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Exocet
March 4th, 2016, 05:57 PM
Shows like this are regularly air on Swedish state TV as Children's programs.
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What do you think ?
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The Swedes are on self destruction mode,this isn't possible...
Living For Love
March 4th, 2016, 07:13 PM
Yep, like someone in the comment section said, a multicultural liberal orgy at its best...
http://i.imgur.com/BMqlv0s.jpg
Hyper
March 4th, 2016, 10:50 PM
It's indoctrination.
I mean it's perfectly fine to put some mild child cartoon propaganda in about being nice to all kids regardless of their looks (race) and that sharing is good.
But immigration supporting propaganda to fucken kindergarteners? ''My country your country'' I mean these kids don't really even know what a country is but the brainwashing is starting real damn early...
This sort of reminds me of that jesus camp documentary... My land is yours!!!! MY LAND IS YOURS!!!
Porpoise101
March 5th, 2016, 12:36 AM
Seems utopian. What else is new for kids TV?
lliam
March 5th, 2016, 12:37 AM
So what's the fuss? It's just good doer stuff. If the kids are older, those propaganda is forgotten anyway.
And most of'em will say: "They steal our jobs ..." or such.
Even former immigrants who then are Swedish citizens.
No big deal.
Allah loves good-doers. (Surah Al 'Imran: 148) If anyone desires the reward of this world, We will give him some of it. If anyone desires the reward of the Hereafter, We will give him some of it. We will recompense the thankful. (Surah Al 'Imran: 145)
Uniquemind
March 5th, 2016, 02:47 AM
The world of materialistic wants counteracts that "propaganda message" as they grow up.
As does the natural drive to be possessive of a romantic partner to a healthy degree.
Exocet
March 5th, 2016, 04:10 AM
So what's the fuss? It's just good doer stuff. If the kids are older, those propaganda is forgotten anyway.
And most of'em will say: "They steal our jobs ..." or such.
Even former immigrants who then are Swedish citizens.
No big deal.
Well,now these poor German kids became moslems without even knowing it.
Enjoy.
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dxcxdzv
March 5th, 2016, 04:26 AM
If someone could provide the context of the second video that would be nice.
It's fine to make a music video about diversity with everyone smiling, and that wouldn't be the first time you see kids being exploited to spread an idea.
Actually I think the only reason that made the OP post that video to discuss about it is because the idea spread trough it hurts its own ideals.
But the fact is that this video is blameworthy. This thread is kinda right for the wrong reasons.
Therefore I will say: Meh.
Jinglebottom
March 5th, 2016, 06:07 AM
Well,now these poor German kids became moslems without even knowing it.
Enjoy.
aschhadu: I testify
an: That
la-ilaha: There is no god
ill-allah: Other than God
wa aschhadu: and I testify
anna: That
muhammadan: Mohammad is
rasulallah: the Prophet of God
How... progressive? enlightening? :confused:
btw, about the "my country is yours" video, if I were to travel and live abroad in Australia/Canada whatever, that doesn't make me Canadian or Australian in the least. I won't be that either in twenty, thirty, fourty years, all I will remain is a Lebanese foreigner. That doesn't make it *my* country. I simply chose to live there. If anything, Lebanon will be my retirement home. I'll 'come back home' because the West isn't and will never be my home.
Exocet
March 5th, 2016, 06:15 AM
aschhadu: I testify
an: That
la-ilaha: There is no god
ill-allah: Other than God
wa aschhadu: and I testify
anna: That
muhammadan: Mohammad is
rasulallah: the Prophet of God
How... progressive? enlightening? :confused:
This is called cultural enrichment.
dxcxdzv
March 5th, 2016, 06:24 AM
Ok. after being in the commentaries and shit I know the context.
Those lovely kids tapped at the door of a muslim guy/family for Halloween.
And one guy thought it would be funny to make those kids say things in a language they don't understand at all. That's not as bad as the "salut connard" that I told to a Japanese girl to say to a french guy.
Therefore this is just the act of a douchebag, it has more or less nothing to do with immigration, this kind of acts can be done by natives as well.
But the biggest douchebag is the one using this as propaganda.
Ragle
March 5th, 2016, 06:35 AM
My Land is Your Land.
And Your Land is My Land.
World united.
sqishy
March 5th, 2016, 05:47 PM
I don't see a problem with the context, only with the propagandist nature it seems to be portrayed through. I don't say this often, by the way. Overall, is it bad? No, not in this case.
Uniquemind
March 5th, 2016, 07:04 PM
I don't see a problem with the context, only with the propagandist nature it seems to be portrayed through. I don't say this often, by the way. Overall, is it bad? No, not in this case.
there's a misrepresentation of what this propaganda is in the first place so research is required. It sounds like it was prank and someone's twisting the context.
lliam
March 5th, 2016, 09:35 PM
Enjoy.
Thanks. Also I once prayed in a mosque.
sqishy
March 6th, 2016, 08:10 AM
there's a misrepresentation of what this propaganda is in the first place so research is required. It sounds like it was prank and someone's twisting the context.
Could be so too - I haven't looked into it, only taking it as presented here.
phuckphace
March 7th, 2016, 04:56 AM
lmao I saw some clips from some Swedish kids show and this 10 year old """boy""" comes out with a totally fabulous booty-shaking number and gives the camera a "come hither" look, like wtf is wrong with that country
and then there's a friend of mine who lives in Weimar 2.0 who showed me these gay magazines for tweenagers with spreads of nude models. I don't think Sharia bloody allows it
Exocet
March 12th, 2016, 08:40 AM
Thanks. Also I once prayed in a mosque.
Oy vey,I'm happy that you still have the guilt about what you did in WW2 to the chosen people and the world. You have to open your hearts,marry with persons from different colors and make a lot of baby. The future of Germany is with multiculturalism and Islam. The racist ethnic germans have no place in this world your days are numbered.
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Paraxiom Reise Oh look. A graduation of teachers and doctors.
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I expect in the next decades (if not before) a big,violent civilian war in Europe.
Vlerchan
March 12th, 2016, 09:07 AM
You're not seriously conflating Muslims participating in some sort of march with our streets being over-run by the darkies - right?
Arkansasguy
March 12th, 2016, 10:07 AM
Shows like this are regularly air on Swedish state TV as Children's programs.
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What do you think ?
9VOFKCCaOQM
The Swedes are on self destruction mode,this isn't possible...
Sweden . . . seems the inmates are running the asylum.
sqishy
March 12th, 2016, 01:16 PM
Oh look. A graduation of teachers and doctors.
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I expect in the next decades (if not before) a big,violent civilian war in Europe.
If immigrants do not respect the culture/etc of the land they have immigrated to, and believe it is okay to 'override' this culture/etc with theirs, then of course it's bad.
I feel that there will be other issues of greater magnitude in the coming decades than this, assuming the presence of malevolence/ill intention from some (a minority) of the immigrants, keeps the same proportionality.
If you've seen Game of Thrones, you may understand my point when I say that the 'wildlings' shouldn't be treated the same way as the white walkers.
Stronk Serb
March 15th, 2016, 11:02 AM
If immigrants do not respect the culture/etc of the land they have immigrated to, and believe it is okay to 'override' this culture/etc with theirs, then of course it's bad.
I feel that there will be other issues of greater magnitude in the coming decades than this, assuming the presence of malevolence/ill intention from some (a minority) of the immigrants, keeps the same proportionality.
If you've seen Game of Thrones, you may understand my point when I say that the 'wildlings' shouldn't be treated the same way as the white walkers.
Yet the 'wildlings' still raided the area south of the wall. Snow let them in for the extra manpower, not out of kindness. Also the 'wildlings' respect the same gods and have cultural similarities to the Northmen, whose domain they inhabited. The 'wildlings' are similar to Serbian Frontiermen who were settled on the Austro-Turkish border so they could defend Europe against the Turks. They asked to be settled at the border on the conditions that they defend it, but are not forced into serfdom. These migrants are more like a rabble flocking to the coubtries that are the most pathologically altruistic. ISIS is reporting how they send terrorists along the refugee trails, what are we talking about?
sqishy
March 15th, 2016, 01:07 PM
Yet the 'wildlings' still raided the area south of the wall.
They did it for resources that were needed due to desperation. I also point out that this world has a much higher presence of direct violence, so we can't just say the wildlings and the immigrants are the same.
Snow let them in for the extra manpower, not out of kindness.
It was mostly for the resources again, yes, but he had sympathy for their perspective. He was no Alliser Thorne, even if you factor out how his hatred of Snow caused a division between them.
Also the 'wildlings' respect the same gods and have cultural similarities to the Northmen, whose domain they inhabited.
The wildlings are effectively the First Men preserved from changes by the presence of the Wall, yes, though even the North had changed relatively a lot when time went by. It makes most sense when you see wildlings as having started off due to simply being people who were on the wrong side of the Wall when it finally got built.
The actual purpose of the Wall was sidelined and then forgot about, when misunderstandings of perspective and breakdown of communication arose between the Watch and the wildlings.
The 'wildlings' are similar to Serbian Frontiermen who were settled on the Austro-Turkish border so they could defend Europe against the Turks. They asked to be settled at the border on the conditions that they defend it, but are not forced into serfdom.
Perhaps similar in aspects of their relationship currently in GoT, but the origins are very different. I do not doubt your historical knowledge (I respect it), but I see more of an apparent similarity than a deep one.
ISIS is reporting how they send terrorists along the refugee trails, what are we talking about?
If we trust what the organisation says, then we are talking about a great minority of the population pretending to be victim, and then acting malevolently. I do not want to generalise.
Stronk Serb
March 15th, 2016, 05:13 PM
They did it for resources that were needed due to desperation. I also point out that this world has a much higher presence of direct violence, so we can't just say the wildlings and the immigrants are the same.
It was mostly for the resources again, yes, but he had sympathy for their perspective. He was no Alliser Thorne, even if you factor out how his hatred of Snow caused a division between them.
The wildlings are effectively the First Men preserved from changes by the presence of the Wall, yes, though even the North had changed relatively a lot when time went by. It makes most sense when you see wildlings as having started off due to simply being people who were on the wrong side of the Wall when it finally got built.
The actual purpose of the Wall was sidelined and then forgot about, when misunderstandings of perspective and breakdown of communication arose between the Watch and the wildlings.
Perhaps similar in aspects of their relationship currently in GoT, but the origins are very different. I do not doubt your historical knowledge (I respect it), but I see more of an apparent similarity than a deep one.
If we trust what the organisation says, then we are talking about a great minority of the population pretending to be victim, and then acting malevolently. I do not want to generalise.
I would let the women, children, the disabled and the elderly. Men are needed IN Syria to fight the root of the problem and to rebuild it after the war is won. They are sayibg they are peaceful and don't want/know how to fight but they stage fights on border checkpoints. On the Greece-Macedonia border they broke through the fence using a battering ram. In order to stop the horde, riot police and a shit ton of teargas had to be deployed.
sqishy
March 15th, 2016, 05:28 PM
I would let the women, children, the disabled and the elderly. Men are needed IN Syria to fight the root of the problem and to rebuild it after the war is won.
I mention that there is another thread discussing the suitability of women in combat. I also say that there are fathers too, not just mothers; let all the families in at least, and whole.
They are sayibg they are peaceful and don't want/know how to fight but they stage fights on border checkpoints. On the Greece-Macedonia border they broke through the fence using a battering ram. In order to stop the horde, riot police and a shit ton of teargas had to be deployed.
The fighting is primarily motivated by desperation.
Referring back to GoT, it sounds like you are in favour of a situation similar to the battle of Castle Black, but instead you got thousands of 'crows' that pre-emptively launch an offensive at the wildlings, in addition to completely not recognising what the wildlings are running from.
Stronk Serb
March 16th, 2016, 08:51 AM
I mention that there is another thread discussing the suitability of women in combat. I also say that there are fathers too, not just mothers; let all the families in at least, and whole.
The fighting is primarily motivated by desperation.
Referring back to GoT, it sounds like you are in favour of a situation similar to the battle of Castle Black, but instead you got thousands of 'crows' that pre-emptively launch an offensive at the wildlings, in addition to completely not recognising what the wildlings are running from.
ISIS are a bunch of untrained savages who are easy to fight, unlike the White Walkers. The reason they lasted this long is because the Saudis and the Turks funded and helped them, now that the border is either under Kurdish or government control, they will be surrounded and wiped out. If Serbia was to be invaded, I would sign up, not for the scum in power, not for spoils of war, but for ensuring that my family has a safe future. During the Yugoslav Civil War which was just as bloody like the Syrian Civil War, there were no hordes of military capable men, even other people flocking to Germany, even though they offered far greater benefits to refugees at that time.
sqishy
March 16th, 2016, 08:57 AM
ISIS are a bunch of untrained savages who are easy to fight, unlike the White Walkers. The reason they lasted this long is because the Saudis and the Turks funded and helped them, now that the border is either under Kurdish or government control, they will be surrounded and wiped out.
Odd then that the US, UK and other countries are not at least vocally blasting the countries you see to be helping IS.
I personally think they have more training than we think - otherwise it's effectively, from your view, a couple of countries that are helping nothing more than raging fighters, and yet have claimed a massive international region that is withstanding air attacks and so on. We also have the issue of logistics of resources, which I feel is not simply due to the guilty countries you speak of, helping through smuggling.
If Serbia was to be invaded, I would sign up, not for the scum in power, not for spoils of war, but for ensuring that my family has a safe future.
I understand the motivation.
During the Yugoslav Civil War which was just as bloody like the Syrian Civil War, there were no hordes of military capable men, even other people flocking to Germany, even though they offered far greater benefits to refugees at that time.
I make an educated guess that the political situation within the country was such that escaping was far less easier, and the routes to take were prone to being exposed and dealt with harshly.
Stronk Serb
March 16th, 2016, 09:40 AM
Odd then that the US, UK and other countries are not at least vocally blasting the countries you see to be helping IS.
I personally think they have more training than we think - otherwise it's effectively, from your view, a couple of countries that are helping nothing more than raging fighters, and yet have claimed a massive international region that is withstanding air attacks and so on. We also have the issue of logistics of resources, which I feel is not simply due to the guilty countries you speak of, helping through smuggling.
I understand the motivation.
I make an educated guess that the political situation within the country was such that escaping was far less easier, and the routes to take were prone to being exposed and dealt with harshly.
No, ISIS troops are not as trained as other military organizations. They lived on supply, weapons and munitions smuggling from Turkey. The Saudis openly funded thembefore they decided to backstab them. They had an ellaborate moneymaking scheme which went to the shitter now.
About Yugoslavia, there was a clear route to the EU through Slovenia since they seceeded and were let go. Bosnia and Croatia were fought over because they violated the Yugoslav Constitution. Bottom line, you could easily get to Austria and Germany, the route through Croatia and Bosnia is very short.
sqishy
March 16th, 2016, 09:51 AM
No, ISIS troops are not as trained as other military organizations. They lived on supply, weapons and munitions smuggling from Turkey. The Saudis openly funded thembefore they decided to backstab them. They had an ellaborate moneymaking scheme which went to the shitter now.
If I take this to be true, then it means that either the Western countries are unaware of this (really unlikely), or they do but are not making it public knowledge (more likely, relatively). I wouldn't be surprised by this - I certainly at the least don't assume that media's reporting of the war(s) is genuine.
About Yugoslavia, there was a clear route to the EU through Slovenia since they seceeded and were let go. Bosnia and Croatia were fought over because they violated the Yugoslav Constitution. Bottom line, you could easily get to Austria and Germany, the route through Croatia and Bosnia is very short.
Alright, so the physical route is, as you say, relatively much easier. What was the state of security of Yugoslavia's borders? What was the extent of damage to the structures in which people lived, in comparison to the current war(s) in the middle east?
If I am to fundamentally agree with you in seeing that there was no serious mass refugee situation as a result of a war in this situation, that in itself does not argue against the validity of each involved in the mass refugee situation of the current war.
Even leaving aside the complexity of different factors, such as of climate, resource distribution and abundance, initial stability of the region, and so on, is this enough to jump and say that the population migrating is malevolent?
(I don't want to leave aside the many factors going on which I feel make total comparison unjustified.)
Stronk Serb
March 16th, 2016, 01:10 PM
If I take this to be true, then it means that either the Western countries are unaware of this (really unlikely), or they do but are not making it public knowledge (more likely, relatively). I wouldn't be surprised by this - I certainly at the least don't assume that media's reporting of the war(s) is genuine.
Alright, so the physical route is, as you say, relatively much easier. What was the state of security of Yugoslavia's borders? What was the extent of damage to the structures in which people lived, in comparison to the current war(s) in the middle east?
If I am to fundamentally agree with you in seeing that there was no serious mass refugee situation as a result of a war in this situation, that in itself does not argue against the validity of each involved in the mass refugee situation of the current war.
Even leaving aside the complexity of different factors, such as of climate, resource distribution and abundance, initial stability of the region, and so on, is this enough to jump and say that the population migrating is malevolent?
(I don't want to leave aside the many factors going on which I feel make total comparison unjustified.)
Well, in Sarajevo there barely was a stone left standing, Banjaluka, Dubrovnik and Vukovar were left in ruins. Due to the constantly shifting borders, efficient border control was hardly possible. Most of the migrations occured inside Yugoslavia, forming ethnically homogenous environments.
sqishy
March 16th, 2016, 04:23 PM
Well, in Sarajevo there barely was a stone left standing, Banjaluka, Dubrovnik and Vukovar were left in ruins. Due to the constantly shifting borders, efficient border control was hardly possible. Most of the migrations occured inside Yugoslavia, forming ethnically homogenous environments.
Right, so the borders were in flux and (I am guessing here) ethnicities found each other.
Stronk Serb
March 16th, 2016, 04:58 PM
Right, so the borders were in flux and (I am guessing here) ethnicities found each other.
Yes and exiled/genocided eachother. After the war, out of almost 500,000 Serbs in Croatia, 100,000 of them remained. In Bosnia, the entities, especially the Serbian one are extremely homogenous, ironic since Bosnia was always praised for being the beacon of "brotherhood and unity" since three cultural groups inhabited it. In the war, it was the most violent region. No matter how violent the regions are, it was always easy to bolt out to Germany. The few people I know who did said they felt so ashamed of the state providing for them that they found a job and cancelled the benefits.
sqishy
March 16th, 2016, 05:28 PM
Yes and exiled/genocided eachother. After the war, out of almost 500,000 Serbs in Croatia, 100,000 of them remained. In Bosnia, the entities, especially the Serbian one are extremely homogenous, ironic since Bosnia was always praised for being the beacon of "brotherhood and unity" since three cultural groups inhabited it. In the war, it was the most violent region. No matter how violent the regions are, it was always easy to bolt out to Germany. The few people I know who did said they felt so ashamed of the state providing for them that they found a job and cancelled the benefits.
Ashamed? Was there a collective cultural mindset of being excessively modest and such?
Stronk Serb
March 17th, 2016, 12:39 AM
Ashamed? Was there a collective cultural mindset of being excessively modest and such?
I used the wrong term, they felt embarassed, the people I know who went to Germany. They are a generation before mine, in that generation everyone was taught to be independent, self-sufficient etc.
sqishy
March 19th, 2016, 06:02 AM
I used the wrong term, they felt embarassed, the people I know who went to Germany. They are a generation before mine, in that generation everyone was taught to be independent, self-sufficient etc.
So, taking this with full trust, you believe that incorrect education has lead to this migration event?
Stronk Serb
March 19th, 2016, 06:59 AM
So, taking this with full trust, you believe that incorrect education has lead to this migration event?
Yes, also the cowardice of the migrants. You have Kurdish girls my age fighting ISIS while the military-capable migrants are fleeing.
Vlerchan
March 20th, 2016, 06:28 AM
Yes, also the cowardice of the migrants. You have Kurdish girls my age fighting ISIS while the military-capable migrants are fleeing.
I'm sceptical that Syrian migrants have near the same attachment to their state and it's current legal order - as Kurds have to their own.
It's not a great comparison.
Stronk Serb
March 20th, 2016, 04:10 PM
I'm sceptical that Syrian migrants have near the same attachment to their state and it's current legal order - as Kurds have to their own.
It's not a great comparison.
Okay, you had 15-year old Momčilo Gostić fighting in the Army of the Republic of Srpska after the Bosniaks butcjered his family. You had countless other cases were Serbs defended their land and when they had to flee, they fled to Serbia. Syrian women are cursing the migrants for abandoning them. If they treat their family like that, how will they treat others?
Vlerchan
March 20th, 2016, 04:22 PM
Okay, you had 15-year old Momčilo Gostić fighting in the Army of the Republic of Srpska after the Bosniaks butcjered his family. You had countless other cases were Serbs defended their land and when they had to flee, they fled to Serbia.
Like I just said: It doesn't seem like Syria has a nationalist spirit or - more likely - they don't have much love for the prevailing institutions. That's the difference here.
You can call Syrians cowards - or whatever - but there's nothing cowardly in refusing to fight in the name of something you manifestly don't believe in.
Syrian women are cursing the migrants for abandoning them. If they treat their family like that, how will they treat others?
The likelihood is that the demographic profile of Syrians is as it is - young and male - because these have fewer attachments and greater autonomy.
I've seen people cherrypick YouTube videos of a handful of presumed Syrian women bemoaning their men for abandoning them. But there's literally no reason to presume that this is generalisable to the whole.
Stronk Serb
March 20th, 2016, 04:59 PM
Like I just said: It doesn't seem like Syria has a nationalist spirit or - more likely - they don't have much love for the prevailing institutions. That's the difference here.
You can call Syrians cowards - or whatever - but there's nothing cowardly in refusing to fight in the name of something you manifestly don't believe in.
The likelihood is that the demographic profile of Syrians is as it is - young and male - because these have fewer attachments and greater autonomy.
I've seen people cherrypick YouTube videos of a handful of presumed Syrian women bemoaning their men for abandoning them. But there's literally no reason to presume that this is generalisable to the whole.
I've seen an article or two about it.
sqishy
March 20th, 2016, 07:17 PM
Yes, also the cowardice of the migrants. You have Kurdish girls my age fighting ISIS while the military-capable migrants are fleeing.
So, if a population is met with a force that threatens their way of life, you expect them to not be cowards and fight back. Fight pain, otherwise you are weak because you yielded to it. Because (least from what I hear from you) there has been an instance of a population resisting pain on many levels, that means that every other population in pain should too.
(Using the same logic, I can say that because one person who has overcome major depressive disorder, everyone else still in it should get their act together and not be so weak.)
Are you also saying that only girls are fighting IS? (I add that I feel the Kurds are partly involved in being against IS, because it is an opportunity to try and deal with the inter-border issue they got in the first place. That may make a lot of the motivation for the fighting.)
Do you also see the 'common' population as military-capable? What does 'military capable' mean for you? (So I understand better your view.)
I suspended "leaving aside [of] the complexity of different factors, such as of climate, resource distribution and abundance, initial stability of the region, and so on", to see what you're fundamentally seeing this as, which I assume is what you have just said.
Do you hold the same view, if we factor in all of the above?
Stronk Serb
March 21st, 2016, 02:19 AM
So, if a population is met with a force that threatens their way of life, you expect them to not be cowards and fight back. Fight pain, otherwise you are weak because you yielded to it. Because (least from what I hear from you) there has been an instance of a population resisting pain on many levels, that means that every other population in pain should too.
(Using the same logic, I can say that because one person who has overcome major depressive disorder, everyone else still in it should get their act together and not be so weak.)
Are you also saying that only girls are fighting IS? (I add that I feel the Kurds are partly involved in being against IS, because it is an opportunity to try and deal with the inter-border issue they got in the first place. That may make a lot of the motivation for the fighting.)
Do you also see the 'common' population as military-capable? What does 'military capable' mean for you? (So I understand better your view.)
I suspended "leaving aside [of] the complexity of different factors, such as of climate, resource distribution and abundance, initial stability of the region, and so on", to see what you're fundamentally seeing this as, which I assume is what you have just said.
Do you hold the same view, if we factor in all of the above?
Ok, to define "military-capable", healthy men, 18-40 years of age who are capable of military service. If you look at the migrant demographics, a large majority of them are military capable men.
Yes, we stood our ground in the totalitarian nineties, even though we could leave. The Nazis and the Central Powers threatened our way of life in both world wars and we fought them. It is not about weakness, it is about fighting for what's right, just how the Irish fought for their independence. The majority of the population could just get on a boat to America and start a new life, but they fought English opression. There are countless instances throughout history where nations stood their ground despite everything.
About the girls remark, I mentioned that because you have an awful lot of migrants who look pretty strong, but are fkeeing and fighting border police. You also have girls fightibg ISIS, even though they are physically weaker for combat roles. Government forces are male-dominated.
I still hold the same views, the migrants we see here aren't poor, they wear brand clothing, use iPhones and selfie sticks. In some cases just the items on them cost more than my mother earns in a whlle year. About resource distribution, they are richer than your average Serb, like my parents. Assad will win now and stability will be restored and Syria will be rebuilt to it's pre-war glory.
sqishy
March 22nd, 2016, 03:49 PM
Ok, to define "military-capable", healthy men, 18-40 years of age who are capable of military service. If you look at the migrant demographics, a large majority of them are military capable men.
I argue that it does not need to just be men, if you want 'military-capable people', but a side topic I know.
Yes, we stood our ground in the totalitarian nineties, even though we could leave.
I note that totalitarian states are less chaotic or generally unpredictable than the situation in Syria and nearby.
The Nazis and the Central Powers threatened our way of life in both world wars and we fought them. It is not about weakness, it is about fighting for what's right, just how the Irish fought for their independence. The majority of the population could just get on a boat to America and start a new life, but they fought English opression. There are countless instances throughout history where nations stood their ground despite everything.
Nations may have, because they had a collective morally backed-up mindset regarding an opposing force.
The Syrians/etc have been through a lot of war already, I may remind. Perhaps they have given up at this stage, and (with keeping in mind factors of climate etc, as before) they are demoralised and just want to run. I know I would, even if I were patriotic.
I will also add that many people did leave the scene of war, or yielded to the opposition for keeping their life, for other situations. The lesser proportion who did this, relative to Syria/etc, does not mean it should be disregarded as not important.
Only some of a population will be willing to fight. The Easter Rising of 1916 was not welcomed by many Dubliners, because of the fear of this uprising not being sufficient and therefore result in punishment after its quenching, or because some just didn't see the need.
About the girls remark, I mentioned that because you have an awful lot of migrants who look pretty strong, but are fkeeing and fighting border police. You also have girls fightibg ISIS, even though they are physically weaker for combat roles. Government forces are male-dominated.
Government forces are male-dominated, yes - I attribute this to military in general having a majority of male people (relevant to that thread on 'gender roles in the military').
This goes with my point that it's not simply physical ability that is requirement to go fighting, as well as motivation not being something simple either.
I still hold the same views, the migrants we see here aren't poor, they wear brand clothing, use iPhones and selfie sticks. In some cases just the items on them cost more than my mother earns in a whlle year.
This assumes that if someone has a certain commodity (i.e. phones) that takes more effort to produce physically, it means they have other commodities that are easier to make (i.e. food).
Many families in Africa have phones, but are suffering from starvation. I blame this on the nature of economics sometimes having differing values between certain items that are not proportional. I do not see this justifying the view that the refugees are not poor.
About resource distribution, they are richer than your average Serb, like my parents.
Richer by how much, and in what ways (do you mean by simple amount of money one owns)?
Assad will win now and stability will be restored and Syria will be rebuilt to it's pre-war glory.
Hmmm.
Silicate Wielder
March 31st, 2016, 10:49 PM
It's indoctrination.
I mean it's perfectly fine to put some mild child cartoon propaganda in about being nice to all kids regardless of their looks (race) and that sharing is good.
But immigration supporting propaganda to fucken kindergarteners? ''My country your country'' I mean these kids don't really even know what a country is but the brainwashing is starting real damn early...
This sort of reminds me of that jesus camp documentary... My land is yours!!!! MY LAND IS YOURS!!!
This is a hell of a lot better than that ISIS is doing to recruit new members. I had to watch a video in my Social issues class showing five-year-olds (AND YOUNGER!!) were saying they hated america, Europe, Canada, France, etc, because their parents hated those countries and that was what they were taught. Let's not even mention the military training routines the shitheads in ISIS have teachers teaching kids the moment they're old enough to go to school.
You want to know what else? Our government can't do anything about the ISIS members that have infiltrated our country because the law prevents them from doing anything until they commit an act of terrorism.
Uniquemind
April 6th, 2016, 03:40 AM
Kids in my neighborhood would've been like "give me the candy or your house getting egged!"
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