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Microcosm
December 27th, 2015, 03:17 PM
Here is a link to the full letter published in New York Times: http://nyti.ms/1SdzrD4
In an open letter to white Americans, Emory University professor of philosophy George Yancy asked readers to deeply consider “the ways in which you perpetuate a racist society, the ways in which you are racist.”
I can see your anger. I can see that this letter is being misunderstood. This letter is not asking you to feel bad about yourself, to wallow in guilt. That is too easy. I’m asking for you to tarry, to linger, with the ways in which you perpetuate a racist society, the ways in which you are racist. I’m now daring you to face a racist history which, paraphrasing [James] Baldwin, has placed you where you are and that has formed your own racism. Again, in the spirit of Baldwin, I am asking you to enter into battle with your white self. I’m asking that you open yourself up; to speak to, to admit to, the racist poison that is inside of you.
White America, are you prepared to be at war with yourself, your white identity, your white power, your white privilege? Are you prepared to show me a white self that love has unmasked? I’m asking for love in return for a gift; in fact, I’m hoping that this gift might help you to see yourself in ways that you have not seen before. Of course, the history of white supremacy in America belies this gesture of black gift-giving, this gesture of non-sentimental love. Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered even as he loved. [...]
Source: The Blaze (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/12/26/dear-white-america-black-professors-open-letter-asks-readers-to-admit-to-the-racist-poison-that-is-inside-of-you/)
Jinglebottom
December 27th, 2015, 03:58 PM
Oh for the love of God...
Exocet
December 27th, 2015, 04:15 PM
I do not really understand,what is he trying to prove exactly ?
dxcxdzv
December 27th, 2015, 04:33 PM
Aaahh philosophy...
northy
December 27th, 2015, 04:43 PM
Why? Is it not obvious?
Judean Zealot
December 28th, 2015, 03:21 AM
Aaahh philosophy...
This has bleeding nothing to do with philosophy. I hate how philosophy professors do this shit all the time. It demeans the humanities in the eyes of the public.
thatcountrykid
December 28th, 2015, 10:09 AM
I do not really understand,what is he trying to prove exactly ?
He's trying to say all white people are racist by nature. It's all the white mans fault.
Vlerchan
December 28th, 2015, 10:22 AM
He sounds like a preacher. Which is interesting.
I also read the entire piece and his aim is to transform the passive engagement of being 'privilege' into the active engagement of being 'a racist'. This is problematic insofar as it ignored an entire spectrum of perspectives that holding an active position entails. On an activist front evoking the term racist and all the connotations it entails is bound to alienate potential white allies more than the neutral term 'privilege'.
He's trying to say all white people are racist by nature. It's all the white mans fault.
He's not saying white people are racist 'by nature'.
He's not saying it's 'all the white man's fault'.
He's saying that white people benefit from a system that privileges them ahead of black people and that this is in a state perpetual reproduction.
Porpoise101
December 28th, 2015, 10:39 AM
Sometimes black people and super liberal types are stuck wallowing in the horrible past. They feel that they are all alone, struggling in the dark and in poverty. They think they are stuck there by their race. But somehow, among these impoverished and jobless people, there is every race. Blacks aren't even the poorest demographic, natives are. Even looking at ethnicity, Hmong people ("Asians" that have a stereotype of being rich and smart) are the poorest. And they don't see that the Latinos among them are poor, but by now, many are in middle class. The fact is that nowadays it's less about race and more about what your class is and what you're born with (money, culture, etc). Some blacks live in mansions and some whites are in trailer parks. While white people have done bad things, people have not as much nowadays. Yes, racism exists, but more so the issue is a poor urban or rural living condition with lots of crime and bad schools.
StoppingTom
December 28th, 2015, 10:50 AM
Sometimes black people and super liberal types are stuck wallowing in the horrible past. They feel that they are all alone, struggling in the dark and in poverty. They think they are stuck there by their race. But somehow, among these impoverished and jobless people, there is every race. Blacks aren't even the poorest demographic, natives are. Even looking at ethnicity, Hmong people ("Asians" that have a stereotype of being rich and smart) are the poorest. And they don't see that the Latinos among them are poor, but by now, many are in middle class. The fact is that nowadays it's less about race and more about what your class is and what you're born with (money, culture, etc). Some blacks live in mansions and some whites are in trailer parks. While white people have done bad things, people have not as much nowadays. Yes, racism exists, but more so the issue is a poor urban or rural living condition with lots of crime and bad schools.
Bleeding heart filthy liberal here, you're right on the money.
also lol @ philosophy professor, probably just mad he couldn't get any other job than "philosophy professor" with that degree so he's blaming the privileged white society
phuckphace
December 28th, 2015, 11:02 AM
>lives in a country founded and built by whites
>uses the white man's language
>reads the philosophical writings of white men to form his theories
>uses the white man's medical technology to live well past the mean African life expectancy of ~35 years
>is paid by white men with white people's money
>mein Gesicht
http://i.imgur.com/a8YdjXU.jpg
Vlerchan
December 28th, 2015, 11:10 AM
They think they are stuck there by their race. But somehow, among these impoverished and jobless people, there is every race.
This is irrelevant to the claims being made. It's not that blacks and other minorities are poor. It's that blacks and other minorities face a unique set of circumstances that contribute to this state.
Even if socioeconomic origin is the biggest contributor - and I agree with this - the argument holds that issues require an intersectional approach.
>mein Gesicht
You're right. The insolence. Imagine wanting to be treated like white people without being white.
God. The mind, she boggles.
phuckphace
December 28th, 2015, 11:40 AM
You're right. The insolence. Imagine wanting to be treated like white people without being white.
and Bruce Jenner wants to be treated as a woman despite not being one. there's a lot of this going around, it seems.
there is something particularly funny about affirmative action hires winding up in positions of influence - such as being a professor - and then promptly tossing out the race card. Obama pulled this too - he used his half-white privilege to get ahead, a record number of whites helped to elect him, and then he proceeded to spend both terms rabble-rousing his conspecifics.
----
I've found that the terms "toxic", "poison", and "intersectional" are generally found immediately prior to a torrent of bullshit. QED or something.
Porpoise101
December 28th, 2015, 11:45 AM
This is irrelevant to the claims being made. It's not that blacks and other minorities are poor. It's that blacks and other minorities face a unique set of circumstances that contribute to this state.
I was trying to say that the poor have more in common than two people of two different socioeconomic levels but are the same race. In that way, they don't face a unique set of circumstances. The author doesn't even think that black people suffer with other minorities, it's that they suffer the most among the minorities. Not once does he say that "---- experiences prejudice too".
Vlerchan
December 28th, 2015, 11:59 AM
I was trying to say that the poor have more in common than two people of two different socioeconomic levels but are the same race. In that way, they don't face a unique set of circumstances.
I don't disagree with the first statement. However I disagree that this indicates that black people don't share a unique set of circumstances as a consequence of being black.
Not once does he say that "---- experiences prejudice too".
As you reap comfort from being white, we suffer for being black and people of color.
He also mentioned in the opening that he interviewed people of colour about their own issues (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/philosophers-on-race/). However I agree that the overwhelming focus is on black people there. Perhaps because it's the major issue in social justice discourse at the moment.
Emerald Dream
December 28th, 2015, 12:04 PM
VT Daily Chronicle :arrow: Ramblings of the Wise
I think this is better off over here now. :)
Porpoise101
December 28th, 2015, 12:21 PM
I disagree that this indicates that black people don't share a unique set of circumstances as a consequence of being black.
Fair enough, but the circumstances that are unique to them, I would not call it racial but instead cultural. Racial implies that all Africans deal with these issues, when they don't. The circumstances of a black Dominican, a Nigerian immigrant, and an American from the slums are all different. People who can move to the US often have enough money not to fall into the cycle of poverty initially. Black Americans struggled because they were brought here and started with nothing, given something, then had it taken away. To me, this issue only deals with the black American people as an ethnic group descended from freed slaves.
I do wish there was a black person here so we can get their take on this though.
sqishy
December 28th, 2015, 03:54 PM
This has bleeding nothing to do with philosophy. I hate how philosophy professors do this shit all the time. It demeans the humanities in the eyes of the public.
(With this topic aside) there is for sure pretentiousness and self-righteousness with regards to the size of one's knowledge/etc going on in the field of the humanities. I could go further with saying that for most of academia though, so not just a humanities-specific thing.
Exocet
December 28th, 2015, 03:58 PM
>lives in a country founded and built by whites
>uses the white man's language
>reads the philosophical writings of white men to form his theories
>uses the white man's medical technology to live well past the mean African life expectancy of ~35 years
>is paid by white men with white people's money
>mein Gesicht
image (http://i.imgur.com/a8YdjXU.jpg)
Why are you such a Genius ?
Judean Zealot
December 28th, 2015, 05:00 PM
(With this topic aside) there is for sure pretentiousness and self-righteousness with regards to the size of one's knowledge/etc going on in the field of the humanities. I could go further with saying that for most of academia though, so not just a humanities-specific thing.
That's why Dawkins and Hawking exist - to show us that it's not only philosophers. :D
sqishy
December 28th, 2015, 05:03 PM
That's why Dawkins and Hawking exist - to show us that it's not only philosophers. :D
No need to use swear words - twice! :P
Judean Zealot
December 28th, 2015, 05:36 PM
No need to use swear words - twice! :P
Thanks for the chuckle. :D
james wolf
December 28th, 2015, 06:20 PM
He raises a good point. Too many people are oblivious of the ways in which society privileges them over other minorities.
Vlerchan
December 28th, 2015, 06:30 PM
He raises a good point. Too many people are oblivious of the ways in which society privileges them over other minorities.
Does being privileged necessarily make one racist though. That's the issue.
Take small white children with no conception of race as an example.
The circumstances of a black Dominican, a Nigerian immigrant, and an American from the slums are all different.
Sure. I'm less certain of the data on this one - I don't believe there's studies - but I'd still pose that it's reasonably possible that all are met with a unique set of circumstances as a result of being black and then also a unique set of circumstances as a result of their national-origin.
Porpoise101
December 28th, 2015, 06:36 PM
He raises a good point. Too many people are oblivious of the ways in which society privileges them over other minorities.
Don't you think it's overly pessimistic in that he said there is no way for people to understand eachother's feelings and pains? Personally I believe it's kind of sad because he pretty much says empathy is an impossible ideal and that race has come between humans to such a degree that no one can grasp the struggles of another. While people are oblivious to the struggles of others, it's a stretch to say that we will never understand them.
james wolf
December 28th, 2015, 06:45 PM
Does being privileged necessarily make one racist though. That's the issue.
Take small white children with no conception of race as an example.
No perhaps not, but eventually they will likely become racist, as society is racist. I am racist. I wish I wasn't, but I am.
Don't you think it's overly pessimistic in that he said there is no way for people to understand eachother's feelings and pains? Personally I believe it's kind of sad because he pretty much says empathy is an impossible ideal and that race has come between humans to such a degree that no one can grasp the struggles of another. While people are oblivious to the struggles of others, it's a stretch to say that we will never understand them.
Yes perhaps he does go too far in that regard, though I think it is very hard to empathise with some people in society. There are just some great differences between rich and poor, black and white, man and woman that are so stark it would be hard for us to understand each others' feelings. Often, we don't understand people's feelings so we just accept them, as it is easy and the right thing to do.
Vlerchan
December 28th, 2015, 06:51 PM
No perhaps not[.]
OK. So we can agree that being privledged does not equate to being racist. I'm quoting to just note this point.
but eventually they will likely become racist, as society is racist. I am racist. I wish I wasn't, but I am.
I'm not sure how society being racist necessitates that the individuals within it are racist. We've agreed that there's no necessary link at all stages so there must be some sort of describable mechanism that emerges.
How are you racist - and how does this necessarily derive from existing in a racist society.
james wolf
December 28th, 2015, 07:10 PM
OK. So we can agree that being privledged does not equate to being racist. I'm quoting to just note this point.
How are you racist - and how does this necessarily derive from existing in a racist society.
Being privileged can however lead to someone being racist. If you are privileged you will advance in society and look down on less privileged races, perhaps thinking their low status is due to their race, not the underlying problem of racial inequality, rooted in years of history etc.
I can't think of any specific examples, I remember one of my very politically active friends managed to interrogate me until I said something that confirmed it.
I mean firstly, I tell racist jokes, my friends tell racist jokes etc. It's not malicious or anything, but it is racist.
Vlerchan
December 28th, 2015, 07:22 PM
Being privileged can however lead to someone being racist.
But the point I'm making is that there's no reason to proceed as the cited professor does towards the presumption that a group that is privileged must also be racist.
If you are privileged you will advance in society and look down on less privileged races, perhaps thinking their low status is due to their race, not the underlying problem of racial inequality, rooted in years of history etc.
There's no reason to presume that privileged people will necessarily advance in society.
There's also no reason that advancing above someone of a different race would cause people to believe in a racialist narrative.
It's a possible mechanism - I agree - but it's nowhere near concrete enough to support Yancey's remarks.
lliam
December 28th, 2015, 08:29 PM
I do not really understand,what is he trying to prove exactly ?
The way I got it, he just says that everyone is a racist. Instead of denying our personal racism, sexism, whateverism from ourself and from the rest of the world, we should stand by it and learn to deal with it openly.
So, assuming I've understood him correctly, I've found a soulmate.
The only thing that surprises me again and again is, that philosophers need so many words to say something, which a single grunt could also express.
phuckphace
January 1st, 2016, 08:50 PM
The only thing that surprises me again and again is, that philosophers need so many words to say something, which a single grunt could also express.
fucking lol, almost spewed my coffee
lliam's got a bright future in the funny post krew
Sir Suomi
January 3rd, 2016, 12:11 AM
Hevonpaska. I swear to God, if people keep going on with this "White Privilege" shit, I'm going to lose it. Funny, never hear the ancestors of the Irish bringing up the Irish slave trade and asking for handouts...
Jinglebottom
January 3rd, 2016, 06:32 AM
Shut up all you white cishets. CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!!!!!
phuckphace
January 3rd, 2016, 08:50 AM
feels good being on the Reich side of history
Judean Zealot
January 3rd, 2016, 10:52 AM
The thing that especially annoys me about this privilege fad is how pathetic it is. I mean, the entire point of telling someone to 'check their privilege' is literally to raise ordinary people onto a pedestal, for the sole purpose of subsequently tearing them down to boost one's ego. It's just such an obvious coping mechanism, but these people have the gall to turn this self-generated victimisation into virtue. Pathetic.
Jinglebottom
January 3rd, 2016, 11:13 AM
http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/ba/10/ba1046_5468783.jpg
lliam
January 3rd, 2016, 04:38 PM
Fuck privileges. I just do what I want anyway.
Microcosm
January 10th, 2016, 07:42 PM
I think he thinks that whites live at the expense of blacks because blacks come from shitty ghetto homes and choose to ignore the opportunity of public schooling and follow their idol Fetty Wap in pursuing a worthless career that contributes nothing to society, then they have kids and the cycle repeats.
Porpoise101
January 10th, 2016, 07:51 PM
choose to ignore the opportunity of public schooling
*Are condemned to some of the worst public school systems in the nation
Microcosm
January 10th, 2016, 07:53 PM
*Are condemned to some of the worst public school systems in the nation
And what makes them bad?
They go to public school because law requires them and then cause trouble there, driving the staff insane and inhibiting their ability to properly imbibe them with knowledge.
It's a vicious cycle, you see.
EDIT: If they wanted education, they could get it. If they wanted to contribute to society, they could. They just don't. At least they don't where I live(mostly).
phuckphace
January 10th, 2016, 08:20 PM
I think he thinks that whites live at the expense of blacks because blacks come from shitty ghetto homes and choose to ignore the opportunity of public schooling and follow their idol Fetty Wap in pursuing a worthless career that contributes nothing to society, then they have kids and the cycle repeats.
http://i.imgur.com/1zevS4n.png
Porpoise101
January 10th, 2016, 08:48 PM
And what makes them bad?
They go to public school because law requires them and then cause trouble there, driving the staff insane and inhibiting their ability to properly imbibe them with knowledge.
It's a vicious cycle, you see.
EDIT: If they wanted education, they could get it. If they wanted to contribute to society, they could. They just don't. At least they don't where I live(mostly).
In many Michigan school districts, the staff are corrupt, so the districts go bankrupt. So then they have to do budget cuts, which leaves the schools understaffed and without resources. This leads to poor test scores, state cuts, and deprives the school districts even more.
It's a vicious cycle, you see.
Microcosm
January 10th, 2016, 08:49 PM
In many Michigan school districts, the staff are corrupt, so the districts go bankrupt. So then they have to do budget cuts, which leaves the schools understaffed and without resources. This leads to poor test scores, state cuts, and deprives the school districts even more.
It's a vicious cycle, you see.
Public education is just generally screwed in the U.S..
Porpoise101
January 10th, 2016, 09:01 PM
Public education is just generally screwed in the U.S..
Yeah. In suburban and the richer areas, if a school needs money they can raise a mill, but that isn't really an option in cities as no one has money in the first place. At this point serious changes are needed.
phuckphace
January 10th, 2016, 09:21 PM
you can throw all the money you want at it but if the students are unwilling to study or even sit still in class for 10 seconds it's a waste
librulz have been trying to do this for decades now and it's not working
Microcosm
January 10th, 2016, 10:08 PM
In agreement with the above, I think the educational problem in run-down ghetto areas of the U.S. is largely caused by the lack of appreciation or even acknowledgement for ideas such as knowledge and the contribution to society of which people owe those around them. These things are not taught to them by their parents, which makes sense given that these ideas were not raised to high regard in African societies. These ideas flourished in European and early-American people. It is here assumed as well that parents are the ones that imbibe their offspring with ideals and values that were taught to themselves by their parents and ancestors.
It makes sense then that prominently white areas focus more on properly educating their children and spreading the value of education while dominantly black areas find this more difficult.
That's just one explanation for it, though.
phuckphace
January 10th, 2016, 10:45 PM
if you want to lol find and read a book called Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry about some black kids living in the segregationist South. in one chapter the students receive second-hand books from a white school and express disgust at the poor condition of the books (split binding, worn covers etc.) what was intended by the author to depict WHITE OPPRESSION now seems charmingly quaint when you see what goes down in black-majority schools today ("ay yo nikka I ain't finna read no punk azz cracka shiieeeet")
Porpoise101
January 10th, 2016, 11:01 PM
That is true. There is definitely an issue with students not applying themselves. But the issue is that a lot of money that gets fed into the system to support these students ends up in some bureaucrat's paycheck instead of actually updating and fixing schools. And so, the school falls apart. In my school even, the building is falling apart and the community failed to vote for a mill twice. So now it decays more. I can only imagine how bad it must be for Detroiters. To say that African societies didn't value knowledge is wrong though, it was varied just like in Europe. Some places like Timbuktu and Axum were intellectual hubs. But it was more mystical in the sub Saharan regions. In Europe you saw that the Nordic nations were very puritanical, while the French and Dutch actually encouraged free thought. It really depends on culture. So this brings us the next issue: school culture. How should it be changed?
Judean Zealot
January 10th, 2016, 11:19 PM
Having poor schools is no excuse. Nowadays people can easily access an education if they wish. My own formal education was absolutely shit, but with public libraries and resources available on the Internet anyone can educate themselves.
phuckphace
January 11th, 2016, 12:28 AM
Having poor schools is no excuse. Nowadays people can easily access an education if they wish. My own formal education was absolutely shit, but with public libraries and resources available on the Internet anyone can educate themselves.
#autodidact krew
everything I learned and unlearned about economics I owe to VT's preeminent economist. who needs JSTOR when Vlerchan has it all memorized?
Porpoise101
January 11th, 2016, 07:11 AM
Having poor schools is no excuse. Nowadays people can easily access an education if they wish. My own formal education was absolutely shit, but with public libraries and resources available on the Internet anyone can educate themselves.
Expecting people to do things themselves... What kind of expectations are those?
Judean Zealot
January 11th, 2016, 07:14 AM
Expecting people to do things themselves... What kind of expectations are those?
Apparently too high for the majority of our contemporaries.
Vlerchan
January 11th, 2016, 04:07 PM
So this brings us the next issue: school culture. How should it be changed?
You need to have strong institutions that promote early-learning and a culture of education. I'm talking from the age of two up.
Looking at the statistics blacks are behind from kindergarten. Large parts of this is that black kids get a lot less support at home - and less opportunities to access educational recourses. The average black child is going to have less access to their parents and educational materials. Their parents are less educated on average and less capable of offering them support. That leads to them possessing a lower likelihood of learning their letters before starting school - being exposed to books in general. On entering education the average black child is going to score lower in all areas of educational development than the average white child.
This leads to blacks having a much higher grade-retention rate and retention tends to damage their own assessment of themselves within education (Andrew 2014 (http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/09/03/sf.sou074.abstract)). It doesn't help that in a lot of cases their peers have a much lower likelihood of being educated themselves. Then it reaches a stage where black children just stop caring.
There's other problems. But primarily I view lacking firm early-childhood foundations as fundamental feature of poor educational development. You get black children to start caring from the get-go and you'll get adolescents more capable of helping themselves. That's the reason I'd be more supportive of funding top-tier early-learning opportunities before I would third-level:
If you've any interest in education you'll have learned a good deal of your third level material in advance.
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This also counts for not just blacks. In Ireland we have significant working class populations with the same attitudes.
There's also other problems linked to their median socioeconomic statues but I see this as easiest to tackle and posing the greatest possible returns.
Porpoise101
January 11th, 2016, 04:11 PM
You need to have strong institutions that promote early-learning and a culture of education. I'm talking from the age of two up.
Looking at the statistics blacks are behind from kindergarten. Large parts of this is that black kids get a lot less support at home - and less opportunities to access educational recourses. The average black child is going to have less access to their parents and educational materials. Their parents are less educated on average and less capable of offering them support. That leads to them possessing a lower likelihood of learning their letters before starting school - being exposed to books in general. On entering education the average black child is going to score lower in all areas of educational development than the average white child.
This leads to blacks having a much higher grade-retention rate and retention tends to damage their own assessment of themselves within education (Andrew 2014 (http://sf.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/09/03/sf.sou074.abstract)). It doesn't help that in a lot of cases their peers have a much lower likelihood of being educated themselves. Then it reaches a stage where black children just stop caring.
There's other problems. But primarily I view lacking firm early-childhood foundations as fundamental feature of poor educational development. You get black children to start caring from the get-go and you'll get adolescents more capable of helping themselves. That's the reason I'd be more supportive of funding top-tier early-learning opportunities before I would third-level:
If you've any interest in education you'll have learned a good deal of your third level material in advance.
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This also counts for not just blacks. In Ireland we have significant working class populations with the same attitudes.
There's also other problems linked to their median socioeconomic statues but I see this as easiest to tackle and posing the greatest possible returns.
Maybe to encourage support the schools should offer before/after school classes and help. With internet it could even be virtual I suppose. Not just for the students but also for parents who may need it. At least that is what my school does and it is one of the better ones in the nation.
phuckphace
January 11th, 2016, 09:57 PM
the 20th century in one picture:
http://i.imgur.com/s8U9Iu9.jpg
how to fix? glad you asked. see the Weltanschauung of Win for more details.
Vlerchan
January 12th, 2016, 06:12 PM
Vox published a review of a paper on the point I was discussing above this afternoon.
The evidence from a variety of high-quality early childhood programmes, for which reported results can be replicated by objective analysts, tells a consistent story. They have substantial effects on life outcomes beyond IQ or achievement test scores that are the focus of attention in popular discussions of public policy. They promote physical and mental health, reduce criminal activity, and boost earnings and social engagement. The economic and social rates of return are high – comparable to returns on equity investment.
The evidence from a broad range of studies using rigorous causal methodologies shows agreement across them. There is a strong case for high-quality early childhood education for disadvantaged children. It improves the early-life environments of disadvantaged children, which in turn boost a variety of early-life skills and later-life achievements. They have substantial economic and social rates of return.
On average, the children of affluent families do not benefit from the public provision of early childhood education aimed at disadvantaged populations. Any benefit to affluent families comes from receipt of childcare, which subsidises the employment of parents, sometimes at the expense of child quality.1
The evidence supports public subsidy of high-quality programmes targeted to disadvantaged populations. At current quality levels and costs, their social benefits greatly exceed their social costs. The economic and social case for universal early programmes for promoting childhood development is weak.
http://www.voxeu.org/article/early-childhood-education-and-social-mobility
In other words there's a large return for the strong institutions I demanded. It states later that the benefit to cost ratio is 6.6 : 1. This is concentrated amongst disadvantaged children who get the start to put them on an equal footing.
Dalton_Holt
January 14th, 2016, 03:57 PM
"White people are naturally racist." Doesn't saying that make you racist?
Porpoise101
January 14th, 2016, 04:08 PM
"White people are naturally racist." Doesn't saying that make you racist?
Not really because the point was that everyone is racist and that you have to understand that. Everyone is naturally racist.
Dalton_Holt
January 14th, 2016, 05:52 PM
Not really because the point was that everyone is racist and that you have to understand that. Everyone is naturally racist.
Racism is something that is taught. Fortunately I was never taught (brainwashed) into being racist, which is why I'm not racist.
Stronk Serb
January 14th, 2016, 06:42 PM
"White people are naturally racist." Doesn't saying that make you racist?
This ^^
Racism is something that is taught. Fortunately I was never taught (brainwashed) into being racist, which is why I'm not racist.
Oh, but you are racist! You should be ashamed that your ancestors may have owned slaves! You racist!
That's what the liberal media feeds us. Even though I am white, I am fucking not going to feel bad about myself for being white, that's not something to be proud or ashamed of. If you are ok towards me, I don't care. I had some liberal on the interwebz mention how my family was probably a slaver family ayy lmao.
>Ottoman-occupied Serbia
->Ancestors were either serfs or slaves because of Orthodox Christian religion and rebeliousness towards opressive Ottoman rule
->After liberation, slavery was abolished and every slave entering Serbia was emancipated and given status of free by law
->Emancipation and abolition law passed before any Serbs became slavers and was passed in early 19th century, following Ottoman acknowledgement of Serbia as a broadly autonomous vassal principality
Vlerchan
January 14th, 2016, 07:04 PM
Some time I'm going to make a thread: "I'm a liberal - what do I support" and I bet I'll get the funniest responses.
Racism is something that is taught.
There's some amount of empirical support for the idea that toddlers have an inherent in-group bias along racial lines. It's not conclusive but at this stage I wouldn't be willing to come down on either side.
phuckphace
January 14th, 2016, 07:41 PM
in-group preference is not taught, and racialism is learned through experience. dealing with the public on a daily basis will quickly reveal patterns that are obvious to everyone who isn't blind, deaf or clinically dead.
bourgeois-bohemian progressives are able to cognitive-dissonance themselves away from the realities of race thanks to money being a good shelter from the diversity that they otherwise champion, or in the case of Euros by living in a majority-white country (enjoy it while it lasts lol). but when you can't afford to move away from the diversity and have to live with it daily, racism is the natural outcome.
we were told more diversity would mean less racism, quelle surprise when it turned out to be the other way around
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