read a lot of books about history and also biographies. My favorite is American history. I think that most kids my age think history is boring because they have to remember a lot of names, dates, and places, like when some battles were fought, etc. I think that most Social Studies teachers are to blame because they never explain why certain events happened and the results. That turns off most people and they forget history as soon as the class is over. You have to make history interesting in you want people to remember it. This is just my opinion and I'm sure there are others who have a different opinion.

I agree. History can be very interesting, if it is taught IN THE RIGHT WAY. If not, people hate it.

[Judean Zealot]

I like History. It's my favorite subject in school. I also read a lot of books about history and also biographies. My favorite is American history. I think that most kids my age think history is boring because they have to remember a lot of names, dates, and places, like when some battles were fought, etc. I think that most Social Studies teachers are to blame because they never explain why certain events happened and the results. That turns off most people and they forget history as soon as the class is over. You have to make history interesting in you want people to remember it. This is just my opinion and I'm sure there are others who have a different opinion.

The way I see it, this 'boring' stage is the necessary first step to properly learning history. One cannot have a proper understanding of an individual or event without being at once acquainted with his environment, influences, and parallel events during his lifetime. One must first catalogue all that information in one's brain, and only afterwards can one get to the 'meat' of history. Although I do agree that anecdotes, particularly of the sort which inspire children (such as Nathan Hale's last words, or even George Washington and the cherry tree - at that point accuracy matters much less then the general feel given), should be used in conjunction with the names and dates part.

[sqishy]

The way I see it, this 'boring' stage is the necessary first step to properly learning history. One cannot have a proper understanding of an individual or event without being at once acquainted with his environment, influences, and parallel events during his lifetime. One must first catalogue all that information in one's brain, and only afterwards can one get to the 'meat' of history. Although I do agree that anecdotes, particularly of the sort which inspire children (such as Nathan Hale's last words, or even George Washington and the cherry tree - at that point accuracy matters much less then the general feel given), should be used in conjunction with the names and dates part.

It helps massively and perhaps critically that the learning is more than just learning off words in a book, I can only agree.

[rioo]

There is one thing about dissing on other countries, but dissing on your own country like this is plain retarded, more like a whole new level of retard.

I don't see any real problem with doing that though. I myself am a disrespectful bastard towards a lot of things, doing a cute Seig Heil! in front of De Gaulle's statue.

The real problem is not to sit on monuments or whatsoever, what is important is to know and understand why it's here, what happened there.
Perhaps you know that I'm a fan of Nazi-style (wtf I'm saying, everybody knows that), on the other hand I'm not denying or reducing the gravity of what those crazy bastards did.
And now everybody looks weirdly at me
What I mean is that the fact that they did that doesn't necessarily mean they don't know or don't understand.
More, I'd really appreciate a society where there is no taboo regarding its history. 'Guess Europe's got a lot to do on that point.

Its simple. People just don't have reverence for their institutions like they used to. We must at least teach them to be awed and inspired by their past so they will understand how to be respectful and kind in the present.
For your information, all name generals statue there is already used as name of city street in any city or any big cities in the country. so yeah that's what make people sad, because all kids is supposed know it or at least already hear about the history. But they don't.

Here in Lisbon a tourist broke a 127-year-old statue near the train station while attempting to climb to the top of it to take a selfie. It wasn't his intention to destroy it, but he did it nevertheless. It's just kinda sad.

go into jail?

it's remind me hachiko statue near train in tokyo when I was there , can't believe if someone would destroy that little dog, all people will get upset. but all people really love it eventhough don't know the real story, including me haha

[Uniquemind]

It's like their little kids who want to climb everywhere that could serve as a playground.

Society isn't getting stupid, it's just not growing up and setting childish behavior aside.

One could argue children are coddled too much.

[Judean Zealot]

It's like their little kids who want to climb everywhere that could serve as a playground.

Society isn't getting stupid, it's just not growing up and setting childish behavior aside.

One could argue children are coddled too much.

The way I see it, childhood has been turned from "that useless larval stage of human development" to some sort of ideal. Hence we have society artificially prolonging childhood and delaying the appropriate assumption of adult responsibilities.

[sqishy]

The way I see it, childhood has been turned from "that useless larval stage of human development" to some sort of ideal. Hence we have society artificially prolonging childhood and delaying the appropriate assumption of adult responsibilities.

I'll try not to make this veer too off-topic. I'm wondering what you see as appropriate ages for assumption of adult responsibilities, and how much leeway is acceptable for this age range.


As a side note, I think and feel that being responsible for one's own actions is the definition of adulthood - yes, it's a bit fuzzy at the edges with what-ifs about needing help with certain aspects of life and that, but it's good enough for me.

[Stronk Serb]

I'll try not to make this veer too off-topic. I'm wondering what you see as appropriate ages for assumption of adult responsibilities, and how much leeway is acceptable for this age range.


As a side note, I think and feel that being responsible for one's own actions is the definition of adulthood - yes, it's a bit fuzzy at the edges with what-ifs about needing help with certain aspects of life and that, but it's good enough for me.

Here it's 25-30 years, when all academic studies are done and you find a job. In thia time you should be in a serious relationahip and plan for family. Unfortunately more and more people deviate from this, for example I wasn't planned. My mother decided to keep me, while dad was not really ready. I think he never was ready as a parent, even after fathering my half-siblings a decade later.

[Judean Zealot]

I'll try not to make this veer too off-topic. I'm wondering what you see as appropriate ages for assumption of adult responsibilities, and how much leeway is acceptable for this age range.


As a side note, I think and feel that being responsible for one's own actions is the definition of adulthood - yes, it's a bit fuzzy at the edges with what-ifs about needing help with certain aspects of life and that, but it's good enough for me.

Let's put it like this: in Rome it was 16. I don't say quite that young, but it brings out a point. I don't think it should be later than 18.

[sqishy]

Here it's 25-30 years, when all academic studies are done and you find a job. In thia time you should be in a serious relationahip and plan for family. Unfortunately more and more people deviate from this, for example I wasn't planned. My mother decided to keep me, while dad was not really ready. I think he never was ready as a parent, even after fathering my half-siblings a decade later.

What if you cannot find a serious relationship by this time? There is nothing which 'prevents' people from not finding someone to spend the rest of their life with, by 30. It's also not necessary that a family needs to be raised by or after this stage.

I understand that unplanned families happen, but I don't see it to be as a result of people not committing to a long-term relationship or a planned family.


Let's put it like this: in Rome it was 16. I don't say quite that young, but it brings out a point. I don't think it should be later than 18.

So 17-18 would be the age people should act as adults for you. Should/would this be reflected in law or in some other way, if you had control of a state?

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This is me going off-topic here, so I can continue it on a new thread on relationships and family, if you want to.

[Judean Zealot]

So 17-18 would be the age people should act as adults for you. Should/would this be reflected in law or in some other way, if you had control of a state?

It's more of a social flaw than anything else. Ideally, if people were taught to love duty, they would naturally train their children to do the same. I suppose the only changes would be to the educational system and syllabus.

[sqishy]

It's more of a social flaw than anything else. Ideally, if people were taught to love duty, they would naturally train their children to do the same. I suppose the only changes would be to the educational system and syllabus.

Alright.

[Uniquemind]

It's more of a social flaw than anything else. Ideally, if people were taught to love duty, they would naturally train their children to do the same. I suppose the only changes would be to the educational system and syllabus.

The problem is, and I think this is mainly due to individualistic rather than collectivistic thought in the west, that a sense of community and therefore duty is fraying.

I think the educational system needs revamped measurement tools for success and failure, mixed in with positive intermittent reinforcement, and a sense of establishing stability and role models especially those from broken homes.

I think I've had enough of the black or white, reward OR punishment style of education, and I think that's what we've been operating on in the USA, because historically business and country infrastructure didn't care if only a minority were brains. They needed farmhands and laborers, and maybe a manager of something with only mid-quality education.

Now a job to put you in the middle class is so technical, the priorities need to change.


Kids do a lot of costly damage to cities when they roam, graffiti, waste of toilet paper, messes after a party, etc.

The first thing to do is to educate people about consequences of their actions, and make it personal, tell the truth about what the world wants and how advertisers help companies exploit them and make it personal, make them see it's important to see consequences and that by leading by example they're really challenging the adult system that is authoritarian over them and will have just cause to change it eventually.

[Judean Zealot]

Uniquemind

In addition, you must not forget the primary interest government ought to have in education - the production of citizens.

[Flapjack]

This become viral now. Do you think they will go into jail ? It's military museum by the way.

What he done was disrespectful and if it was in a museum, security have a right to ask him to get down. However the statue is in public, I think it's okay for him to sit on the statue for a photo. In any situation he should not go to jail,

[sqishy]

Kids do a lot of costly damage to cities when they roam, graffiti, waste of toilet paper, messes after a party, etc.

If you mean roaming by jumping over fences and the like (within the law), most stuff even to the level of parkour doesn't necessarily cause damage to public property if those doing it are conscientious enough. If they aren't to a significant scale, then it'd be on the news and we'd have much longer youtube video fail compilations than we currently do.

Tbh I don't think toilet paper consumption in the younger generation is at a level which is a problem, only littering of it and such would be.

If it were a significant economic dent on an urban region, I'm confident relevant authorities would get involved with at least public awareness acts, etc.

That said things could go cleaner of course, yes.


The first thing to do is to educate people about consequences of their actions, and make it personal, tell the truth about what the world wants and how advertisers help companies exploit them and make it personal, make them see it's important to see consequences and that by leading by example they're really challenging the adult system that is authoritarian over them and will have just cause to change it eventually.

Allowing people to realise a reasonable sense of responsibility over time is a good way to go, yes. I'm with you here, but the problem is that (as you said before) capitalist and industrial aspects of the working society wouldn't like this as it gets in the way of their efficiency and having people be a workforce for their plans, whatever the degree of intent and/or malevolence (or the absence of) in these 'higher-up' people.

[Uniquemind]

If you mean roaming by jumping over fences and the like (within the law), most stuff even to the level of parkour doesn't necessarily cause damage to public property if those doing it are conscientious enough. If they aren't to a significant scale, then it'd be on the news and we'd have much longer youtube video fail compilations than we currently do.

Tbh I don't think toilet paper consumption in the younger generation is at a level which is a problem, only littering of it and such would be.

If it were a significant economic dent on an urban region, I'm confident relevant authorities would get involved with at least public awareness acts, etc.

That said things could go cleaner of course, yes.



Allowing people to realise a reasonable sense of responsibility over time is a good way to go, yes. I'm with you here, but the problem is that (as you said before) capitalist and industrial aspects of the working society wouldn't like this as it gets in the way of their efficiency and having people be a workforce for their plans, whatever the degree of intent and/or malevolence (or the absence of) in these 'higher-up' people.

But here's where that last point you made isn't true.

Lower unskilled labor are being replaced by automation (software, rudimentary AI, self-checkout machines at retail, hamburger making machines).

Basically the future is incentivizing the owners of businesses to survive without re-establishing a contract with the labor force that is traditionally uneducated.

So no, there's a case to be made that it's not affecting efficiency for those at the top at all.


Sure there will be a demand for making of the machines and maintenance of them but once the demand for those machines are over, owners won't necessarily keep demand up for the latest and greatest machine, they make one purchase the machine works and that lasts them for years.

So demand for robotics workers drop after an initial spike in demand in theory.

[sqishy]

But here's where that last point you made isn't true.

Lower unskilled labor are being replaced by automation (software, rudimentary AI, self-checkout machines at retail, hamburger making machines).

Basically the future is incentivizing the owners of businesses to survive without re-establishing a contract with the labor force that is traditionally uneducated.

So no, there's a case to be made that it's not affecting efficiency for those at the top at all.


Sure there will be a demand for making of the machines and maintenance of them but once the demand for those machines are over, owners won't necessarily keep demand up for the latest and greatest machine, they make one purchase the machine works and that lasts them for years.

So demand for robotics workers drop after an initial spike in demand in theory.

What you're talking about is still within the range that the large-scale economic realm is good with. As long as new ideas come in that also help keep the system going well and even better, there's no problem.

Another issue is that you can be educated, but within a frame. I can know all I want about science, but it does not necessarily make me do something new and/or go outside previous views.