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Stronk Serb
February 11th, 2016, 08:07 PM
So, ask me any question related to anything Slavic and I will be happy to answer. If you want to talk linguistics, I can tell you about Serbian and it's variations spoken in Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Montenegro.

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Kahn
February 11th, 2016, 10:40 PM
Stronk Serb

This may be a bit of a broad question but since I know absolutely nothing about the Slavic region of the world, could you summarize it's history post-Columbus America?

Capto
February 12th, 2016, 01:39 AM
What do you think about the idea that the de facto status as the official language of SFR Yugoslavia that Srpskohrvatski or Hrvatsosrpski contributed significantly to the maintenance and heightening of cultural and ethnic tensions between Croats and Serbs. This is, of course, in contrast to older, more fantastic ideals and possibilities for labeling a common language such as that posited by the Illyrian movement.

To that extent, how did the interplay between Karadžić's and Gaj's Cyrillic and Latin alphabets respectively affect interethnic relations?

Stronk Serb
February 12th, 2016, 06:13 AM
Stronk Serb

This may be a bit of a broad question but since I know absolutely nothing about the Slavic region of the world, could you summarize it's history post-Columbus America?

Ther is no Slavic region, only the people. In the area where the West Slavs live, on today's eastern border if Germany, the Kingom of Bohemia and Poland existed but were shortly annexed, the South Slavic peoples lived either under Ottoman or Austrian boots.

What do you think about the idea that the de facto status as the official language of SFR Yugoslavia that Srpskohrvatski or Hrvatsosrpski contributed significantly to the maintenance and heightening of cultural and ethnic tensions between Croats and Serbs. This is, of course, in contrast to older, more fantastic ideals and possibilities for labeling a common language such as that posited by the Illyrian movement.

To that extent, how did the interplay between Karadžić's and Gaj's Cyrillic and Latin alphabets respectively affect interethnic relations?

Well, the Serbs spoke the same language and used the Cyrillic alphabet, while the Croats use the Latin alphabet. Also there are minir differences in grammar and some differences in words. The rise of Croatian nationalism and Ustashism served as a catalyst to the rise of Serbian Chetnikism. I think their nationalism stems from their Nazi puppet state since they don't have a lot of history in the modern era. Since theur middke ages, they have been truly independent for about 24 years. Serbian nationalism is a counterweight to that. I also think they were shamed for Ustashism, which also led to the rise. I agree they could've renamed the language union to Yugoslav or something more original. Gaj's Cyrillic didn't really play a role in interethnic relations.

tovaris
February 12th, 2016, 09:01 AM
@Capto (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=83422)

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I agree they could've renamed the language union to Yugoslav or something more original.
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I would like to ad here that it was atempted to create a all Yugoslav language many times. Lets remembre that serbo-croat was only the comunicative language at first ment to be temporary. They tried to create a all Yugoslav language but failed, to quote a slovenian writer who participated "Tehre simply is no Yugoslav language". The serbo-croat tipe solotion has existed since the time of kings Yugosllavia when the ofitial language was serbo-croat-slovenian.

phuckphace
February 12th, 2016, 09:55 PM
how does modern Slavic paganism work, given that it originally went extinct a long time ago and much of it went unrecorded? seems like there's too much about its rituals and cosmology lost to history to make it workable now.

Stronk Serb
February 13th, 2016, 04:06 AM
how does modern Slavic paganism work, given that it originally went extinct a long time ago and much of it went unrecorded? seems like there's too much about its rituals and cosmology lost to history to make it workable now.

It works, not as good as it used to be. The rituals are forgotten by us, but there are Byzantine and Roman Catholic sources, so the most important aspects have returned, like the calendar, the deities and days celebrating certain deities. It's under constant attack by the church, but most modern pagans I met are pretty conservative and patriotic.

Judean Zealot
February 13th, 2016, 10:05 AM
Stronk Serb

To what extent is the Slavic cosmology an allegorical representation of the universe as opposed to a literal account?

The enlightened Greeks, for example, saw their pantheon not as independent deities, but as allegorical representations of the forces of nature - subject to the Cause of causes.

Stronk Serb
February 13th, 2016, 03:30 PM
Stronk Serb

To what extent is the Slavic cosmology an allegorical representation of the universe as opposed to a literal account?

The enlightened Greeks, for example, saw their pantheon not as independent deities, but as allegorical representations of the forces of nature - subject to the Cause of causes.

We see it in a similar way, Svarog is the god of Sun, but je did not create it, for example. Perun is the god of thunder, but he did not create it but it is believed he causes it. If you want me to elaborate on it, I can tomorrow when I get to my computer. There is so much to write. I can also give you some articles.

Judean Zealot
February 13th, 2016, 03:33 PM
We see it in a similar way, Svarog is the god of Sun, but je did not create it, for example. Perun is the god of thunder, but he did not create it but it is believed he causes it. If you want me to elaborate on it, I can tomorrow when I get to my computer. There is so much to write. I can also give you some articles.

Yes, I would appreciate that. :D

phuckphace
February 14th, 2016, 12:31 PM
who had more hitpoints, Perun or Veles?

I like old stuff like this, it's fascinating. the mythological parallels between ancient European religions are interesting - you have wonder just how far back into prehistory it went (I'd say pretty far).

Stronk Serb
February 14th, 2016, 05:14 PM
Yes, I would appreciate that. :D

Here you go, the Wikipedia article is pretty accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_mythology

who had more hitpoints, Perun or Veles?

I like old stuff like this, it's fascinating. the mythological parallels between ancient European religions are interesting - you have wonder just how far back into prehistory it went (I'd say pretty far).

Well, according to the old Slavic calendar which was based on the ends and the begginings of the seasons states it's the year 7743 or something like that, not entirely sure. So yeah, it dates 5 to almost six thousand years before Christ, putting it in prehistory.

I think Veles had more hitpoints, but against Christ, Dažbog had the best armor and incoming damage reduction and an increase in damage dealt. During the Christianisation era, Slavs referred to Dažbog as the arch-enemy of Christ. By traditional belief, Serbs are the grandchildren od Dažbog, the Wolves People.

phuckphace
February 15th, 2016, 12:47 AM
"Mr Šešelj, I understand one of your main goals was to remove kebabs from the ancestral lands and restore Svarog's glorious temple, why is this so important to you?"

"because it's 7743?" *lighting bolt*

Stronk Serb
February 15th, 2016, 05:17 AM
"Mr Šešelj, I understand one of your main goals was to remove kebabs from the ancestral lands and restore Svarog's glorious temple, why is this so important to you?"

"because it's 7743?" *lighting bolt*

Nah, he's more an Orthodox Christian.