Why not Trump?

[DriveAlive]

In almost every discussion on presidential candidates, someone is sure to say how Trump is not a serious candidate or would be a terrible president. What exactly about Trump's proposed policies do you disagree with that make him such a terrible choice for president?

[Chapperz16]

I strongly disagree with his closed door policy for Muslims as whilst I understand the idea that they do present a threat and that the risk of terrorism from immigration is high; we cannot discriminate against the entire faith. America is built on a history of immigration and there have been many prominent Muslims who have made America what it is today. To ban entry to a single religious group is in any case an obvious example of religious prejudice. To say that ISIS represents Islam in its entirety is misleading as the world is full of many who practice the Islamic faith but who have integrated within society well. I'd say that if we put the Islamic faith into contempt then surely we must do the same with Christianity for there are extreme groups who preach Christian values and doctrines and who use violence to achieve their goal.

[Vlerchan]

I'll reiterate my belief that the president is weak vis-á-vis congress - and more-so when we consider the civil service. The president's actual power lies not in their position but in their large base of votes and persuasive abilities built on that. Notice that Obama has been quite incapable of achieving things. He was able to leverage his popular support at one stage but that's been used up and now he's impotent [....]

[....] I'm imag[in]ing similar results for Trump. Even though it's a Republican house. There's precedent for this. Carter went into the role of president at odds with establishment-liberals - and establishment-liberal egos - and preceded to get nothing done. Trump's bluster - and undermining of establishment-conservatives as independent actors in their constituents view - is bound to bring about similar results.

Given that: expect a slightly nastier establishment candidate.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3300205&postcount=50[indent]

His ego will undermine his dealings with Congress. On top of this he divides even Republicans.
His bombastic tone and approach to politics will undermine diplomatic relations.
Russophile.
His tax plan looks nice but the likelihood is that it would cleave open the deficit.
His stance on international trade is god-awful and more or less just a veneer for economic war against China.
He doesn't understand the economics of migration.
He thinks it's feasible to deport illegal immigrants at this late stage.
Etc.

[Shiny Moon]

He's xenophobic and racist. I don't know if he would be a good president or not and I don't care, I don't even live in the USA, but I'm pretty sure I would never vote a piece of crap like him.

[Chapperz16]

I'll reiterate my belief that the president is weak vis-á-vis congress - and more-so when we consider the civil service. The president's actual power lies not in their position but in their large base of votes and persuasive abilities built on that. Notice that Obama has been quite incapable of achieving things. He was able to leverage his popular support at one stage but that's been used up and now he's impotent [....]

[....] I'm imag[in]ing similar results for Trump. Even though it's a Republican house. There's precedent for this. Carter went into the role of president at odds with establishment-liberals - and establishment-liberal egos - and preceded to get nothing done. Trump's bluster - and undermining of establishment-conservatives as independent actors in their constituents view - is bound to bring about similar results.

Given that: expect a slightly nastier establishment candidate.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3300205&postcount=50[indent]

His ego will undermine his dealings with Congress. On top of this he divides even Republicans.
His bombastic tone and approach to politics will undermine diplomatic relations.
Russophile.
His tax plan looks nice but the likelihood is that it would cleave open the deficit.
His stance on international trade is god-awful and more or less just a veneer for economic war against China.
He doesn't understand the economics of migration.
He thinks it's feasible to deport illegal immigrants at this late stage.
Etc.

I agree completely with you, whilst people look at the presidency as a position of total power, it seems that the Senate holds the actual feasible power.

[West Coast Sheriff]

I can't stand his background. I'm a very conservative Christian, sorry if I offend anyone. I think trump is hateful towards Mexicans and Muslims. (I think the screening process needs work and I'm not super big on illegal immigration but his tone is just hateful). His background supports he supports liberal or as Sen. Cruz stated "New York values." He claims he wants to make America great again but nah he's just saying that. He doesnt have political experience. And government doesn't run like a business. Denvers former mayor and colorados current governor runs things like a business(he's a democrat btw). It's not great, my mom works in government and sees a lot of the problems. Also he's just not as civilized, professional or mannerly as other candidates.

Although I think he wouldn't make a good president, I hate the disrespect he gets. People should criticize him instead of insult him.

[StoppingTom]

I can't stand his background. I'm a very conservative Christian, sorry if I offend anyone. I think trump is hateful towards Mexicans and Muslims. (I think the screening process needs work and I'm not super big on illegal immigration but his tone is just hateful). His background supports he supports liberal or as Sen. Cruz stated "New York values." He claims he wants to make America great again but nah he's just saying that. He doesnt have political experience. And government doesn't run like a business. Denvers former mayor and colorados current governor runs things like a business(he's a democrat btw). It's not great, my mom works in government and sees a lot of the problems. Also he's just not as civilized, professional or mannerly as other candidates.

Although I think he wouldn't make a good president, I hate the disrespect he gets. People should criticize him instead of insult him.

I suppose the sentiment would be if he should be criticized instead of insulted, he should stop insulting others.

[phuckphace]

yo can somebody please explain what's with the "muh Muslims" line that always comes up when the God-Emperor is mentioned? Muslims are like .9% of our population and their contributions to our history (for better or for worse) are really, really insignificant as a whole. I get that there's a strong desire on the Left to signal that you aren't a nativist racist xenophobe Islamophobe bigot fascist, but nevertheless I'm having a really difficult time coming up with any accomplishments by Muslims in America that make them such sought-after guests. we've all heard the saccharine Statue of Lolberty poem but let me be the first to say that out of all the objections to the Man in the High Castle, the "muh Muslims" one doesn't really fly.

(see how I did that without going "hurr terrorism they're gonna kill us all"? that's gotta be worth something fam)

[RiHouse]

For me, it's not really his policies that bother me, even though I have plenty of problems with his proposed policies on Muslim identification and such, but my real problem with Trump is the way he treats America like a business. Everything is a transaction to him and he often shows this by selling his opinions and policies like a business man would. He uses simple language to appeal to the masses, and props to him because it clearly works, however for a country that is already neck-deep in shit at the moment, someone who has the speech level of a fourth grader (and no I'm not kidding he literally has the language level of a fourth graderhttp://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39031/trump-fourth-grade-level/) The fact that a man that thinks a million dollar loan is a "small" loan is running to be the leader of U.S is fucking terrifying.

I propose Clinton. That's right, not Sanders, Hilary fucking Clinton. She knows where it's at. and she isn't a socialist. Where was I going with this?

[Microcosm]

yo can somebody please explain what's with the "muh Muslims" line that always comes up when the God-Emperor is mentioned? Muslims are like .9% of our population and their contributions to our history (for better or for worse) are really, really insignificant as a whole. I get that there's a strong desire on the Left to signal that you aren't a nativist racist xenophobe Islamophobe bigot fascist, but nevertheless I'm having a really difficult time coming up with any accomplishments by Muslims in America that make them such sought-after guests. we've all heard the saccharine Statue of Lolberty poem but let me be the first to say that out of all the objections to the Man in the High Castle, the "muh Muslims" one doesn't really fly.

(see how I did that without going "hurr terrorism they're gonna kill us all"? that's gotta be worth something fam)

What does a white Christian provide for the U.S.? Well, he/she provides a working body and a contribution of beliefs among other things; furthermore, that person is allowed to live a free and good life under a country in which their rights are protected.

Why is that person to be treated any differently solely based on the fact that they are Muslim?

[DriveAlive]

Trump is not beholden to any political party. He will give jobs to those he thinks will do it the best (Did someone say Carl Icahn?). He is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and does not want to tax Americans to death. He wants to keep us out of foreign conflicts and not play world police. He is a master of the derail and will cut deals with both parties as long as it gets stuff done. He wants to keep Muslims out of the country.

Most of all, though, he inspires confidence and trust in the American people. The economy is based on public perception. If people are scared, the economy suffers. Trump has the power to stimulate the economy simply through inspiring people to trust in America again.

[Porpoise101]

yo can somebody please explain what's with the "muh Muslims" line that always comes up when the God-Emperor is mentioned? Muslims are like .9% of our population and their contributions to our history (for better or for worse) are really, really insignificant as a whole. I get that there's a strong desire on the Left to signal that you aren't a nativist racist xenophobe Islamophobe bigot fascist, but nevertheless I'm having a really difficult time coming up with any accomplishments by Muslims in America that make them such sought-after guests. we've all heard the saccharine Statue of Lolberty poem but let me be the first to say that out of all the objections to the Man in the High Castle, the "muh Muslims" one doesn't really fly.

(see how I did that without going "hurr terrorism they're gonna kill us all"? that's gotta be worth something fam)
I have a Syrian Muslim friend and I know many others. My grocery store is owned by a Muslim family. That is enough for me personally.

[Microcosm]

He wants to keep us out of foreign conflicts and not play world police.

Trump's foreign policy is wack. He wants to put ground troops in Syria and the Middle East only for monetary gain even when it's their land. Check out this garbage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZ6zfVpLwA

Also, he actually does want us to police the world. He said so in one of the earlier debates that other countries should "pay us" to police them or something like that. I can't seem to hunt down a video for you, but I remember him saying it.

He wants to keep Muslims out of the country.


Nobody can actually explain why this is a good thing.

Most of all, though, he inspires confidence and trust in the American people.


I would say he inspires a unified hatred in the American people against minorities and other vulnerable groups.

(against poor people living on food stamps and fat people):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGWtIICb3o

(kicked out of rally for being a Muslim; also, note that members of the crowd are the once being so disgusting and insulting towards her):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZJxmjA5oB0

He just promotes hatred towards people who don't deserve it. I see no reason to support that.

Here's a bonus video for your viewing pleasure: https://www.facebook.com/185996708274547/videos/506816592859222/

[Syzygy]

He's xenophobic and racist. I don't know if he would be a good president or not and I don't care, I don't even live in the USA, but I'm pretty sure I would never vote a piece of crap like him.

Why do you think he's racist

[Porpoise101]

Why do you think he's racist
Maybe it's because racist types are like moths to a light with his campaign.

[Syzygy]

Maybe it's because racist types are like moths to a light with his campaign.

that's probably not wrong. Just would want to see what statements he made that make most people consider him racist

[Leprous]

Trump is not beholden to any political party. He will give jobs to those he thinks will do it the best (Did someone say Carl Icahn?). He is a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and does not want to tax Americans to death. He wants to keep us out of foreign conflicts and not play world police. He is a master of the derail and will cut deals with both parties as long as it gets stuff done. He wants to keep Muslims out of the country.

Most of all, though, he inspires confidence and trust in the American people. The economy is based on public perception. If people are scared, the economy suffers. Trump has the power to stimulate the economy simply through inspiring people to trust in America again.

The fact he wants Muslims out of the country is a very good reason why he is unable to become a president. I'm pretty sure (no expert when it comes to American politics, correct me if I'm wrong) that Trump is not willing to ban gun usage for everyone. Which is also a huge problem in the US.

[DriveAlive]

The fact he wants Muslims out of the country is a very good reason why he is unable to become a president. I'm pretty sure (no expert when it comes to American politics, correct me if I'm wrong) that Trump is not willing to ban gun usage for everyone. Which is also a huge problem in the US.

Not at all. Most Americans respect/should respect the 2nd Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms.

Also, quite a few of us are tired of having to "tolerate" the Muslim world. They are a religion of hate that treats women like dirt.

[Chapperz16]

Though the Catholic Church fails to treat women equally as well. I know its not exactly the same but there are still issues to be highlighted within each religion.

[DriveAlive]

Though the Catholic Church fails to treat women equally as well. I know its not exactly the same but there are still issues to be highlighted within each religion.

No, it's not at all the same thing. The Catholic Church does not allow women to be priests. Islam does not recognize women in society as being equal to men. They are subjugated, abused, and mutilitated in the name of Islam.

[Chapperz16]

If we look at the history of the Catholic Church, women have been oppressed. Same as in Islam. I'm sorry but by prejuding against one religion, you can do the same for other religions. It may be different but the amount of oppression should not make any differnece.

[Vlerchan]

Also, quite a few of us are tired of having to "tolerate" the Muslim world. They are a religion of hate that treats women like dirt.
I had forgotten that Muslims were a hivemind.

I'll leave other people to debate the exact characteristics of the hive with you though. Nonetheless this othering is entirely counter-productive if you desire to see Muslims integrate into Western culture.

I presume you don't insist on deporting the ones inside the U.S.?

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The Catholic Church also recognises woman as being different but equal. The same as the dominant interpretations of Islam.

[DriveAlive]

If we look at the history of the Catholic Church, women have been oppressed. Same as in Islam. I'm sorry but by prejuding against one religion, you can do the same for other religions. It may be different but the amount of oppression should not make any differnece.

Explain to me the Catholic oppression of women...

[Leprous]

No, it's not at all the same thing. The Catholic Church does not allow women to be priests. Islam does not recognize women in society as being equal to men. They are subjugated, abused, and mutilitated in the name of Islam.

I have friends in Dubai, Kuwait and Malaysia who are all Muslims. I have been there and I can tell you they do not abuse women. It's not something they do. It's not because some Muslims do it that all of them do it. You are talking about IS now. And they are NOT Muslims.

[Vlerchan]

Explain to me the Catholic oppression of women...
Exhibit A: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum

Though like I said: both religions pose woman as being different but equal.

[DriveAlive]

The treatment of girls by the Irish nuns was certainly terrible, etc...but it does not compare to how women are treated today in Islamic countries. We are talking about genital mutilitaion, not being allowed to be educated, being forced to cover themselves, not being allowed to leave the house without a man, being forced to marry a man they do not know, being stoned to death for misconduct, and be sexually assaulted. I could go on and on, but it is pretty clear that the Islamic world is pretty damn backwards.

[Chapperz16]

The catholic view on abortion, homosexuality, women priests etc, can these not be labeled as being evidence as Catholic backwardness? I agree that Islam is extremely oppressive but lets not forget the views many other religions have about women and other issues

[DriveAlive]

The catholic view on abortion, homosexuality, women priests etc, can these not be labeled as being evidence as Catholic backwardness? I agree that Islam is extremely oppressive but lets not forget the views many other religions have about women and other issues

Women priests, yes, but I think the rest can be reasonably explained without being "backwards". For instance, it is not backwards to say that since new human DNA is created at conception that abortion is the killing of a human and they choose to protect life. I might disagree, but I can certainly understand the basis for what they say. The Church also does not say that being homosexual is a sin, just homosexual actions is wrong so they do not want to condone those in their church by allowing Catholic marriages for homosexuals. Once again, this is they institution and I can see where one would view homosexuality as unnatural and against the natural imperative to reproduce.

[Chapperz16]

Devout followers of Catholicism argue that the use of contraception is a sin as it stops natural reproduction from happening as based on Natural Law. This is non circumstantial and is absolute within Catholic doctrine. They also disallow abortion for those who have been raped or had sex under the influence and are not financially or emotionally stable to have the child which is by defination backwards due to society in the modern world. Thirdly some followers of Catholicism still argue that homosexuals are an abomination, not just the act but the person themself. Take for example the clerk in the US who did not approve the marriage of two gays, she should of been fired from her job as soon as she said that. The law is the law and faith should not get in the way of that.

[DriveAlive]

Devout followers of Catholicism argue that the use of contraception is a sin as it stops natural reproduction from happening as based on Natural Law. This is non circumstantial and is absolute within Catholic doctrine. They also disallow abortion for those who have been raped or had sex under the influence and are not financially or emotionally stable to have the child which is by defination backwards due to society in the modern world. Thirdly some followers of Catholicism still argue that homosexuals are an abomination, not just the act but the person themself. Take for example the clerk in the US who did not approve the marriage of two gays, she should of been fired from her job as soon as she said that. The law is the law and faith should not get in the way of that.

Okay, once again, if the Catholic faith believes that one of the reasons for sex is reproduction, then it would be interfering with Gds plan to use contraception.

The Catholic Church believes that all human life is valuable regardless of the situation surrounding conception or birth. Should a human life be considered less important because it comes from a poor family or is a product of rape?

Most homophobic sentiment in this country today comes form the evangelicals, not the Catholics. That clerk was an evangelical, not a Catholic.

[Chapperz16]

Just as a side note, the Catholic Church did not mind the Crusades in killing the Muslims.

[DriveAlive]

Just as a side note, the Catholic Church did not mind the Crusades in killing the Muslims.

Just as a side note, neither do I.

[Chapperz16]

But all life is sacred?

[Sailor Mars]

The treatment of girls by the Irish nuns was certainly terrible, etc...but it does not compare to how women are treated today in Islamic countries. We are talking about genital mutilitaion, not being allowed to be educated, being forced to cover themselves, not being allowed to leave the house without a man, being forced to marry a man they do not know, being stoned to death for misconduct, and be sexually assaulted. I could go on and on, but it is pretty clear that the Islamic world is pretty damn backwards.

Have you ever been to these countries?... Hell, have you ever been out of your state for something besides possibly hunting? You're Christian, I'm assuming, and (possibly) read the bible before. Was it just forgotten that the old testement has so many statements saying "husband over wife" or "husband shall rule over thee" etc etc? Eh sorry but these things still happen. Christianity isn't innocent or excused from all the crusades, murders, oppression, and religious and racial intolerance just because "another country's religion is worse". That isn't how it works. Sure, some may oppress and abuse women and happen to be Muslim, just like some may oppress and abuse women and be Christian.

Religions have their flaws, yes, and people of religion have flaws, yes, but what Trump is suggesting with the whole "build a wall", "close the borders", "police these countries and make them pay us", "Muslims must be identified because they're Muslim and all Muslims are terrorists and savages" is straight fucking ridiculous.

[Chapperz16]

Have you ever been to these countries?... Hell, have you ever been out of your state for something besides possibly hunting? You're Christian, I'm assuming, and (possibly) read the bible before. Was it just forgotten that the old testement has so many statements saying "husband over wife" or "husband shall rule over thee" etc etc? Eh sorry but these things still happen. Christianity isn't innocent or excused from all the crusades, murders, oppression, and religious and racial intolerance just because "another country's religion is worse". That isn't how it works. Sure, some may oppress and abuse women and happen to be Muslim, just like some may oppress and abuse women and be Christian.

Religions have their flaws, yes, and people of religion have flaws, yes, but what Trump is suggesting with the whole "build a wall", "close the borders", "police these countries and make them pay us", "Muslims must be identified because they're Muslim and all Muslims are terrorists and savages" is straight fucking ridiculous.

Thank you for also having some common sense. How people can discriminate against an entire religion based on the actions of a few is unbelievable.

[Vlerchan]

The treatment of girls by the Irish nuns was certainly terrible, etc...but it does not compare to how women are treated today in Islamic countries.
These woman were turned into slave-labour. There is no greater degradation of the human person.

We are talking about genital mutilitaion[.]
Please note that this is a broadly cultural trend.

Female Genital Mutilation occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and is practiced by Christians, Muslims and Animists alike. In Egypt, where perhaps 97 percent of girls suffer genital mutilation, both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit. Thus, it has long been concluded to be a cultural practice, not connected to religion.

http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-culture/

[...] not being allowed to be educated [...]
Enrollment rates in higher education are considered to be on par with global figures, with current MENA rates of 31 compared to a world average rate of 30. A high number of MENA countries – including the United Arab Emirates, Palestine, Libya, Tunisia and Kuwait – are now reporting higher enrollment rates for women than for men, Forbes Woman Middle East recently reported.

http://www.usnews.com/news/college-of-tomorrow/articles/2014/12/17/op-ed-the-state-of-higher-education-in-the-middle-east

Nonetheless this isn't a problem amongst Muslims that immigrate here.

[...] being forced to cover themselves [...]
A visit to any Muslim-majority country will quickly reveal the variations that exist when it comes to appropriate female attire. But what do most residents consider most appropriate?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/08/what-is-appropriate-attire-for-women-in-muslim-countries/

I couldn't find a poll that just just captured the views of woman. I'm open to whatever can be sourced though I'm doubtful there'll be much divergence. I'm arguing this on the basis that support for Sharia diverges little across lines of sex.

Across five of the six major regions included in the study, majorities of Muslims in most countries say a woman should be able to decide for herself whether to wear a veil in public. Medians of roughly seven-in-ten or more take this view in Southern and Eastern Europe (88%), Southeast Asia (79%) and Central Asia (73%). But fewer say women should have this right in South Asia (56%) and the Middle East-North Africa region (53%). Sub-Saharan Africa is the only region where a median of less than half (40%) think a woman should be able to decide for herself whether to wear a veil.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

This poll tracks Muslims in the Balkans and Central Asia. These tend to be a lot more liberal on average.

On an anecdotal level the daughters of Muslim families that I go to school with indicate it's down to their own choice. I know a set of sisters were one wears a Niqab and one wear's nothing.

It's also banned entirely in a number of states that aren't polled.

[...] not being allowed to leave the house without a man [...]
This is legislated for in a small number of Muslim-dominated states.

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It's notable that a majority of Muslims believe a wife should obey her husband.

But then it was only 20 years ago that Western countries were removing martial-rape exclusions and in a number of territories - including US states - laws are lax.

[...] being forced to marry a man they do not know [...]
Attitudes regarding arranged marriage are markedly different in that there are no distinct differences in levels of approval between men and women -- arguably because an arranged marriage can work to either sex's advantage or disadvantage. In none of these four countries does a majority of either men or women express approval for arranged marriage.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/6235/love-marriage-within-islamic-world.aspx

[...] being stoned to death for misconduct [...]
In 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land also favor stoning unfaithful spouses.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Please note that this is a poll of those that support Sharia. That means it's no majority that supports this and those that do are concentrated in certain states. Please note further that punishment isn't gendered. Men receive the same punishment.

[...] and be sexually assaulted [...]
Lol. You'll have a hard time finding Muslims that claim to support this. Our good friend Exocet recently produced an article that claimed Muslims wanted to learn the sexual norms of our culture.

I could go on and on, but it is pretty clear that the Islamic world is pretty damn backwards.
Oh please do keep going.

[phuckphace]

I like despite how Christianity has been watered down into a feelgood social event, barely distinguishable from a self-help club - with interracial adoptions, Hippie Pope, calling Trump the next Hitler on Facebook, leaving their communities and flying to Nigeria for mission work, etc. etc. etc. the Left still reserves 100% of its resentment for them. it's actually breathtaking how much cognitive dissonance there is on the topic when you look at the Left's attitude toward Islam - a Christian makes some innocuous comment about "defense of traditional marriage" and they're up in arms about a looming Palin/Bachmann theocracy where gays are rounded up and shot, but are remarkably ambivalent toward actual Islamic theocracies in the Middle East where this occurs on a regular basis. "NOT ALL MUSLIMS!!!!"

the narrative is really, really fucked up.

[Vlerchan]

the narrative is really, really fucked up.
I imagine it exists because in our societies monoculturalists and Christians are both potential cultural-hegemons. Muslims are not. The counter-marches against PEGIDA are noted as being anti-fascist and not pro-Islam or pro-refugee.

In the same sense lots of anti-feminists will fight for woman's rights when it comes to furthering monoculturalism.

It's about power and it's always been about power.

[Porpoise101]

These woman were turned into slave-labour. There is no greater degradation of the human person.
I'd like to add that women aren't restricted from being able to work in every Muslim nation I know of. Since they can work and own businesses, they have at least some avenue for power. Yes, many conditions are "backwards" but it is important to see that things are changing. Take the recent protests in Iran and the changing norms of Saudi women as an example.

Also, what is a Muslim country? Some majority Muslim countries like Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia are nothing like the likes of Syria, Egypt, and Turkey. Even these similar groups I just put them into don't do them justice because all of these nations have vastly different cultures.

[Jinglebottom]

I'd like to add that women aren't restricted from being able to work in every Muslim nation I know of. Since they can work and own businesses, they have at least some avenue for power. Yes, many conditions are "backwards" but it is important to see that things are changing. Take the recent protests in Iran and the changing norms of Saudi women as an example.

Also, what is a Muslim country? Some majority Muslim countries like Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia are nothing like the likes of Syria, Egypt, and Turkey. Even these similar groups I just put them into don't do them justice because all of these nations have vastly different cultures.
Women are not "oppressed" in Lebanon if anyone's wondering. :P

[Microcosm]

The treatment of girls by the Irish nuns was certainly terrible, etc...but it does not compare to how women are treated today in Islamic countries. We are talking about genital mutilitaion, not being allowed to be educated, being forced to cover themselves, not being allowed to leave the house without a man, being forced to marry a man they do not know, being stoned to death for misconduct, and be sexually assaulted. I could go on and on, but it is pretty clear that the Islamic world is pretty damn backwards.

I think what you and other republicans who support Trump's anti-Islamic plans don't realize is that there is actually a profound difference between Western Moderate Muslims and Middle-Eastern Muslims. You're probably right in saying that Middle-Eastern Muslims treat women poorly often, but with Western Muslims you'll find that that is not so. It's sort of similar to how Jews don't go around sacrificing animals and stoning people anymore. A religion can be moderate and I think Islam has a huge following of moderate individuals who are very aware and accustomed to Western society. Given that Islam is a worldwide religion that has a following in most countries of the world, I think it would be a very poor decision to say that even the well-mannered of them all want to go around raping and pillaging western cities.

[Vlerchan]

Also, what is a Muslim country?
Bad things happen there. Then work backwards. Exclude Europe.

[Babs]

One could argue that many Muslims come to America to escape how women are treated, and that it doesn't necessarily reflect their own beliefs or behavior.

[Porpoise101]

Women are not "oppressed" in Lebanon if anyone's wondering. :P
You guys were really beautiful as a country. Very Western in it's nature. Now I think it is quite dysfunctional, but that is besides the point.

[Jinglebottom]

You guys were really beautiful as a country. Very Western in it's nature. Now I think it is quite dysfunctional, but that is besides the point.
Yeah, sadly. It's an ungovernable mess of a state where chaos reigns 24/7, but you end up adjusting to it. :) The Western influences are still here... they're just overshadowed by all the recent trouble. I would hardly call it a "Muslim country".

[AgentHomo]

The fact that he is a Priviledged. Moreover, he is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and transphobic. Do we really need a Priviledged as president if he is just going to revert us back to the Pre-Obama era? This is why I'm going for Hillary. Sanders is a Priviledged.

[Porpoise101]

This is why I'm going for Hillary. Sanders is a Priviledged.
First: Lol what? Hillary has been a corporate crony up who became a major politician just through marriage to a certain seductive gov turned prez.

Sanders is a mayor turned senator from a Jewish refugee background. He has had to work his way up through his activism and has shown his intents are sincere.

Second: spell privileged right. Also what is your definition of it? I believe that we have two different ideas.

Third: I think you will have it hard in ROTW. The rightists will chew up us lefties unless you take care. So be careful of what you say I guess.

[DriveAlive]

The rightists will chew up us lefties unless you take care. So be careful of what you say I guess.

Right power!!! Oh wait, that does not sound quite right...how does it go again?...

[phuckphace]

The fact that he is a Priviledged. Moreover, he is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and transphobic. Do we really need a Priviledged as president if he is just going to revert us back to the Pre-Obama era? This is why I'm going for Hillary. Sanders is a Priviledged.

http://i.imgur.com/OKnhpFu.jpg

[Porpoise101]

image (http://i.imgur.com/OKnhpFu.jpg)
*gasps with last breath*
He got me.... Walk away before he gets you next......

[Judean Zealot]

The fact that he is a Priviledged.

What's wrong with being privileged?

Moreover, he is racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and transphobic. Do we really need a Priviledged as president if he is just going to revert us back to the Pre-Obama era? This is why I'm going for Hillary. Sanders is a Priviledged.

Thank you for the laugh. It was a great way to start my morning. :D

[Uniquemind]

What's wrong with being privileged?



Thank you for the laugh. It was a great way to start my morning. :D

Nothing, except for heightened chance, that said person could not truly empathize or understand the obstacles of a poor or slipping-middle class person except for what they learn from talking points.

[Judean Zealot]

Nothing, except for heightened chance, that said person could not truly empathize or understand the obstacles of a poor or slipping-middle class person except for what they learn from talking points.

"What's wrong with being black?"

"Nothing, except for heightened chance, that said person would lack the socio-economic conditions amenable to living as a law abiding and productive citizen."

[Uniquemind]

"What's wrong with being black?"

"Nothing, except for heightened chance, that said person would lack the socio-economic conditions amenable to living as a law abiding and productive citizen."

I think bad communities contribute to that more than one's race. I know tons of white people who are suffering some physical and or mental emotional issue because of broken homes and drugs.

[Judean Zealot]

I think bad communities contribute to that more than one's race. I know tons of white people who are suffering some physical and or mental emotional issue because of broken homes and drugs.

That's beside the point. Lambasting 'privileged' people for having a higher probability of being apathetic to the challenges of the 'underprivileged' (as a result of their social condition) is the same as doing that to blacks due to their higher probability of falling into crime (as above, a result of their social condition).

Now if you want to bash both groups don't let me stop you, but our PC friend here would go through the roof from hearing that about blacks.

[Vlerchan]

I guess the difference is that the preferences of misbehaving blacks are revealed and we have a quite successful mechanism of excluding from decision making [jail-time].

For privileged people(s) their preferences are never openly revealed given the use of a secret ballot and thus excluding them is near-impossible.

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I also came across a paper today which reported that Muslims that immigrate from their natives countries tend to much less inclined to hold views relating to political Islam.

This held when internet access was accounted for.

[lliam]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3871120/thumbs/o-MAP-OF-THE-WORLD-ACCORDING-TO-DONALD-TRUMP-900.jpg

[Stronk Serb]

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I doubt he is stupid enough to place Paris in the middle of Russia. I also laughed hard when he bought Jeb Bush's personal domain.

[phuckphace]

http://i.imgur.com/Cfhd7v8.jpg

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Grossdeutschland! http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif

[lliam]

Grossdeutschland!]


dreamer. :D