China declares war on ISIS for executing a Chinese citizen

[Stronk Serb]

President Xi Jinping has promised to fight terrorist activity after deaths of national Fan Jinghui and European Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/china-declares-war-isis-after-6862200

Fuck 'em up. Russia already targeted their oil fields, crippling their income.

[Jinglebottom]

Sometimes I wish someone would just nuke Syria and Iraq to relieve us of those walking abortions already. But then I remember Lebanon (and the whole dang Levant) will probably rot alongside them if that were to happen.

[Exocet]

President Xi Jinping has promised to fight terrorist activity after deaths of national Fan Jinghui and European Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad




http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/china-declares-war-isis-after-6862200

Fuck 'em up. Russia already targeted their oil fields, crippling their income.

Time to pressure the Turks to stop buying their oil and letting their "fighters" entering and leaving Syria freely...
Be sure they will suffer even harder.

[sqishy]

Alright.
With even Anonymous delaring war, it is quite the convergence on them.

[Stronk Serb]

Sometimes I wish someone would just nuke Syria and Iraq to relieve us of those walking abortions already. But then I remember Lebanon (and the whole dang Levant) will probably rot alongside them if that were to happen.

The background radiation would slowly kill you, or make you glow which would make a midnight leak a lot easier.

Time to pressure the Turks to stop buying their oil and letting their "fighters" entering and leaving Syria freely...
Be sure they will suffer even harder.

Remove kebab from premises. Turkey, the land if hypocrites

Alright.
With even Anonymous delaring war, it is quite the convergence on them.

What are the 72 virgins going to do to them? Hack their AKs and Toyota's? The worst that they can do is hack their twitter accounts.

[sqishy]

What are the 72 virgins going to do to them? Hack their AKs and Toyota's? The worst that they can do is hack their twitter accounts.

I have no idea what you just said there :confused:.

[Stronk Serb]

I have no idea what you just said there :confused:.

What are the Anonymous going to do against ISIS...

[StoppingTom]

Thing is, ISIS is already running out of money, and are in danger of spreading themselves too thin. Having basically every world superpower pissed at you probably doesn't help.

[sqishy]

What are the Anonymous going to do against ISIS...

If the group has been able to hack into govt websites, then I do not doubt their capabilities with targeting the 'IT section' of ISIL.
Relatively not much, but it is the statement of war against them, more than what they will actually do in that war.

[Uniquemind]

Anonymous is going after Isis's money trails.

But now that China's involved.....wow. This war is going to be big.

But this could also be in response to the fact that the news has stated a loose alliance between multiple terrorist groups, seem to have joined up or at the very least are flying Isis/isil's flag.

[Thunderstorm]

I can't help but think they are doomed if every country in the world is going to go to war against them. However, they show some pretty massive resistance.

I'm just glad Russia and China are into eliminating them just as much as everyone else.

[sqishy]

Anonymous is going after Isis's money trails.

But now that China's involved.....wow. This war is going to be big.

But this could also be in response to the fact that the news has stated a loose alliance between multiple terrorist groups, seem to have joined up or at the very least are flying Isis/isil's flag.

I have heard of statements that a direct major attack could destroy the organisation within 14 days.
With that, I wonder why that was not done already.
(This suspends some of the viewpoints that need not be relevant in this part.)

[Judean Zealot]

I have heard of statements that a direct major attack could destroy the organisation within 14 days.
With that, I wonder why that was not done already.
(This suspends some of the viewpoints that need not be relevant in this part.)

Because it won't help anything unless followed by a 15 year military occupation, and no country currently combating ISIS has the wherewithal to do so.

[Uniquemind]

The solution is that all the major UN powers should take shifts in controlling that region, under the same drafted rules laws and martial law operated by the UN under strict guidelines that regional stability comes before profit plundering that areas resources.

The latter concept is what companies like to do to regional areas which in truth is partly responsible for the civil unrest and anger towards the west under Isis rouge interpretation of Islam.

[Judean Zealot]

The solution is that all the major UN powers should take shifts in controlling that region, under the same drafted rules laws and martial law operated by the UN under strict guidelines that regional stability comes before profit plundering that areas resources.

The latter concept is what companies like to do to regional areas which in truth is partly responsible for the civil unrest and anger towards the west under Isis rouge interpretation of Islam.


It would fall to shit. Each country would backpedal on it's predecessor's military, intelligence, and governance arrangements. I can't see such an arrangement working unless it is steeped in unnecessary blood

[Uniquemind]

It would fall to shit. Each country would backpedal on it's predecessor's military, intelligence, and governance arrangements. I can't see such an arrangement working unless it is steeped in unnecessary blood

True, I am being optimistic for them to put aside those security risks and focus singularly on the Isis/Isil problem.

[Porpoise101]

The solution is that all the major UN powers should take shifts in controlling that region, under the same drafted rules laws and martial law operated by the UN under strict guidelines that regional stability comes before profit plundering that areas resources.

The latter concept is what companies like to do to regional areas which in truth is partly responsible for the civil unrest and anger towards the west under Isis rouge interpretation of Islam.
How about slice up and nation build like Germany and Korea?

[phuckphace]

Sometimes I wish someone would just nuke Syria and Iraq to relieve us of those walking abortions already. But then I remember Lebanon (and the whole dang Levant) will probably rot alongside them if that were to happen.

yeh can't have fallout landing on our greatest ally

I do wish there was some way to greenglass a country without genociding its civilians because mushroom clouds are p.cool

[Exocet]

For God's sake,if you want to destroy ISIS,destroy first the countries that support them,the gulf countries that support them,Turkey...... We should stop to support so called "moderate opposition",this moderate opposition is already dead since many years ago,we are just funding terrorists,but we call them "moderate" !

I really don't know what was the point of the Iraq war,most of the terrorists of 9/11 were Saudis,why the fck the Us attacked Iraq ? They should have attacked this wahabistan that spread its dirty ideology to Middle East and the world !

[sqishy]

Because it won't help anything unless followed by a 15 year military occupation, and no country currently combating ISIS has the wherewithal to do so.

It gives some help. I was not saying that it will do it all by itself. Surely part of the motivation (at least naively) is to have every bit of help that can be got.

For God's sake,if you want to destroy ISIS,destroy first the countries that support them,the gulf countries that support them,Turkey...... We should stop to support so called "moderate opposition",this moderate opposition is already dead since many years ago,we are just funding terrorists,but we call them "moderate" !

I really don't know what was the point of the Iraq war,most of the terrorists of 9/11 were Saudis,why the fck the Us attacked Iraq ? They should have attacked this wahabistan that spread its dirty ideology to Middle East and the world !

Do we want another war trying to stop another? The middle east will be in more of a mess.

[Judean Zealot]

It gives some help. I was not saying that it will do it all by itself. Surely part of the motivation (at least naively) is to have every bit of help that can be got.

I would say if there's any lesson to be learned from the past hundred years it's that you can't just wreck a country, pull out, and then expect things not to get worse.

[sqishy]

I would say if there's any lesson to be learned from the past hundred years it's that you can't just wreck a country, pull out, and then expect things not to get worse.

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about Anonymous' declaration of war. Leaving the jump aside, I agree with that you say here.

[Judean Zealot]

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about Anonymous' declaration of war. Leaving the jump aside, I agree with that you say here.

Oh, my bad. :P

[sqishy]

Oh, my bad. :P

Not to worry :D .

[Porpoise101]

I really don't know what was the point of the Iraq war,most of the terrorists of 9/11 were Saudis,why the fck the Us attacked Iraq ? They should have attacked this wahabistan that spread its dirty ideology to Middle East and the world !
I kind of agree. Many of the attackers were Egyptian, Arabian, and Pakistani. The place where bin Laden was found was a Pakistani army compound. We should have went to Pakistan and Arabia, but no we have to have our oil.

[Exocet]

Do we want another war trying to stop another? The middle east will be in more of a mess.[/COLOR]

If you want to really fight against ISIS,you have first to destroy the countries that fund them,that support them. Lot of our """"""""""allies"""""" in the Middle East are doing so.
If we want to really fight against ISIS,we have to ally with Russia and Al-Assad (Assad might not be an angel,way from that,but better to see him on power than that rat of al baghdadi),and stop to support so called "moderate opposition",who the US failed to train,who most of them switched sides and joined Al-Nusra with the equipments the US gave them...

According to some reports,the US only trained 4 or 5 "moderate" fighters. It's time to stop this joke.

[Jinglebottom]

According to Bin Laden, the idea of destroying the two World Trade Center towers occurred to him when he witnessed Israel's bombing of high-rise buildings in Southern Lebanon during the 1982 conflict, to "avenge" the Lebanese from the Israeli-American alliance (which then proceeded to besiege and turn Beirut to rubble).

Damn. I can't believe he would do such a disgusting move in our name. We didn't need to be "avenged", and if we did, then it surely shouldn't have been done *this* way! :confused:

[sqishy]

If you want to really fight against ISIS,you have first to destroy the countries that fund them,that support them. Lot of our """"""""""allies"""""" in the Middle East are doing so.
If we want to really fight against ISIS,we have to ally with Russia and Al-Assad (Assad might not be an angel,way from that,but better to see him on power than that rat of al baghdadi),and stop to support so called "moderate opposition",who the US failed to train,who most of them switched sides and joined Al-Nusra with the equipments the US gave them...

According to some reports,the US only trained 4 or 5 "moderate" fighters. It's time to stop this joke.

With that, we can go ahead and destroy the USA too.
Yes, Assad is cruel, but in an orderly fashion, which matters more for the time being.

[Exocet]

With that, we can go ahead and destroy the USA too.
Yes, Assad is cruel, but in an orderly fashion, which matters more for the time being.

You might consider Assad as cruel,but from their PoWs,we are even more cruel. Bush and whatever aren't that clean,so it's funny to call Assad a murderer,or a butcher when we aren't cleaner than him.

http://global3.memecdn.com/have-some-freedom_o_1309661.jpg

[sqishy]

You might consider Assad as cruel,but from their PoWs,we are even more cruel. Bush and whatever aren't that clean,so it's funny to call Assad a murderer,or a butcher when we aren't cleaner than him.

image (http://global3.memecdn.com/have-some-freedom_o_1309661.jpg)

Sounds dystopic enough to be on level with that I see.

[Stronk Serb]

In order to destroy ISIS, you need to support the local militaries to destroy them. In Iraq, the Iranians are helping with boots on the ground and in Syria, Russia is blowing them to bits. Support the Iraqis, Kurds and Syrian government loyalists with arms, advice, training and air support. Also work on deals involving special forces taking out high value targets.

[Vlerchan]

Russia is blowing them to bits.
It wasn't until Paris that Russia made an effort to hurt ISIL.

Here's some maps compiled at the Institute for War.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHIcsSJyahM/ViTkHaCfBvI/AAAAAAAAEkk/lEwV6h45BYU/s1600/Russian%2BAirstrikes%2B18%2BOCT-01.png
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It's been targeting the so-called moderates because eliminating them legitimises Asaad. It's also killed about 300 hundred civilians - bombed mosques and hospitals: and been the impetus for the accelerated radicalisation of a number of former moderate groupings that in the last month have come out under radical labels. I've backed Damascus since I joined VT but the quasi-canonisation of Russia in-face of their strikes is one of the craziest geopolitical trends that has emerged since I started tuning into politics.

[thatcountrykid]

Alright.
With even Anonymous delaring war, it is quite the convergence on them.

Oh no keyboard warriors

[Exocet]

It wasn't until Paris that Russia made an effort to hurt ISIL.

Here's some maps compiled at the Institute for War.

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It's been targeting the so-called moderates because eliminating them legitimises Asaad. It's also killed about 300 hundred civilians - bombed mosques and hospitals: and been the impetus for the accelerated radicalisation of a number of former moderate groupings that in the last month have come out under radical labels. I've backed Damascus since I joined VT but the quasi-canonisation of Russia in-face of their strikes is one of the craziest geopolitical trends that has emerged since I started tuning into politics.

I wonder why US and whatever are crying over Russia bombing so called "moderate freedom fighters". Assad called Putin to help him,the primary mission of the Russian air force is to give air support to the Syrian Arab Army in their operations.
"Ruzzziaaa bombzz hospitalzs end schooolzz looool",as far as a site is used as a military facility it is a legitimate target.

The US also killed hundreds of civilians if you want to know,but it seems that it is more important when Russia does and has more consequences.

[Vlerchan]

I wonder why US and whatever are crying over Russia bombing so called "moderate freedom fighters".
I'm not. I'm making the argument that the claim that Russia's goal is the defeat of ISIL is untrue.

Russia's activities are part of a broader geostrategic initiative. One unreconcialable with European interests at that.

Assad called Putin to help him,the primary mission of the Russian air force is to give air support to the Syrian Arab Army in their operations.
Sure. I've no idea why this is written in response to me.

"Ruzzziaaa bombzz hospitalzs end schooolzz looool",as far as a site is used as a military facility it is a legitimate target.
I don't feel that bombing infrastructure that hosts a predominant amount of unarmed civilians is justified

You'll also need to support the claim that the mosques and hospitals in questions were military facilities.

The US also killed hundreds of civilians if you want to know,but it seems that it is more important when Russia does and has more consequences.
I can link to threads where I criticised this too.

[sqishy]

Oh no keyboard warriors

What can they possibly do - it's not like the internet has no influence in today's world, is it?

Again, from what I say later in the thread from what you quoted, there is no way hackers can take down the organisation. However, there is no way that they cannot affect them. Perhaps they will expect as much danger from them as you do - which only helps.

[Exocet]

I'm not. I'm making the argument that the claim that Russia's goal is the defeat of ISIL is untrue.

Russia's activities are part of a broader geostrategic initiative. One unreconcialable with European interests at that.

It's pretty useless to bomb ISIS as far as nobody clean the area on the ground,the defeat of ISIL will come with the Syrian army offensive on the ground against ISIS,supported by Russian Air Force.



I don't feel that bombing infrastructure that hosts a predominant amount of unarmed civilians is justified

You'll also need to support the claim that the mosques and hospitals in questions were military facilities.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610419/Islamic-State-ISIS-jihadis-hiding-mosques-Putin-Russian-airstrikes-Syria

As far as they are used as military facilities or terrorists hiding in them,it is a legitimate target.
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But everybody has no problems with Israelis and US bombing hospitals and medical facilities ? When Russia allegedly does,it's more cruel ?
What an hypocrite world we live in. (Don't feel targeted.)

[Exocet]

What can they possibly do - it's not like the internet has no influence in today's world, is it?

Again, from what I say later in the thread from what you quoted, there is no way hackers can take down the organisation. However, there is no way that they cannot affect them. Perhaps they will expect as much danger from them as you do - which only helps.

As Stronk Serb pointed out,these keyboards warriors can hack some twitter accounts,but their keyboards won't stop the bullets and ISIS terrorists...

[sqishy]

As Stronk Serb pointed out,these keyboards warriors can hack some twitter accounts,but their keyboards won't stop the bullets and ISIS terrorists...

They can do more I am sure - yes, software does not stop bullets, never said that. I have no more to say on this.

[Vlerchan]

It's pretty useless to bomb ISIS as far as nobody clean the area on the ground,the defeat of ISIL will come with the Syrian army offensive on the ground against ISIS,supported by Russian Air Force.
So long as we can agree that Russia's aren't affecting ISIL as Russia claims.

Bombing ISIL lines of supply and ground lines of communication would be an invaluable resource to the forces fighting ISIL. If I remember correct ISIL seem to be preparing a counter-attack on Homms: Yet Russia seem to be rebalancing elsewhere.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610419/Islamic-State-ISIS-jihadis-hiding-mosques-Putin-Russian-airstrikes-Syria

As far as they are used as military facilities or terrorists hiding in them,it is a legitimate target.
I'm not claiming that ISIL don't hide in mosques. I'm claiming that Russia have bombed hospitals and mosques and there's no indication that these hosted ISIL - Being in rebel territories that's to be expected.

Further bombing hospitals is a designated war crime. However even if we ignored conventional ethics - strange since barbarism is what designated defeating ISIL as a greater preoccupation than Damascus - air-strikes are too blunt a tool considering the sensitive nature of the issue. It's extending the suffering of the people we're intervening to protect - and induces radicalisation.

It's important to note here that we're combating an ideological movement. It's not enough to kill the grunts when our conduct inspires their avengers. It's this sort or short-sightedness that that has enflamed the issue to begin with.

But everybody has no problems with Israelis and US bombing hospitals and medical facilities ? When Russia allegedly does,it's more cruel ?
What an hypocrite world we live in. (Don't feel targeted.)
I'm sure a Zionist or a US patriot would feel the exact opposite. Both Israel and US get torn up in the media.

[Judean Zealot]

I'm sure a Zionist or a US patriot would feel the exact opposite. Both Israel and US get torn up in the media

So true, this.