BREAKING: 11 dead and several injured in Brussels airport 'bomb' horror

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[Exocet]

According to the news,the Belgian intelligence services were aware yesterday that an terrorist attack would happen soon.

[Vlerchan]

I was just about to make this thread.

Two explosions have struck the departures area of Zaventem airport in Brussels

The Belgian government has confirmed there are casualties but has given no numbers yet.

The cause of the explosions is unknown. The airport is being evacuated and has been closed to flights

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254

The 11 dead is floating around tabloids but is still unconfirmed. It's said to be sourced from fire fighters at the scene. Belgian media are reporting one dead.

Shots fired, Arabic shouted before explosions - reports

Posted at 08:11

Belgian news agency Belga is reporting that shots were fired and Arabic was shouted before the two explosions at Brussels airport.

Multiple reports say the explosions happened at the American Airline check in desk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-35869266

I imagine confirmation will break before lunch.

If this was the case then a much greater disaster might have just been averted.

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Alex Rossi - Sky correspondent who was in the airport at the time - reports the prevailing thinking is that it was a terrorist incident. Belgium has been placed on its highest state of alert.

[Exocet]

Vlerchan Medias are reporting explosion in the subway ?

[Vlerchan]

Vlerchan Medias are reporting explosion in the subway ?
RTBF reported it. It's being reported on anglo-media too on the basis of this report.

I imagine we'll know for sure inside the next 15 minutes.

Edit: BBC just put up image of smoke rising from the subway. Looks like the earliest reports werr true. Concurrent attacks at the subway.

Edit2: Subway operators seems to confirm. Entire system has been shut down until further notice.

Edit3: Trams evacuated. Tweets about the tunnels being filled with smoke.

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VRT - citing emergency services - has placed the death toll at 5.

From the looks of it these werr large explosions though. I wouldn't be optimistic about it remaining so low.

RTBF - citing hospital sources - have placed the death toll at 10.

[Leprous]

13 dead, 35 wounded, subway attacks are true. All public transport is down, complete chaos. I wanna move.

Also, I don't live near Brussels, but I know people there. 13 deaths seems....low. I'm sure it'll get worse. The bomb in the subway exploded inside a train. So I think 13/35 seems prettt positive to me.

I kindoff saw this coming. IS claimed a new 9/11 would happen in Brussels. Allot of the people who were in the airport are now on the runway, stuck.

[Living For Love]

These attacks are in retaliation for Salah Abdeslam's arrest.

[Leprous]

These attacks are in retaliation for Salah Abdeslam's arrest.

Of course they are. This was to be expected. The 35 wounded already went up to 81.

[Exocet]

RIP to the victims and speed recovery for the injured.
We Europeans have been warned and we keep opening our legs...

[phuckphace]

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RIP + build wall

[Kahn]

This is why we can't let hundreds of thousands of individuals into our country en masse without proper assimilation. We don't know what values they hold dear, we don't know that they'll respect our institutions, we don't know. They're entitled to none of the benefits our society offers, and I'm not in agreement with compromising the safety of our people or any other people for the sake of moral superiority.

[Porpoise101]

This is why we can't let hundreds of thousands of individuals into our country en masse without proper assimilation. We don't know what values they hold dear, we don't know that they'll respect our institutions, we don't know. They're entitled to none of the benefits our society offers, and I'm not in agreement with compromising the safety of our people or any other people for the sake of moral superiority.
This is why the US will not have this issue. The only 'problem' demographic of immigrant are the Mexicans, and that is because of their uninterrupted flow into the US. America sure does it best.

[Leprous]

This is why we can't let hundreds of thousands of individuals into our country en masse without proper assimilation. We don't know what values they hold dear, we don't know that they'll respect our institutions, we don't know. They're entitled to none of the benefits our society offers, and I'm not in agreement with compromising the safety of our people or any other people for the sake of moral superiority.

The people going in your country aren't Syrians who might even be terrorists.

[Microcosm]

The death toll is at 34 according to Reuters.

So sad. :(

Terrorists suck, man. Fr. Terrible people.

[Exocet]

I wonder where are the Liberals when such attacks happen in Europe ? It's funny,you can't find them.

[phuckphace]

I wonder where are the Liberals when such attacks happen in Europe ? It's funny,you can't find them.

what's really problematic isn't the bombings but the fact that racists expected it to happen *adjusts pointy glasses with no lens power*

[sqishy]

Can someone explain why Belgium was said to be a high-risk area ever since Paris, with preemptive action taken? I only wonder why, but I really want to know because it doesn't seem to be talked about with reasons, just that it is happening.
Basically, why Belgium in the metaphorical spotlight for the past few months before this?

[Leprous]

Can someone explain why Belgium was said to be a high-risk area ever since Paris, with preemptive action taken? I only wonder why, but I really want to know because it doesn't seem to be talked about with reasons, just that it is happening.
Basically, why Belgium in the metaphorical spotlight for the past few months before this?

Because, all the IS guys come back here. They are all in Brussels. After we captured Salam Abdelsam. Everything went wrong like today.

[sqishy]

We Europeans have been warned and we keep opening our legs...

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Yet again it seems some want the entire population to be punished for the intentions/actions an extreme minority within.


This is why we can't let hundreds of thousands of individuals into our country en masse without proper assimilation. We don't know what values they hold dear, we don't know that they'll respect our institutions, we don't know. They're entitled to none of the benefits our society offers, and I'm not in agreement with compromising the safety of our people or any other people for the sake of moral superiority.

I agree with the assimilation part, but by us giving them the chance to assimilate at least within a certain time frame. As before, I do not go with generalising the intentions and actions of a minority, with the entire population.

I don't think that lack of respect for 'our institutions' equates to suicide bombing - that is more deep hatred than lack of respect.

They are entitled to the benefits of 'our society' insofar as the majority of theirs has been damaged to the point of life-threatening proportions.


This is why the US will not have this issue. The only 'problem' demographic of immigrant are the Mexicans, and that is because of their uninterrupted flow into the US. America sure does it best.

It does not have a comparable issue, as it has no major refugee event ongoing, yes.
I'm taking the latter part as first impressions that you are more for Trump than against him.

@phuckface

I assume you're just for Trump all the way (correct me if my impression is wrong though - only want to clarify).


I wonder where are the Liberals when such attacks happen in Europe ? It's funny,you can't find them.

What do you mean?


what's really problematic isn't the bombings but the fact that racists expected it to happen *adjusts pointy glasses with no lens power*

I also don't know what you mean here (literally).


Because, all the IS guys come back here. They are all in Brussels. After we captured Salam Abdelsam. Everything went wrong like today.

Alright, I get you after looking it up. They sure apparently acted on it fast (4 days later).

[mahony0509]

The lads who done it were afraid of being caught, thats why they done it.

[Exocet]

Paraxiom Do you really think that after the 20th attack in Europe,the 'Muh islam is peace,not all terrorists' will work ?
To these people,we are just kuffars that need to be killed one by one.
Compare how many attacks in the world were done in the name of Islam,Hinduism,Christianism,Judaism... You'll be surprised.

[Sailor Mars]

On one side I think "Not all of these people are bad, and Europe and Asia are the safe places to go for those not bad people". On the other side I think "But then again when we let these people in we also potentially let in terrorists that do this shit."

Muh muh trust issues

RIP to those who died in the attacks and a hopeful recover for those injured

[Leprous]

On one side I think "Not all of these people are bad, and Europe and Asia are the safe places to go for those not bad people". On the other side I think "But then again when we let these people in we also potentially let in terrorists that do this shit."

Muh muh trust issues

RIP to those who died in the attacks and a hopeful recover for those injured

This also happened because of one other reason, apart from the refugees. Molenbeek. A part of Brussels. For years, the mayor there ignored everything happening. In these years, the entire place became a 'hive'. That is the place where Salam lived, and probably the 3 fucks from today aswell.

Honestly, they can try all they want, but they will never ruin out country. We are all still proud to be Belgian, and will always be.

[Exocet]

This also happened because of one other reason, apart from the refugees. Molenbeek. A part of Brussels. For years, the mayor there ignored everything happening. In these years, the entire place became a 'hive'. That is the place where Salam lived, and probably the 3 fucks from today aswell.

Honestly, they can try all they want, but they will never ruin out country. We are all still proud to be Belgian, and will always be.

This isn't those f*cktards that will ruin out Belgium,but its politicians. Just like pretty all European leaders. Seems like Madrid,London,Paris,Brussels isn't enough,they need more. Open your legs ! (again)

[Porpoise101]

It does not have a comparable issue, as it has no major refugee event ongoing, yes.
I'm taking the latter part as first impressions that you are more for Trump than against him.

The US doesn't have a refugee issue. But we get a lot of immigrants, and we are good at assimilating them. The French, Belgians, and Germans are lacking at that. But to me, this was expected. I think the refugees have nothing to do with this issue, besides maybe adding to the overall chaos of the country. The problem is that the immigrant groups are poor and do not assimilate. I feel this is partially because they form dense, tight knit communities while also not being able to become citizens and such. As for the statement about Mexicans, they aren't exactly like the north Africans or Turks in Europe, but they are often poorer and are cut off from the rest of the country. If we allowed them to become legal and their best, I think they would be at least as good as the groups that came before such as the Greeks, Swedes, and English.

And I dislike Trump a lot. He is unfit to rule.

[Leprous]

This isn't those f*cktards that will ruin out Belgium,but its politicians. Just like pretty all European leaders. Seems like Madrid,London,Paris,Brussels isn't enough,they need more. Open your legs ! (again)

It's the fault of our previous government. They also caused this. Belgium was a politcal nightmare a few years ago. Also, Salam got one of Belgium's best lawyers, because fuck you! Seriously that guy wants to defend that cunt. That cunt was behin 13/11.

[sqishy]

Do you really think that after the 20th attack in Europe,the 'Muh islam is peace,not all terrorists' will work ?

I do not think that. If we are talking about Islam and references within to peace and war, it is not so different from Christianity.

I was not talking with reference to Islam. I was talking with reference to the people coming into Europe, and the mass generalisation that can and is being done.


To these people,we are just kuffars that need to be killed one by one.

We are most likely indeterminate meat for them, yes.


Compare how many attacks in the world were done in the name of Islam,Hinduism,Christianism,Judaism... You'll be surprised.

You assume the perpetrators are really Muslims. If they are, then all the extremism going on with Christianity in the 'bible belt', Trump (again), and so on, should be treated as just as Christian as others who volunteer at soup kitchens.

I will also refer to air strikes and invasions that have been going on in the Middle East in general, and the Vietnam war, that was carried out by countries of predominant Christian faith.

In addition, we had the war inside India after the British Empire pulled out, going on between Muslims and Hindus.

Buddhism, at least from my knowledge, is the exception.

If you think that my view of the Western countries (in addition to Russia) is unjustified with respects to me connecting religious affiliation with war, then I suggest that you carry the same thinking to your own perspective.

Basically, I am not generalising or branding.

Finally, you may be aware that some sources say that IS intends for Islam to be hated in response to their acts, so that they get recruits from some angered Muslims to further their cause. I hope that you have considered this - even if this is not a successful enough strategy, it should be treated as a possibility.


The US doesn't have a refugee issue. But we get a lot of immigrants, and we are good at assimilating them. The French, Belgians, and Germans are lacking at that.

Could be so.



But to me, this was expected. I think the refugees have nothing to do with this issue, besides maybe adding to the overall chaos of the country. The problem is that the immigrant groups are poor and do not assimilate.

I agree.



I feel this is partially because they form dense, tight knit communities while also not being able to become citizens and such.

This is one process by which low integration/etc results, yes.


As for the statement about Mexicans, they aren't exactly like the north Africans or Turks in Europe, but they are often poorer and are cut off from the rest of the country. If we allowed them to become legal and their best, I think they would be at least as good as the groups that came before such as the Greeks, Swedes, and English.

Agreeing again.



And I dislike Trump a lot. He is unfit to rule.

Sorry for the misinterpretation.

[Porpoise101]

In addition, we had the war inside India after the British Empire pulled out, going on between Muslims and Hindus.

Buddhism, at least from my knowledge, is the exception.
Ok I know a little about this. You are right about Hindus and Muslims. But it is deeper. Even today, Muslims will get lynched KKK style for breaking a social more. As for the Buddhists you could see Ikko-Ikki in Japan as a terrorist group. If you are looking for a more modern example, just look at Myanmar.

[sqishy]

Ok I know a little about this. You are right about Hindus and Muslims. But it is deeper. Even today, Muslims will get lynched KKK style for breaking a social more. As for the Buddhists you could see Ikko-Ikki in Japan as a terrorist group. If you are looking for a more modern example, just look at Myanmar.

I know it is deeper and more complex - I was also assuming a view that religions are influencing wars (to get on his side and show issues with the argument, so to speak). I did not know about the Ikko-Ikki, will look it up.

[Gumleaf]

I haven't read all the replies in this thread, but this is no surprise when you think about it. I mean, they captured the surviving ring leader of the Paris attacks the other day and were likely closing in on associates that felt they had to act now before they got caught too. At the end of the day it's just all very sad and worst of all, more attacks are to come. The most important thing for people to remember is that the chances of being involved in a terror attack is very small. You're more likely to have a car crash next time you're in a car than be in an attack.

[Kahn]

The people going in your country aren't Syrians who might even be terrorists.

I'm well aware of this. I've even had the privelege of befriending a Syrian refugee, when I used to live in Buffalo, New York. His family was wealthier than mine, his father was well educated and his mother was an artist. Thankfully, my country hasn't opened its borders to the swathes of disgruntled, poverty-ridden, uneducated migrants that Europe has welcomed so gleefully.

What I meant was the United States shouldn't follow Europe's example, despite leaders like Clinton and Sanders encouraging us to accept thousands of refugees. If refugees wish to be a part of this country, they should be properly vetted.


I agree with the assimilation part, but by us giving them the chance to assimilate at least within a certain time frame. As before, I do not go with generalising the intentions and actions of a minority, with the entire population.

I agree with this. I'm not blaming the entire population for the actions of the few, rather, I'm saying that we cannot ignore the fact that there has been an increase in attacks since migrants started pouring into Europe. Not all of them loathe the West. Not all of them are terrorists. Many of them wanted to escape their former circumstances. However, the short term detriments outweigh the long term benefits of this egregious open arms policy. How many more have to die, how large of an attack will there have to be before Europe says "we've had enough?" and governments start properly screening people?

I don't think that lack of respect for 'our institutions' equates to suicide bombing - that is more deep hatred than lack of respect.

Why should any country willfully let in migrants who hate said country? Not all do, as stated time and time again, but clearly, some have a deep rooted hatred towards the West. Why give those individuals who wish to bring chaos here (or to Europe) the time of day when there's people who can actually benefit and contribute?

They are entitled to the benefits of 'our society' insofar as the majority of theirs has been damaged to the point of life-threatening proportions.

Please elaborate. I'm not responsible for the failures of their governments, nor are the people of the United States or Europe. There are a number of migrants who aren't even escaping the chaos of the Middle Eastern conflicts- they're simply taking advantage of the opportunity to leave their present situation to start anew in the arguably more stable, safer, West.

[Gumleaf]

When the news broke last night. Ch9 breaking news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-vEuM5mdQQ

[phuckphace]

Paraxiom

lel/lmao at equating Trump supporters with Islamic extremism. once again ye olde "bible belt extremist hicks are literally the same thing" argument is used unironically. I know you're far from stupid, which makes your use of this boneheaded line all the more disingenuous and irritating.

I've tried to address this false equivalence over and over again, but I'll try one more time: Christian "extremism" as it exists today is nothing compared to the extremism present within Islam, both in its manifestation and percentage of the total. Christianity today is explicitly modernist (Hippie Pope anyone?) whereas Islam has fully retained its medieval intolerance for non-believers. anyone can openly and freely disparage Christianity in the media including outright blasphemy directed at Christ without fear of violent reprisal - the same cannot be said for Islam and blasphemy directed at their prophet (and you know that).

take it from someone who literally lives in the Bible Belt - you coming here for a visit as an atheist bigender-pansexual-whatever (feel free to clarify), shouting "FUCK JESUS AND THE PATRIARCHY" in public and surviving to old age are 10000000% higher than your chances in any Islamic-majority area. do the same at a Trump rally and you're also guaranteed to come out alive and on your own two feet.

speaking of "punishing the majority for the actions of a few" - it just so happens that's the exact logic behind restrictions to gun ownership. but I digress.

[Leprous]

Just to give you all an idea of what happened, the current death toll is at 31, with 260 wounded. That is in total from both attacks.

[Britboo14]

I have a hard time blaming Islam when they're so many Muslims condemning the attacks..

[sqishy]

However, the short term detriments outweigh the long term benefits of this egregious open arms policy. How many more have to die, how large of an attack will there have to be before Europe says "we've had enough?" and governments start properly screening people?

I agree that more should be done regarding getting basic relevant info about people coming in. Get an effective but non-discriminant (i.e. no walls or anything else excessive/over-the-top) 'filter' system such that the malevolent minority are found.



Why should any country willfully let in migrants who hate said country? Not all do, as stated time and time again, but clearly, some have a deep rooted hatred towards the West. Why give those individuals who wish to bring chaos here (or to Europe) the time of day when there's people who can actually benefit and contribute?

The country shouldn't, if they openly hate them unjustifiably. I am not aware of the refugee population hating the West, though. Some, yes. What is this proportion, though? (Wondering, not being rhetorical.)



Please elaborate. I'm not responsible for the failures of their governments, nor are the people of the United States or Europe.

This point is debatable, as some hold the West/Russia being at least influential in the geopolitical mess that is the middle east now (with reference to invasions, excess/unnecessary air strikes, installing government officials). However, we don't need to get into it for this particular point, as we assume it as true for the sake of arguing what should happen.

Our lack of responsibility of causing/influencing an event, does not necessarily mean that we lack responsibility in 'fixing'/dealing with the consequences of that event. I draw analogy to the bystander phenomenon when some people on a street witness an assault, and do nothing.

Bringing government into it, if we are sufficiently responsible for events in the middle east, then we have more arguable reasons to help out those who want to escape from the region. Past wrongs can be mended by present and future actions. At the least, temporary taking care of those in need who escaped the region, and taking actions to mend the mess going on in the region before returning the refugees back to their home, sounds reasonable.



There are a number of migrants who aren't even escaping the chaos of the Middle Eastern conflicts- they're simply taking advantage of the opportunity to leave their present situation to start anew in the arguably more stable, safer, West.

This 'middle-way' (metaphorically) proportion of the migrating population (the others being proper refugees and the malevolent pretenders) is present, yes. I think we should, at least for ease of dealing with this, draw some qualifying distinction for how much one migrant's hardship and needs are, so that they should be given refuge and care in the country. Some are better-off, and if needs be, will not be given the same treatment are the rest (i.e. return to their country, or a smaller staying time allowed).

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lel/lmao at equating Trump supporters with Islamic extremism.

I am drawing similarities between them, not equating them. There are many differences, but the similarities are worth thinking about at the least.

once again ye olde "bible belt extremist hicks are literally the same thing" argument is used unironically. I know you're far from stupid, which makes your use of this boneheaded line all the more disingenuous and irritating.

I do not want to take a usual attacking position on the bible belt. I am only noting that the degree of religious affiliation is present with, and I argue connected to, their political views of other populations.

(I don't want to irritate anyone.)


Christian "extremism" as it exists today is nothing compared to the extremism present within Islam, both in its manifestation and percentage of the total.

I wouldn't say nothing. Both sides have strong views, usually confrontational, with the 'other side'.



Christianity today is explicitly modernist (Hippie Pope anyone?) whereas Islam has fully retained its medieval intolerance for non-believers.

Leaving modernist-medieval distinctions aside, I'm not sure about Christianity in its forms (especially the 'bible belt'), explicitly not having intolerance toward non-believers. Yes, IS has clear 'exterminate!' views regards to those not of their viewpoint, but strong intolerance (of a lesser but similar degree) also exists with 'extremist' Christians.



[...] anyone can openly and freely disparage Christianity in the media including outright blasphemy directed at Christ without fear of violent reprisal - the same cannot be said for Islam and blasphemy directed at their prophet (and you know that).

The presence of the extremist Muslims (if not actually not Muslim because just too far-straying) in our regions is what is making it risky to attack Islam.

In addition, the counteracting position of areas of media and society to avoid 'Islamaphobia', does bring a lot of criticism as well. I take the view that those who are working against islamaphobia, should distinguish different kinds of attacks toward Islam.

For example, theological or philosophical-based arguments against Islam, or just general but disconnected-from-recent-politics disliking of Islam, shouldn't be equated with hating the Muslims because of the recent events. I do not want any sides to make generalisations, but instead recognise that some just don't like Islam similarly to those who don't like Christianity. As long as both the (justified, with the examples I gave) critics and the observers of the critics don't make jumps to conclusions, and no generalising, then we should be doing better already.

At the least, if this is not achieved, we can try and be coherent with not liking/hating Islam and Christianity. I don't want that, but at least it deals with the issue of double standards going on (what I said above does this too).



[...] take it from someone who literally lives in the Bible Belt - you coming here for a visit as an atheist bigender-pansexual-whatever (feel free to clarify)[...]

I don't get how my gender is relevant here, but it is neutral.



[...] shouting "FUCK JESUS AND THE PATRIARCHY" in public and surviving to old age are 10000000% higher than your chances in any Islamic-majority area.

I'm not the stereotypical SJW you might anticipate me to be, but alright.

I would like relevant statistics actually in general (not just for being in response to this view), but I can only agree that the chances are higher. I'm putting this down to most (if not all, I don't know enough geopolitics here) middle eastern countries having a 'law of the land' that is more fundamental to the major religion, than here in the West. (I don't say there are none here though either, but I won't go further.)

The chances aren't orders of magnitude bigger though, I bet.



[...] do the same at a Trump rally and you're also guaranteed to come out alive and on your own two feet.

Alive indeed (hopefully will stay that way), but not injured, I don't know. I'm guessing we don't have enough evidence to statistically point on safety of opponents of Trump in his rallies, because most opponents would be afraid to act out. Of those who have, many if not most have been injured, or threatened to be injured.


speaking of "punishing the majority for the actions of a few" - it just so happens that's the exact logic behind restrictions to gun ownership. but I digress.

This is different, as I don't see someone's lack of ownership of a gun in a public place, as a punishment. I do see a return to metaphorical/literal hell of a ex-home (and the journey back there) as some punishment though.

The same logic can't be applied to situations that look the same overall - we got certain differences I see as important. The presence of guns brings with it risk of easier death upon others, which is not the case for the presence people needing help. (I add that I'm not completely against gun ownership - private property and use of guns when properly necessary, I can go with.) I don't want to go into this further, if it won't be relevant enough for the topic here.



We're debating on if/how Islam is worse than Christianity. Perhaps we can at least start a thread in ROTW (but then, yet again...) on this stuff, instead of continuing here on what is better-suited to be a thread of the details of this event itself.

[Exocet]

Just to give you all an idea of what happened, the current death toll is at 31, with 260 wounded. That is in total from both attacks.

Expect some solidarity messages from the EU,and nothing else will happen,everyone will forget what happened in Bruxelles in some weeks.

The Belgian authorities should be blamed for what happened in Brussels and even in Paris. How is it possible that Molenbeek still exists ?

Abdelsalam lived in his own street even 4 months after the attacks in Paris. His friends,family were protecting him and yet they weren't arrested.


I don't want to insult your country,but your government and authorities are a disgrace.

How come Belgium became the terrorism hub of Europe ? How come this little country produces more terrorist per capita than the rest of Europe ?

You need to do a mass cleansing instead of the empty words we get from you guys about our "values" and how we should stay united bla bla bla without any action.

I like Belgium and the Belgian people,but all of this is very worrying.

[sqishy]

How come Belgium became the terrorism hub of Europe ? How come this little country produces more terrorist per capita than the rest of Europe ?


What is your take/guess on it?

[Leprous]

Expect some solidarity messages from the EU,and nothing else will happen,everyone will forget what happened in Bruxelles in some weeks.

The Belgian authorities should be blamed for what happened in Brussels and even in Paris. How is it possible that Molenbeek still exists ?

Abdelsalam lived in his own street even 4 months after the attacks in Paris. His friends,family were protecting him and yet they weren't arrested.


I don't want to insult your country,but your government and authorities are a disgrace.

How come Belgium became the terrorism hub of Europe ? How come this little country produces more terrorist per capita than the rest of Europe ?

You need to do a mass cleansing instead of the empty words we get from you guys about our "values" and how we should stay united bla bla bla without any action.

I like Belgium and the Belgian people,but all of this is very worrying.

You know, I love Belgium, and I'm proud that I'm Belgian, but I have to agree with you. As I said, the mayor of Molenbeek allowed this to happen. First of all, they need to clean that place up. All of it.

After that, clean up all the socialists, no offence, but they are the reason this happened in Belgium. They allowed this to evolve over the years. Also, Salam got one of our best lawyers out there. And he wants to defend him. That says enough about our justice system.

The politicians here fucked up big time. Our prime minister made a tweet saying: "We were expecting an attack". When I read that, I think to myself, why not prepare for it then? If you know it'll happen, atleast send militaries to big public places.

Salam even made it across the Belgian border after Paris, they just let him trough. They need to clean up Molenbeek, politicians, protect the borders, and have 0 tolerance for IS fighters coming back from Syria, they are allowed here, they just allow them to stay here. Giving them a chance. Fucking retards.

[Exocet]

What is your take/guess on it?

I'm still trying to figure out/find answers on how a country with something like 500.000 muslims can produce more terrorists per capita than any other European country.

[german_boy]

This is why we can't let hundreds of thousands of individuals into our country en masse without proper assimilation. We don't know what values they hold dear, we don't know that they'll respect our institutions, we don't know. They're entitled to none of the benefits our society offers, and I'm not in agreement with compromising the safety of our people or any other people for the sake of moral superiority.

There is no correlation between the attacks and the current development in immigration.
Two suicide bombers were born in Brussels and Belgian citizens. The identity of the other one is not yet known.

The problem actually isn't immigration. When many people with low income are living together (for example in Molenbeek), excluded from society, they become susceptible to the IS propaganda.

[Jinglebottom]

OT: Farkhunda wishes she was surrounded by Christians when a religious leader falsely accused her of burning a holy book.

[Leprous]

There is no correlation between the attacks and the current development in immigration.
Two suicide bombers were born in Brussels and Belgian citizens. The identity of the other one is not yet known.

The problem actually isn't immigration. When many people with low income are living together (for example in Molenbeek), excluded from society, they become susceptible to the IS propaganda.
Actually the identity of the 3 is known. They were not born in Belgium but recruited in Syria and other countries by Salam. Molenbeek isn't extremely poor, but it's where all the Muslims live in Brussels, well, allot. IS were there for years.

[german_boy]

Actually the identity of the 3 is known. They were not born in Belgium but recruited in Syria and other countries by Salam. Molenbeek isn't extremely poor, but it's where all the Muslims live in Brussels, well, allot. IS were there for years.

At least 2 of them (the brothers) were born in Brussels:

Ibrahim El Bakraoui, born 9 October 1986 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

Khalid El Bakraoui, born 12 January 1989 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

[Jinglebottom]

At least 2 of them (the brothers) were born in Brussels:

Ibrahim El Bakraoui, born 9 October 1986 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

Khalid El Bakraoui, born 12 January 1989 in Brussels, Belgian citizen
I'm absolutely horrified and ashamed of the fact that I share the same name as hundreds of terrorists worldwide.

[Exocet]

At least 2 of them (the brothers) were born in Brussels:

Ibrahim El Bakraoui, born 9 October 1986 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

Khalid El Bakraoui, born 12 January 1989 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

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[Vlerchan]

This is why we can't let hundreds of thousands of individuals into our country en masse without proper assimilation.
To begin I believe that immigrants should assimilate and the current approach to the refugee crisis is a joke.

But I don't feel that the issue is with arrivals failing to assimilate. It might contribute in some sense but I'm doubtful. Those engaged in this are their disaffected second- and third-generation children. Disenfranchised from liberal-democratic institutions - those bombers identified this afternoon both had criminal records: I'm imagining came from impoverished backgrounds - these forge identities against antithetical to these same institutions.

You've had the same with Europeans in the past. In particular the radical left participated in numerous events of domestic terrorism. Disaffected citizens that couldn't feel anything less like citizens - are the issue.

Also, Salam got one of Belgium's best lawyers, because fuck you! Seriously that guy wants to defend that cunt.
You can believe that someone is evil and still believe in the idea of due process.

If I was a defence attorney I'd take the case too.

I know it is deeper and more complex - I was also assuming a view that religions are influencing wars (to get on his side and show issues with the argument, so to speak).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

This is steeped in the Sinhalese (Buddhists) view that Sri Lanka is their god-given possession. Despite their representation as peaceful in the West: Buddhists in the East have ran pretty horrific military campaigns.

There is no correlation between the attacks and the current development in immigration.
There's way too small a sample (of attacks) to draw a reasonable correlation either direction.

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There's also a major confounding factor here of ISIL losing significant territory in the last 12 months. In the past it's campaign has been about attracting fighters to the Middle East to fight.

This occurring has led to a change in tactics and a attempted-redirection of media attention towards Europe.

[Leprous]

At least 2 of them (the brothers) were born in Brussels:

Ibrahim El Bakraoui, born 9 October 1986 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

Khalid El Bakraoui, born 12 January 1989 in Brussels, Belgian citizen

Those cunts, are NOT Belgian, and don't call them Belgian.

[german_boy]

Those cunts, are NOT Belgian, and don't call them Belgian.

The Belgian nationality law defines who has the right to be or to become Belgian and who has not. Those a..holes were Belgian citizens. Being a c***t is not up to a nationality.

[Leprous]

The Belgian nationality law defines who has the right to be or to become Belgian and who has not. Those a..holes were Belgian citizens. Being a c***t is not up to a nationality.

I don't care about some law. A guy who blows himself up in an airport doesn't deserve any nationality. Also, what are you trying to say with that?

[sqishy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

This is steeped in the Sinhalese (Buddhists) view that Sri Lanka is their god-given possession. Despite their representation as peaceful in the West: Buddhists in the East have ran pretty horrific military campaigns.


My ignorance on the subject lead me to say that Buddhism is the exception; thanks for the information. I don't deny that I've been influenced by western impressions.