Do I have reason to be angry?

[Bontigo Papi .]

First it was "Free Palestine" and now its "Pray for Paris" . Everyone notices what happens there, but what about in Africa? We're stuck with poverty. Especially in South Africa, crime is a norm, rape happens everyday, unemployment rates are high, and the citizens of South Africa are too worried about praying for other countries rather than their own.

If something like that happens in SA or another Africa country, would the world pray for us? I think not, and I certainly have reason to be upset.

[Jinglebottom]

I pray for my friend living in SA everyday that she can get out of that hellhole (as she described it, her words) and start a new life somewhere that actually values human life.

And hey, #PrayForBeirut wasn't nearly as widespread as #PrayForParis was, but I'm not bothered. I don't rely on the media's attention, nor its pity.

[Miserabilia]

We should pray for the world,
but western media is biting on to the most 'shocking' and 'new'.
Anything that isn;t new because it's already happening, like so so many problems around the world are overlooked in modern media because people will just look it up online or learn about it somewhere.

It's incredibly unfair but media is usualy focused only on the one new thing that shocks people the most or brings out the most emotions in them (Think 9/11 to paris attacks)

[sqishy]

We should pray for the world,
but western media is biting on to the most 'shocking' and 'new'.
Anything that isn;t new because it's already happening, like so so many problems around the world are overlooked in modern media because people will just look it up online or learn about it somewhere.

It's incredibly unfair but media is usualy focused only on the one new thing that shocks people the most or brings out the most emotions in them (Think 9/11 to paris attacks)

The Paris events are a prime example of the media's bias. I have only heard recently (from someone I know, not on the news) that there was a massacre in a school in Nigeria, where 50 students died. Abolutely no talking about that, or formal speeches dencouncing those events as against humanity.

By definition, we are experiencing huge amounts of propaganda regarding the Paris events. Horrible they were indeed, but propaganda was used (as opposed to the other propaganda which is generally in the background most of the time anyhow).

It's like terrorism has become the main enemy. Wrong on many a manifold of levels.

If a problem is to be properly dealt with, then every event due to / related to that problem should be reported. Every single one.

[I am agreeing with you too yes.]

[Uniquemind]

The unfair balance of media coverage is something that is okay to be upset about.

But we all need to be reminded that it isn't a contest, and that the real struggle is making our societies more civil and kind. What contributes to the violence in foreign countries?


I know there is a lot of indifference, partly because South Africa and other countries should have their law and law enforcement handle their local problems like those crimes (rape, murder, theft, kidnapping)

There is some resentment and exhaustion, from those in the developed world, that they are responsible for what goes on in the backyard of other countries. They get criticized when they try to fix things, they get criticized for taking a backseat to do nothing and watch to see if the unrest burns out with time.

Like you said, it's not that humanity doesn't care, it's that violence has become mundane, media would spend all their time there and cover nothing else. The world would be jaded, the solution has to come within, with men who choose not to rape their fellow countrywomen, and choose love, and positive creativity and education.


But since the invention of the internet, I think you should be comforted that young people are reading what happens in tragedies that the media aren't reporting, and that there exists many who are just as sad for your country as they are for Paris.

The collective question that should bring us together, is what do we do about this problem? Media coverage and who gets it is a distraction based on the emotion of jealousy in some respects, that is true you cannot deny that.

[phuckphace]

maybe because rape and violence in Africa is so common that it's become mundane. Paris brings to mind the Eiffel tower and les chateaux and escargot and other things generally not associated with people dying en masse, which I'd say contributes to the shock factor.

[Sir Suomi]

We can't even handle the Middle-East. Africa is a whole new can of worms I'm afraid I'm not willing to open.

[Bontigo Papi .]

I just hate it that no thought gets put in Africa, if so, little. UNICEF, UNESCO is helping, but its not stoping children from becoming child soldiers.

I can assure you that if you lived in South Africa, you would see what I'm talking about, crime is extremely bad and what does our beloived president Zuma do? He buys a R4 billion jet. All that money could be used to buy food for children, build homes for the homeless. Our president doesn't even care about his own country... And has yet to pay back the money.

Asshole.

[Uniquemind]

I just hate it that no thought gets put in Africa, if so, little. UNICEF, UNESCO is helping, but its not stoping children from becoming child soldiers.

I can assure you that if you lived in South Africa, you would see what I'm talking about, crime is extremely bad and what does our beloived president Zuma do? He buys a R4 billion jet. All that money could be used to buy food for children, build homes for the homeless. Our president doesn't even care about his own country... And has yet to pay back the money.

Asshole.

Well if it's any comfort two girls in my sophomore high school history class did a whole report on the child soldier phenomena problem.

It's not being ignored, it's just the developed world is confused on how to handle the logistics of the problem.

In some respects local governments are refusing aid because of their own corruption or fears of control or trade offs the developed world might ask in return.

The best thing I think is young people can do, is to actually not buy drugs because that money enters the black market from there and ends up funding tons of atrocities, same goes with blood diamonds.


I think for girls, when they date, they shouldn't see a social stigma behind an artificial diamond as their rock in their wedding rings. They should actually want artificially created carbon diamonds, not blood diamonds.

[phuckphace]

got a bad case of Zuma? Recolonization can help! For a low one-time fee, we'll hang your rapists, bulldoze your slums and restore fully functional civilization in 10 years or your money back. Our "Post-Apartheid Rescue Package" now includes brand new schools and busing at no extra cost to you. Contact your local Western embassy for details.

[Jinglebottom]

I just hate it that no thought gets put in Africa, if so, little. UNICEF, UNESCO is helping, but its not stoping children from becoming child soldiers.

I can assure you that if you lived in South Africa, you would see what I'm talking about, crime is extremely bad and what does our beloived president Zuma do? He buys a R4 billion jet. All that money could be used to buy food for children, build homes for the homeless. Our president doesn't even care about his own country... And has yet to pay back the money.

Asshole.
Well, we don't even have a president. It's been this way ever since 2014 when the last one's presidency term ended.

[Stronk Serb]

My uncle was on a work trip to South Africa two times, onice during the Apartheid and again a few years after it. First was ok, no problems. Second, he was driven around everywhere and stayed in a fenced off area because he was white. While it was extremely racist, the Apartheid at least kept order.

[Bontigo Papi .]

My uncle was on a work trip to South Africa two times, onice during the Apartheid and again a few years after it. First was ok, no problems. Second, he was driven around everywhere and stayed in a fenced off area because he was white. While it was extremely racist, the Apartheid at least kept order.

So you actually prefer segregation? That's no reason this country is fucked up. "Oh, apartheid kept order"? Back then when it was apartheid, none of the other nations wanted to offer help. Now when South Africa's in 21 years of democracy, no one wants to help?

[Stronk Serb]

So you actually prefer segregation? That's no reason this country is fucked up. "Oh, apartheid kept order"? Back then when it was apartheid, none of the other nations wanted to offer help. Now when South Africa's in 21 years of democracy, no one wants to help?

Depends. If the neighbors behave like uncivilized primitives, they should be segregated into a prison. If they say hello every time they pass by me and chit chat, I don't care. What my uncle told me is that segregation is still on because the whites are scared for their lives.

[Uniquemind]

So you actually prefer segregation? That's no reason this country is fucked up. "Oh, apartheid kept order"? Back then when it was apartheid, none of the other nations wanted to offer help. Now when South Africa's in 21 years of democracy, no one wants to help?

Well here's a thought experiment.

Say hypothetically we were willing to help.

What kind of help do you specifically expect the developed world to do without adverse effects and the locals surrendering some amount of sovereignty?

What the western world is afraid of is setting off another negative chain of events like they did in Iraq, and also becoming entrenched as the world's police.

[Bontigo Papi .]

Depends. If the neighbors behave like uncivilized primitives, they should be segregated into a prison. If they say hello every time they pass by me and chit chat, I don't care. What my uncle told me is that segregation is still on because the whites are scared for their lives.

Whites are scared ? I haven't seen a single white person in CPT driving with all their windows up, having tinted windows, hell , they have iPhone 6s and they walk in the street just like that, they're not scared. Your uncle might have been in a different province and city.

Well here's a thought experiment.

Say hypothetically we were willing to help.

What kind of help do you specifically expect the developed world to do without adverse effects and the locals surrendering some amount of sovereignty?

What the western world is afraid of is setting off another negative chain of events like they did in Iraq, and also becoming entrenched as the world's police.

I kinda agree with you on that.

[Uniquemind]

Whites are scared ? I haven't seen a single white person in CPT driving with all their windows up, having tinted windows, hell , they have iPhone 6s and they walk in the street just like that, they're not scared. Your uncle might have been in a different province and city.



I kinda agree with you on that.

Oh that's people just not using common sense...it has no bearing on if a percentage of whites fear culture encroachment or reverse racism.

I know of a girl in South Africa who is white and her family was home invaded, tied up, and she was raped in the bathtub. Her attacker have her HIV, she was pure beforehand. She made a youtube video about it, so yeah to an extent whites are scared, especially since they were in the privacy of their own home.

Being insular doesn't make you any less of a potential victim, if you've been targeted your targeted. That's pretty much it, you can minimize your risk but that's all it does for you.

What you gonna do, not use your smartphone in public out of fear? No you gotta keep living.

[Stronk Serb]

Paul.

My uncle was in Durban, Pretoria and Johannesburg. He said all of them are great cities, but he was warned to be careful because blacks are known to rob rich-looking whites.

If I were a Boer, i would absolutely not be scared that my president is singing that he is going to shoot me with a machine gun. the court has ruled that this song intices hate and violence against the Boers, so it was ruled illegal, yet this guy sang it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4NVkRmBTB7k

Well, they are scared and in danger. I guess the only safe place for whites is the town of Orania. Also a lot of white farmers are getting killed. 4000 have died to armed black gangs.

http://www.economist.com/node/12295535

[Judean Zealot]

reverse racism.

You mean racism.

[Bontigo Papi .]

Paul.

My uncle was in Durban, Pretoria and Johannesburg. He said all of them are great cities, but he was warned to be careful because blacks are known to rob rich-looking whites.

If I were a Boer, i would absolutely not be scared that my president is singing that he is going to shoot me with a machine gun. the court has ruled that this song intices hate and violence against the Boers, so it was ruled illegal, yet this guy sang it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4NVkRmBTB7k

Well, they are scared and in danger. I guess the only safe place for whites is the town of Orania. Also a lot of white farmers are getting killed. 4000 have died to armed black gangs.

http://www.economist.com/node/12295535

Blacks are "known" , it doesn't mean that they do, and you're saying they warned your uncle that all blacks are crimanals.

And how can you tell me what happened in my own country? That report was over six years ago. Is that proof of what's happening now?

[Porpoise101]

We can't even handle the Middle-East. Africa is a whole new can of worms I'm afraid I'm not willing to open.
To me most problems in Africa relate to massive corruption and ethnic conflicts. If only there was some way to stop the corruption money would start going to the improvement of the general nation.

[phuckphace]

To me most problems in Africa relate to massive corruption and ethnic conflicts. If only there was some way to stop the corruption money would start going to the improvement of the general nation.

I would say getting colonized by mein reich would be the best way, but in the absence of that happening I say we give each ethnic group their own Lebensraum and stop shipping them literal fucktons of old T-shirts

[Stronk Serb]

Blacks are "known" , it doesn't mean that they do, and you're saying they warned your uncle that all blacks are crimanals.

And how can you tell me what happened in my own country? That report was over six years ago. Is that proof of what's happening now?

Not all, but he was warned. I would still be scared if I was a Boer and a democratically elected president was singing how he was going to kill me with a machine gun.

[Bontigo Papi .]

Not all, but he was warned. I would still be scared if I was a Boer and a democratically elected president was singing how he was going to kill me with a machine gun.

Oh my! Can you really stop right now? Are you so intimidated by words? Actions speak louder than words, have you seen, heard Zuma killing anyone?

Exactly, and I know exactly what your response is gonna be, "he motivated blacks".

That article you posted about that farmer happened back in 2008, and the whole Zuma singing shit happened long after that.

[Stronk Serb]

Oh my! Can you really stop right now? Are you so intimidated by words? Actions speak louder than words, have you seen, heard Zuma killing anyone?

Exactly, and I know exactly what your response is gonna be, "he motivated blacks".

That article you posted about that farmer happened back in 2008, and the whole Zuma singing shit happened long after that.

I am intimidated that a person in power can openly defy the constitution, law, and cause ethnic tensions. You know how Yugoslavia fell apart? Persons in power violated the constitution and used hate speech against other ethnic groups.

[Bontigo Papi .]

I am intimidated that a person in power can openly defy the constitution, law, and cause ethnic tensions. You know how Yugoslavia fell apart? Persons in power violated the constitution and used hate speech against other ethnic groups.

Oh, and what about the apartheid government? They killed many blacks, didn't they? Blacks were the most scared then and had reason, they were segregated, discriminated. What's the whites reason to be scared? Blacks are known to rob them? To kill them? Bullshit.

[Stronk Serb]

Oh, and what about the apartheid government? They killed many blacks, didn't they? Blacks were the most scared then and had reason, they were segregated, discriminated. What's the whites reason to be scared? Blacks are known to rob them? To kill them? Bullshit.

The apartheid was the same shit, different flavour. I would be intimidated that any person in power got voted into office even if he incited ethnic tensions.

[Uniquemind]

You mean racism.

I was speaking in the vernacular but yes same thing.

[Bontigo Papi .]

The apartheid was the same shit, different flavour. I would be intimidated that any person in power got voted into office even if he incited ethnic tensions.

I don't need to argue anymore, I stand by what I said.

[Capto]

I would say getting colonized by mein reich would be the best way, but in the absence of that happening I say we give each ethnic group their own Lebensraum and stop shipping them literal fucktons of old T-shirts

"each ethnic group"

kreeeeeeeee theres way too many of them to remember fuck all

[phuckphace]

"each ethnic group"

kreeeeeeeee theres way too many of them to remember fuck all

good point senpai. I guess that explains why Africa is in "permanent Rwanda"

[Sir Suomi]

good point senpai. I guess that explains why Africa is in "permanent Rwanda"

Dammit Phuck just admit it: You want to start your very own Fourth Reich.

[phuckphace]

Dammit Phuck just admit it: You want to start your very own Fourth Reich.

ja, natürlich

[phuckphace]

Africa, ein Volk/ein Reich edition:

http://i.imgur.com/Qt6W8D4.jpg

it's pretty!

[Dalton_Holt]

There was a terrorist bombing in Beirut, Lebanon the day before the Paris attack in which 43 were killed. In January there was a massive terrorist attack in Nigeria where 2,000 civilians were killed by Boku Haram. That's just to name two of the countless terrorist attacks the mainstream media never covered.

[Vlerchan]

That's just to name two of the countless terrorist attacks the mainstream media never covered.
Lebanon

Beirut attacks: Suicide bombers kill dozens in Shia suburb

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34795797

Beirut: At Least 43 Killed In IS Bomb Attacks

http://news.sky.com/story/1586551/beirut-at-least-43-killed-in-is-bomb-attacks

Isis claims responsibility as suicide bombers kill dozens in Beirut

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/12/beirut-bombings-kill-at-least-20-lebanon

Isil claims responsibility in deadliest attack in Beirut since end of civil war kills dozens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/lebanon/11992262/Isil-suspected-in-deadliest-attack-in-Beirut-since-end-of-civil-war-kills-dozens.html

Lebanon mourns 44 killed in Beirut bombings

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3316577/Lebanon-mourns-41-killed-bomb-attack-Hezbollah-bastion.html

Nigeria

Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria's Baga town hit by new assault

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30728158

Boko Haram Militants 'Kill Hundreds' In Nigeria

http://news.sky.com/story/1276019/boko-haram-militants-kill-hundreds-in-nigeria

Boko Haram's 'deadliest massacre': 2,000 feared dead in Nigeria

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria

Hundreds killed in 'massive' Boko Haram attack in northern Nigeria

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10878074/Hundreds-killed-in-massive-Boko-Haram-attack-in-northern-Nigeria.html

The horrific aftermath of Boko Haram massacre on Nigerian villages: Before and after satellite images lay bare destruction caused by militants in attack that killed 2,500 people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2910580/The-horrific-aftermath-Boko-Haram-attack-Nigerian-villages-satellite-images-reveal-destruction-caused-militants-attack-killed-2-500-people.html

Without a doubt the attacks in Paris got more coverage. But that's because it struck in an area more relatable to the readers that Western news-sites sell to.

I would say getting colonized by mein reich would be the best way, but in the absence of that happening I say we give each ethnic group their own Lebensraum and stop shipping them literal fucktons of old T-shirts
Last time this happened European countries set up institutions designed to extract as much wealth as possible from the region whilst offering the smallest return. This resulted in unrectifiable damage to their socioeconomic development.

I don't think I'd be so eager to trust you.

[Jinglebottom]

There was a terrorist bombing in Beirut, Lebanon the day before the Paris attack in which 43 were killed. In January there was a massive terrorist attack in Nigeria where 2,000 civilians were killed by Boku Haram. That's just to name two of the countless terrorist attacks the mainstream media never covered.
We don't need the West's pity! If they want to cover it, good for them. If they don't, then alright. What difference is it going to make?

[Vlerchan]

What difference is it going to make?
You'll get mentioned at mass on the following Sunday, maybe.

[Dalton_Holt]

We don't need the West's pity! If they want to cover it, good for them. If they don't, then alright. What difference is it going to make?

Well I don't see it as fair when the mainstream media goes crazy when a Western country is attacked, giving 24/7 coverage, when there are terrorist attacks happening all the time everywhere else. The Paris attack was nothing special, with 127 deaths. After all 2,000 were killed in the Nigeria attack, how can you even compare that? Yet Nigeria didn't get a second of TV coverage.

[Judean Zealot]

Well I don't see it as fair when the mainstream media goes crazy when a Western country is attacked, giving 24/7 coverage, when there are terrorist attacks happening all the time everywhere else. The Paris attack was nothing special, with 127 deaths. After all 2,000 were killed in the Nigeria attack, how can you even compare that? Yet Nigeria didn't get a second of TV coverage.

How much does another attack in a war wracked region affect westerners? Oh, right, not at all.

How much does an attack in a city that for centuries has been the center of western culture affect the west? That's right, significantly more.

[phuckphace]

Last time this happened European countries set up institutions designed to extract as much wealth as possible from the region whilst offering the smallest return. This resulted in unrectifiable damage to their socioeconomic development.

I don't think I'd be so eager to trust you.

fair enough. I'd like to think I'd be more of an Ian Smith than a Leopold II, at least.

Well I don't see it as fair when the mainstream media goes crazy when a Western country is attacked, giving 24/7 coverage, when there are terrorist attacks happening all the time everywhere else. The Paris attack was nothing special, with 127 deaths. After all 2,000 were killed in the Nigeria attack, how can you even compare that? Yet Nigeria didn't get a second of TV coverage.

There was a terrorist bombing in Beirut, Lebanon the day before the Paris attack in which 43 were killed. In January there was a massive terrorist attack in Nigeria where 2,000 civilians were killed by Boku Haram. That's just to name two of the countless terrorist attacks the mainstream media never covered.

I already made the point earlier in this thread that violence in Africa and the Middle East is so common that it's become mundane. a typical day in Africa begins with catching HIV and ends with a burning tire necklace. #anarchy

it's also the favorite pasttime of many Westerners to wring their hands over Africa on the Internet as though it's going to make a lick of difference.

[Jinglebottom]

Well I don't see it as fair when the mainstream media goes crazy when a Western country is attacked, giving 24/7 coverage, when there are terrorist attacks happening all the time everywhere else. The Paris attack was nothing special, with 127 deaths. After all 2,000 were killed in the Nigeria attack, how can you even compare that? Yet Nigeria didn't get a second of TV coverage.
Maybe because Parisians aren't used to being attacked that way. We've been through it all: Beirut is destroyed by the civil war; we rebuilt it, it's destroyed again by Israel; we rebuilt it again, it's destroyed AGAIN by ISIS, and guess what? We're going to rebuild it AGAIN. Wash, rinse, repeat. Same old, same old.

We've been occupied by two countries for decades, went through a 15 year civil war which turned us from the Paris of the Middle East to the fake state of Palestine (fuck them)'s terrorist training ground, besieged in 1982, flattened, razed, demolished, wrecked by a war against Israel that Hezbollah intentionally provoked in 2006, ruined, blown to bits, defeated, mercilessly murdered and massacred.

Burj al-Brajneh (and the whole Southern Beirut area) is a fucking Hezbollah-ridden shit hole and anyone who lives there should be aware of the consequences that come alongside living in a zone that's considered a stronghold for an organisation hated by Israel, Saudi Arabia, the U.S.A, ISIS and the entire generation of Sunni Muslims. Does that excuse all the deaths due to the bombings? No, but crimes like this are to be expected, when you live in a high-risk area.

How often do suicide-bombings happen in Paris? 0 per year (pre-2015)? Wanna know how often they happen in Beirut? It used to be around twice a month, but now it's decreased to around 4 per year.

FUCK the mainstream media. Let them broadcast Paris all they want. We don't share their fear of terrorism and bombs. No one (spare the families of the victims) gives a flying fuck anymore. No one. I've seen bombs go off in front of me, glass being shattered, seeing smoke rise from places I used to frequent (all in the span of two months, summer 2006) so I'm not actually scared in the slightest. Worse things have happened. The Parisians aren't used to atrocities of this kind. Again, same old, same old.

Honestly, if another bomb went off in Beirut, would you be surprised? In Baghdad? In Gaza? In Damascus? In Southern Lebanon? Would you? Of course not! No one would. Whenever you think "Middle East", the words "war", "blood" and "terrorists" all come to mind. And there is a reason for that.

You can't compare Lebanon to France. Two different countries, in two completely different regions.

[phuckphace]

reminder: "ugh, government"

all anarchists are clueless teenagers who live in relative safety with their parents in policed Western countries. the fucking irony. ask every one of them and they'll say the cops are all objectively evil. a taste of actual anarchy would have them tucking their tails and running in a hurry. :lol3:

[Dalton_Holt]

I'll take a taste of anarchy. Where do I go? Oh wait, all there is is Slab City and unclaimed Afghanistan. Doesn't really count when both are surrounded by government and the latter being surrounded by war as well. Anarchy has never been tested, Slab City being the closest to an anarchist society today, and yet is technically under the control of the California government.

[Judean Zealot]

I'll take a taste of anarchy. Where do I go? Oh wait, all there is is Slab City and unclaimed Afghanistan. Doesn't really count when both are surrounded by government and the latter being surrounded by war as well. Anarchy has never been tested, Slab City being the closest to an anarchist society today, and yet is technically under the control of the California government.

Anarchy doesn't exist anywhere, for the simple reason that in the event of a power vacuum, power is always seized by mavericks (think Juarez and the drug cartels). The only way to prevent such seizure is by centralisation of power, and then you've got a government. (:D)