Turkey shoots down Russian military jet !

[Exocet]

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-near-syrian-border-and-video-shows-plane-coming-down-a6746206.html

[sqishy]

Mistakes were made by both countries. Turkey had a legal right to shoot down the plane, but perhaps could have put more thought into it, as to what country it may be from, etc (i.e. a strategic consideration). Maybe I am looking at it too leniently.

Russia has now labelled Turkey as 'affiliates of terrorists' or something.

Not good.

[Judean Zealot]

Turkey is a country I just can't figure out. It looks like they're trying to burn all their bridges to both NATO and the Russo-Iranian axis. I just don't get it.

[Stronk Serb]

They stayed inside the airspace for 17 seconds. It happens to our pilots during patrol all the time, yet no one shot down our planes.

Removed racist remark

[Plane And Simple]

Keep the racist remarks out of the VirtualTeen forums guys, thank you.

[Stronk Serb]

I guess the same type of airspace violations happen to Israel because it is a small country. Did anyone shoot you down? I guess Turkey rattled their sabre at the wrong country. I guess they forgot how the Russians crushed them most of the time.

[Judean Zealot]

I guess the same type of airspace violations happen to Israel because it is a small country. Did anyone shoot you down? I guess Turkey rattled their sabre at the wrong country. I guess they forgot how the Russians crushed them most of the time.

No one shoots us down. Occasionally though, we shoot down Syrians or Hezbollah drones.

[Stronk Serb]

No one shoots us down. Occasionally though, we shoot down Syrians or Hezbollah drones.

It happens, but I doubt you shoot down manned aircraft for grazing into your territory during patrol.

[thatcountrykid]

Plus they shot at the ejected pilots which is a violation of the Geneva convention

[Vlerchan]

It looks like they're trying to burn all their bridges to both NATO and the Russo-Iranian axis. I just don't get it.
Russia's entire presence in the region has represented a undermining of fundamental Turkish interests in the conflict. It's predominant target has been the Turkish-backed so-called moderates insofar that it seems to be building it's campaign on disabling these parties to the extent that Damascus becomes to single feasible option for the West.

It's also been bombing the Turkmen inhibiting what I'd pose as an educated guess to be a de facto buffer zone.

Turkish actions would seem to indicate an attempt to disrupt NATO's emerging co-operation with Russia. Of course I have a feeling this is a miscalculation and acts in Russia's preferred direction: For the last while the Russian's have been attempting seed discontent in NATO: it can act - and has: it's engaged in multiple violations of Baltic airspace as of recent - against smaller members with relative impunity so long as larger members remain pre-occupied with ISIL.

[DimkaD]

It was turkish agression against Russia.
http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/news/[email protected]

[Stronk Serb]

It was turkish agression against Russia.
http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/news/[email protected]

I read an article where Belgian astrophysicists explained how if the plane went into Turkey, it couldn't have been there for more than ten seconds and as the Turkish claim, they shot down the plane 5 minutes later, when the plane was definitely over Syria. Also the surviving pilot claims they gave no warning that they were going to shoot. Turkey is in a hell of a ride now. NATO will support them only in case of war but if Putin decides to stop supplying gas to Turkey, they're going to freeze.

[Living For Love]

Yet they still want Turkey to be allowed into the European Union... *sigh*

[Stronk Serb]

Yet they still want Turkey to be allowed into the European Union... *sigh*

Well, they do not really count as European. Not living in Europe and culturally, they have nothing to,do with European culture.

[Jinglebottom]

Just because like 1/20 of Turkey is located in Europe doesn't mean they're technically part of it. They can keep dreaming.

[Vlerchan]

Even Turkish sources seem to indicate that an inadequate amount of time to leave Turkish airspace was offered. However that's all irrelevant being as regardless of the facts the various states involved were going to line up along the same lines.

[...] but if Putin decides to stop supplying gas to Turkey, they're going to freeze.
Best possible outcome. It prompts the Turks to build relations with central-asian gas exporters and Iran [more-so the former in the short-term] and build the infrastructure required to enable this shift - Esp. considering that the Turks are expected to become larger importers in the near future.

This is important insofar as European diversification in the medium-term is concerned.

Yet they still want Turkey to be allowed into the European Union... *sigh*
The West considers the Turks part of Europe insofar as it creates an effective buffer zone against the ME. The EU itself is a project built around post-Christian [Enlightenment] values. Don't expect negotiations to ever reach an actual conclusion.

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One interesting point is the quite recent deal agreed to restart negotiations concerning the Turks position vis-a-vis the EU - which also includes a visa-free zone for citizens and a 3bn. lump sum. This is meant as inventivise for the Turks to maintain the buffer zone arrangement which it's faltered on in recent times.

[phuckphace]

http://i.imgur.com/HKMCMrL.jpg

[xXoblivionXx]

when I first read this title I don't know why I thought it was about an actual turkey shooting someone.... >.< that would have been an interesting story