New US Currency

[Porpoise101]

In the US, following national polls, the Treasury has revealed the new money that will flow throughout the nation. They are changing the $5, $10, and $20 bills to feature abolitionists, suffragettes, and civil rights leaders. Originally the $10 center portrait will Alexander Hamilton would have been replaced, but they are replacing the $20 portrait instead. Now Harriet Tubman, the famous liberator of slaves, will grace the $20 bill instead of Andrew Jackson. The other bills will not have the portraits changed, but the backs will be changed.
Here is the official web site: https://modernmoney.treasury.gov/

Personally, I think it's pretty ok. On the back of the $5 I think it would have been nice to put another civil rights activist instead of Eleanor, but that is nitpicky. It's also nice they kept Hamilton.

[Sailor Mars]

I think it's pretty neat. Paying for a lap dance however will never be the same.

[Vlerchan]

"... abolitionists, suffragettes, and civil rights leaders ..."

Who else is just waiting for phuckphace to comment?

[lliam]

Who else is just waiting for phuckphace to comment?


http://picload.org/image/rgdrlodr/100-phuckollars.jpg

[Judean Zealot]

Just another sign of the utter domination of the national discourse by identity politicians.

[Kevgpdx]

I think it's awesome! Harriet Tubman is a freedom fighter!!

[phuckphace]

and here I was looking forward to snorting lines out of a rolled-up hundred bearing the likeness of St. Skittles von Arizona, Trayvon. this is a travesty

image (http://picload.org/image/rgdrlodr/100-phuckollars.jpg)

fucking LOL

[Stronk Serb]

Why does this scream of political correctness and minority appeasement?

[Porpoise101]

Just another sign of the utter domination of the national discourse by identity politicians.
It wasn't highly publicized by the media like most identity issues. The Treasury has to print new bills, so they decided to add a change to the money. They sent out polls and people voted for whatever they wanted to be on the front of the bill. So it wasn't really politicians pandering, but people pandering to themselves if that makes sense.

[Kahn]

Just another sign of the utter domination of the national discourse by identity politicians.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Why does this scream of political correctness and minority appeasement?

My initial feeling as well.

It wasn't highly publicized by the media like most identity issues. The Treasury has to print new bills, so they decided to add a change to the money. They sent out polls and people voted for whatever they wanted to be on the front of the bill. So it wasn't really politicians pandering, but people pandering to themselves if that makes sense.

Though this is a good point, as well.

I'm glad they kept Hamilton's and Lincoln's likeness on the front of $10 and $5 bills. I think it's slightly ironic that Jackson and Tubman- two individuals on opposite ends of the civil rights spectrum- grace the same note.

I'm curious, did anyone here of voting age vote on who would be featured on the new currency? I didn't even know about this until reading this thread, yesterday. I'd have loved to vote on this sort of thing. Had I been provided the opportunity to vote I'd have voted for James Madison, John Adams, General Sherman, General Patton, JFK, or others of that ilk.

I wonder how the process works. Were voters provided with individuals to vote from or was it write in?

[StoppingTom]

How dare they replace the (front) of the $20 bill from an asshole who approved of the Indian Removal Act and disregarded the powers of the rest of the government, to someone who helped thousands of people escape slavery?! PC Police, this is why I need Meninism, tfw no gf!!

Also, it sucks that racism is so alive where I live that when this was announced, people in my school were posting that "we should hang all ((black people)) from the lights at Citi Field" :I

[Kahn]

How dare they replace the (front) of the $20 bill from an asshole who approved of the Indian Removal Act and disregarded the powers of the rest of the government, to someone who helped thousands of people escape slavery?!

Yeah but Old Hickory BUSTED THOSE BANKS, SON.

https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/sites/core/files/images/AJ~bank.JPG
Also, it sucks that racism is so alive where I live that when this was announced, people in my school were posting that "we should hang all ((black people)) from the lights at Citi Field" :I

I'm not excusing their behavior by any means, but people make gruesome and petty japes all the time, kids especially. Whoever said it was likely taking advantage of the opportunity for attention and a couple of cheap laughs for the buffoons who find humor in such filth. I wouldn't chock this one up to racism, just pure stupidity.

[StoppingTom]

Yeah but Old Hickory BUSTED THOSE BANKS, SON.

image (https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/sites/core/files/images/AJ~bank.JPG)


I'm not excusing their behavior by any means, but people make gruesome and petty japes all the time, kids especially. Whoever said it was likely taking advantage of the opportunity for attention and a couple of cheap laughs for the buffoons who find humor in such filth. I wouldn't chock this one up to racism, just pure stupidity.

Kids are stupid yeah, but statistically, I live in one of, if not the most, racially segregated county in New York State, and it's a pretty poorly kept secret that people intimidate young black people from moving into their neighborhoods, and violent hate crimes, that kind of stuff.

On topic, why would you even want a bank-buster on your currency, unless it was a snide backhanded compliment kind of thing? I think people on our currency should be people we look up to, not the crazy-ass King Jackson.

[Kahn]

Kids are stupid yeah, but statistically, I live in one of, if not the most, racially segregated county in New York State, and it's a pretty poorly kept secret that people intimidate young black people from moving into their neighborhoods, and violent hate crimes, that kind of stuff.

Source for these statistics? Or do you mean to say anecdotally?

I used to live in (various parts of) New York as well and never did I live in a community where racism was prominent to such an extent. From Buffalo to the innawoods villages of central/upstate New York, people of all races made petty and gruesome jokes about each other.

Not saying you're wrong but I'm curious as to what county/community you live in where this backwards behavior is socially acceptable, and I'm interested in reading the figures that back up what you say.

On topic, why would you even want a bank-buster on your currency, unless it was a snide backhanded compliment kind of thing? I think people on our currency should be people we look up to, not the crazy-ass King Jackson.

I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't have a central bank, as we do currently, so I actually agree with his dissolving of the the Bank of the United States back in 1833.

He didn't try to be a king, either. When he was voted out of office he didn't try to seize absolute control over the government and remain "King of America" until the end of his days. He made some controversial decisions (in hindsight) but all constitutional, and within his power, and at the time he didn't get much (if any) resistance from the rest of the country.

I won't argue with his craziness. Dude was a nut, but an effective nut.

[StoppingTom]

Source for these statistics? Or do you mean to say anecdotally?

I used to live in (various parts of) New York as well and never did I live in a community where racism was prominent to such an extent. From Buffalo to the innawoods villages of central/upstate New York, people of all races made petty and gruesome jokes about each other.

Not saying you're wrong but I'm curious as to what county/community you live in where this backwards behavior is socially acceptable

I speak mostly from experience with people my age, and older people, as well as anecdotes and stories I hear from others. Not to give away where I live, because it's fairly small, but I'll say it's on Long Island, and old money and gated community white gentry runs deep here. I'm of the belief kids are learning it from their parents, who learned it from theirs, and just don't care to think about if it's right because MONEY.

[Kahn]

I speak mostly from experience with people my age, and older people, as well as anecdotes and stories I hear from others. Not to give away where I live, because it's fairly small, but I'll say it's on Long Island, and old money and gated community white gentry runs deep here. I'm of the belief kids are learning it from their parents, who learned it from theirs, and just don't care to think about if it's right because MONEY.

So anecdotally rather than statistically, indeed.

Fair enough. If they were truly serious, I do agree with you, that their comments were sad and unacceptable. Imagine their disgust if they heard a group of blacks saying they should string up a bunch of white people at MetLife because Lincoln and Hamilton retained their portraits on the $10 bill and $5 bill. Hypocritical.

Even if they were joking, though, it is only slightly more understandable (cheap laughs/attention whoring) than if their comments were serious. I personally find that humor distasteful and petty, and try to ignore it best I can.

Race politics will always be touchy. I try to avoid them at all costs.

[kev1998]

Call me weird but as long as i can spend the money, I really don't care whose pic is on it. Being from East Tennessee, I would like to see Jackson's pic stay on the 20 because I live only minutes from his home town but that is really the only reason.

[Porpoise101]

The only good thing about Jackson is that he was proof that a man of poor background could succeed. In my view, everything else he did was terrible. He broke the bank. This resulted in the money panics that plagued the nation until Wilson. He was even mediocre at exterminating the indigenous people. Lol back then you would just have to sneeze on them and they would keel over. But he ended up getting bogged down against the Seminoles and failed at that.

[Falcons_11]

I'm waiting for the "good ole USA" to feature the portrait of Alfred E. Newman on the dollar bill.

[sqishy]

Something new like this can only be welcomed

(A thread on something relatively trivial! (but not pointless of course))

[Porpoise101]

I wonder how the process works. Were voters provided with individuals to vote from or was it write in?
Ok so I did some digging around and here's how the new design was put into place:
1. Feminist group WomenOn20s hosts poll in 2015. People nominate and then vote for women. Tubman wins the polls. They then successfully petition the Treasury getting over 600,000 signatures. So your ideas would have all been disqualified at this point, especially the lecher you hold in high regard.

2. Since no one really is exceptionally passionate for Andrew Jackson, they go ahead with plan to print new bills. I should note that the Treasury has to print new bills anyway. The Treasury opens up public comment.

3. They initially decided to remove Hamilton on the $10 bill, but a second group and the original group lobby against that idea.

4. The Treasury unveils the current state of affairs.

And this, folks, is just the process to change something non-politicised in this country. It's somewhat disheartening that it's so slow and bogged down, but it's better than alternatives I suppose.

[DriveAlive]

Andrew Jackson was the President of the United States. All Harriet Tubman did was break the law.

In all seriousness, I am pretty pissed about this. It is just another way for liberal PC fanatics to feel great about themselves, while doing nothing to stop the terrible inequality and poverty in the country. Another example of feelgoodism at its finest.

[Kahn]

Ok so I did some digging around and here's how the new design was put into place:
1. Feminist group WomenOn20s hosts poll in 2015. People nominate and then vote for women. Tubman wins the polls. They then successfully petition the Treasury getting over 600,000 signatures.

2. Since no one really is exceptionally passionate for Andrew Jackson, they go ahead with plan to print new bills. I should note that the Treasury has to print new bills anyway. The Treasury opens up public comment.

3. They initially decided to remove Hamilton on the $10 bill, but a second group and the original group lobby against that idea.

4. The Treasury unveils the current state of affairs.

And this, folks, is just the process to change something non-politicised in this country. It's somewhat disheartening that it's so slow and bogged down, but it's better than alternatives I suppose.

Very interesting. Thank you for this.

So your ideas would have all been disqualified at this point,

You say this as though I had knowledge of the process, when I very clearly had zero knowledge of the process.

Funny, all of my candidates were disqualified by virtue of being men.

I'd still have voted for any of the men I listed in my original post were I able to.

especially the lecher you hold in high regard.

I wouldn't say I "hold him in high regard." All I did was defend the constitutionality/legality of his actions (not the morality,, I don't agree with his treatment of the natives) and say I agree with the dissolution of the central bank.

That "lecher" sacrificed much and more of himself for this country, keyboard warrior.

I should add I don't really care who's face graces the $20 bill.

[Porpoise101]

You say this as though I had knowledge of the process, when I very clearly had zero knowledge of the process.

I wouldn't say I "hold him in high regard."
That "lecher" sacrificed much and more of himself for this country, keyboard warrior.

I should add I don't really care who's face graces the $20 bill.
Ok so first let me clarify. I knew that you didn't know the process. That's why I explained it. I was just noting that your choices would have been DQ'd (unless you were to start a campaign of your own-go for it!).

By the lecher I was referring to Kennedy since you put him in your list. The only thing he did for the country was serve in WW2. Oh yeah, he almost started WW3. Otherwise, I think of him as the man who took advantage of his wife and his vice president's competence.

As for the $20 bill, as long as the person is a decent enough patriot, I think anyone can fit.

[lyhom]

honestly I don't really care that much?

like I don't see the need in changing it at all but frankly I'd be more concerned with how much this is going to cost before who should be on there or not

[Porpoise101]

honestly I don't really care that much?

like I don't see the need in changing it at all but frankly I'd be more concerned with how much this is going to cost before who should be on there or not
It won't cost extra. They were going to release new money anyways. The bills were going to be completely redesigned anyways. You are right though, it's not a big deal.

[Kahn]

(unless you were to start a campaign of your own-go for it!).

I have a funny feeling a nationalistic campaign to replace Tubman's likeness with a man or woman of more political prominence wouldn't garner much support. Identity/social politics are the focus of national discourse. It'd either be ignored, or worse, shunned, because it isn't "tolerant" enough.

By the lecher I was referring to Kennedy since you put him in your list. The only thing he did for the country was serve in WW2. Oh yeah, he almost started WW3. Otherwise, I think of him as the man who took advantage of his wife and his vice president's competence

I was assuming you were speaking of Jackson, based on your distaste for him conveyed through your post on page 1 of this thread. My mistake.

I can agree with some of those sentiments (mistreatment of his wife mainly). Though, isn't he credited as having prevented World War 3 thanks to his actions amidst the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Can you tell me how he leaned on the "competency" of LBJ? How is JFK more of a lecher than the man who actually escalated the Vietnam War after the controversial Gulf of Tonkin incidents?

As for the $20 bill, as long as the person is a decent enough patriot, I think anyone can fit.

This we can agree on.

[Vlerchan]

This is from 2015

Businessman Donald Trump said he’d put his daughter, Ivanka, on the bill — or Rosa Parks — and neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson said he’d choose his mother.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/gop-women-10-dollar-bill_us_55fa33b4e4b00310edf5c22a

The understanding I have of Jackson was that he was more-or-less Sanders with slaves and combat experience.

[lliam]

I suggest, if Donald Trump promises to withdraw his pres-candidacy, in return he could be set on the 100-$-bill.

[phuckphace]

come this November we can look forward to seeing the God-Emperor's portrait on the newly-issued, debt-free Reichsmark. on the reverse side will be romantic-type scenes showing the GOPe dangling from gallows built into the Great Wall while the people celebrate with fireworks ("Trials at the Southern Marches"). it's gonna be yuge.

[thatcountrykid]

Why does this scream of political correctness and minority appeasement?

Preach! This is BS.

[Professional Russian]

I vote we put George Bush on the hundred. GW FOR A THIRD TERM. That is all

[Impressionist1910]

Why does this scream of political correctness and minority appeasement?

My thoughts exactly...
Why are we fixing something that is not broken?

[everlong]

Whatever, as long as I can still spend it.

[phuckphace]

http://i.imgur.com/rm6rJ1f.jpg

[Xiao.Z]

Why care who face for currency? Almost no one use paper note any more.

[Porpoise101]

Why care who face for currency? Almost no one use paper note any more.
This is true. In many places, even kids use debit cards. But currency is symbolic of a country. It's like a flag in that way.

[Xiao.Z]

This is true. In many places, even kids use debit cards. But currency is symbolic of a country. It's like a flag in that way.

If currency symbol of country why Andrew Jackson picture on currency? Jackson own slave and attempt genocide for America native. Why USA want such on currency? Is Jackson symbol America cherish?

[Porpoise101]

If currency symbol of country why Andrew Jackson picture on currency? Jackson own slave and attempt genocide for America native. Why USA want such on currency? Is Jackson symbol America cherish?
Jackson is being removed from the money because its been decided that he doesn't follow our values. Some people do cherish him because he stood up for the poor against the rich. Nowadays, looking back at him, people have realised that he is a bad person to represent the country. This is why he is being replaced by woman who freed slaves and brought opportunity to many.

[Stronk Serb]

Jackson is being removed from the money because its been decided that he doesn't follow our values. Some people do cherish him because he stood up for the poor against the rich. Nowadays, looking back at him, people have realised that he is a bad person to represent the country. This is why he is being replaced by woman who freed slaves and brought opportunity to many.

This is if you put it that way, but if you put it in the historical way, Jackson was a president, a war veteran and fought the banks. Harriet Tubman broke state laws. If the political correctness cucks would get such a boner to have someone black on the bill, at least put Martin Luther King.

[Vlerchan]

Just on the note that Jackson fought the banks did this not entail him bringing about their complete deregulation [and usher in the era of free banking]: Or am I misunderstanding.

[Body odah Man]

In the US, following national polls, the Treasury has revealed the new money that will flow throughout the nation. They are changing the $5, $10, and $20 bills to feature abolitionists, suffragettes, and civil rights leaders. Originally the $10 center portrait will Alexander Hamilton would have been replaced, but they are replacing the $20 portrait instead. Now Harriet Tubman, the famous liberator of slaves, will grace the $20 bill instead of Andrew Jackson. The other bills will not have the portraits changed, but the backs will be changed.
Here is the official web site: https://modernmoney.treasury.gov/

Personally, I think it's pretty ok. On the back of the $5 I think it would have been nice to put another civil rights activist instead of Eleanor, but that is nitpicky. It's also nice they kept Hamilton.

My middle school sweetheart is super excited about this, so I'm ok about it. She's cute when she's happy

[Xiao.Z]

I not understand argument Jackson president. Benjamin Franklin not president and he broke laws at France when he engage espionage. So he break law for better country and Harriet Tubman break law to better country.

[Babs]

I don't see why people think it's a big deal. Like... I understand why people might think it's just minority appeasement etc., I don't necessarily agree, but whatever. I don't see why it matters one way or the other. dollars is dollars.

[Uniquemind]

I don't care either way. All money is fiat money...

[Kahn]

Jackson is being removed from the money

He's still on the note. His likeness has just been moved to the back.

because its been decided that he doesn't follow our values.

Oh? Barring the harsh and hasty removal of the five civilized tribes and his lack of action on the issue of slavery (similar to many people's dormant position in regards to that institution, at the time- Washington, Hamilton, and Franklin's included) what values of his conflict with "ours?" so much so that he shouldn't represent The United States?

To take a line from Vlerchan, if we're going to judge people-past then we should judge them to the standards of the peers. Not on a standard that emerged in the last number of decades.

What are "our" values?

Some people do cherish him because he stood up for the poor against the rich.

http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/sanders-smile-finger-701x421.jpg

Nowadays, looking back at him, people have realised that he is a bad person to represent the country.

You speak as though the entirety of the nation has come to this conclusion when really, this is just your take/a minorities take on the situation. The vast majority of individuals don't give a fuck who is on the note, myself included. As Satan so eloquently put, "dollars is dollars."

Some people do care about the character of the face representing the currency. Of these people, some would like to retain Jackson for whatever reasons they may have. Others think that the change to Tubman on the front of the bill is necessary, for whatever reason they may have.

This is why he is being replaced by woman who freed slaves and brought opportunity to many.

Did Jackson do nothing for the American people?

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Still waiting for you to answer a couple of other questions from my last post as well.

You said JFK almost caused World War 3, one of your reasons for dubbing him a "lecher." Isn't he credited as having prevented World War 3 thanks to his actions amidst the Cuban Missile Crisis? How did he almost cause World War 3, as you were saying?

Can you tell me how he leaned on the "competency" of LBJ?

How is JFK more of a lecher than LBJ, the man who actually escalated a war (Vietnam) after the controversial Gulf of Tonkin incidents? Or, alternatively, how is JFK more of a lecher than LBJ, the man who supposedly stated “I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

I'm simply trying to understand your disdain for a President who is lauded as one of the most influential to ever take office, despite how short a term he served.

[Vlerchan]

All money is fiat money...
http://grrrgraphics.com/data/images1/exorcist_cartoon_rgb.jpg

To take a line from @Vlerchan, if we're going to judge people-past then we should judge them to the standards of the peers. Not on a standard that emerged in the last number of decades.
For clarifications sake, this was about discussing figures in their historical context.

I'd raise questions about whether it's a valid approach to choosing a symbol of the modern nation, as this is.

In such a case, what I supplied in that earlier post probably isn't.

[ethan-s]

why not just make new bills to honor the people even more? like a 25, 30, 15$ or something.

[PinkFloyd]

why not just make new bills to honor the people even more? like a 25, 30, 15$ or something.

It wouldn't work very well. People are used to paying for higher priced things in mostly 20 bills, sometimes, 50 bills, and if it's big enough, 100 bills. Can you imagine being billed $200 and paying with 7 seven 30 bills and needing 10 dollars in change, but not being able to get it because the smallest bill is $15?

[Kahn]

For clarifications sake, this was about discussing figures in their historical context.

I'd raise questions about whether it's a valid approach to choosing a symbol of the modern nation, as this is.

In such a case, what I supplied in that earlier post probably isn't.

I agree with you in part. Obviously in choosing an individual to represent the nation, the nation should choose someone who more closely represents their present interests and values (I really don't like speaking so broadly). But if that's truly the reason he's being moved to the back of the bill we might as well get rid of Franklin, Hamilton, and Washington, too. At this point they hardly represent our current "values," or whatever conglomeration of merits one would like to attribute to our nation as a whole.

The reason I quoted you there is because Porpoise101 keeps going on about how "bad" Jackson was. In hindsight, and in reality, the man was no better or worse than the majority of leaders of the era. He owned slaves for a time, as did many other great American men praised for their contributions to our society. He took action to remove the five tribes involved in the terrible Trail of Tears fiasco (and as I've said before the majority of the public at the time agreed with this measure, and it was even upheld by the Supreme Court). And that's about as malicious as he gets in consideration of "our" present values. He's judging the man and his actions not on the standards and expectations of his peers, but on those that emerged in the last number of decades.

[Vlerchan]

But if that's truly the reason he's being moved to the back of the bill we might as well get rid of Franklin, Hamilton, and Washington, too.
There was an campaign to maintain Hamilton's position, same as there was to put a woman on one of the bills. For reasons I imagine relate to the founding of the state, those will always remain.

And that's about as malicious as he gets in consideration of "our" present values.
I honestly don't know enough about Jackson - or his historical context - to comment here.

[Kahn]

For reasons I imagine relate to the founding of the state, those will always remain.

Good point. I hope you're correct.

I honestly don't know enough about Jackson - or his historical context - to comment here.

Fair enough. I had an affinity for Jackson in my high school years, and worked on a couple of projects/reports concerning him, which is why I'm so opposed to Porpoise's adamance that he's a villain.

[Vlerchan]

I had an affinity for Jackson in my high school years [...]
What do feel his greatest achievements as president were?

Do you agree, with what seems to me at first sight as, his unwavering support for (very) hard money and agrarianism.

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In pretty sharp contrast, I use to write about Stalin whenever I got a chance to in High School.

In our History finals (government exams in final year, for placing into college) I manipulated a question so I could write a thorough defence of his rule.

[Uniquemind]

why not just make new bills to honor the people even more? like a 25, 30, 15$ or something.

Because a very low percentage of Americans can do math, and it would cause headaches at retail locations costing the economy in revenue due to arguments over what was paid and what is due in change.

[SethfromMI]

I highly doubt they would ever take Lincoln off of the 5.

Jackson, while a war hero for America during the War of 1812, did monstrous things to the Native Americans, I am not surprised he was the one they chose to replace

[Porpoise101]

I agree with you in part. Obviously in choosing an individual to represent the nation, the nation should choose someone who more closely represents their present interests and values (I really don't like speaking so broadly). But if that's truly the reason he's being moved to the back of the bill we might as well get rid of Franklin, Hamilton, and Washington, too. At this point they hardly represent our current "values," or whatever conglomeration of merits one would like to attribute to our nation as a whole.

The reason I quoted you there is because Porpoise101 keeps going on about how "bad" Jackson was. In hindsight, and in reality, the man was no better or worse than the majority of leaders of the era. He owned slaves for a time, as did many other great American men praised for their contributions to our society. He took action to remove the five tribes involved in the terrible Trail of Tears fiasco (and as I've said before the majority of the public at the time agreed with this measure, and it was even upheld by the Supreme Court). And that's about as malicious as he gets in consideration of "our" present values. He's judging the man and his actions not on the standards and expectations of his peers, but on those that emerged in the last number of decades.
I had a big response, but it auto logged me out and I lost it. :(

Anyways, I don't like Jackson because he was rowdy, jingoistic, and cruel even for his time. He was a 'duelist' (more like a murderer) and he slaughtered fellow Christians. The man claimed to be for the common man, but was a sell out to the mining companies who wanted to take the gold in Cherokee country. Not only was he rude, cruel, and inept, he was not very qualified (read: educated).

As for JFK, I don't like him because he was an adulterer and he weaponised the world. He was an aggressive 'container' and spread nukes around the world. He's partially the reason we have military bases in Turkey and other such places. If he didn't pressure the USSR, the Cuban Missile Crisis probably wouldn't have happened. He had good domestic ideas though. Unfortunately for Kennedy, he was bad with Congressmen and Senators. So LBJ is the man who got them to pass the minimum wage hike, the Space appropriation bills, and labor bills. It was LBJ who pressured JFK to go all :metal: with the Southern Democrats and start passing Civil Rights Bills. LBJ more or less just continued JFK's legacy and got more done. There's no reason to suspect he even said that racist statement either. In fact, if it wasn't for LBJ, I wouldn't exist. His wife was an early proponent of environmentalism and city beautification too, which is a plus. Only bad thing he did was follow up with the Vietnamese, which was started by JFK anyways.

JFK had a whole host of people helping him along. RFK was a great cabinet member and Ted was a good ally in the Senate. Jacqueline and the kids helped with the PR too.

[Uniquemind]

I had a big response, but it auto logged me out and I lost it. :(

Anyways, I don't like Jackson because he was rowdy, jingoistic, and cruel even for his time. He was a 'duelist' (more like a murderer) and he slaughtered fellow Christians. The man claimed to be for the common man, but was a sell out to the mining companies who wanted to take the gold in Cherokee country. Not only was he rude, cruel, and inept, he was not very qualified (read: educated).

As for JFK, I don't like him because he was an adulterer and he weaponised the world. He was an aggressive 'container' and spread nukes around the world. He's partially the reason we have military bases in Turkey and other such places. If he didn't pressure the USSR, the Cuban Missile Crisis probably wouldn't have happened. He had good domestic ideas though. Unfortunately for Kennedy, he was bad with Congressmen and Senators. So LBJ is the man who got them to pass the minimum wage hike, the Space appropriation bills, and labor bills. It was LBJ who pressured JFK to go all :metal: with the Southern Democrats and start passing Civil Rights Bills. LBJ more or less just continued JFK's legacy and got more done. There's no reason to suspect he even said that racist statement either. In fact, if it wasn't for LBJ, I wouldn't exist. His wife was an early proponent of environmentalism and city beautification too, which is a plus. Only bad thing he did was follow up with the Vietnamese, which was started by JFK anyways.

JFK had a whole host of people helping him along. RFK was a great cabinet member and Ted was a good ally in the Senate. Jacqueline and the kids helped with the PR too.

You have to understand though that terrible evils are required in this world. What must be done, must be done, and one could say game theory is partly responsible due to flaws in human psychology and a fragile ego.

The Cold War was about posturing as much as it was about territorial rights over access to resources, natural and monetary.

The ego is the biggest glutton for validation the human creation has. It sucks.


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I think bitcoin is the way of the future though. It's a little ahead of it's time though.

[Vlerchan]

I think bitcoin is the way of the future though.
I feel I know in advance what the exact reason is: but I still want to ask - Why?

[phuckphace]

Bitcoin is good for buying poppy straw and benzos from the Ukraine. I'm not sure why anybody in their right mind would want it as a standard, gov't-backed currency. especially after the MtGox fuckup conclusively proved that blockchain currency is inherently insecure and vulnerable to theft, prone to volatility, etc.

or in other words, lolbertarians want their currency like they want their society. literally Mad Max bucks.

[Porpoise101]

While I doubt bitcoin will take hold, I'm certain that the usage of physical currency is going to disappear within our time. Already in places like Sweden, even kids use plastic to pay for their candies.

[Stronk Serb]

While I doubt bitcoin will take hold, I'm certain that the usage of physical currency is going to disappear within our time. Already in places like Sweden, even kids use plastic to pay for their candies.

People use it more to evade the Swedish version of the IRS. On a slava I heard a guy who lives in Sweden talk how he bought his car in cash and before he got out to register it, the revenue service was on his door. Since he had all the bank receipts, they couldn't do anything. Here, the retailers despise plastic, seeing how with every transaction, the bank get's 3% of the profits.