4 year old sentenced to life imprisonment

[Atlantis]

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A four-year-old boy has been sentenced to life in prison after being found guilty on a murder charge.

Ahmed Mansour Karni wasn't in court on Tuesday when he was convicted and sentenced of the crime which it's said was committed two years ago - when he was just two-years-old.

The court in Western Cairo heard the case of Karni, who was listed as "wanted" for murder, disturbance of the peace and damaging state property.

The indictment stated the charges in full as four counts of murder, eight counts of attempted murder, vandalising property belonging to the Egyptian Health Administration in his home province of el-Fayoum, threatening soldiers and police officers and damaging vehicles belonging to security forces.

Defence lawyer Faisal a-Sayd said he believed the judge did not read the case.

"The child Ahmed Mansour Karni's birth certificate was presented after state security forces added his name to the list of accused, but then the case was transferred to the military court and the child was sentenced in absentia in an ensuing court hearing," he told The Jerusalem Post .

Lawyer Mohammed Abu Hurira said the case proved "there is no justice in Egypt... [It] is ruled by a bunch of lunatics."

Do you agree with this? Should a boy aged 4 be sentenced to life imprisonment, for something he did when he was only two years old?

PS. Not sure if this belonged here or in ROTW as it's more of an opinion, so yeah..

[Sublime Demonz]

How could a two year old murder someone?
The world never ceases to amaze me.

[Sailor Mars]

How could a two year old murder someone?
The world never ceases to amaze me.

This... Seriously. What the fuck?

[Jinglebottom]

I was just reading about this earlier. I'm not sure how to feel, you can't exactly hold a two year old responsible for his actions... Maybe monitor him more in the future, to make sure this incident wasn't an indication of developing psychopathy. Other than that you can't do much.

[Moriya]

I just...I mean....why would....You know what? I give up.

[Judean Zealot]

This is ridiculous.

[sqishy]

This is new to me : /

[Uranus]

What the actual fuck

[Jinglebottom]

Are they sure it wasn't someone else with the same name that committed the crime?

[dxcxdzv]

I was just reading about this earlier. I'm not sure how to feel, you can't exactly hold a two year old responsible for his actions... Maybe monitor him more in the future, to make sure this incident wasn't an indication of developing psychopathy. Other than that you can't do much.
Unless the murdered individuals were ants this child clearly did nothing.

PS: To be honest when I read the thread's name I thought it had happened in Texas. meh... Egypt. That was close.

[Emerald Dream]

Have to seriously question those who would charge a two year old (at the time) with murder. :|

[Sailor Mars]

Unless the murdered individuals were ants this child clearly did nothing.

PS: To be honest when I read the thread's name I thought it had happened in Texas. meh... Egypt. That was close.

I was actually thinking it was in America too. Way to be surprised huh

[Riley2015]

Where are they keeping him right now? in some kind of prison for toddlers? It is bizarre totally. So is the life sentence a proper life sentence or can he get parole one day? :confused:

[Falcons_11]

Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot!! :what:

I don't believe a kid that young even knows what murder and vandalism are.
But, in that part of the world anything is possible as the report of teen being executed by ISIL for listening to "western music" and being late to prayer!

[Uniquemind]

This proves adults are just big babies and bullies hiding behind "laws and rules" of "fairness".

[lyhom]

what

[Karkat]

I've known the law was fucked up, especially in some countries, but wow. The world never ceases to amaze me.

[Vlerchan]

I had a deeper look into it. It would seem that the child was sentenced alongside 100 or so other people for the crimes. Odds are it was a wrongful addition to some list their government drew up. I'm not sure whether it can be reversed but odds are the case will hopefully attract legal expertise that can help.

In the meantime though: poor kid.

This proves adults are just big babies and bullies hiding behind "laws and rules" of "fairness".
In fairness England as had a defence of infancy since the Medieval era. This was adopted in all the derivative common law states it colonised.

Incarcerating children hasn't been a common theme of Western legal history.

[Thunderstorm]

I don't agree. Stuff like this happens all the time. A toddler by accident grabs a gun and shoots-- it happens.

[Uniquemind]

So sad, such a failure for adults to manage a legal system that isn't fastidious enough to catch errors like this then.

If it isn't an error, it's gross mismanagement.

[Judean Zealot]

I would say that the issue here isn't that flaws occur in the system, but that Egypt's justice system currently allows for a defendant to be tried without once appearing in court. I kind of understand that given their national crisis they need to crack down heavily (think Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War and François Hollande's enshrinement of emergency powers in the constitution), but the absolute removal of any sort of judicial process is a little much - especially since Sisi's government is not a legitimate one, in that it does not derive it's power from the people.

[Porpoise101]

Ok I think that it is better to imprison the whelp now when his life has not been increased in value then later when he has duties and responsibilities to family, employers, and the community. But I also think that it would be such a waste to keep him locked up. So to me there is two options: monitoring to see if he is ok or execution.

[Hudor]

I can only imagine what the jury would have gone through dictating the sentence if he/she would have some scrap of sense.

[Exocet]

Well,this shows that the justice in Egypt is equal.

[Chapperz16]

Harsh judical system but if they deal with 4yr olds like this then I'd deduce that the judicial system is effective for people who are older

[TeenPortland]

This is nuts
Even if he did do something bad his brain is completely undeveloped
He cannot be held accountable for anything at that age, except MAYBE to attempt to teach him a lesson
If anything he should be committed to a mental hospital until he matures, with the right education and full access to his parents, but maybe with their decision making rights removed because of there clear inability to nurture him.

[Vlerchan]

An Egyptian military court made a mistake by sentencing a four-year-old boy to life in prison for murder last week, the military has acknowledged.
Spokesman Col Mohammed Samir said the court should have sentenced a 16-year-old with a similar name instead.

Ahmed Mansour Qurani Ali was convicted along with 115 others in connection with riots by Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Fayoum province in 2014.

His lawyer had submitted documents proving that he was one at the time.

In a post on Facebook (in Arabic), Col Samir said Ahmed Mansour Qurani Sharara, 16, should have been sentenced and not Ahmed Mansour Qurani Ali.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35633314

[Jinglebottom]

I had fun scrolling through that Facebook post's comments. The people are outraged lol.

[Bluebyrd]

I have absolutely no idea how to feel about this. How is it even possible?

[Reghan]

A 2 year old doesn't really know the difference between right and wrong......