Why are Europeans always called racists,nazi etc. ?

[Exocet]

I remarked that when Europeans are against multiculturalism or the mass immigration we are actually facing,the only answer they get is "You are racist,you are nazi!".
What's the point of this ?

[Judean Zealot]

I remarked that when an European is against multiculturalism or the mass immigration we are actually facing,the only answer they get is "You are racist,you are nazi!".
What's the point of this ?

It's not only Europeans. It's any Nationalists. Haven't you ever heard the Zionism= Nazism trope?

But about Europe, it could be that the right's methods are more violent than necessary; I imagine a more polished image would help somewhat.

[phuckphace]

racist = a white person who prefers to live among other whites

xenophobe = a white person who prefers his own culture over foreign cultures, and/or rejects unlimited mass immigration from the Third World

bigot = someone who feels disgust at openly crass sexual behavior

nativist = a white person who doesn't believe his country should be opened up as a welfare state for the world

fascist = a social conservative, or anyone who rejects individualism to any degree

Neo-Nazi = anyone to the right of Marx and Engels

Hitler = any politician to the right of Marx and Engels

misogynist = a white male who believes in traditional gender roles

anti-Semite = a white person who criticizes or disagrees with, however lightly, any statement or action by a Jewish person

Islamophobe = a white person who criticizes or disagrees with, however lightly, any statement or action by a Muslim, and/or rejects Muslim immigration

isolationist = anyone in favor of economic policies that seek to curtail international influence in national politics to any degree


hope this helps

[Ragle]

Only right-minded Europeans are against immigration and multiculturalism. Most are the nationalists. Besides Europe has always been multicultural. That's why I assume such folk must be idiots.

[Judean Zealot]

anti-Semite = a white person who criticizes or disagrees with, however lightly, any statement or action by a Jewish person

I've heard worse.

"I got pulled over the other day by some n----- cop. He gave me a ticket for speeding."

"Yeah, probably was a stupid anti-semite."

I'm dead serious, I've heard this many times.

[West Coast Sheriff]

I've never heard that about Europeans honestly, maybe because you live there and I live elsewhere. Here aka America, we hear about how awful racist people we are and that we should actually be more like those Europeans—specifically Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Switzerland.

People are just at a height of accusing others. It's both comforting yet worrisome to know America isn't the only place with counter-culture attacking the mainstream in an effort to reverse their roles as the dominant principles in society.

[Exocet]

Only right-minded are Europeans are against immigration and multiculturalism. Most are the nationalists. Besides Europe has always been multicultural. That's why I assume such folk must be idiots.

We are already multicultural....
We have Swedes,Finns,Germans,Italians,Spanish,Serbs,Poles etc. No need for more.

[tovaris]

Americans 1 dont know what racism is (ARABS ARE FUCKING WHITE YOU IDIOTS!!!), 2 they cant think of a good insult.
+we have germans and germans are actualy evil, and sice muricans dont know where germany is....

[phuckphace]

(ARABS ARE FUCKING WHITE YOU IDIOTS!!!)

what

[tovaris]

what
Arabs are same race as Europeans. If you are going to talk about races and racism, pleas brush up on your racial politics.

[Jinglebottom]

Arabs are same race as Europeans. If you are going to talk about races and racism, pleas brush up on your racial politics.
The more you know...

[tovaris]

The more you know...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid
tho negroid is nlonger as wide as it used to be, now we say thre is also the oceanian race

[Stronk Serb]

Only right-minded Europeans are against immigration and multiculturalism. Most are the nationalists. Besides Europe has always been multicultural. That's why I assume such folk must be idiots.

Yes, and the native European cultures became pretty chill towards eachother in the last few decades, but when you add a large amount of Muslims and liberals, you get Stockholm the rape capital of Europe, the rape of Cologne and migrants causing problems. The European cultures are both similar in customs and religion that they can peacefully coexist, but when you add a large amount of people from and agressive and oppressive area, you get Europistan.

We are already multicultural....
We have Swedes,Finns,Germans,Italians,Spanish,Serbs,Poles etc. No need for more.

Not to mention a few stateless cultures which peacefully exist in countries like the Cincars, Luzice Serbs (called Sorbs by the Germans). Then if you go to the Middle East and see how the Kurds are treated, you cringe at Turkish and Iraqi barbarism.

[Ragle]

The European cultures are both similar in customs and religion that they can peacefully coexist, but when you add a large amount of people from and agressive and oppressive area, you get Europistan.

Bah. These are just throes of a development to a new cultural cooperation or so. Muslims live for decades among us and are now part of European cultures. It's just those right-winged idiots who foment fear by hyping such right-winged Idiotistan-attacks.

[dxcxdzv]

The European cultures are both similar in customs and religion that they can peacefully coexist, but when you add a large amount of people from and agressive and oppressive area, you get Europistan.
The main reason why us, Europeans (or at least Westerners) peacefully coexist is that several decades ago we've been stupid enough to think that people should be treated according to their origins. That put a so godamn mess that we became totally disgusted from war (at least on our soil).
(Yeah I know, many factors led to WWII actually)

[Exocet]

Bah. These are just throes of a development to a new cultural cooperation or so. Muslims live for decades among us and are now part of European cultures. It's just those right-winged idiots who foment fear by hyping such right-winged Idiotistan-attacks.

ROFL,Moslems are slaughtering other Moslems and you expect us,the Kuffars (as we are called) to 'coexist' with 'em?
Madrid,London,Paris. It was just the start.

[tovaris]

/.../
and Switzerland.
/.../


The country that by referendum practicaly banned imigration FROM THE EU. *


*ok not baned but put severe restrictions on all including EU imigration

[Porpoise101]

what
A Christian Arab looks like a Greek to me. Even Berbers could assimilate into whiteness. This is why race is dumb.

[Stronk Serb]

Bah. These are just throes of a development to a new cultural cooperation or so. Muslims live for decades among us and are now part of European cultures. It's just those right-winged idiots who foment fear by hyping such right-winged Idiotisatan-attacks.

No, they are not European. They don't live here for hundreds or thousands of years, hell many cringe at calling themselves European. You think it's fear-fometing when you mention what happens when you import a million of them? The rape of Cologne, that stabbing at that Migrant Children center. If they were culturally cooperative, they wouldn't act so agressivelly against us. The liberals say we must respect their "culture", what happened to them respecting the host's culture?

The main reason why us, Europeans (or at least Westerners) peacefully coexist is that several decades ago we've been stupid enough to think that people should be treated according to their origins. That put a so godamn mess that we became totally disgusted from war (at least on our soil).
(Yeah I know, many factors led to WWII actually)

Not by their origins, but by some superstition that some people are more superior to the others. I find it funny how Hitler liked the Muslim fanatics. If he woke up from the grave now, he would cringe.

[Vlerchan]

No, they are not European. They don't live here for hundreds of thousands of years[.]
This is a purely ad hoc classification of Europeanism. It's meaningless.

[...] hell many cringe at calling themselves European.
You have this odd habit of claiming that because something holds through for some subset s it holds through for all elements in S. That some people reject their national or regional identification does not mean that all others sharing similar characteristics must.

Not to mention that there's Muslim-majority states in the most commonly-accepted definition of Europe.

If they were culturally cooperative, they wouldn't act so agressivelly against us.
There it is again. Let be generous and say you referred to 20 people in your description and let's be even more generous and reduce these people to the characteristic of being muslim - because that must have been the driver.

In what universe can we then begin to use the descriptor 'they'?

The liberals say we must respect their "culture", what happened to them respecting the host's culture?
I feel like I've heard the liberals use the term 'deportation'.

After a meeting with her party on Saturday, Mrs Merkel promised that her government would amend the law to make it easier to deport asylum-seekers who commit crimes.

“We have to consider when someone forfeits their right to our hospitality,” said Mrs Merkel. “When crimes are committed, and people place themselves outside the law, there must be consequences.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12090750/German-law-should-be-toughened-to-ease-deportation-of-migrants-says-Angela-Merkel.html

I feel this because I actually have.

Not by their origins, but by some superstition that some people are more superior to the others.
Nationalism was around longer than 1933 - 1945.

These people were "more superior to the other" based on their origins.

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For clarification: For the most part nationalism hasn't existed as an ethnosupremacist phenomenon. It nonetheless has existed prior and succeeding this to pit nations against one other - eschewing cooperation.

Yes, and the native European cultures became pretty chill towards eachother in the last few decades[.]
What do you think caused this?

The European cultures are both similar in customs and religion that they can peacefully coexist[.]
But it took them hundreds of thousands of years [citation needed] to become "pretty chill towards each other".

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I've also explained cologne - based around the alienated unemployed male hypothesis - and Sweden - based around higher levels of counting since 2005 - before.

[tovaris]

A Christian Arab looks like a Greek to me. Even Berbers could assimilate into whiteness. This is why race is dumb.

Arabs ARE alredy white (caucasian) why is race so hard to grasp for you angloamericans?

[Judean Zealot]

Arabs ARE alredy white (caucasian) why is race so hard to grasp for you angloamericans?

Are Jews?

If yes, will you agree that Jews are not a distinct racial identity?

[tovaris]

Are Jews?

If yes, will you agree that Jews are not a distinct racial identity?

Jews and Arabs are botsh semites, of course two tribes of the same supertibal group are of the sane race

[Porpoise101]

I say that the people from Antioch south to Ethiopia, and west to Agadir is semitic.

Iranians, North Indians, and ALL of Europe is IE. I don't exclude Anatolian Turks, because they have only a little of the Asian genes and are mostly descended from IE Hittites and also Greeks. In fact, most euros are a mix of three waves, one from Ice Age populations, one from the Middle East bringing agriculture, and the Proto Indo-Europeans. It is theorized that the Basque language is a holdover from these older cultures. Indians from the north also mixed with Dravidians and Austrasian groups. Dravidians are Southern Indians and the Austrasians are what you find on Sri Lanka (not Tamil part) and Maldives.

Africans are actually a whole mix of "races", but usually have some Bantu DNA as they migrated northward.

Asia is a mess. It's incredibly dumb for Americans to say they are one. Furthermore, race isn't a good indication of behaviors, so it's irrelevant compared to culture. Culture determines beliefs, actions, ideological positions (sometimes), and economic patterns.

[Judean Zealot]

Jews and Arabs are botsh semites, of course two tribes of the same supertibal group are of the sane race

So basically your screaming about how Arabs are the same race as Europeans is more or less meaningless, as in any event they are Semitic while the Europeans are not.

[tovaris]

So basically your screaming about how Arabs are the same race as Europeans is more or less meaningless, as in any event they are Semitic while the Europeans are not.

What? I only explaned to your question that jews and arabs are white

[Judean Zealot]

What? I only explaned to your question that jews and arabs are white

When you posted this crap:
Americans 1 dont know what racism is (ARABS ARE FUCKING WHITE YOU IDIOTS!!!)

you implied that anti-arabism isn't some sort of racism, yet you freely admit that Arabs are a separate ethnic identity (semitism), thus undermining your previous claim.

[tovaris]

When you posted this crap:


you implied that anti-arabism isn't some sort of racism, yet you freely admit that Arabs are a separate ethnic identity (semitism), thus undermining your previous claim.


Erm YES there is the Caucase race, which devides further into supertribal/national groups, which devide further into nations nations devide into tribes, tribes devide into cooperatives and cooperatives are formed of families. Realy simple. Its different ethnic group within one race.

[Ragle]

No, they are not European. They don't live here for hundreds or thousands of years, hell many cringe at calling themselves European.

Then I can't claim to be a European. Because I only live for about a decade and a bit above here. And who says, I still grown up with this culture, cause I'm born here, I can say that my Turkish and Vietnamese friends were born and grew up here too. And maybe they are even more familiar in that European culture stuff than I am.


You think it's fear-fometing when you mention what happens when you import a million of them? The rape of Cologne, that stabbing at that Migrant Children center. If they were culturally cooperative, they wouldn't act so agressivelly against us. The liberals say we must respect their "culture", what happened to them respecting the host's culture?

Millions? There are no millions ... if you count all the refugees. These folks aren't immigrants, cause their stay is just a temporary thing. So far.

And who please is acting that aggressive? If I think about it, it's just a bunch of idiots. Just criminals to me. And some of them even are converts. To be exact: Europeans.

My view is, that actions of a few are medially just populistically blown up.

[tovaris]

Then I can't claim to be a European. Because I only live for about a decade and a bit above here. And who says, I still grown up with this culture, cause I'm born here, I can say that my Turkish and Vietnamese friends were born and grew up here too. And maybe they are even more familiar in that European culture stuff than I am.
/.../.
This is not about colture, this is about blod and relations. Someone with a X pasport isnt X if he isnt decendet from X people

[Babs]

http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/a/a6/Caucasus_regions_map.png/450px-Caucasus_regions_map.png
Not even all of Europe is in the Caucasus region. caucasian =/= white and white =/= caucasian, if we want to get technical here.

[Porpoise101]

image (http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/a/a6/Caucasus_regions_map.png/450px-Caucasus_regions_map.png)
Not even all of Europe is in the Caucasus region. caucasian =/= white and white =/= caucasian, if we want to get technical here.
It's called Caucasian because some race "scientist" thought that Georgians were the archetypal white man.

[tovaris]

It's called Caucasian because some race "scientist" thought that Georgians were the archetypal white man.
yeah and the name stuck, youll still find the subcatorigation as semite, hamitic and aryan. But moder science uses genetics and language wo we have these supertribal gorups: Slavs, Germanians, Arabs, Jews

[Stronk Serb]

Then I can't claim to be a European. Because I only live for about a decade and a bit above here. And who says, I still grown up with this culture, cause I'm born here, I can say that my Turkish and Vietnamese friends were born and grew up here too. And maybe they are even more familiar in that European culture stuff than I am.




Millions? There are no millions ... if you count all the refugees. These folks aren't immigrants, cause their stay is just a temporary thing. So far.

And who please is acting that aggressive? If I think about it, it's just a bunch of idiots. Just criminals to me. And some of them even are converts. To be exact: Europeans.

My view is, that actions of a few are medially just populistically blown up.

You can assimilate as much as you want, but unless you have a blood bond to it, you are technically not European. Can I go to Japan, assimilate perfectly and call myself and be called Japanese? No. I am not even Asian in that regard. There are about 1-2 million refugees in Europe. 922,000 passed through Serbia alone.

[lliam]

You can assimilate as much as you want, but unless you have a blood bond to it, you are technically not European.


Right in some points. But don't you think that this hooey about blood ties is a little bit racist?

What else as an European should a person, e.g born in Vietnam, identify him/herself who was adopted as a baby by Europeans and grew up with "the culture" of Europe?


Not to mention Americans as an example.

[Stronk Serb]

Right in some points. But don't you think that this hooey about blood ties is a little bit racist?

What else as an European should a person, e.g born in Vietnam, identify him/herself who was adopted as a baby by Europeans and grew up with "the culture" of Europe?


Not to mention Americans as an example.

Americans and Australians/New Zealanders are descendants of European cultures. It's not racist. Would Africans take me seriously if I was raised by Africans and then I kept rubbing everyone's nose how I'm African. Well, that person can consider hinself a citizen of Europe because he is literally raised in that culture. That person would be widely accepted, but not as one of the "family", but as an honoured guest, that family friend you always have one extra bed and meal for.

[Ragle]

Americans and Australians/New Zealanders are descendants of European cultures. It's not racist.


No offense, I think that's racism. Because you haven't mentioned the descendants of African, Asian, Oriental etc immigrants. And thus the fact that these descendants also seeing themselfs as Americans. And their cultures. And I bet, they feeling America too.

I heard, sometimes these Americans aren't fully accepted by descendants of European immigrants as American citizens.

People of other races and cultures struggling with the same problem in Europe. But they still are Europeans, even if they are still living the culture of their ancestors.

I think it's kinda ignorant to say they do not belong here.

[phuckphace]

No offense, I think that's racism. Because you haven't mentioned the descendants of African, Asian, Oriental etc immigrants. And thus the fact that these descendants also seeing themselfs as Americans. And their cultures. And I bet, they feeling America too.

I heard, sometimes these Americans aren't fully accepted by descendants of European immigrants as American citizens.

People of other races and cultures struggling with the same problem in Europe. But they still are Europeans, even if they are still living the culture of their ancestors.

I think it's kinda ignorant to say they do not belong here.

move to Asia and try to LARP as an Asian, see how far that gets you. especially if you try the "ugh ignorant" line on them :lol3:

FWIW the term "European" as used here is an ethno-cultural term, despite the intelligentsia's attempts to redefine it

[Ragle]

Why should I? I know, that there live same ignorants like in Europe or elsewhere.

I grow up at least with four really different cultures in my family. Hence, that people of another race and culture are never completely accepted here and there isn't by no means unknown to me. Just among my relatives.

Also I just post my personal opinion. I noticed that it isn't so convincing, but the opinions of others here also haven't convinced me very much so far, although I partly share some opinions.

[Porpoise101]

move to Asia and try to LARP as an Asian, see how far that gets you. especially if you try the "ugh ignorant" line on them :lol3: If you breed into the society it doesn't matter eventually, given that the said group only comes in one wave *cough* Mexicans *cough*

[Stronk Serb]

No offense, I think that's racism. Because you haven't mentioned the descendants of African, Asian, Oriental etc immigrants. And thus the fact that these descendants also seeing themselfs as Americans. And their cultures. And I bet, they feeling America too.

I heard, sometimes these Americans aren't fully accepted by descendants of European immigrants as American citizens.

People of other races and cultures struggling with the same problem in Europe. But they still are Europeans, even if they are still living the culture of their ancestors.

I think it's kinda ignorant to say they do not belong here.

Did I state anywhere that ethnic non-Europeans are in any way inferior to Europeans, or that they should be institutionally discriminated? That's a racist statememt, not what I stated. I just stated the obvious that I, a born Serb and 1/4 Hungarian cannot call myself a Japanese, even if I was raised in Japan and lived there forever. I can't call myself a Zulu tribesman, I am not black nor do I share the ancestry of any of the tribes. Can I be Iranian? No, I am not a descendant of their long-lasting and beautiful heritage. This goes only for the nation-states, the former colonies are essentially boiling pots of cultures, in some cases for the worst or in some for the better. I don't have a problem with a Cambodian having for example German citizenship and being by law equally treated like a German. I just don't see him as European as I would se Sturmtrupp Hans. Anyone can be an American, but Europeans are an ethno-cultural group. Only by being descendant of one are you actually European. Do you see any pure whites with full white ancestors claiming to be Native Americans or their descendants? No, you don't because even if they assimilated, they would never be accepted as into the tribe like a Native or Native descendant would.

[Porpoise101]

I don't have a problem with a Cambodian having for example German citizenship and being by law equally treated like a German. I just don't see him as European as I would se Sturmtrupp Hans.
To me that is an issue. Many legal immigrants cannot get citizenship to Europe so they become a dirty foreign underclass.

I agree with the rest though.

[Stronk Serb]

To me that is an issue. Many legal immigrants cannot get citizenship to Europe so they become a dirty foreign underclass.

I agree with the rest though.

You can if you are born there, have a parent who is a citizen or marry a European citizen. Yes, it's hard for non-Europeans to get citizenship, but that's Europe for you.

[Ragle]

Did I state anywhere that ethnic non-Europeans are in any way inferior to Europeans, or that they should be institutionally discriminated?


Well, I didn't impute this to you. Also I know exactly what you wanted to say.

But in my opinion, a person who grew up with a culture due to certain circumstances, is simply a part of this culture is, even if he racially doesn't correspond to the majority of the group of that culture. Whether that majority accepts it or not, does not matter, he still is one of them.

Otherwise he has no other cultural roots and will never be part of the culture of his genetic ancestors. I know this from personal experience. I actually have the "choice" between four cultures, err, three, since we talking about one culture.

All the grandparents generation of my family argues namely like you. Unlike those olds, the children's and grandchildren's generation see themself of course as Europeans, even those whose appearance is rather more exotic.

[Porpoise101]

Well, I didn't impute this to you. Also I know exactly what you wanted to say.

But in my opinion, a person who grew up with a culture due to certain circumstances, is simply a part of this culture is, even if he racially doesn't correspond to the majority of the group of that culture. Whether that majority accepts it or not, does not matter, he still is one of them.

Otherwise he has no other cultural roots and will never be part of the culture of his genetic ancestors. I know this from personal experience. I actually have the "choice" between four cultures, err, three, since we talking about one culture.

All the grandparents generation of my family argues namely like you. Unlike those olds, the children's and grandchildren's generation see themself of course as Europeans, even those whose appearance is rather more exotic.
I also agree with this somewhat. Since I'm half white American and half-Indian, many Indians don't accept me in their culture fully (as they should) and most Americans accept me.

[Stronk Serb]

Well, I didn't impute this to you. Also I know exactly what you wanted to say.

But in my opinion, a person who grew up with a culture due to certain circumstances, is simply a part of this culture is, even if he racially doesn't correspond to the majority of the group of that culture. Whether that majority accepts it or not, does not matter, he still is one of them.

Otherwise he has no other cultural roots and will never be part of the culture of his genetic ancestors. I know this from personal experience. I actually have the "choice" between four cultures, err, three, since we talking about one culture.

All the grandparents generation of my family argues namely like you. Unlike those olds, the children's and grandchildren's generation see themself of course as Europeans, even those whose appearance is rather more exotic.

It truly depends on the culture the person grew up in. For example in America he would broadly be accepted as American, while in a nation-state like Serbia which has always maintained it's distinct national identity, you cannot legitimately consider yourself a Serb without a blood bond to the Serbian people. For example, @Porpoise has Serbian ancestors. If he knew our customs, he would be acceoted as a Serb, learning the language is secondary, but appreciated. Essentially anyone who doesn't shun his Serbian ancestors and knows the customs can legitimately consider himself a Serb. In some other cultures you would need to know the language and would need to be of closer ethnic ties, but it depends on the culture etc.

[Ragle]

So we now talk no longer about Europe but about the sensitivities of single European countries?

As for this I really can't disagree, even if I don't give up personal my views.



A branch of my family are Indian too. When they describe India, country and people, from their visits there, this descriptions often differentiate not a bit from the views of the white, British branch of the family.

Despite a deliberately preserved distance to the daily grind of the white British folks, they are very nationally standardized towards the UK. I think, they are very conservative.

My conclusion is, our Indian branch became nut fully, but very British long ago, even they denie that every time I mention it.

[Stronk Serb]

So we now talk no longer about Europe but about the sensitivities of single European countries?

As for this I really can't disagree, even if I don't give up personal my views.



A branch of my family are Indian too. When they describe India, country and people, from their visits there, this descriptions often differentiate not a bit from the views of the white, British branch of the family.

Despite a deliberately preserved distance to the daily grind of the white British folks, they are very nationally standardized towards the UK. I think, they are very conservative.

My conclusion is, our Indian branch became nut fully, but very British long ago, even they denie that every time I mention it.

Europe is a continen. Different cultures live there, no culture has the same standards but they are European. Like I said, it depends on the culture if they will accept you as one of their own.