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Vlerchan
March 31st, 2016, 06:43 PM
OK. I’ll admit it, that title is misleading. It should, in fact, be Terrorism and Inflexibilities in National Labour Markets. But ‘minimum wage’ both sounds sexier and is relevant to political goings-on in the United States.

Countries with more centralized wage bargaining, stricter product market regulation and countries with a higher union density, have worse labour market outcomes for their immigrants relative to natives even after controlling for compositional effects.

Huber (2015) What Institutions Help Immigrants Integrate, Work Package 103 MS18 “Policy paper on implications of migration policies” Working Paper no 77.

In general, ‘reduced flexibility increases the negative impact of immigration’ (Angrist and Kugler 2001). That shouldn’t come as a surprise. If making errors in hiring (hiring ‘lemons’) is more expensive, and there’s more uncertainty associated with hiring immigrants or those outside one’s culture, in the same vein there’s more associated with hiring younger people, then reduced hiring will be pass-on in-large to those with greater uncertainties attached. That makes sense, the expected costs of those with greater uncertainties attached is higher that the expected cost of those without.

There’s a paper I like called Bertrand and Mullainathan (2003), which without going into excessive detail, concludes that black people get less interviews than white people, given the same skills. There’s a number of different ways to interpret this paper: (1) employers are prejudiced, (2) employers are taking note of the higher number of potential lawsuits, and thus blacks are screen-out when equivalent matches are presented. In simple terms, if (2) is correct, and the likelihood is that it explains some amount, the expected costs of black hirees is higher than the expected cost of white hirees, factoring in uncertainties.

Now, anti-discrimination legislation is just one example (and, to note, I don’t mean to infer here that costs outweigh gains as a matter of fact; in a number of cases it produced significant gains). Others include the likes of legislation hindering employers from firing, legislation that reduces temporal flexibility, legislation that reduces the scope of possible wage adjustment, and so on. The likelihood is that there is also some base cost, associated with the opportunity cost of a failed search.

Then, too, the minimum wage. This increases the potential costs of hiring ‘lemons’, and a disproportionate increase in the expected cost is attached to immigrant workers. The likelihood is that this effect isn’t as powerful as the impact of the likes of centralised bargaining processes or restrictions on firing. Nonetheless, it’s worth considering, as an increasing number of states - weighted towards towards with higher immigrant populations, it seems - adopts 15$/h minimum wages.

In conclusion, labour market participation is important in enabling the integration of immigrant workers. It is, in particular, important from those immigrants, such as Muslims, that tend to self-segregate, and the likelihood is scarcely engage with natives; and, vice-versa. There’s a clear trend, documented in the literature, of more restrictive labour market institutions resulting in worse outcomes for immigrants, less integration; and thus, worse outcomes for natives (Putnam 2000). The overwhelming likelihood is that it’s not a sole determinant; but, it remains, at the same time, an entirely ignored perspective in the debate that, really, should be discussed.

Porpoise101
March 31st, 2016, 09:13 PM
Interesting. I thought that the minimum wage was actually beneficial to immigrants because they would not be forced to be segregated into slums. I guess in areas where there is not a shortage of labor maybe (most of the West) the minimum wage hurts since it's better to have a job than having nothing. But I think that a minimum wage would probably be good for immigrants that aren't being prejudiced against.

Vlerchan
April 1st, 2016, 12:30 PM
I thought that the minimum wage was actually beneficial to immigrants because they would not be forced to be segregated into slums.
It's quite certain that some number of immigrants would be lifted - in fact we disproportionate holders of minimum wage jobs minorities can be disproportionate beneficiaries.

However the point I'm making is that it can also act to hinder their participation in labour markets - and this effect has a disproportionate weighting on minorities holding constant the disproportionalities outlined a moment ago. There's then a question as to whether raising the statues of some subset of immigrant groups is worth expanding the base of the disenfranchised.

Considering that this expansion seems to be quite substantial amongst groups like Muslims in states with high levels of employee-protection I'm coming to believe that's there's better means in which to pursue social aims. For the reason stated and otherwise minimum wage regulations seems like going after these with a hammer.

But I think that a minimum wage would probably be good for immigrants that aren't being prejudiced against.
The effect described nothing to do with them being prejudiced against. It based in the idea that there's more uncertainties attached to immigrant labour. That's things like much higher risk of culture clash and reduced workplace cohesion.

Porpoise101
April 1st, 2016, 03:48 PM
culture clash and reduced workplace cohesion. Besides a possible language barrier, what causes this culture clash? I'd say it's some type of prejudice against them but I guess I could be wrong.

Vlerchan
April 1st, 2016, 04:11 PM
Besides a possible language barrier, what causes this culture clash?
I'm aware of a situation where a firm has just insourced some jobs back into Ireland from India. There was problems settling in with some of the managers transferred over taking issues with taking directions from a female boss.

In general interactions amongst people of different cultures opens up possibilities for all sorts of misunderstandings, misconceptions and altercations. This is borne out of people viewing the same situation through different lenses.

Porpoise101
April 2nd, 2016, 10:15 AM
I'm aware of a situation where a firm has just insourced some jobs back into Ireland from India. There was problems settling in with some of the managers transferred over taking issues with taking directions from a female boss.

In general interactions amongst people of different cultures opens up possibilities for all sorts of misunderstandings, misconceptions and altercations. This is borne out of people viewing the same situation through different lenses.
Yeah I get what you are saying now. My father works with a Chinese manufacturer and they only do things if the order comes directly from the top boss, even if my father is just passing information.

I was thinking of this case in silicon valley where whites and Asians get most of the white collar jobs and the low level janitorial jobs go to black people and Latinos. So I figured there may be some type of hiring prejudice.

Anyways it took awhile to respond because I don't have internet since I'm on break. I was thinking about something though. Maybe immigrant communities serve themselves in a way. Often times they create shops and businesses that cater to their community. I would guess that these places would rather hire a member of that community than a member of the majority. It's just a hunch though so I'm not sure.

Vlerchan
April 3rd, 2016, 11:39 AM
I was thinking of this case in silicon valley where whites and Asians get most of the white collar jobs and the low level janitorial jobs go to black people and Latinos. So I figured there may be some type of hiring prejudice.
That has more to do with a certain intersection of cultural and socioeconomic factors directing these groups into these professions. It's a pattern in the supply for labour whilst what I'd been talking about is patterns in the demand for labour.

Computer Science is weird though because of what's called agglomeration economies (Peri et al. 2013 (http://www.norface-migration.org/publ_uploads/NDP_09_13.pdf)). When an extra unit of immigrant labour is added it increases productivity above-and-beyond what would normally be expected for the introduction of an extra unit of labour. It seems in this case that interactions between natives and immigrants in workplaces leads to pretty significant positive externalities.

The reality is probably way more nuanced - btw - but we just don't have the data to delve further at the moment.

Maybe immigrant communities serve themselves in a way.
This occurs without a doubt but as far as I can tell these ethnicised service-economies don't get close to employing all the spare labour.